Atrios on the pain of covering “wankers”:
. . . The ESCHATON DECADE has been a pretty fucked up decade, a time when this country stopped even bothering to pretend to live up to many of its supposed ideals. We go to war and kill lots of people for no good reason, elites have eliminated any accountability for themselves for criminal wrongdoing, we’ve tortured and assassinated people, and the response to massive economic suffering and related criminal fraud has been to give lots of free money to the people who caused it all.
And one premise of his blog is that all of this shit happens, in part, because of the fucking wankers who rule our public discourse. Paying too much attention to it every day can be bad enough sometimes, but reliving it all again is actually a bit painful.
Amen. He is hardly alone.
As FDL’s David Dayen wrote yesterday, we face seven months of what promises to be a thoroughly dreadful election season. Many (likely a minority) of us believe neither of the two major parties nor their likely Presidential nominees offers the country even a realistic assessment of the challenges the nation faces, let alone workable solutions or a feasible political strategy for solving them.
That means that on most fronts — those not on some benign auto-pilot — things are likely to get worse for millions of people, their communities, and their environment. The only certainty is that the election will not improve matters, no matter who wins. I personally believe letting the crazies grow stronger could make matters inhumanely worse, but I don’t see a pathway for making them better, given the choices before us.
The American people may already have internalized this one-way ratcheting. That may explain why, when matched against one of the most dishonest, disliked, and unworthy opponents the Republicans could have chosen, Mr. Obama has barely kept ahead of Mr. Romney in the polls. Indeed, much of his current lead is driven not by Mr. Obama’s accomplishments or his still missing vision for the future, but by women who can recognize the threat the radical Republican right poses for their rights and interests. Their fight is our fight, but they’re fighting just to stay even.
The bottom line is that the nation faces an election between two men whom Atrios might credibly choose as “wankers of the decade.” And when the election is over, we will still have every problem we face now, some worse from the neglect and more difficult to solve from lost opportunity, with the election “winner” having laid no foundation for solving any of them, let alone a mandate.
As a friend frequently reminds me, there are many challenges facing the country that are obscured by the usual right versus left framework. There are problems whose solutions should, in theory, create unexpected coalitions that transcend or obliterate the conservative/liberal framework. Confronting the crime wave in the banking/financial/monopoly sectors that are looting the 99%, eliminating corrupt tax shelters and inequities protected by elites, or demanding corporations internalize the harmful health/safety costs their exploitation imposes on everyone regardless of ideology . . . these are possible examples for a broader framing.
But no matter what the framing, it’s clear that the range of accepted political discourse in America is narrowly constrained by much of the media, by corrupt elites of both parties, and by the narrowing insecurities of the two men now presenting themselves as the only choices. Both men claim to be “evolving,” but there is little evidence their highly restricted views are improving, let alone adequate to the task.
So we’re left with a highly constrained discourse, while many of the plausible solutions lie outside that restricted range. And you have to wonder, is this the best America can do?




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Scarecrow, in case you missed this -or I missed someone else posting about it-: The Leaderless Revolution: How Ordinary People Will Take Power and Change Politics in the 21st century.
“It’s about disillusionment. A fundamental disillusionment with the nature of government. That government whether autocratic or, indeed, democratic is not working, is not solving some problems that are fundamental, that are really very concerning. Whether it’s inequality, environmental protection, or indeed, economic volatility. Those three things are real problems, functions of the globalized world. And they’re not being sorted out by the current structure.”
And it’s happening ALL over the world.
Thanks for the link. Yes, this seems to be happening, particularly at the local level, where problems still seem tractable.
What we have now are lawyers and technocrats with little or no experience and knowledge outside of their areas of study. Completely bereft or imagination and creativity. Lacking soul or feeling.
The product of a Helicopter parenting and specializing. And we have generations of this. These are the people who are running for and running the country these days.
From my local level: “(councilperson) countered that the proposal reflects more than two years of community input.
“You’re not hearing what you want out of the community-addressing the mayor’s objections to the general development plan-, so you think the community hasn’t provided input,” (councilperson) said, adding that a task force of residents spent more than a year holding public meetings on the general plan revisions and decided to respect Prop. S.”
The mayor is a Republican who hangs his hat on ‘illegal immigration’ and being against ‘prevailing wage’ -read unions- construction projects and electoral districts.
Very thoughtful. Thanks.
We’re in a pickle all right.
For the first time in decades, I can’t take this election year seriously. We’re on an express bus to dystopia, and what happens in November will only determine how fast and how recklessly the driver takes us there.
Duncan has always had a wonderful way with words and these are spot on as usual.
Ugh. I listened to why evangelicals will support Romney, and all the pro-life and how religion will/won’t matter. Ugh ugh ugh.
Really? Today, April 12, 2012, I am not worried about abortion law. Truly. I want rule of law back. Thought I was going to get some. Guess not.
I always read Atrios and respect his view. But writing that “all of this shit happens, in part, because of the fucking wankers who rule our public discourse …” and then naming (so far) Megan McArdle, Richard Cohen, Diane Sawyer, Jonah Goldberg, Lord Saletan, and Mark Halperin leaves me cold.
None of these folks “rule our public discourse.” Hardly anyone knows who the fuck these people are.
The prime author of all of the bullshit that he identifies in the quote above — “go to war and kill lots of people for no good reason, elites have eliminated any accountability for themselves for criminal wrongdoing, we’ve tortured and assassinated people, and the response to massive economic suffering and related criminal fraud has been to give lots of free money to the people who caused it all” — is the asshole in the WH.
He’s wanker #1.
The wankers that are getting a pass are the 535 in the Congress and the several thousand in state legislatures.
Focusing on the Presidential race for a generation has obscured the enablers.
Large contributors and ALEC know where the action is. Everyone else is watching the shiny object of America’s attempt at royalty.
I do not generally read Atrios of Kos because they are both “Dems can do no wrong” types.
It’s not all bad, I hear Europe did quite well after Roman civilization collapsed. Well ok the Dark Ages weren’t so hot but other than that it was probably a pretty good time.
Atrios is right that watching this stuff every day is depressing, but it’s worse to pull your head up and stare at the outcomes. Unfortunately, too many people won’t look up, and the miserable campaign won’t get anywhere near the coming destruction of social programs.
The rich demanded that the government pay for their losses and ignore their fraud, and both parties cravenly acquiesced. That drove the debt to levels that will enable the oligarchy to insist that the safety net be torn up, and that Social Security and Medicare be dismantled. and it clarified for the likes of Jamie Dimon that his belligerence pays off.
The rich refused to pay taxes, and both parties cravenly acquiesced.
What is it that we could do that would make a difference in the near term?
Uh, that’s about as far from Atrios view as possible.
Well then I guess he has changed his opinion. I have not read him in a long while.
“Is this the best American can do?”
Well Scarecrow, if you mean the ruling class, then the answer is yes … and, as you suggest … things will simply get worse.
If you mean thoughtful and intelligent people, that is SOME of the rest of “us” … then we don’t really know, do we?
As we have not yet begun to “fight”.
One way in which to meet the challenge of a restricted conversation, is to begin to have our own conversation, to actively seek genuine solutions to the problems which WE know that “we” all face.
Questions?
Of course.
How?
Who?
By what means?
Let us first ask: What “alternatives” do we have to the current situation?
Do we merely or simply accept things as they are?
NONE of us would be “here” is we had thrown up our hands and accepted what is.
We are told, for example that it is useless to consider what other candidates for the office of the Presidency might have to say because, we are told, the Electoral College will NOT ALLOW any votes to “count” if they are not “for” either of the legacy parties …
Perhaps “winning” is not simply about taking the White House, but about broadening the conversation … by whatever means we may make use of, that later we might have a foundation upon which to built other ideas?
Do we meekly accept that “nothing” can be done … immediately, or do we try to set up the opportunity of being able to break the enforced silence and deadlock … eventually?
The situation we face today have been in the making for far longer than the decade of Eschaton … by more than a factor of four, I would say by seven …
I suggest that everyone of us, here, has been preparing for what we are NOW facing … for all of our lives, either knowingly or unintentionally, but preparing nonetheless …
I make no pretense that what we face will be easy.
It may even be, in fact it will likely be, a very long time in coming.
Each of us, individually and alone, must decide WHEN we shall begin to DO something about “it”.
Having made THAT decision, then we seek others with whom to work …
Anybody ready to begin?
DW
Meh, speaking as a feminist I expect absolutely NOTHING from this administration. And unlike many I won’t be voting for someone who I can expect nothing from.
Third party all the way. The only way you get accountability back is to let go of a candidate that offers you nothing more than slightly less evil or crazy than the other guy.
The list of wankers should include:
Every host and on-staff political consultant/analyst on MSNBC.
Every host and on-staff political consultant/analyst on CNN.
Everyone, including the weather girl, on any Fox outlet.
The co-opt “centrist”zombies on National Puke Rdio.
All the anchors, hosts, and reporters for ABC, CBS, and NBC.
Anyone who writes for the NYT (except PK) or Pravda-on-the-Potomax.
Any elected official of either major party.
Have I left anybody out?
Oh, yeah, the pretend progressives on the radio like Stephanie, Randi, etc.
…“go to war and kill lots of people for no good reason, elites have eliminated any accountability for themselves for criminal wrongdoing, we’ve tortured and assassinated people, and the response to massive economic suffering and related criminal fraud has been to give lots of free money to the people who caused it all” — is the asshole in the WH.
He’s wanker #1.
*heh* Clap louder, econobuzz, I can’t hear you…! ;-)
What is it that we could do that would make a difference in the near term?
*heh* Occupy maybe, masaccio…? ;-)
I know I’m making my voice heard…! *g*
Sadly, at the present it is the best America can do. The accepted discourse is right of center to extreme right. If only their were actually 81 communists in Congress! It might be necessary for suffering on a biblical scale to occur before a sleep walking public finally realize they’ve been played for rubes and dupes.
Emptywheel was musing along those very lines, after a fashion, today, econobuzz …
http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/04/12/episode-three-of-who-rules-your-world-begins-the-leak-retribution-event/
DW
These elites contribute to the suffering of the people by serving the interests of a corrupt elite. They make the life of the ordinary citizen miserable. Maybe it’s time their lives be made miserable.
Ah, CTut, we must Occupy every moment as if it were our own time.
We must Occupy our space as if it were our own world.
“Our” own, collective, world and time … which we occupy but briefly … therefore we may as well behave as if we belong “here” … in this time and place.
;~DW
Afflict the ‘comfortable’ and comfort the ‘afflicted’ has always been my motto, DW…! ;-)
That may explain why, when matched against one of the most dishonest, disliked, and unworthy opponents the Republicans could have chosen, Mr. Obama has barely kept ahead of Mr. Romney in the polls.
That’s ridiculous. There is no one in the Republican party who’d be a better nominee (in terms of positions or ability). Romney’s problem with his party is he’s too moderate. So he just spent the last year pulling the wool over on the rubes to secure the nomination. Now that he can afford to be honest, he will very likely turn out to be a worthy opponent.
Interesting to note the meme of social welfare emerging as an overwrite for zombie cries of ‘socialism’ (as a dogwhistle for vampire squid welfare).
Combining the bests of ActBlue, Occupy and Harriet Tubman’s underground railroad, why don’t people of good conscience in all sectors begin to proactively pre-empt the dismantling of the social safety net?
Certainly good people of all stripes are sitting in their respective cubicles (and corner offices), wanting to disembark from their respective Titanic corporations which are now full steam ahead for the sake of displaying monolithic power and making headlines.
Where’s the clarion call for the common defense, general welfare as connected to a collective right to self-determination? For a healthy economy of, by and for the people, to create competitive niches, albeit without the stunning profit margins?
I’m speaking of people of conscience in insurance, medical, social and construction industries, among others. What would happen if alternative insurers organized nationwide, to offer single-payer type pooling of resources? What if there were lawyers of conscience ready to draw up papers to establish such entities and defend their existence? What if they connected with doctors, nurses and physician assistants of conscience who would gladly set up practices and open their doors to the underserved? Or to build on an already existing infrastructure of community clinics, by empowering them further? What about security firms prepared to make safe such endeavors? As an example, already stories are popping up that construction and energy partnerships are bringing sustainable solutions to those who want more independence from the grid. All of the above can, and should, be done.
While we are spot on to identify our predicament at the workings of a bought republic, we must agree with Einstein’s position that we cannot solve the problems using the pathways in which they were created. We still have the right of self-determination, the power of the 14th Amendment to equal protection and economic due process. We cannot wait for our representatives to suddenly decide to act their conscience. There’s nothing wrong with a little healthy competition and we have to be willing to assert these rights through civil disobedience to the status quo. Just as underminers of democracy have gone about retroactively enacting law by doing first and asking permission later, so must we take the same steps of providing proof, a priori, that what we seek legislatively is not only possible, it is already underway. Usurp their means of control. Because doing so is not just legal (because they are operating through vagaries and loopholes, not the letter of the law, and muchless the spirit of the Rule of Law), it is the right thing to do.
And as to the edge given the current administration by the cohort of women voters, double the ante: Our vote, our bodies, our lives, our choices. They have seven months to get behind what we as progressive initiate. Why? Because the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Bill of Rights say so. And it’s worldwide.
Worthy in what sense?
*wow* Ex-CIA agent, Phil Giraldi really spells it out today… The Babylonian Captivity of Washington…
Very nicely said, zenmouser. And, truly so …
DW
I’m reading Tom Holland’s The Forge of Christendom which deals with western Europe from the fall of Rome onward and focuses particularly on the effects of the millenium on society and the development of the various peoples which became countries. What has fascinated me in a horrifying way as I’ve read this are the parallels I see between those days and now. For example, I’m currently reading about the massive change in society brought about by the building of castles all over. Suddenly peasants who had been free and some of whom were even modestly well off were ruthlessly and deliberately stripped of all material goods so that they could be made dependent upon year-round working in the fields for minimal survival. Where before they could hunt in the woods common to the area, making life somewhat easier for them, those were forbidden by the various self-appointed castellans. Where before these people had lived here and there, they were now rounded up and forced to live in close proximity and squalor in villages. I’m not doing justice to the imagery and detail of Mr. Holland’s writing here and I highly recommend the book. But I see so many parallels to the present where those with wealth make rules rigged for their own benefit with the intent of stripping all possible wealth away from the lower classes for their own use and, at the same time, making those people vulnerable and dependent upon them for the barest subsistence. Our castles are, perhaps, corporations. Before, those peasants would mete out their own justice as a group; once the wealthy thugs were making the rules, there was no justice. And why did they put up with this terrible erosion of their rights and way of life? The author says it was the fear of anarchy that was greater than the misery of their new reality. As horrible and unjust as the new laws were, the people feared a lack of them all the more. I wondered about that as we seem to be blithely letting those in power take away all of our rights, down to the 4th amendment. In our case it’s the fear of “terrorists” rather than anarchy that is the rationale for why our situation is worth putting up with.
It’s depressing. A thousand years ago, many were hoping for the end of the world even as they dreaded it simply because of the state of things. And from my own vantage point, it seems like we’re in a steep decline which could evoke those same ambivalent feelings as we move forward. Of course, we have the added challenge of AGW that they didn’t have, too. Our situation could end up being worse.
Excellent read CTuttle. And don’t think Russia would stand by and not have something to say and do.
“So we’re left with a highly constrained discourse, while many of the plausible solutions lie outside that restricted range”
Actually, we’re an impotent minority being slowly drowned in a sea of corporate malfeasance and greed. Any semblance of honor is crushed at the door. We’re left with play acting an inferior representation of an actual democracy. Mr Romney? Mr. Obama? A mad rush to the bottom? Or a stealthy slide? Doesn’t make a lot of difference does it?
It’ll be a competition on who can best lie to their constituencies about things. And Romney will be totally worthy.
Most everyone focuses on Members of Congress but what they overlook are the staff who work on Capitol Hill. The staff run the everything and they are easily manipulated by the lobbyists. Jack Abramoff spoke about this in his book. We are focusing on the wrong areas and that will only prevent fixing this serious mess.
Its the unelected that are a good part of the problem.
Spot on.
I realize that my entire attitude toward the future has changed.Does anyone else have this? I feel there is no hope for returning to a time where 8 or 9% (really 19 -22 percent) was a time for “things to be done”
instead they point to, “Those Chinese don’t complain.”
Part of it is because of getting older, but the other part is how the destruction of the economy, with no punishment and no change, shows me that “market forces” have trumped all. You can buy the laws you want and capture any oversight that exists. Money funds the belief tanks, and there is no push back. The Media are scared into he said she said on the MSM and there is a anachronistic
My use of the corporate brand to get them to pull away from right wing radio will work as long as the corporations still say they care about their brand.The legislators stopped carrying about the voters and carried more about keeping the money from big donors happy,(because they need money for TV ads!) Will the TV networks push for campaign finance ads? Of course not. They make bank on that crap.
I”m so fraking depressed about the future I better stop writing. I’m going to go and eat dinner before I write anymore sad stuff.
Verra interesting, CTut, I thank you for that link.
DW
You are SOOOO right! Did you know that it was Newt that got rid of the funding of the independent staff that analyzed bills for congress? That gave more power to the lobbyists. The right then developed right wing think tanks to feed to staff. There is no left wing group helping out progressive members in congress. There is nobody who can give Democrats info to tell the lobbyist to go pound sand because they are lying.
Very good observation. Congress critters do little (if any) of their own work. They delegate it to their staff. Interns and so on. So who keeps and eye on them ? How do we know they are not being summarily bought off by lobbyists and such ?
bingo!
Spocko just answered my question, I believe.
The entirety of the political class, which includes the media and the unelected “minions”, is fully complicit in the pillage … and enjoys the ill-gained plunder, haoleboy, and each member of that class deserve full and public credit.
DW
Over the years I have worked on issues that took me to Capitol Hill. As Members retire or loose re-election, the staff get new jobs with another Member because they know the way DC (really) works. The eventual goal of many of these mostly young people is to become a well paid lobbyist. And once they do they have a contact list that gets them in the Members office you and I are supposed to equally share but money talks.
I think many of us are at a ‘critical mass’ moment, having worked all of the usual recognized paths to change and getting nowhere.
Usually when I surf the web or blog, I have cable television on in the background (usually CSpan or one of the cable news channels), but lately I’m finding myself leaving the TV on to the premium movie channels. I just can’t bear to watch the ‘real’ blather coming out of our media. And one movie that’s been playing repeatedly is Fair Game, the Valerie Plame story. What keeps nagging at me is, “How come, even in this movie, what keeps getting lost is that there were (at least) 2 others sent on fact-finding missions to Niger and Joe Wilson wasn’t the only one saying that it was all a lie?”
Where are all of the whistleblowers?
Not just on Iraq and the “War on Terror”, but throughout government?
We used to have media personalities, journalists, who risked incarceration to get whistleblower stories out. Now, it’s Judy Miller protecting Scooter Libby and Sean Hannity protecting George Zimmerman.
It seems clear that Obama does not have a vision, a way forward. All this guy seems capable of doing is reaching a “bi partisan compromise”. And that will entail the break up and down sizing of the New Deal and Great Society safety nets, all in the name of “tightening our belts”, so we can afford whatever is left.
Romney will tack to the left, and he will likely be very sucessful at it. The question for him is whether, whatever he says, you can believe. But whatever it is will not likely be much better than Obama’s spending cuts.
What a disaster for all of us. No matter who wins, we are fucked. Both these guys are free market, neo liberals in pursuit of austerity as the way to the promised land – - a little like the eurozone. The IMF should be their consultants, and Hayek would be pleased.
It is indeed a troubling time and until the plutocrats are taken out of the equation this neo liberal shit will continue.
Whistleblowers are not protected by this government. See Kevin’s post.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/04/11/the-fbis-effort-to-keep-a-whistleblowers-book-from-being-published/
Ever since video cams and instant news (just add pundits and stir), news has not been news but just another form of entertainment to delight, amaze and mollify the masses into buy what ever they are currently selling.
Beo, he still can’t afford to be honest, because he can’t have “the rubes” sit home. And since when is systematic dishonesty a qualification for the presidency? Both of these guys are lying S of Ss, of course. But this doesn’t make one or both of them “worthy” opponents. Both are unworthy to be President of the US. We need someone else, very badly. Yeah, yeah, I know. We’re not going to get that!
What we are getting are those who are willing to actually run. But worse yet, when was the last time you were aware of anyone who would quality as a statesman ? Even in local or state politics.
I know, I understand that, but I’m talking about heroics. Even Judy Miller bit a bullet, went to jail. For Scooter Libby???
And even at Wikileaks – Whatever happened to all of those B of A records that were to be put online “imminently” last year?
The lack of whistleblower protections doesn’t explain this, this ‘silence’.
This is the age of Citizens United. It takes money to run for office. It doesn’t matter if you are bereft of any morality or vision. It doesn’t matter if you have little or no knowledge of how the economy works. You just need money and say something patriotic or swear to kill all those damned terrorists. And keep us safe. Yeah safe.
I suspect beo meant worthy more as formidable, not virtuous, but I agree Mitt faces a dilemma of his own making.
Enjoyed your first Galbraith piece. Still catching up. We had a fine Salon, I thought.
Mouth pieces and sock puppets for the moneyed interests.
Uh huh. Lets just get some decentralized organizations to employ thirty million people? Right.
I don’t mean to minimize anyone’s courage wrt to going to jail, but my sense at the time was that her event was more about reporter protecting sources, and the entire media was behind her in principle. Now the Admin is going after the sources and it’s not just temp jail time they face. It’s not just one judge, it’s the whole government, backed by a court system that has folded on security issues, so who can protect you? It just seems more threatening today, but perhaps it’s always been there . . . ?
No, no, no. Judy judy judy is a villain, a co-conspirator to create false pretenses for War. The time wasted with her pretennnding to be a martyr just delayed and obstructed. RatFucker Patrick Fitzgerald let Scooter “walk”, Not a wjhistleblower, not for Scooter, but Judy was making war not peace to justify her false propaganda.
But we all can be whistleblowers and lamplighters in our own ways. The US Government has been hijacked by the billionaires who make their money from wars and rumors of wars.
Aloha, haoleboy, from another ha’ole…! ;-)
Merrie Monarch is rawking Hilo town now…!
Yes, it’s all about the money you know.
My Boilerplate Response
As a staunch Democrat, I find that all this disaffection with Democrats, is understandable, and understandable from the standpoint that the former Democrats “bailed out” when the time got rough and remained when the time got good. As such, there is much to be accomplished to “re-improve” the Democratic brand and the attendant politics, but in doing so, requires that I express my peevishness in the following manner.
To date, I am advocate for a Progressive Caucus in the Senate, and further, I can find no support, in the political blogs or among the punditry and where such behavior advances the establishment of a Progressive Caucus in the Senate. Hell, I have yet to hear of “anyone” contacting their respective Senators, challenging each Elected Official to declare himself or herself to be a “progressive” let alone having the cojones or tenates for the missionary position required to become the first Progressive in the Senate and for establishing this Progressive Caucus, that would eventually prove beneficial to all of us.
Therefore, I encourage you and should you disagree with me, feel free to run off and over to a Third Party and done in order to assuage your irresponsible behavior for having bailed out on the “good fight” that will take the next 40 years or the required hard work to “re-improve” the Democratic brand.
In the meantime, quietly remember that as we, and in particular, this Chicano, the vast bulk of America’s “racial and ethnics” recognized that you were no where to be found for the hard work and self-discipline necessary to engage and eventually win this “good fight.”
As such, this “good fight” is not about Obama, Pelosi or Reid, but about each of one of us and our attendant aspirations.
Jaango–Prince of the Sonoran Desert :-)
George Soros said we’d get the same economic policies and results from Mittens or OhBummer. Pretty much inadequate even for billionaires to find good news in the message of either party. Great news for the 99%, eh? And with the crushing of alternative voices to posit real choices we get the worst candidates at precisely the wrong time. I’m glad I’m becoming comfortably numb in 2012. Everybody will know this is nowhere in due time. We have become Mexico and it only took a generation. Amazing!
Unless we have publicly financed elections aimed at economic nationalism nothing will change and nothing will be saved .Supporting OWS is the best a-to b vehicle to pursue this ambition .We don’t need to re-invent the wheel, ,just take a Nader vision and tweak it as necessary.Citizens United is a great progressive step insofar as illuming and animating a system of corporate electoralism that snuffed out every vestige of our democratic power.If Obamacare goes down , we have a great opportunity to push for single-payer .
Our food is not hot señor.
I assume you were here during the fight over the ACA and the public option, when Jane Hamsher/FDL were whipping for the PO and extracting promises from Dems, most from CPC, not to accept a bill without a PO. That didn’t end well.
On the budget, David Dayen had at least one favorable post recently on the CPC budget, which seems much better than any of the others that are out there. It probably can’t even get a vote, unfortunately.
I’m not making myself clear.
Yes, Judy Miller is a villain. But even she fell on her sword for what she believed in, her brand of patriotism, her ‘love of country’.
I find it hard to fathom that this group of candy-asses, chicken hawks, have more gumption, more commitment to the nation, more courage and fortitude, to risk incarceration, than those on the left (or even that portion of conservatives whose issues intersect with the left’s) with access to information. Where are the Daniel Ellsbergs (as a Rand employee, he made an odd champion for the left) – Were all purged from government, from positions of access?
Something just isn’t adding up, this ‘radio silence’.
Judy judy judy did not suffer but she should. Again, her delay delay delay tactics just made it easier to punish the Wilson’s and punish the Irak people and punish the American people. So I give her lots of credit for torture and blood and widows. No patriotism, other than for the New World Order.
Where are the Whistleblowers? They are under attack by Patrick Fitzgerald or being spied on by the “Intelligence Community”. There is the threat of loss of government benefits, or loss of freedom, or forced medication of psychoactive drugs by government “doctors”, or indefinite detention and torture, as done to Bradley Manning.
Our very own Gulag Archipelago.
I cannot agree more with Atrios and many of your replies (I am still reading thru them).
I guess it all boils down to this at least for me, today.
Our Problem – I think Chris Hayes captures if well with Twilight of the Elites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EvU9NLt35A
From Bush, to Wall St, to Obama, our “elites” have failed us. We have been lied into war, watched our country engage in torture, and robbed by crooked banks and Wall St. Obama was voted in to fix this, but he has turned a blind eye to all of this and largely continue on Bush’s course.
Our Priority – This failure has resulted in another Great Depression, and our elites have decided to give us the bill and the mess. We need to save our world from global warming, we need to feed and house our people who have lost or are losing everything, we need to raise our children and give them the best education, and best possible chances to have a better future than us. To do this, we will need to get back control of our country from the failed elites.
Our Hope – To me, part of our future, part of our hope is the great things we can do when we work together for the benefit of us all. My wife and I are both tail end boomers, raised in the sixties and seventies just finished watching this, one of the great hopes from our childhood:
When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/when-we-left-earth-nasa-missions/
Did you know that all of the NASA budget over fifty years totaled less than TARP? (About $787 billion) Just think what we could have done to better our country if we had spent all of the Wall St bailout (estimates total as high as $29 trillion) on our priorities rather than watching it swallowed up in that economic black hole on Wall St.
I have got to go on a Vanity Rant about that human corruption named Patrick Fitzgerald. The corporate propagandists cannot praise him sufficently. But he is completely rotten.
Oh he did convict Blago…
The Koch Brothers have bribed half of Congress and an undetermined number of Supreme Court “Justices”. Polluters control the regulatory agencies that regulate pollution. And Goldman Sachs, AIG, MERS rock on, but Blago is in jail.
And for twenty years, Fitzgerald has been protecting the terrorists. And Fitzgerald is part of the Gulag.
Scarecrow@64
Yes, I was here when the Affordable Care Act was being crafted and later debated, including the public option and single payer. Needless to say, I’ve been here a couple of years prior.
And which begs my point, even with the House Progressive Caucus Budget. Having a Senate Progressive Caucus would provide the normative “leverage” among the Senate Democrats as well as a spear point directed at the heart of all the shenanigans espoused by both McConnell and Kyl.
Jaango
Right on. You summed up my view concisely.
The bus is heading over the cliff. The GOP will slam down on the accelerator whereas Obama Dems offer a little slower, slightly more scenic ride to the same destination.
Quite well after the Roman Collapse?
1,100 years before the renaissance. You call that quite well?
400 years afterwards to make ANY progress for the common people?
That’s a stupid statement.
Yes, this fall we get to “choose” between going off the cliff or smashing into a boulder. Big media lies to the population every day, essentially poisoning the water we all drink. Even though I don’t watch TV, I still feel assaulted by various lies that pollute every other aspect of daily life.
This fall I will ask myself a simple question: Am I happy with the state of our country? If not, the ONLY thing I will do is vote against every incumbent I am able to.
If we weren’t a country of gutless sheeple, we would storm congress and do much worse.
All of this is our own damn fault. We vote them into office.
Vote third party this election–watch Obama lose–watch the next Dem pres. candidate kiss our asses for our vote. If they don’t follow through then vote third party again–watch them lose–and the next Dem pres. candidate will follow through on progressive promises.
This isn’t brain surgery. We don’t need to re-evaluate anything. We just need to stop being idiots with our vote. We hold all the power. When are we going to realize that?
Well said, DWBartoo.
Somehow we have to craft our input to forums such as this (and whatever others local or national or even international) to counteract the swell of propaganda coming really from a very concentrated few. Tyranny has gone global, and we ought not allow it – we cannot allow it – to rule the conversation.
I believe the people in general, save a very few, have indeed immunized themselves against this propagandistic onslaught – they did that successfully in 2010, having been hoodwinked in 2008. Now, they will be receptive to a genuine message of change even if we cannot see what is going on thanks to the blanket of fog being constantly funnelled our way by all those wankers.
This is why some on this forum are so passionately outspoken that it should, must become a beacon of light in the darkness. Whether it can do so is problematic, but even a gleam now and then does more than all the braying from the PTB.
Their way is shrinking; ours expanding – we need to keep that long arc of history like a rainbow before us, and above all, here, let’s keep our powder dry. A little goes a long, long way.
The whole of your comment is spot on, imho. But this, in particular jumped out at me:
“I suggest that everyone of us, here, has been preparing for what we are NOW facing … for all of our lives, either knowingly or unintentionally, but preparing nonetheless … ”
Only in hindsight could I grasp this. Yet, in that grasping did so much fall into place and make sense. “My piece” may look like no others. Yet, I am carrying it. That is true for everyone.
For whatever reason, in however many ways this works, methinks that each of us holds a piece to the puzzle that will change our course, and thus is the importance of our discourse revealed.
Now, if we can just work our way past whose piece should go first, whose piece is valid and whose is not, etc. we may actually succeed in addressing the task before us. We have much work to do, and I for one, am impatient to begin.
Excellent comment by zenmouser:
“…While we are spot on to identify our predicament at the workings of a bought republic, we must agree with Einstein’s position that we cannot solve the problems using the pathways in which they were created…”
This, it seems to me, is what must and will happen. That is, the voting populace is going to react in some fashion, or in many fashions, to the vise that is being forced upon them this election year, and it will not perhaps be entirely predictable. A huge earthen dam is hurriedly (and not well) being constructed by the PTB. Behind it the waters swell and gain weight, the way Lake Ponchetrain did when Katrina pushed from behind against the dikes. The earthen dam is the wanker battalion. Let’s recognize their efforts for what they are: puny.
The water will find a way, or many ways, as it already has done and is doing. Not to bring chaos,( we fervently desire,) but to restore democracy. It is the same urgent need we had in 2008 and we’ve been prevented this long by the PTB – but that dam has cracks in it. Too bad for Obama and too bad for Romney. I do not think either of them will be left “in charge” of our destiny or of the world’s.
They only have so many sandbags.
The whole of your comment struck a recondite chord within me. I was particularly hit by your words below,
“While we are spot on to identify our predicament at the workings of a bought republic, we must agree with Einstein’s position that we cannot solve the problems using the pathways in which they were created.”
Amongst all of the pressing concerns we face, this point of view, that of looking for the structures now in place, to be the soil of the solutions to the dilemmas we must address, is our greatest challenge at the starting gate.
But, like any good “racers” once beyond that starting gate, the race will begin in earnest. The clock is ticking on many fronts.
LOL. I did not see your words before posting mine.
“Great” minds think alike, walkinboots!
:)
No, not even close. The idea that we’re fearful of “terrorists” doesn’t pass the smell test simply because we’re surrounded mostly by water. Vast areas of aquatic real estate literally means any terrorists without have to come to us — by boat, plane, ferry, etc. Such fears are ungrounded and senseless fears. Other than planes, we’d literally see external threats from miles away …
Remember the song “Throwing Stones” by the Dead?
There’s a fear down here we can’t forget.
Hasn’t got a name just yet.
Always awake – always around
We’ve got a name for that fear now: centrism. Centrists have beaten us over the head for 40 years telling the great unwashed to stay on the center and pointing their fingers at the extreme fringes as the irrevocable sources of death, doom, and destruction to the point where they’ve wrapped themselves (and their extremism) in a vacuum of denial. As a result, too many people have swallowed the bullshit story that centrists are “above the fray” and beyond relying on the tactics of the right and left extremism to maintain current reality — even when evidence of them doing so is staring them dead in the face. Centrists are the terrorists within much like castle royalty was in the old days.
We know they’re wrong, full of shit, far more crazy than the right and left extremists they’ve pumped, shilled, and beaten us over the head with … but we’ve been conditioned to accept their tyranny because its the devil we know as opposed to the devils we don’t and what devils may replace them in their wake.
Think about this: everything we know about the so-called left and right crazy fringes stems chiefly from the narratives and frameworks of the centrists to the point we use their narratives, jargon, and frameworks without examining them. Centrists are not gonna be objective about the fringes anymore than a Capitalist is gonna be objective about Socialism. If anything, they’re gonna be subjective – if not downright projective in their analysis.
Extremism is not something to be feared.
Rev. King made that crystal clear … because America needed creative extremists then in his day just as much as it needs creative extremists today.