There used to be a time when the Daily Kos was the place to go for reality-based content. When quality writers like Emptywheel, Buhdydharma and Toquedeville could be found regularly. Then came the Democratic Primaries and things got really ugly, really fast. It was as if the place became infested with wingnuts, the way you were attacked for being progressive. Many fled, never to be seen again.
Don’t get me wrong, there are still quality writers to be found at Daily Kos. Guys like MinistryofTruth and Crashing Vor. It’s just that the site has been steadily drifting away from being reality-based for quite a few years now.
And today, they officially jumped the shark.
North Korea on brink of war-Is this distracting Obama from oil spill?
We remain preoccupied with criticizing Obama for not personally overseeing a oil spill. Maybe Obama has been paying attention to other immediate crises.
Evidently, the Obama supporters will now desperately grasp for any straw to explain why Obama isn’t getting the job done in the Gulf.
Now, it’s not that some diarist made some pathetic excuse for Obama’s weak handling of the Gulf disaster that makes this an official Daily Kos Jumps the Shark event. No. It’s that this diary actually reached the reclist without a smidgeon of actual, you know, reality-based content. It’s rise to reclist glory was based soley upon the fact that it was a lame attempt to make excuses for Obama – and a subtle attempt to push for war with North Korea. Because THAT, my friends, would be the real distraction. A second Korean war would distract Americans from the Gulf disaster.
First off, the diarist gives us the MSM condensed version of the showdown developing on the Korean peninsula:
Yesterday, North Korea cut off diplomatic ties to South Korea. That is right, a nuclear power has aggressively attacked their major military rival, killing and injuring dozens and now it is escalating.
Ohhhh scary! Not a word of context. No explanation as to why North Korea suddenly attacked a South Korean warship, why North Korea cut off diplomatic ties. No mention of what motivated either side in this latest showdown.
Instead, the diarist feeds us disinformation:
A sick old man is thought to be creating this crisis so his son can take over when he dies. Kim Jong-il has enough atomic fuel for 8 weapons and is trying to bolster the credentials of his designated heir, Kim Jeong-un, 27
Ohhh, more WMD talk, I’m scared! Yes, there’s a link to this totally unfounded assumption, but the link doesn’t even suggest that Kim is creating this crisis to bolster his son. It’s like the diarist pulled that idea wholly out of his own ass.
Then the diarist ends on a subtle warmongering note.
We are on a precipice and one of our loyal allies needs our support. But while we really don’t want a war on three fronts, Obama may be forced to do something dramatic in the near future. Today South Korea conducted antisubmarine drills off the coast of North Korea, and the agreement to end accidental attacks was officially abandoned by South Korea (North Korea abandoned it yesterday.)
Want to know what’s REALLY going on in the Korean peninsula and find out the REAL reason North Korea sank a South Korean naval vessel? You know, a Reality-Based discussion of what is happening over there? I’ll even give you an alternative to sanctions and sabre rattling and WAR that would probably satisfy both sides and make the peninsula a far more peaceful place for years to come.
This is the diary I posted at Daily Kos in response:
To understand why North Korea sank a South Korean navy vessel, one must be aware of the circumstances surrounding the Battle of Daecheong. Likely, few, if any, on this website has ever heard of it.
The Battle of Daecheong took place in November 10, 2009 near Daecheong Island at the Northern Line Limit. The Northern Limit Line was set by U.S. forces in 1953 but has never been recognized by North Korea nor is it mentioned in the 1953 Armistice Agreement. Initially, it was drawn to prevent South Korea from crossing north, but has since been changed to prevent North Korea from crossing south.
Over the last half century, North Korean fishing boats have routinely crossed the line, many times escorted by N.K. patrol boats. Prior to the Battle of Daecheong, there had been two minor skirmishes along the border, the first and second Battles of Yeonpyeong, in 1999 and 2002 respectively.
Here is a description of the Battle of Daecheong:
The incident began around 11:27 am when a North Korean navy patrol boat crossed down through the NLL even though boats from the South Korean navy warned them twice. After one more warning announcement, one of the South Korean patrol boats fired a warning shot. In response, the North Korean boat began firing upon the South Korean ship. This resulted in a short exchange of fire between the sides. The North Korea vessel expended approximately 50 rounds, and the South Korean craft returned fire with 200 rounds.
The Korean Central News Agency, the official news agency of North Korea, accused the South Korean Navy of provoking the confrontation, reporting that "the North side let a patrol boat of the Navy of the KPA on routine guard duty promptly go into action to confirm an unidentified object that intruded into the waters of its side. When the patrol boat was sailing back after confirming the object at about 11: 20 a group of warships of the South Korean forces chased it and perpetrated such a grave provocation as firing at it. The patrol boat of the North side, which has been always combat-ready, lost no time to deal a prompt retaliatory blow at the provokers. Much flurried by this, the group of warships of the South Korean forces hastily took to flight to the waters of their side."
Aftermath
After the battle, the South Korea patrol boat had suffered only superficial damage (reportedly 15 bullet marks on the ship’s side) with no casualties, while the North Korea patrol boat was left partially destroyed. Though there was no official announcement from North Korea, a news agency in South Korea reported a rumor that North Korea suffered four casualties (1 KIA / 3 WIA).[6] On the other hand, a defector said about 10 North Korean sailors were killed in action.Not to justify the North Koreans, but simply to give this situation the proper context, one could just as easily claim that these waters are in North Korea as South Korea. In fact, one can better understand the domestic pressures upon Kim Jong-il if one considers that from the North Korean perspective the Battle of Daecheong represented the attack of one of their vessels in their own territory.
This is why it was theorized afterwards that General Kim Myong-Guk was demoted after the battle.
The JoongAng Daily published photos of General Kim Myong-Guk released last June and this week. The earlier picture showed Kim with the four stars of a full general, while this week’s photos showed just the three stars of a colonel-general….
…One theory is that General Kim was demoted over North Korea’s beating in the last naval clash with the South.
Now spring forward to March 26,2010. The Chenoan goes down near the Northern Limit Line near the South Korean island of Baengnyeong. A torpedo attack is suspected.
Then in April, North Korea celebrates the 78th Anniversary of the Korean People’s Army
The training well showed the decisive resolution and merciless striking force of the KPA soldiers replete with the fighting spirit to annihilate the aggressors at one stroke, if they dare intrude into the inviolable land, sea and sky of the DPRK even an inch, and take thousand-fold revenge upon them.
and who is in attendance and sporting a fourth star again? General Kim Myong Guk.
A key general in the North Korean Army has been returned to four-star rank after a demotion earlier this year, and South Korean government and intelligence officials are scrambling to find out why.
It is not until May that the Chenoan Report comes out:
The South Korean corvette Cheonan was split in two by the shockwave and bubble-jet effect resulting from the underwater explosion of a 250 kg torpedo.
The parts dredged up from the sea floor where the Cheonan was sunk match the schematics of a weapon offered for sale by North Korea, the CHT-02D torpedo.
A hand-written Korean inscription, translating to “No. 1,” was found on one such part. The same marking appears on a North Korean torpedo found by the South seven years ago.
“A few small submarines and a mother ship supporting them left a North Korean naval base in the West [i.e., Yellow] Sea 2-3 days prior to the attack and returned to port 2-3 days after the attack.”
No other country had a submarine in the area at the time.
It becomes obvious that North Korea was behind the attack on the Chenoan, that the Battle of Daecheong was seen by North Korea as an attack on a NK vessel in NK waters and that Gen. Kim Myong Guk was given a chance to redeem himself by avenging that attack.
The key to resolving this issue peacefully is not to ratchet up sabre rattling on both sides. The key to resolving further incidents like this is to resolve the boundary dispute created by the U.S. unilaterally imposed demarcation of the Northern Limit Line. Until both sides agree upon who controls these disputed waters, confrontations like this are going to continue and war, not peace, will be the outcome. Ideally, a buffer zone should be set up. One that keeps both navies away from each other but would allow fishing vessels to safely operate within it.
Now obviously, President Obama knows everything I have just detailed above. His intelligence sources would have told him what was really happening. He knows that the sinking of the Chenoan was simply tit for tat, not the first move of a nuclear confrontation.
And Obama knows that the South Korean response – blasting propaganda across the DMZ and enforcing new sanctions – was an act of escalation that was met in kind by the North.
Of course, spreading word that there is no cause for war with Korea, that there are solutions available to prevent war and that this attack didn’t come out of the blue, as the MSM would have Americans believe, doesn’t interest the inhabitants over at Daily Kos. Reality-based reporting only proves that, no, this isn’t a distraction to Obama, in fact, at best, it’s only going to serve as a distraction FOR Obama by taking the focus off the worst manmade disaster in human history.
And as if to rub salt in Daily Kos wounds, on this same day Obama tells reporters that:
"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama declared at a news conference in the East Room of the White House. Obama said many critics failed to realize "this has been our highest priority."
"My job right now is just to make sure everybody in the Gulf understands: This is what I wake up to in the morning, and this is what I go to bed at night thinking about. The spill."
"There shouldn’t be any confusion here. The federal government is fully engaged," he said, underscoring his central point.
Funny, how differently the world looks when your feet are firmly planted in reality – instead of jumping over a shark.



13 Comments







Awesome blog. ty scrowder
Good work.
DKos “jumped the shark” Election night 2004 when he called people with video and still photo evidence CNN had changed it’s Ohio election returns.
Called anyone that tried to show real video & photo evidence “crazy conspiracy theorists” and went postal banning accounts left and right.
Thanks for the background, scrowder.
Meanwhile…
it’s a diary. saying that “today dailykos jumped the shark” based on a diary is like saying “today fdl jumped the shark” because of one diary. diaries are semi-open semi-community publishing platforms. they are not front page blogs and they do not represent the writing of dailykos bloggers (as opposed to diarists).
disclaimer: this is not a general defense of dkos, any blog and certainly not the dkos diarist
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p.s. thanks scrowder for your anti-warmongering anti-hysteria counter.
Thanks for this. I don’t think I can go back to dKos anymore. If I don’t have the ‘right’ opinion and I don’t bow to the ‘in’ folks, I am persona non grata. They tattle like children. They enforce ‘rules’ selectively. Hurts and is certainly not progressive.
I will give you an example of what I mean:
A Philadelphia Italian American wrote a diary which he began with the particularly South Philadelphia greeting “Yo.” He then went on to use the word ‘gumba’ which is the way we talk in South Philadelphia. The diarist was criticized by a nonItalian for ‘stereotyping.’ I pointed out that I was an Italian American and I was not offended. So then a big muckety muck told me “Well, I have Italian friends who would be very offended. So don’t use ‘gumba’ because I asked you not to.” I pointed out that the muckety muck’s first clue should have been the “Yo.” I also stated that “is how we talk in South Philadelphia and when I needed help with language, I would let him know.”
The diarist (who was an Italian being told that he was being an offensive bigot because he wrote like a real Italian from Philly) recommended my remarks. So this nonItalian muckety muck offended me and the diarist by telling us we Italians were bigoted for using Italian slang. And when directly confronted with his idiocy and rudeness, erased the conversation so that he would not be caught being a concern troll politically correct offensive holier-than-thou idiot. And now the big muckety muck chases me and ‘corrects and warn’s me’ for stupid shit any chance he gets. And that is what passes for ‘reality’ at dKos.
To be perfectly honest, I don’t care about North and South Korea. We should not have involved ourselves when we did and to be honest, we don’t have excess military capacity to deal with this even if it did flare up.
The problem here is that you have the city of Seoul well within shelling range of North Korean artillery. It has been this way since the 1950s and continues to this day. South Korea has done nothing to make any sort of attack from the North any less dire than it could be in the past 50 years.
Our footprint on the peninsula has been decreasing year after year. What exactly do we have to stop them if they chose to attack? Nuclear weapons and that’s about it.
This is a glass house that is waiting to crumble. In the death throws on the North Korean regime, they will lash out to the South and we will be expected to “help”. Ron Paul has one point that I wholeheartedly agree with. We should remove ourselves from foreign entanglements.
This is just asking for trouble and I’ll be damned if my son will go fight and possibly die to deal with a house of cards set to crumble 50+ years ago.
You said:
Ron Paul has one point that I wholeheartedly agree with. We should remove ourselves from foreign entanglements.
This is just asking for trouble and I’ll be damned if my son will go fight and possibly die to deal with a house of cards set to crumble 50+ years ago.
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That is a point of agreement I have with R. Paul as well. I feel this is extremely important for our survival and our prosperity. I cannot, however, vote for R. Paul because he wants to put the control of my reproductive function in the individual States hands. Nobody is going to vote on what happens to my body or any of its functions.
I wonder if psychopathy runs in families because neither of the Pauls seem capable of emotion or self awareness. It is creepy.
Although I agree that injecting that sentence into the diary about Obama being distracted shows a desire to use anything to defend him, pooh-poohing North Korea seems naive.
Beyond the obvious moral reasons against waging endless, unnecessary wars of choice, there is the practical reason that it makes it more difficult to address other problems that might arise, like North Korea.
Scrowder, thank you for providing a different perspective and information of historical significance on the “Korea” issue. I will do further research based on information you have provided to increase my personal awareness. The media reports these issues as if our country must immediately retaliate in order to bring about fear and justify our military industrial complex.
Just as Fox News and it’s affiliates lost credibility due to it’s propaganda machine for the Bush administration, Daily Kos has lost credibility as being a propaganda machine for the Obama administration. They “jumped the shark” long before this. I believe the only way we can “progress” is to question decisions being made no matter which party is in the majority. How do the decisions effect citizens in general. If decisions and results are positive, let’s acknowledge that…if negative, then speak up loudly to try and bring about change. One of the main reasons I enjoy reading Firedoglake is that I know many of the people are progressives who aren’t afraid to ask questions.
Granny Doc’s diary today was as shameful of a thing I have ever read….
Basically we should shut the fuck up about Obama on the spill cause he has too much on his plate.
Perfect for a person who won’t live to see the extent of this fucking catastrophe…
The disconnect with Obama supporters is they have forgotten that democracy means that we can disagree with the President. They forgot that this is a democracy not a dictatorship that Bush wanted. I didn’t need to read that diary to know what it said. What ever happened to the “Reality Based Community”?
Only the very young or the very forgetful would believe there is likely to be a large scale war. Brinksmanship has been standard operating procedure for the DPRK for over half a century.
Is the current impasse serious? Sure. Is it possible this might continue to escalate until it becomes a major military clash? Yes there is that possibility but it is still pretty remote at this stage.