People of good conscience should not vote for President Obama. So says columnist Conor Friedersdorf. In a piece in Atlantic magazine entitled, “Why I Refuse to Vote for Barack Obama,” Friedersdorf is unequivocal. “I don’t see how anyone who confronts Obama’s record with clear eyes can enthusiastically support him.”
Friedersdorf’s indignation stems from the president’s abuse of executive authority. He’s particularly outraged by armed drones that “terrorize innocent Pakistanis on an almost daily basis.” The administrations extrajudicial “kill lists,” or manifest of individuals targeted for assassination that it and it alone compiles, also horrors Friedersdorf, as does Obama’s reckless disregard of the War Powers Resolution requiring the executive to obtain approval from Congress before committing armed forces to sustained military action.
Should all of the above disqualify Obama?
Though the drone war began under Bush II, not Obama, the current president has expanded its scope dramatically. According to media reports compiled by the New America Foundation, more than 300 drone strikes have occurred during Obama’s single term, a tally outnumbering that of his two-term predecessor by a factor of five to one. The attacks may not even be that effective. CNN terrorism expert Peter Bergan notes that as few as one in seven of the unmanned assaults in Pakistan kill a militant leader: “In total, according to our analysis, less than two percent of those killed by US drone strikes in Pakistan have been described in reliable press accounts as leaders of al-Qaeda or allied groups.”
Like all weapons, drones cause “collateral damage,” though just how much is debatable. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism in England estimates that between 282 and 535 noncombatants, including 60 children, have died from drone strikes during Obama’s tenure. Whatever the actual number, drones disrupt life in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan, where many of the pilotless aircraft strikes occur. Friedersdorf quotes one Pakistani woman’s heartbreaking reflections: “Because of the terror [generated by the overhead buzzing of the drones], we shut our eyes, hide under our scarves, put our hands over our ears.”
Fear of being mistakenly targeted by the aircraft may help explain why, according to the New America Foundation, almost nine in ten Pakistanis in that country’s northwest tribal region oppose the US’s counter-terrorism efforts. Many deeply resent the US as a result, which brings to mind a question once asked by Donald Rumsfeld: are we killing more extremists than we’re creating? Nobody knows.
As problematic, Obama personally oversees the selection of militants for targeting (oftentimes by drones), which includes Americans and minors. Jo Becker and Scott Shane of The New York Times chronicle the weekly “nominations” process conceived by the current administration where members of the intelligence community draft on weekly basis recommendations for the president’s consideration on who should be killed.
This processes’ lack of transparency and oversight, its questionable legal basis, and absence of an explanation of how the administration defines “enemy combatants” are but a few of the serious concerns associated with Obama’s counter-terrorism policy. Justification for the “kill list” prompted Georgetown University legal scholar Rosa Brooks to remark to the Financial Times: “That amounts, in practice, to a claim that the executive branch has the unreviewable power to kill anyone, anywhere, at any time, based on secret criteria and secret information discussed in a secret process by largely anonymous sources.” Congress should provide legislative oversight to address these and other related matters, but it has shamefully shirked its responsibility.
Friedersdorf cites Obama’s refusal to adhere to the War Powers Resolution during the Libya campaign, though the law has been routinely ignored since its promulgation, but he neglects to mention a flagrant violation of civil liberties committed by the president, or broad use of warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, which, according to the ACLU, has quadrupled over the past four years.
This catalogue of threats to civil liberties and, indeed, to the rule of law itself, have mostly gone unquestioned by the same liberals who screamed “Bloody Murder!” when the same sorts of violations occurred during George W. Bush’s tenure. Glenn Greenwald of Salon and The Guardian, one of the few principled liberals who have condemned the Obama administration for its many abuses of power, correctly bemoans what he calls “repulsive progressive hypocrisy.” Yet should Obama’s record disqualify him from consideration at the ballot box, as Friedersdorf claims?
To believe so is to assume that a Romney administration would take a different tact on national security matters, which is unlikely, a point Friedersdorf concedes. To believe so also assumes that Romney would nominate judges more inclined to check the abuse of authority. This is also unlikely. Finally, to believe that Obama’s “imperial presidency” disqualifies him for reelection is to accept by default his opponent’s platform, including, for example, his (Romney’s) dogged determination to turn the country into a feudal-like state by relentlessly preferencing the rich and powerful.
Far better to vote for a highly-flawed Obama and congressional candidates who take seriously their responsibility as potential members of a co-equal branch of government to provide the checks and balances vital to sustaining our democracy.




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thanks for cross posting this sebastian. tweeted and recommended
Sorry, but the wolf is not at the door, he’s already in the room.
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And who might those candidates be?
History shows that the Democrats are better at providing any semblance of either a check or a balance when they function as the oppositional party. Not that they are all that good at it, as evidenced by their passivity and sometimes collusion with the things Bush did, as well as the free pass they have given him since.
A far wiser person than myself once said that if you give up liberty for the sake of security, you will have neither.
That is true even if you extend the argument to this one: if a person is willing to give up morality in order to have security, you will end up with neither.
In some very basic, very important sense, the right to declare your choice for a political office has a metaphysical meaning.
Should a majority of people choose to always vote for the “lesser evil,” then they end up ensuring that they will not have liberty, they will not have morality and they will end up with exactly those circumstances that they fear. This is especially the case in voting for Obama. Reason being is this one: he is a man who is so very eager to appease his opponents that there are few action items his where he has successfully stopped his opponents from having their agenda fulfilled. opponents. The man cannot even negotiate in a clever or wise manner.
Lastly, when Obama defended his stance on Section 1021 of the NDAA, he stated that he wouldn’t make full use of the provisions, as he respected “the traditions” of this nation. Someone really should tell the president that our liberty and inherent rights as a people are not a tradition – they are rights.
To believe so is to assume that a Romney administration would take a different tact on national security matters, which is unlikely, a point Friedersdorf concedes. To believe so also assumes that Romney would nominate judges more inclined to check the abuse of authority. This is also unlikely. Finally, to believe that Obama’s “imperial presidency” disqualifies him for reelection is to accept by default his opponent’s platform, including, for example, his (Romney’s) dogged determination to turn the country into a feudal-like state by relentlessly preferencing the rich and powerful
I dont anyone who plans not to vote for Obama who assumes any such thing about Romney. We know that he is just as bad as Obama but we have a better chance of getting democrats and liberals to fight against him than we do with Obama. An Obama win means liberals like yourself and the democrats in congress will be compelled to support him. So what he wants to slash the social safety nets he’s our guy, those children and women he is killing well it cld be worse it cld be Romney killing them. If Obama is reelected he is going to veer to the right and implement republican policies immediately, the only difference is he will have your support in doing so.
The obamapologia at bottom of this sebastianbennett diary seems/seemed misplaced in view of what precedes/preceded above it in this diary…
…electing Obama again is not a good idea…obamapologia at this point in 2012 comes across as deepseated obot/dbot driven partisanship that is immune to what Barack Obama(D)(DINO)(CorporatistUniParty(MilitaristUniParty) has done since Jan.20,2009,has not done,is doing or is seeking to do still.
IOKIYAAD as a cover letter for letting Barack Obama be POTUS for four more years fails,has failed and opens upon worse failure. Done with it.
Good luck with that. Obama will still give us the shaft, even if slowly, and ‘serious’ members of Congress quickly discover a core ‘principle’……… to get re-elected continually, to enjoy the many charms of D.C.
Absolutely.
Democratic voters used to call the Bush voters sheep, and stated they could never support such policies. But, what most really meant was they could not support the policies under Bush. Obama has continued, expanded, and surpassed many of the worst Bush era policies, yet the majority of democratic voters are advocating his real election.
When liberals blogs and sites across the web are advocating for the election of a man who signed the right for a President to indefinitely
detain American citizens without charges into law, we have lost our collective minds.
This will only end when we stop being enablers to the left hand side of the corporate party rule. Only then will we see change.
This is insanity. Pure and simple
for me, yes it is absolutely immoral and inconcieveable for me to vote for Obama.
I’m voting for Jill Stein, and I don’t have any reservations about doing so.
Yes.
Huh?
Feel free to vote for Mitt Romney if it makes you feel better. For me, voting for Mitt would be immoral.
Isn’t it my job to start these lesser evil threads?
Heh.
The choice to vote for Obama is not immoral. I am voting for Jill Stein because I cannot again vote for Obama. I don’t consider myself more moral than those who choose Obama and would encourage everyone to vote their own conscience. The idea of Mitt being prez scares me to death but America has recovered from much worse. I hate what is happening to our country and the future looks bleak. We all should do what we can at every level of gov’t and hold to our principles.
I’ve decided to vote for a fourth party. TBogg already convinced me that Jill Stein and the other third party candidates are sell outs. So fuck them and fuck Romney.
I told my 36 yo daughter why I voted the way I did today.
I’m one of those who feels that if I gave him my vote it says, ‘I approve of your approach to the presidency and endorse your actions.”
He lost mine within 6 months of taking office, when it was clear he wouldn’t bust banksters or bushco. It was sealed when he aided BP in covering up the damage they’ve done. That isn’t all.
Twain and SenatorGovernment put it well.
I voted for Jill Stein.
This insanity you describe is “fascism” orchestrated by corporate aristocrats using money to hijack a nation and protect business models by funding both political parties and creating gridlock.
It is clearly a rigged system when candidates listed on a national ballot are not permitted to participate in nation wide televised debates, on three different occasions? It all about limiting choice politically and economically for the benefit of corporations who profit from a rigged system…
Starting in the ’80s I think, a myth gained currency that held the American right in thrall for decades called ‘Trickle Down Economics’.
It had a twin sister born to the Left at about the same time called,
‘The Lesser of Two Evils’.
What does it say about us that they continue to serve their purpose so reliably?
Ummm is this a test?
It’s difficult to vote for someone who for the past 4 years has enabled the Republicans and demeaned progressives. No, it’s not difficult, it would be wrong.
Only Obama can pull the Dems over the side of dismantling Social Security and Medicare. Who would you prefer… someone who can dismantle or social safety net or someone who merely wants to dismantle it?
Third-party candidates are the ONLY humane option in this climate of corporatist clones. Close your eyes and both candidates sound the same.
Very well said. And so correct.
Humane for you? Or your daughter?
The first 7/8 of this post is another well constructed MORAL AND LEGAL argument against voting for Barry. Then we get “To believe (that it is immoral to vote for Barry) is to assume that a Romney administration would take a different tact on national security matters, which is unlikely, a point Friedersdorf concedes.”
No, it is not. Bullshit and non sequitur. LOTE is not in and of itself a moral or legal argument against taking a moral position against murder, terrorism, and total disregard for domestic and international law.
And, BTW, although not on the same moral plane, you forgot to mention that Barry can hardly wait to destroy SS, Medicare, and Medicaid in order to save them.
Absolutely.
I live in a swing state and will vote for Stein without hesitation.
No, its a comedy.
I will not vote for Obama. How can I vote for someone who should be impeached and tried in the Senate for violating his solemn vow to defend the Constitution?
However, I will not sit in judgment of those who decide to vote for him. Everyone is entitled to act in accordance with their conscience. That said, I dislike the guilt trip being laid on those of us who refuse to support the war criminal. They act as if they have all the answers. In facts, no one does.
No, of course it isn’t.
But the tone of your threads does so much in encouraging folks to vote third party that I have to think you are on Stein’s payroll.
One of Obama’s opponents is Jill Stein.
Nice. You just tried, judged and convicted the President as a criminal. But it is ok if I vote for him. Thanks for,that.
lol
People should vote as they feel led.
LOLZ! Good one, TBagg!
For the life of me, I cannot see why any progressive that lives in a non-swing state should pull the lever for Obama. I wouldn’t vote for him even if I lived in Ohio, but I just cannot see passing up this opportunity to send a message to the Deomcratic Party leadership even if you fear Romney more. In my book, 2=2, every time.
Voting for the lesser of two evils legitimizes evil. So, yes, voting for Obama or Romney is immoral. The United States is a very immoral country with a very corrupt politic.
I don’t expect a candidate to accord completely with my views, but Obama has shown a great deal of dishonesty, disregard for the constitution and, frankly, evil.
I am voting for Jill Stein. I voted for hope and change in 2008 and got shafted. I voted in previous elections most often for the lesser of two evils. What has such a choice gotten us? If we had hoped to curb the rightward movement of the Rethugs, take another look. They are more extreme now than EVER. And their new standard-bearer, Paul Ryan, is more extreme than Bush or Romney. An Obama presidency permits the center to accept what Bush would not and what Romney probably would do. The right takes no prisoners, makes no compromises, never apologizes, and doggedly supports and enables the rich and powerful. There are “blue dog Democrats”, but there are no longer any such compromising, moderate, center leaning Rethugs. It is time to send a message and encourage long term support for our DEMOCRACY — something that the two major parties have abandoned.
Can you present a counter-argument that Oilbomber is not a criminal?
Obviously, you are free to vote for him in any case.
Aside from disliking, I completely reject the idea of the citizen’s vote for a presidential candidate as some heavy moral calculus akin to The Holy Eucharist, and getting the guilt trips from the purity crowd.
While some may insist that it is some moral choice, and then just LOVE to bash others for it later, I do not, in the least. Particularly when each candidate is flawed and full of fail, just each in different areas.
For instance, Stein never filed a personal financial disclosure. So wtf is up with that? Particularly when a big deal these days is financial transparency.
Gimme a break – I don’t think any prez candidate is worth a damn, and for me it’s about choosing the one I think I can influence after the election. The actual election winner.
Is voting for Obama immoral? Is the pope catholic. Obama’s latest imperial presidency escapade: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/24-11
The “matrix” is a “centralized clearinghouse for determining who will be executed without due process” based solely upon determinations made exclusively by the executive branch.
And…
The “disposition matrix” itself was “motivated by Obama’s refusal to arrest or detain terrorist suspects, and his resulting commitment simply to killing them at will.
So, if you think that it is still moral to vote for a person who KILLS people at will and tosses DUE PROCESS out the window then there is definitely some faulty logic there.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” -Carl Sagan.
By voting for Jill Stein I’m not even trying to send a message. I cannot abandon the things I believe in and then blame Obama for not keeping the promises he made.
Screw voting! We need to overthrow the damned system. No one seems interested in that by any means, so we’re just going to be screwed the exact same way no matter if Obama or Romney wins.
Obama = Bush on steroids.
He is a criminal.
Well I am quite sure you have all the necessary information to convict him. I mean by that you know who he targeted, the reasons for it or was he just out for a saturday night shoot? I would think the President gets to have a defense or would you rather just hang him and ask questions later?
So thanks for letting me be free to vote for Obama.
And you also know all the facts you need to know. Why in hecks name are we not out to hang him?
So I guess, and this is inexplicable to me, you think you can influence Obama after he is re-elected? You must be a lot closer to Obama’s positions than I would have thought.
The power to vote for Oilbomber or any other Candidate on the ballot in your state – or a write-in Candidate where applicable is not granted by me. Therefore, you are obviously free to vote for whomever you like.
If you believe that Oilbomber is not a criminal, could you please present your evidence?
You need to present the evidence as I have suggested above. do you have any idea, I mean any idea at all, of who and why he targeted those people? and why he chose drones and not boots on the ground? And who else is complicit? And if you do, does he not get to defend himself? I am not his lawyer. You want justice, you gotta give it. No two ways about that. Why has congress not impeached him, if the evidence is there?
Flawed, Yes. But are Stein or Romney any better,and how do you figure? You assume facts not in evidence. And for all you know they will do exactly the same thing.
You’re kidding, right? Why would Obama listen to anyone once he’s re-elected? He barely listened to the folks who brought him to the dance to start with! I’m voting 3rd party. The game is so rigged, I might as well vote my conscience.
Do not make assumptions about me or my positions.
What I am saying is that from a “influence” point of view is that in my particular bailiwick, LGBT politics, yep, influenced the Administration. And in the rest of the “bailiwicks” like SocSec and so forth it’s possibl too, if people would adopt the methods that the LGBT bloc has.
Do I think those methods work inter alia? Yes. Do I think they’ll work better with a democratic administration? Yes, I do.
And that’s treading water at best. There is a long ugly crawl ahead; I have no illusions about that. But I’d rather choose the opponent I think I can make the most difference with, as little as that difference might be.
And also I’m saying, fine, vote 3rd party. I’m not going to blame outcomes in the future on that, as I don’t think that 3rd party voting bloc will make any appreciable difference on the outcome. Didn’t in 2000.
But I’m also saying voting 3rd party isn’t a deal maker in my book. This one quadrennial event doesn’t supplant all the things people do, and should do, in off-election cycles.
Just don’t bash me over the head for choosing the power in the power choosing game, and call me “immoral” or lacking conscience. Because that is not correct, it’s not right, and it’s not a fair characterization of me or my position.
Under the NDAA with the inclusion of the right for the Executive to kill Americans extra-judicially, American citizens no longer have the right to defend themselves. The Executive now has the power of life and death in his/her hands.
Sen. Levin revealed that this proviso was pushed, specifically, by the Obama administration.
That said, yes, Mr. Obama has the right to a defense, that he has stripped us of.
Sorry for reposting this but I don’t have the energy to do it all over again. But here is what I think about Obama and Romney (in part).
I suppose I have not been sufficiently instructed in the nature of evil. But I might be catching on here. There could be as many as three Supreme Court justices appointed in the next four years. Now, I too, can vote on evil policies as I see them. And if that fuck Romney is elected there will be evil for a generation and it may never get reversed.
And if anyone here really thinks Romney and Ryan will not screw up (notice I didn’t say fuck up) SSMM and reverse what little help Obamacare brings them there is a fucking bridge in my hometown I will sell you cheap. All of this leaves aside what these fuck heads will do for women’s rights and gay rights. And if you think Obama will start a war in Iran, then I will guarantee you the Romney/Gen Frank/Ryan/Bolton/Cheney and company will do it instantly.
Twelve million more jobs from ass wipe? Ever see a fucking plan for that? Or for poverty?
Now I don’t believe the deficit is a problem and here I thoroughly disagree with Obama. But fucking tell me how that ass wipe Romney is going to cut taxes for everyone to the tune of five trillion.
Lets leave it with a word on hypocrisy. Where the fuck have you Obama haters been the last six months and how many positions has flip flop had? What are you to believe?
So go ahead, make my day, stay home or be pure and vote third party. Yeah that will totally help your country. The hard work starts at the bottom in small races at the precinct level, not presidential ones.
But what the fuck do I know. I used to sling shit around the factory floor.
I apologize for the cusing. I’m too tired to clean it up.
Are we going to keep having
these circular firing attacks for the next two weeks?
Kelly, TBogg….just love your comments. Truth.
At the very least, in a few weeks, this blog won’t be filled with
I’m Voting for Jill Stein comments.
And, a new hobby will be found.
What we are talking about is narcissism versus pragmatism–or should I say narcissism versus Pragmatism? Obama isn’t perfect. He’s a moderate Republican. A neoliberal even. But if you can’t distinguish between Obama and Romney then you make your own bed.
One example:
Obama’s Kill List, Drone Program and the NDAA which grants the executive branch the power to confine (and kill) American Citizens without due process is illegal and unconstitutional.
Therefore, Oilbomber, having broken the law is a criminal.
Furthermore, the President of the US is sworn to uphold the Constitution (not sworn to pertekt the Mairkin People).
Since these acts are unconstitutional, Oilbomber is derelect in his duty and he should be impeached (as Dubya should have been impeached – Pelosi took “impeachment off the table”).
“do you have any idea, I mean any idea at all, of who and why he targeted those people?”
I think that gets to part of what people talk about when when they gripe about the executive branch stomping on the neck of that due process thing our country recently sold off all the rights to. No one has ‘any idea, any idea at all.’ Its just because the President said so.
“Why has congress not impeached him, if the evidence is there?”
I ask this completely without snark, as I have asked Republicans countless times about their views on Bush, Cheney, and the lot:
Are you serous here? Are you seriously asking that question?
Why didn’t congress impeach and try Bush?
One may or may not choose to vote for Obama- that’s a matter of politics and conscience. But I have difficulty understanding how anyone at this late stage can not see who and what they are pulling the lever for.
Say’s you. I think you have the right to vote for anyone you want.
But, don’t lie.
You bet I ask that question. You cannot deny justice and then pretend it is just.
Is voting for Obama moral?
FUCK NO. I would be negligent if i voted FOR,torture,killing innocents,wiping their ass with the constitution.
I’m confused. What’s the lie?
BTW: Lawrence O’Donnell just encouraged 3rd Party voting. Interesting.
So, the author gives quite a few reasons why voting for Obama is immoral, then tags on a non-sequitur at the end.
If this is the best sort of argument we are to get from Obama’s defenders, I predict there will quite a few more votes for jill Stein on election day.
I am sick of having to vote for evil of two lessers. Rocky and Jill weren’t even on my ballot here in Nevada. Fuck.
So, if you’re a Democrat, liberal, progressive, why would you vote for a moderate republican, neoliberal?
I don’t believe I ever said you were immoral or that you are made immoral by encouraging people to vote for Obama. But, one wonders if deep down you may have a bit of self-loathing for your position on voting. You should appreciate, though, that social issues are easy for the Democrats to be “moved” on because there is very little capital for them to expend in the process. Where you will not move them is on civil liberties, war, pro-corporate policies and the environment. So, by your willingness to be bought off on Lgbt or abortion or any number of small potatoes social issues, you enable them to take us down the same road to ruin as the Republicans would. Both parties and the candidates are toxic to our ability to forge a solution to important problems that need to be addressed immediately. You have fallen into the same trap the unions did years ago. And look what has happened to them for their years of loyal support.
Sounds like that comes down from on high somewhere?
Regardless of the victor, my personal life won’t change much, so my instinct is to act to help those who are less fortunate than me. That path does not led me to either a third party nor sitting out this election.
As far as morality goes, it would be immoral to vote for either of the two legacy party assclowns. One is war criminal bent on Austerity for the Commons and the other is a wannabe war criminal bent on Austerity for the Commons.
so my instinct is to act to help those who are less fortunate than me.
Just think how many more people there will be to help once Obama cuts Social Security benefits.
Oh, sorry. I forget to control V.
He barely listened to the folks who brought him to the dance to start with That’s what I was pointing to.
It would be too tedious to have a whole back and forth.
Hi, Dearie. Thanks for calling me out. Really, you know I dont’ do snark so you know I mean it when I say thanks, but I’m a little edgy about all the name calling here.
I think it’s name calling to judge someone as immoral for the way they may or may not choose to vote.
Dinner’s ready. Gotta go.
I’ll keep that in mind next time I find myself tempted to deny someone justice.
My post was in reaction however, to your question as to why Congress would not impeach Obama if there was no evidence to investigate.
I find that question perplexing, both in light of the current lay of the land, and due to certain historical events that occurred during the previous administration.
I remember going to a pro-Palestine march in Paris about a decade or so ago, and when the mostly Arab marchers found out I was an American a few of them came up to me to complain about Bush in broken English. Well, I was in complete agreement with them. Then one of them said, “We liked Clinton. He was a good president.” I just turned to her and said, “No, he was a killer just like Bush. They’re all killers, all the US presidents (in my lifetime) are killers.”
I still feel that way. So searching for morality in the US presidental vote seems to me to be a bit naive. I am still undecided, although leaning heavily towards Jill Stein. The only justification in voting Obama is kind of what Kelly expressed, but moreso, the mistaken belief that Obama will transform into a paragon of progressivism which he shown absolutely no pattern for. No insult Kelly, but beyond the hyper-awareness here are many voters hoping that Obama will change, in a myth of Disneyesque sentimentality…and then there are the voters who believe that Romeny will be much more relentless, and efficient killer, using and expanding on the previous systems of death already in place. Either way I would love to see a 85% or higher participation.
Should be a rule in election season: State your case as passionately as you want but don’t call anyone else’s stupid or immoral.
Just sayin’
Jeezus, I hope Romney wins. It’ll be worth it just to watch those who voted for a war criminal and claimed the high moral ground by doing so choke on their own tongues.
Oh, man. Now I’m really gone.
#71 just pushed me over the edge. Ha!
No.
Total bunk. About as relevant as Thomas Aquinas’s inquiry in Summa Theologica as to how many angels can sit on the head of a pin.
My advice is to vote for the candidate of your choice and allow others to do so without attempting to impose moral judgments on them.
Dear gawd, you cannot read what I wrote, and really “self-loathing”?
Small potatoes! Little teeny tiny potatoes!
That and “self-loathing” only comes up when people identify LGBT, so congratulations! You win a dog-whistle treat!
What you never address is methods/tactics of how we get what we got, which is no small potatoes, thankyouverramuch, and that the same are applicable to the other important issues.
And your conclusion is completely, factually incorrect. LGBT issues have advanced since 2008. Unions have not.
I find it interesting I only replied with non-personal analyses, and the reply I get has “there-must-be-something-wrong-with-you-Kelly” which is my whole point in my first post.
Thanks, oldgold.
If you are saying congress is weak, yes. But they are not helpless. Even noise would suffice to tone down wrongdoing.
Actually i am at about 250′ above sea level.
Oh Lordy, I do wish people would stop trying to determine what morality is for other people.
Do I like most of Obama’s policies? No. Do I think that you can make a moral choice to support him in spite of them? Sure. He has done one or two things that are decent(like dropping DOMA and Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, getting more young people health insurance coverage and attempting to make certain women have access to contraception.) Whether those type things are enough is going to be in the eye of the beholder. In my mind, they are not. However, I totally understand that my position is not the be all or end of all on moral behavior and there may be people out there that do consider it enough.
I wish instead of people getting preachy when it comes to voting or not voting that people explained why they feel their candidate is the best option or why they feel their strategy is the right one to adopt and leave the whole entire you are —–(fill in the blank with immoral, stupid, or a sellout.) Children namecall. Adults should be able to discuss things without resorting to that.
LOL. I am at about sea level.
ROTFLMAO
Eleventy dimensional chess!
No, instead they’ll be filled with hand wringing about how horrible it is that Social Security is going to be cut when the grand bargain is made or that there is saber rattling about Iran and all you very serious people who voted for the Obama can opine about how pragmatic you were when you voted for him or how you wished there was another option(despite the fact that there ARE other options.)
No, I’m not saying Congress is weak at all. I think Congress is quite powerful.
I’m saying Congress is corrupt, and that it has demonstrated
a complicity with crimes committed against humanity and U.S. citizens by the Executive branch in the past, and that I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest any reason that this state of corruption has changed.
Because of that, I personally don’t find an absence of impeachment proceedings to be a reliable barometer as to the lawfulness of Obama’s policy, one way or the other. Hence my original question to you.
And to be clear, ultimately we all have to make a calculation between conscience and political strategy when we support any given candidate.
I may disagree with the result of your calculation with regard to Obama and you may disagree with mine.
Ok I will leave it there for now.
If sellout isn’t added your going to be seen as being unfair to the Obama supporters since most of them claim that as their personal victimhood.
Apparently if you call someone an idiotic ideological purist for voting for someone other than your choice they are supposed to welcome those comments with flowers and candy instead of handing it right back to you.
Who knew.
Just how many people do you help by being a fucking asshole?
So, who is tweeting on the whistle exactly? I never offered any moral judgements about sexual preference or LGBT issues, or how you might fit within that framework. You do that all by your lonesome and I must say you really got exorcised about it. Given that the icebergs are melting, the midwest is burning up, toxic emissions are accelerating, the universal soldier is everywhere and the parties are looking to find ways to screw yet again with the safety net, don’t you think you could see your way to be more concerned for the collective? LGBT rights are important, but if your Civil Liberties are sacrificed you will possess many fewer rights than you had 20 years ago. Enabling the prolonged survival of the status quo is not a strategy, its a suicidal delusion.
Because choosing your battles is the smartest way to engage your opponent–neoliberalism. Political posturing (as many do on firedoglake–one of my favorite blogs) is the best way to loose the initiative. Fighting a president Romney (as opposed to another Obama administration) will require much more blood and suffering because the tools of democracy (such as they are today) will be eliminated entirely. Duh.
You are aware the Occupy Movement occurred during the Obama administration right?
I think Barack Obama has done plenty good at removing the tools to democracy.
http://gothamist.com/2011/11/16/justice_dept_official_raids_of_occu.php
I will vote for Jill Stein and the Greens. I was going to vote for Rocky Anderson, but when I heard what Stein and her VP went through, 8 hours handcuffed to a chair (stress position=torture) I decided to cast a protest vote AGAINST the Dems, who like the Rethugs, only want power, not Democracy. And, FUCK Obama, he just said that he would work with the Rethugs on the Grand Bargain if re-elected. Cat food for you all.
You still can’t read what I fecking wrote. Let me help you:
There will be no President Stein in 2008. There are two shitty candidates. I believe that aside from just voting, activism will work better on Obama than Romney, based on gains by people who were actually, you know, active.
That any clearer? ‘Cause remember, there ain’t no President Stein.
I’m not limiting options or blaming, anybody for anything about their Prez vote. Seems to me YOU are. And there still ain’t no President Stein.
Let me make this more clear: I don’t care fuck all who you vote for. This one-time, 4 year event is just one thing. There is tons of opportunities to do more stuff; I do that stuff.
If you can’t grasp that, all broken down nicely, then I shall quit being nice. Seriously I am being nice. Because you’re marginalizing issues that make a great deal of difference to me, like Marriage Equality, while I haven’t marginalized any issue for anybody – at all.
I’m not playing any “substitution” game for issues of importance. Not in the least.
Is not voting to indirectly support Romney Immoral?
…and this is why most people don’t take people like you seriously. “stress-position”? She got exactly the publicity stunt she wanted.
By Saturday her frantic followers will be saying she was water-boarded.
The only reason that Obama is able to murder people by his word and without trial is because his supporters have voted for him, because they participated in putting him in power, because they have rationalized it. It is the same way evil always works: a critical mass of the people agree to participate. Without this popular support, even dictators are impotent.
Every citizen has a personal power and responsibility far greater than their ballot. It is the power to refuse to participate in evil.
What is at stake is the adoption since 9/11 of the Fuehrerprizip, which is an exercise of political power that says that the executive is the Law, and at the same time exists above it. Any President who goes along with this is, for all practical purposes, identical to the others who do the same. In contrast to this most total of all political powers, what other issues are even close to as important in our academic calculus of lesser evils?
And this contrast, “To believe so is to assume that a Romney administration would take a different tact on national security matters,” is so limited and wrongheaded as to be imbecilic. No such assumption is necessary. It is entirely probable for both Obama and Romney to take the same tack. And refusing to participate in the President’s murder is no more self-righteous or impractical than refusing to participate in anyone else’s murder scheme.
Yes, yes, we all know that You and the Other Very Serious People have elected yourselves in charge of what is and isn’t a valid reason to vote for a candidate.
Here I’ll save you the babbling. blah blah blah idiots…blah blah blah purity police…..blah blah blah the world will come to an end if people vote their conscience instead of for Obama, the only choice for the really, really serious people.
(rolls eyes)
There you go again Kelly. I never said I was voting for anyone. You have been good enough to drill home your position once more for me. Now, let me remind you what my point was: Social issues, given the dire problems we face, are simply being used by the Democrats to distract us from what needs to change and what they do not want to change. They will not move on civil liberties, wars, pro-corporatist policies or environmental rescue. If you are at all concerned about these things you will have to find another outlet because you cannot move them the way you could with LGBT. I don’t know if you have read Glenn Greenwald today, but you might want to look into his discussion of the disposition matrix, Obama’s plan to apparently remove the 5th ammendment from the Constitution. Its a secret that we may all be clued into one at a time, in a dark place far from home. Again, let me reiterate, prolonging the survival of the status quo in the hopes it will finally lead us to the promised land is not a methodological strategy, it is delusion, pure and simple.
“Far better to vote for a highly-flawed Obama and congressional candidates who take seriously their responsibility as potential members of a co-equal branch of government to provide the checks and balances vital to sustaining our democracy.”
So here’s the thesis: “Our team is inherently better than their team.” This isn’t an issue of analysis or moral considerations about degrees of evil. It is an argument that rests solely on group identity and articles of faith.
Obama claims the right to kill anyone, anywhere, including American citizens, without due process. Even the Bush administration was not this radical. If you passed 12th grade civics, you will realize that Obama is violating core constitutional principles. This is not a matter of opinion since Obama openly claims powers only exercised in history by monarchs and tyrants. He has eviscerated the Constitution.
I will not vote for him. If someone genuinely believes they must vote for Obama because they feel the is no other course open to them, I refuse to judge them. History is full of examples of unintended consequences and the results of this election will be no different. I will do what I think is right, but hope I have enough humility not to freak out at others who choose differently, however much I may disagree with their reasons.
At no point do I claim any kind of “Promised Land”. What I am saying is there is no President Stein this time around. And you think Romney will be better or eliminate the Disposition Matrix?
Tell me who is deluded again.
That person must think we’re going to get an entirely different Congressional Congress than the ones we’ve had for quite a while. I’m trying to remember what checks and balances are? Are you sure he didn’t mean co equal rubber stampers?
“Should a majority of people choose to always vote for the “lesser evil,” then they end up ensuring that they will not have liberty, they will not have morality and they will end up with exactly those circumstances that they fear.”
Indeed. Succinctly put.
“Lastly, when Obama defended his stance on Section 1021 of the NDAA, he stated that he wouldn’t make full use of the provisions, as he respected “the traditions” of this nation. Someone really should tell the president that our liberty and inherent rights as a people are not a tradition – they are rights.”
In a sense, Obama was right to use the word “traditions.” By continuing to exercise the power of the President to exist above and outside the law in order to murder by executive fiat, everything that used to be a right is reduced to a mere tradition. Once an executive has this kind of unchecked power, the citizens have no legal civil rights within the nation state.
I think this thread is becoming immoral.
Watching you guys bash each other over and over is depressing. Save your energy for the TP brownshirts who’ll be coming out of their village hovels regardless of who is elected.
I think a lot of it is frustration and both sides are pretty much talking past each other.
The people who have chosen to vote for Obama think that any other option isn’t realistic or pragmatic enough. Meanwhile the people who are choosing third parties think that the Obama folk couldn’t possibly be coming from a place of principle or are compromising important ideals.
It is totally within the realm of reason to see a third party choice as pragmatic if you are looking at this election as a long term strategy rather than just a 4 year blip. It’s also totally within the realm of reason that you see enough of a difference between Romney and Obama to be acting on principle.
Obviously he’s a dim-witted Republican ratfucker. The man gets paid, though. Just ask him.
“In a sense, Obama was right to use the word “traditions.” By continuing to exercise the power of the President to exist above and outside the law in order to murder by executive fiat, everything that used to be a right is reduced to a mere tradition. Once an executive has this kind of unchecked power, the citizens have no legal civil rights within the nation state.”
Yeah, but you know, at least he’s not some kind of crazy Republican who’s going to kill all the kittens, like that Romney guy.
Oh, I’m sorry. There are still things like evidence and trials and bringing charges before a judge. What is it freedom o’clock now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZvSqsBX2zU&feature=related
According to the argument laid out in the post, I would guess that, yes, they expect to get an entirely different Congress. But not just that. The argument suggests that if only people from the right team are in positions of power, then everything will be at least less evil. Apart from ignoring (in this argument and every other “lesser evil” one I have come across) the far greater power of institutions over individuals, it all boils down to a sort of thoughtless, selfish tribalism of the sort one sees at a high school pep rally where the home team embodies all that is good and ascendent and the other team everything that is bad and declensionist. This is the exact kind of group mentality it is necessary to inculcate in soldiers in order to get them to kill their subsequently dehumanized opponents.
And I’m sure they will put pressure on their team members, after they have given them their vote, should they stray from doing what is good. By what mechanism such pressure will be applied, I have heard no one say.
The rubber stamping Congress reminds me of Madame Nhu’s response to criticism about the undemocratic nature of Diem’s regime. She said (I’m paraphrasing from memory), “How is it wrong to rubber stamp the laws we have already approved?” To hear her say this revealed that she had absolutely no concept of democracy–or any desire to have one.
I think the claim here is not that Romney will be “better,” but that Romney will be more inept at doing all of the bad things Obama is so skilled at carrying out now.
Romney killed kittens?! I thought he only terrorized his dog.
Some folks, especially in times of crisis when people tend to close ranks, have a hard time recognizing the Good Cop for what he is, and imagine that he is on their side.
http://my.firedoglake.com/cassiodorus/2012/10/25/morality-and-voting-for-obama/
Yes indeedy.
But where does that leave us?
Well, at least there’ll be a record.
Probably
Hopefully.
With electronic yellow crime scene ribbons in the electronic grey rain.
Lordy.
The evidence for that is what exactly?
I mean a successful vulture capitalist, skilled at moving pieces and parts of corporate bits about, avoiding tax regulations and such is somehow inept at skipping around laws and regulations?
Because that’s what Rmoney does. This statement of fact also should not be taken as any sort of approval that Obama skirts what he doesn’t like either.
I had no idea that Romney was anti kitten.
I may have to switch my vote or I’d never be able to look my cats in the eye again.
Kittens are people, my friend.
“This will only end when we stop being enablers . . .”
Indeed. What I have yet to hear from the “lesser evil” proponents is the possibility and potential ramifications of refusing to participate, as if there is no choice but to participate. Participation signifies endorsement. A small example: So many of us bemoan the lack of substance in the Presidential debates on TV. Then we run off to watch them. Well, with this behavior, what do we expect?
I should think that Romney’s ineptness at trying to define his own political position should give you a clue as to how inept he’ll be when he’s actually trying to explain his policy moves to the public and to the Democratic Party opposition if he is “elected” President.
You also have the fact that Romney’s ability to win this year is largely predicated on the fact that most of his prospective voters choose him merely because he’s not Barack Obama:
http://stream.wsj.com/story/campaign-2012-continuous-coverage/SS-2-9156/SS-2-33343/
This isn’t a sign of a future charismatic President moving forward with the support of a loyal public. Expect resistance.
Awwwwww c’mon the guy isn’t that skilled…….if he were, he totally wouldn’t be hiding his tax forms right now.
Where does that leave us?
Trying not to give in to the fear and authoritarianism that siding with the Good Cop demands? Having courage and trusting that our sister or brother being worked over in the other room will have the same brave solidarity? Taking punches from the Bad Cop so we can at least be reminded of what their game is about? Refusing to cooperate with either cop and instead screaming for our lawyer (i.e. the rule of law)?
“With electronic yellow crime scene ribbons in the electronic grey rain.”
Very nicely put.
“This insanity you describe is “fascism” orchestrated by corporate aristocrats using money to hijack a nation and protect business models by funding both political parties and creating gridlock.”
Ding!
If I recommend this diary, do I get a free FUCKING RETARDS FOR OBAMA bumper sticker?
LOL
Rahm is that you?
Well, with discourse like this …
Vote for whoever you want to.
I’m not voting.
Have a nice happy happy day/night.
Shoulda printed those up weeks ago. Damn it. But then again the few other folks about here who would get it, don’t have bumpers.
Why do you hate Obama? He would have to apologize to the mentally handicapped for associating the left with retards again.
I should make that clearer. Some only have sterns and some have only fenders, others really don’t have bumpers.. or even a real tailgate. OK maybe we should put it on something that could be stuck to the side of the dog that’s running loose about town. Now that would be more the target crowd.
Voting for Obama is the worst possible use of a vote in this election.
I would not frame it in terms of morality, though. He’s bad for the nation and the Constitution.
Speaking of the Constitution, I mind less that the Constitutional law lecturer violated the War Powers Resolution vis a vis Libya than that he violated the Constitution vis a vis Libya.
Several members of Congress sued him for it, including a Libertarian/Republican (Ron Paul), a relatively liberal Democrat (Mike Capuano, member of the House Progressive Caucus who voted against both the Iraq War and the Patriot Act when so doing took a profile in courage) and some Republicans.
I am admiring you on how well you did that. For me, both women’s health and choice rights are important. Ditto LGBT issues and rights. But those issues should be a given. But if applauding the proper decisions on those issues means voting for a duplicitous and murderous President, a man who spends Tuesday afternoons deciding who will or won’t be done in by drones, then I guess I am feeling a lot less enthused about applauding.
Tsk, tsk
You must have missed the post where people who don’t vote are uber idiots(apparently there is a movement and everything where they *gasp* call Stein voters sellouts. *heads for my fainting couch while clutching my pearls*) They out idiot the rest of us.
Clearly you are behind on your meta diary reading for the day.
Two more weeks of melodrama left.
It’s easy to see how the Holocaust happened:
We know that Obama is arming the Genocides in Bahrain with poison gas:
Americans stand ready to vote for both the anti-Semitic Genocide in Bahrain and the anti-Slave Genocide in Bahrain:
However bad one may suspect Romney of being deep down, there’s no indication he’s ever supplied anyone with poisonous gas so that they could Murder their uppity Slaves with it.
Last night President Obama told Jay Leno that the problem that South Africa’s problem is they want to sell to Europe, which isn’t spending enough. He didn’t mention the problem that Slaves are being massacred for “illegal [!] strikes.”
So, Black Americans stand ready to vote for Slavery in Bahrain and South Africa. And ready to vote for more Lynch Mobs in Africa, like the one for Kony. Polls say 96% of Black voters will vote against their own interests by voting for the world’s foremost proponent of Slavery and Lynch Mobs, despite the centuries of struggles against them. Martin Luther King would be ashamed.
Night before last, a dejected David Letterman told Rachel Maddow how betrayed he felt by President Obama’s lies in the Debate, and Obama’s sellout on Global Warming.
Well said. Recapitulate all those ugly facts, then tell us to vote for the guy? Not.
Yes, but only if you donate $500, as my wife and I did in the first campaign. Sure wish I had that back for my daughter’s education.
Ohh,i don’t know and i don’t care, i’m not wasting my time analyzing that question,i’m not voting for this
con artist,i won’t give him that pleasure.
Yes OWS was a particularly successful movement. What do you think would have happened under a Koch/Romney Administration?
The idea that these two adversaries are identical is on the face of it absurd. And, I have to believe, that only progressives insulated from the crushing effects of electing Romney would engage in this sort of this equivocation.
It’s not a question of their being “identical”–that’s sophistry, as you must know. It’s whether you support the system, things like racist drone bombing and its accompanying foreign policy, oligarchy–that they both uphold.
This accusation of naivety or refusal to see facts only betrays a much larger naivety.
If you live in a non swing state, as do I, then voting for Obama is immoral in my view. Large blocs of progressives voting Green or Anderson would send a useful message to Dem leaders. Voting for any of them would only be positive reinforcement of horrific behavior.
I have a problem with the title of this piece. It takes a path where every political choice is a matter of morality, not a difference over tactics or strategic direction. This is the thinking that leads to Tea Party thinking.
I’m voting for Stein/Honkala, but I don’t consider Obama voters immoral, just wrong. I want them to eventually work to build the Green Party. But if they are immoral people at their core, then I am writing them off. Thus we radicals would ensure both our purity and our isolation.
summation…a liberal/progressive vote for:
Romney–dems will play tribal politics and suddenly oppose everything they would support under Obama
Obama–he is slightly better on social issues and a potential supreme court justice nomination
third party–platform most closely resembles what I believe
boycott–corrupt system
Isn’t that pretty much it and people go on for hours and hours about it? I can see arguments for all 4 positions honestly and people can do what they will with no indictment on their morality on all 4 positions.
x2. In a non-swing state, it seems to me a vote for Obama is immoral, a tacit endorsement of his executive assassination policy. In a swing state, a vote for Obama seems in order, given the horrendous nature of Romney and the Republicans. Chomsky, by the way, agrees with this analysis.
http://digitaljournal.com/article/317710
Yeah, until you actually examine the comparison carefully.
Lulz. It’s amazing (and amusing) watching all of the people whom I so admire devolve into frothing name-callers.
The whole “vote in the non-swing states” thing is predicated on the writer or speaker not having much of an audience for this advice. “Hey, you five people who are reading my message — if you don’t live in a swing state you have permission to vote third party.”
If we really had vast audiences instead of audiences of three or four Firedoglake readers, we’d be able to say “vote your conscience wherever you live,” and it would stick!
Disagree strongly. The “vote/don’t vote in swing states” idea is a practical one, based on the difference that there IS a difference between Romney and Obama. For those who don’t prefer open fascism to the more calibrated multikulti kind, a swing-state Third Party vote may not be an affordable luxury.
I’m voting for Jill Stein in Florida, but I understand the view of people like my wife who say that we can’t afford it.
A lot of wonderful responses here, makes me remember what FDL was like two + years ago. I see clearly now, for the first time, bluedot12 represents the thinking of Jane & team and their approach to covering this Presidential election. Talk all you want of Bradley Manning, but when it’s time to hold someone accountable for his torture, Manning just doesn’t matter. Talk all you want about how corrupt our mega-banks are, but it doesn’t matter if we hold them accountable. Talk all you want about our DEPLORABLE Health Care system, but it’s just not important enough to fix it. Talk about “the rule of law”, talk, talk, talk. Shame, Shame, Shame.
If all one can imagine is Coke or Pepsi, then the differences between the two are decisive.
With the passing of George McGovern, I saw many posts on FDL that spoke with pride of their vote for him when he ran against Nixon’s second term. I didn’t see anyone putting on record their pride at having voted for Nixon, who had demonstrably continued Johnson’s war and marched in blood forward towards his second term. The idealists lost that election; but something sparked then, and flamed into Watergate, which was a very good thing. And maybe, just maybe, they didn’t lose after all.
My children and their generation will be able to speak with pride that they did not support these last four years with their vote, that they chose a different course and held the torch as high as they possibly could so that future generations could look back, and they themselves, coming to the end of a dedicated and idealistic span of years, could look back with pride.
Whatever happens, something will spark from that devotion to democracy.
And then calling them a name. Yeah, that’s lulz alright.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’ve got no problem with name-callers. It’s the frothing part that gets me.
The difference is I’m not frothing.
Sheesh. If people can’t call each other names on the internet, what is the world coming to?
There’s a moral component to voting, governing, and civic life, but it doesn’t get us far in terms of current electoral choices.
The policies of Obama, Romney and their parties are war, drilling/mining/fracking, austerity, a “security”/surveillance state, ”free” trade agreements, privatization of public services, and the relentless upward transfer of wealth. On important social issues, the most that can be said for Obama and the D’s is that they’re pro-compromise. The policies of both cause, and will cause millions of people to die or suffer great harm. There may be reasons for voting for the Obama version of death and suffering, but they aren’t reasons of morality.
On the other hand, some of us will vote for third party candidates whose policies more directly address moral issues – peace, universal healthcare, programs to end homelessness and unemployment. However, given the likelihood that not enough people will vote for these candidates to win the election, or even affect the outcome, we can’t claim the mantle of morality either.
Decide where you want our country to go and how you think we get there. If you think it’s a good strategy to continue voting for Dems, vote for them. If you think voting for a third party can either help build that party or send a message to the D’s that they need to rebuild, vote third party.
But if we want to claim we’re making a moral choice it needs to be more than a choice on how we vote. There’s a world of political party, community, work-place, and issue-oriented activism that we can join or support in whatever way we are able.
Well someone needed to say it.
I realize this was not intended to be funny, but it’s quite hilarious:
Folks in congress take their responsibility seriously? Their responsibility to donors, I assume! Ha! Checks and balances? LOL!
Lesser evilism only works when the lesser evil is genuinely LESSER. But this is not the case anymore. Romney didn’t insist and get the power to disappear people for any little reason in his head, that was Obama. To vote for BO is to vote for tyranny, just as a vote for Mitt is.
Either way, it’s largely the same.
Good post and I must say very entertaining comments. I would not question anyone’s morality just based upon their vote. Does not make good sense to me, but that is just me. Personally I voted for Jill. I figure it is just for self preservation and am actually beginning to believe we will all be better off just throwing Obama under the bus this time out. With Romney running the White House and the dems running the senate in opposition, we will all have a better chance at beating this grand bargain and saving social security. Bargaining with Obama in charge can be lethal. I prefer gridlock.
And in the end isn’t “purity and isolation” what you and all other Progressive/Green/Socialists want?
Because if the above mentioned do gain a position of political power in the US they would become as corrupt/immoral as the current two parties.
You don’t think the game is rigged? The billions going into this campaign? Why the president isn’t even elected by apopular vote. Not much of a democracy in my book.
Is your argument that the Occupiers would have been shot rather than merely arrested and that that the Romney administration would have coordinated that?
As far as I can see coordinating efforts to arrest people engaging in their first amendment rights is pretty freaking awful and I can PROVE that it happened under THIS administration. THIS administration can arrest someone and unlawfully detain them ad infinitum without charges.
I’m not sure how you argue that into a “Romney will be worse” unless you intend on providing me examples that would lead me to believe that Romney would just blatantly out and out kill protesters? I’m pretty sure you can’t draw that line and not sound paranoid.
Voting for a proponent of Slavery, Torture, Genocide, War Crimes, Lynch Mobs, and Banksterism: Is that immoral? Hmmmm…
If Obama loses the election, you can blame/thank the Right for bamboozling him. How is it ethical that an entire news network questions the President’s citizenship for four years to create doubt in voters while a fringe element of the far right demonizes and degrades him? Most of this is financed by the rich who want to keep their stranglehold on the flow of wealth in our country. Watch the white hands apply the Blackface to our first African-American President at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html
No it is not. And by the way, have you stopped beating your wife?
And to top it off: A year ago Fox confessed to Bribery of public officials and police in the UK: President Obama is thereby empowered and ethically obliged to have their business licenses removed. He has refused to do so. Network news predicted months ago that he would wait until after the Election: That Obama would let Fox work at rigging and confusing the Election without removing their licenses. He has.
I’m assuming that you are joking.