
Two Roads Diverge (Photo: bepster, flickr)
The Occupy Movement couldn’t have come along at a worse time, from the viewpoint of the Democrats. Election season is just getting started and Occupy has thrown a giant wrench into the political machinery. Some labor leaders too are sensing “politics as usual” shifting under their feet; the “get out the vote” for the Democrats may elicit blank stares from the rank and file.
Occupy has the potential to create earthquakes within the labor movement and labor’s relationship to the Democrats, if it approaches the subject intelligently. This seismic shift could permanently change politics in the United States, much for the better.
Many commentators have noted that the Occupy Movement can be only poison for the Democrats. Unlike the Republicans, who benefited from the corporate sponsored far-right Tea Party, the Democrats have no intention of moving — or even flirting — with an independent movement to its left. Long before the corporate Presidency of Bill Clinton, the Democrats have moved only to the right, with the leftist talk reserved strictly for election campaigns.
This evolution is now to the point where President Obama stands to the right of President and arch-Conservative Richard Nixon on most economic and social issues. Times have certainly changed. In an effort to pretend that times haven’t changed, some labor leaders are obsessed with comparing the modern Democrats with the modern Republicans, the latter who have evolved into a party that openly denies evolution and disdains all things non-corporate. Comparing Democrats with Republicans in this distorted manner certainly makes Democrats look good, while also avoiding the real issues at stake.
And then came Occupy. Real issues are now being talked about. Occupy has successfully pointed out the absurd policies of both corporate owned political parties. This disruption has created open hostility from Republicans and Democrats, the latter have stood silent as local riot police– controlled mainly by Democratic Party administrations– have attacked peaceful Occupy protesters all over the country.
Even the eternally loyal Democrat Daily Kos website has spewed anti-Democrat anger over this: “The deafening silence from Congress, from both the Democratic and Republican parties, and President Obama on the abuse of civilians exercising the right to assemble, and the right to freedom of speech, speaks volumes as to the priorities, concerns and goals of the political class in D.C. We should be very, very concerned and angry over this silence…Silence is in fact, complicity.” (November 16, 2011).
The labor movement sees a natural ally in Occupy and is openly embracing it, to varying degrees. Of course the two movements are mutually compatible: labor has been fighting off and on against corporations since unions were born. The Occupy Movement is breathing fresh air into the working people’s movement, and the unions had better go “all in” with Occupy, lest they stand alone and become totally irrelevant.
The labor movement thus has a foot in both worlds; one in step with the Occupy Movement and the other with the Democrats, who are working to crush Occupy outright. Labor’s split personality is obviously unsustainable; something has got to give. A stark example of these incompatible positions was put forth by Mary Kay Henry, President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), when she discussed SEIU’s recent endorsement of President Obama:
“We need a leader [Obama] willing to fight for the needs of the 99 percent . . . .Our economy and democracy have been taken over by the wealthiest one percent.”
What?! Corporations gave Obama far more money than his previous Republican opponent, John McCain. Corporations are again giving Obama more money than his current Republican counterparts. He doesn’t need the dues money of union workers; he’s already flush with corporate cash.
Mary Kay Henry is just one of several top labor officials who frame the Occupy Movement as a battle against “the right wing,” i.e., Republicans. In response to this argument, Glenn Greenwald of Salon commented:
“…pretending that the ongoing [Occupy] protests are grounded in the belief that the GOP is the party of the rich while the Democrats are the party of the working class is likely to fool just about nobody other than those fooled by that already” (November 19, 2011).
If labor plans on being relevant to the Occupy Movement — and this means being relevant at all in the near future — major changes must occur. And although many Occupiers have expressed concern about Labor having ulterior motives to co-opt the Occupy Movement, the threat is greatly exaggerated.
Most labor unions are politically co-opted by the Democrats. Labor still needs a national political voice. Though the mass actions of the Occupy Movement have done more to change the political climate than the millions who voted for Obama, most of Labor’s entrenched leadership remain attached to the Democrats in an illusory attempt to have a national voice.
In practice this means that labor ignores the pro-corporate policies of Democratic politicians while unions water down its demands to make them compatible with the positions of Democrats. Occupy won’t stand for this, or even listen to it.
Some major examples of labor’s neutered pro-Democrat Party politics are:
-National labor unions largely ignored the fact that Democratic Governors, elected with the help of the unions, recently forced major concessions on public sector unions all over the country, substantially weakening the larger labor movement.
-Labor’s political subservience to the Democrats also means that, instead of demanding a real jobs program, labor is reduced to supporting Obama’s truly pathetic jobs program, which would create a million or so jobs, when 20 million plus are needed.
-Worse yet is labor’s virtual inaction in response to Obama’s Super Committee, which intends to cut the national budget deficit on the backs of working people, especially by slashing Medicare and Medicaid, and very likely Social Security, creating a precedent for even larger cuts in the future.
This amounts to perhaps the biggest single attack on working people in recent U.S. history, as it would dramatically affect the lives of hundreds of millions of people. While AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka has made some strong statements against these cuts, neither he, nor any of the other top labor officials, have called for what is really needed, which is a massive, nationally coordinated mobilization of the ranks of the labor movement and labor’s allies, the 99%, to take to the streets of America to demand of the government: No Cuts! No Concessions! Tax the Rich!
If labor plans on building a strong movement with Occupy — and they had better — then these suicidal pro-Democratic Party policies must end. Labor cannot earn credibility within the Occupy Movement and then completely change course to campaign for Obama, in effect throwing all credibility in the garbage. If labor puts forth watered down demands — like Obama’s jobs bill — it will elicit no response from the vast majority of Occupiers and their supporters.
The Occupy Movement recognizes the dire economic situation the country is in and is not held back by mainstream politicians. This gives the Occupy Movement an amazing chance to lead labor down the right path. There is a wide gulf between the demands that the labor movement and the Democratic Party are putting forward and what working people desperately need. Occupy would not exist were this not the case.
Therefore, Occupy must address the nationwide social crisis in a serious way that can unite working people, and help drive the labor movement forward in the process. For example, instead of the labor movement merely demanding End the Bush Tax Cuts, Occupy could demand Tax the 1% at 90% (as it was under Franklin Delano Roosevelt).
Instead of labor demanding that Obama’s Jobs bill be passed, the Occupy Movement should demand that revenue from taxing the rich be used to create 20 million new jobs, a federal jobs program similar to the one implemented in the 1930s, but bigger. Most importantly, Occupy could start a national campaign demanding NO CUTS to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid by taxing the rich and corporations.
Taxing the rich should be a critical demand of the Occupy movement, since it naturally unites working people against cuts and produces revenue that can create jobs. Taxing the rich is also the demand that naturally emerges from the slogan “We Are the 99%,” which reveals the giant wealth disequilibrium that has happened in the country, in large part due to the shrinking tax rates of the rich.
There is plenty of room for Occupy to prove its political independence by putting forth demands that will discredit the Democrats and lead Labor towards campaigns that the majority of working people will join, making Occupy/Labor an unstoppable force. If occupy mobilizes over key demands that resonate with the majority, the unions will follow. They will have no choice, since their rank and file will already be following Occupy.
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Shamus Cooke is a social service worker, trade unionist and writer for Workers Action (www.workerscompass.org)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/16/1037192/-The-Silence-of-the-Democratic-Party-is-Complicity
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/heres_what_attempted_co_option_of_ows_looks_like/singleton/



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The Democrats are as much a part of the problem as the Republicans. It it past time for an actual liberal party in this country.
One idea I saw elsewhere might be helpful. I read that the police unions have agreements of support with the AFL-CIO. What if a resolution was introduced saying that the AFL-CIO wouldn’t support police unions any more, based on the conduct of police officers in suppressing Americans’ free speech rights?
Either way, it’s a lose-lose for them. If they just kill the resolution outright, it helps demonstrate that they think that killing off protests and defending the Democrats is more important than anything else. It might provoke a split.
If the resolution actually passes, then the police have to think about how well off they’d be trying to negotiate directly with the 1%, with absolutely no backing from anyone else.
This is a great portrait of our true American history. The answer to our problems are clearly carve into our history ever since the Second World War. We have been on the fast track back into the Dark Ages since the birth of Fox News and the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Becks. The Occuply movement is trying to open up the minds of common sense Americans. Labor Unions clearly made mistakes but mistakes can be corrected. Our Labor Unions that gave us a middle class have never been more needed. United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
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I think you’re full of shit. Occupy is a movement that’s directed at the 1%. Greenwald and you and the others wish it were directed against the government but it’s directed against those who have destroyed the economy and taken more than their share. Among the 99% are people of all persuasions including a lot of labor people and a lot of people who support political parties, and a lot of people who don’t.
Occupy takes as a central tenet that corporate personhood must go and that Citizens United must go. Glenn Greenwald was full throated and unabashed in his defense of Citizens United and corporate personhood. Are you going to demand the same litmus tests of him that you now demand of organized labor?
Great post. hope it gets put on the front page
I think you’re misreading the diarist (and perhaps other things). I agree that Occupy is a movement that is directed at the 1%. I disagree that the government can be so easily and starkly separated from the 1% as you seem to imply. The 1% have been able to do what they do because of the government–that is, because our elected officials are complcit with them. These officials include Democrats, Republicans, and others. It simply isn’t possible, rationally, to separate “being against the 1%” from “being against the organs of implementation of the whim of the 1%” (which in this case is the complex of current political parties, lobbyists, etc.).
The point of the diary, as I understand it, is that Organized Labor can either continue to support Democrats, and therefore the 1%, or it can “get with the program” and start supporting the 99.
I don’t think there is any real difference between the Tea Party ‘movement’ and the Occupy Wall Street ‘movement’. Both were coopted from the beginning, both sought to channel real grass roots anger and outrage back into the (fascist) ‘major’ parties, and both sought to enrage the ‘other’ side, driving left and right back behind their respective barricades, and keeping populism safely split.
A broad based populist movement is the ONLY way forward.
You know, ondelette, I really don’t get where you’re coming from with your statement that “others wish it were directed against the government but it’s directed against those who have destroyed the economy and taken more than their share.” I’m hoping you can clarify what you mean by that.
Do you not see the wealthiest 1% as a group that has a disproportionate influence over the government? Aren’t the two tied together? Isn’t the influence of 1% money on the people’s government a significant part of what OWS is all about? Hasn’t “government” been acting to serve “special interests” instead of the interests of all Americans? Do you only blame the special interests and not the corrupted government that caters to them? If someone bribes a government official, do you only blame the person offering the bribe and not the elected official who accepted it?
I’m also not clear what your point is about organized labor. Is your argument that you have no problem with organized labor continuing to support the Democratic Party? Do you think our perverted system of rich-get-richer governance is only the fault of the Republican Party?
Didn’t both parties vote for the bailout, the wars, the free trade agreements that exported American-based jobs, the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the renewal of the Bush tax cuts. And, isn’t it “government”, be it local or national, that has been responsible for the abusive treatment of the Occupy protesters themselves? Doesn’t the government that has done all these things deserve any blame?
Real wages for the average American worker have not increased since 1973 in spite of a doubling of worker productivity. During many of those intervening years, Democrats had full control of the White House and Congress. Should labor unions not be concerned about that? The concentration of wealth, among the 1%, has gotten worse and worse no matter which corporate party controlled our government.
I just don’t understand how you can separate what the government has done from the focus on the 1%. The 1% are not acting independently from government; they are controlling government. To me, the two are integrally related and to blame one for the plight of Americans without blaming the other makes no sense.
I don’t see a shred of evidence that OWS has anything to do even remotely with the Democrats. You’re going to have to do a lot of work to support that statement.
It doesn’t, but a lot of democrats (see, e.g. Daily Kos) and a lot of the complicit kabuki-playing media are trying very hard to make it seem otherwise. Republicans and Democrats would both benefit immenseley if “OWS” became associated with “Democratic Party” one way or the other. And so partisan hacks in both tribes are going to try as hard as they can to make that happen. It hasn’t happened, yet, but it would be foolish in my view to ignore the danger.
Excellent post. If Occupy is to grow, and it must to succeed, it needs four key constituencies: 1. more commitment from “socialist left”, 2. progressive Democrats 3. organized labor 4. alienated non-voters.
The only area of your post that concerns me, though, is this:
“The Occupy Movement is breathing fresh air into the working people’s movement, and the unions had better go “all in” with Occupy, lest they stand alone and become totally irrelevant.
The labor movement thus has a foot in both worlds; one in step with the Occupy Movement and the other with the Democrats, who are working to crush Occupy outright. Labor’s split personality is obviously unsustainable; something has got to give.”
I couldn’t agree more that labor should go “all in” with Occupy and dump the Dems. But… suppose they don’t. I think, at least until Occupy grows much larger and becomes far more powerful, labor is likely to keep one foot on the platform and the other foot on the train. It’s not clear their current approach is “unsustainable”. I think they’re hedging their bets. Labor isn’t going to “become totally irrelevant” as long as the Dems need their money and their campaign workers. I wish that weren’t true and that they were essentially forced to go “all in” with Occupy. I think that’s where their, and our, best interests lie. But where’s the leverage? Occupy fully supports labor’s issues. Occupy isn’t going to alter its agenda just because labor doesn’t “show up” in sufficient numbers.
Even if Occupy lays out the perfect pro-worker agenda, labor really won’t pay a price by hedging its bets and that’s exactly what I think they’ll do. Trumka dropped his little bombshell on Democrats a few months ago and then Obama issued his “jobs” program that caused Trumka to back away from his remarks. I’m sure he “got a little something” out of the deal. The message is all too clear:, stick with the Dems and we can negotiate, take a walk, go “all in” with Occupy, and you’re going to have a long, long wait if you want us to help you.
Thus, the question remains, if labor is served by remaining in two camps, what strategy, if any, can Occupy employ to drive a wedge between Democrats and labor?
We need candidates that labor can get behind. Without candidates, the DNC meme is accurate….labor has no one to vote for but mainstream, corporate-owned, Dems.
And we need candidates quickly. Every Californian should be encouraging someone to primary Feinstein…I suggest Robert Reich. And every member of the 99% should be finding someone to primary Obama….or at least some Progressive name for all of us to write in.
If we’re going to be silly enough to accept an Obama victory by writing in “Mike Check” as has been suggested here of FDL, we’re far better off writing in the name of an actual Progressive voice.
This is the most common sense thing I have read herein in some time. Only by electing solid progressives will anything change.
You apparently still think the 2012 election matters. This isn’t about 2012, or 2014 or 2016 even. It literally doesn’t matter who wins any of the elections this next November. Taking them seriously just encourages and reinforces the existing system, which is so corrupt and broken as to be laughable if it weren’t so deadly. To riff on one of the best movies of the 80s, the only way to win is not to play (at least, not by the given rules anyway).
“If one sets aside the hollow references to Henry and her fellow executives as “labor leaders,” and considers them as well-heeled business figures, the years of the first Obama administration have been good to them.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/nov2011/seiu-n19.shtml
I agree with wsws.org. Mary Kay Henry and her ilk are not labor leaders. They are business executives or, as wsws goes onto conclude:
“…part of the lower-level management of American capitalism.”
“There is plenty of room for Occupy to prove its political independence by putting forth demands that will discredit the Democrats and lead Labor towards campaigns that the majority of working people will join, making Occupy/Labor an unstoppable force”.
That would be nice if it would happen, but from what I have read from some of the organizers of Occupy, and the way they are trying to avoid putting forth concrete demands, it is starting to smell like the point of the protest is the protest itself.
By not having clarity they are being defined by the media and others as something they probably are not.
Don’t wait for Occupy to tilt the playing field for the next elections. If they don’t morph into something with a clearer vision they will be irrelevant. I think they are approaching a point where they are about to lose support from a large part of the public.
Instead, concentrate on 3rd party or other movements that do have a clear message of the kind of change that we need.
Golly Justin…if opposing Fascism is as easy as just refusing “play”, as in a game of Tic Tac Toe, perhaps you could tell us why that didn’t occur to FDR and Eisenhower when they were faced with the problem?
Still…you’re to be commended for at least having a viewpoint…which is probably more than can be said for the rest of your sophmore class…and I’m sure your professor will take the depth of your views into account when he grades your thesis.
For any interested, Glenn Greenwald’s defense of CU vs. FEC:
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/22/citizens_united/
I suppose tired insults and empty appeals to authority and context-absent historical references might win some over.
I, however, have the ability to think and reason, so you’re going to have to try harder.
Good piece. Don’t forget the free trade deals Obama just signed or plans to sign. Those alone should make labor rebel.
And my point is that labor is part of the 99 percent and has been for a very long time. And that if you go poll the people in the Occupy tents nationwide, you will find that many of them support a variety of political interests, including (from a political poll taken, that was posted here, by someone, which I am not going to bother to look up) 39% saying they would be voting for Obama in the next election, a large number saying they would vote but didn’t know for whom, and a large number saying they wouldn’t vote and a lot of other constituencies.
We’ve had numerous people from FDL chastise any hint of people in OWS supporting Obama or supporting democrats, and now you’re offering up a litmus test for Organized Labor and telling them what they have to do. And what do you or Glenn or anyone else have to do to qualify?
Glenn delivered such a rant the other day, but he was careful to say he didn’t hold it against OWS people if they supported candidates, even Obama. He knows better, even though he castigates people regularly for that kind of political view. 99% is a pretty big number and they are in the tents and he is not. Besides, like I said, he supported up and down the block Citizens United v FEC, as did the ACLU before and after. And in his comments on that one he defended corporate personhood as settled law. But should he run a litmus test gauntlet? Absolutely not. He’s supporting OWS and that’s what’s important.
You people with your internet searches and your history back to the year dot and your recriminations and your I remember when that guy said this, and your Elizabeth Warren put force on the table that, you’re the reason why protest was dead in this country for 30 years. I know, because I watched it die. It died from repression from the right wing, the counterculture died from jumping on it to capitalize, but most of all it died from a thousand cuts from people who just couldn’t allow the miniscule differences of others and join hands on anything because the guy next to them wasn’t pure as the driven snow, and didn’t support Mummia or didn’t support this or didn’t have enough street cred on that.
Fuck that shit. 99% is 99%. I can’t be at the demonstrations because of the work I do, which I can’t talk about here, either. But I can come here and tell people as an EMT what works with pepper spray. I can do my bit. And if that isn’t good enough because there’s going to be the same tired 1980s and 1990s gauntlets of litmus tests of 50 or 60 things that people have to do to be allowed to support the movement, MARK MY WORDS. The movement will die. There are people just waiting for that to happen. So just stuff it with what Organized Labor has to do to measure up to your demands. Let them march. Let them battle with the 1%. It’s not like you can win without as big a crowd as you can get.
Everyone who isn’t part of the 1% should be going all-in with the OWS movement.
All 3 branches of the federal government, both political parties, the Federal Reserve, the Wall Street banks, the mainstream media, and the corporations that make up the military industrial complex have been captured by and exclusively serve the interests of the 1%.
We no longer have a functioning democracy because candidates for national office are preselected and the “final” decision regarding who wins an election is determined by hackable voting machines.
Who anyone votes for no longer matters and it won’t matter until we have a revolution that gets rid of the voting machines and limits campaign financing to public funding.
The Democratic Party will continue to try and destroy the OWS revolution with one hand hidden in a glove as it tries to coopt it with money using the other. Therefore, it should be regarded as the enemy. That is, part of the corrupted and rotten-to-the-core government that must be overthrown and replaced.
If labor or any other group attempts to have their cake and eat it too by supporting the Democratic Party and supporting OWS, it will end up nowhere.
This is a revolution, damnit, and hedging bets is a certain ticket to shame and oblivion.
I have concluded that third parties are a waste of time and effort because our democracy has been captured and corrupted by money and the results of any election are determined by hackable voting machines that are controlled by the 1%.
Our government has been seized by the 1% and we have to take it back nonviolently.
Discussing party politics distracts people from where their attention should be focused.
For the record, labor’s leadership is as corrupt and bought off as D leadership.
They say one thing, but their actions reflect the orders they are following for their true masters, the 1%.
I believe this distinction between labor’s leadership and labor should be made and specificity be exercised in statements.
Ah ya, what you said.
Nailed it.
But it’s not labor that’s the problem. It’s labor’s leadership, that are as corrupt and bought off as the D leadership. Both follow orders of their 1% masters.
Small distinction, but one I believe needs to be made.
I personally agree about the voting issue. The whole system is corrupt, and it’s rotting at the very core.
Thanks for pointing that out. I agree and I apologize for neglecting to make that clear in my comment.
Also, union leadership is not unique for having been co-opted. The leadership of many organizations from A to Z have been co-opted as Jane Hamsher noted when she added the term “veal pen” to our political lexicon.
My point is that it is now time for people to decide if they are on the bus or off the bus. If they are on the bus (i.e., they support OWS), and the organization or organizations to whom they belong are not on the bus, then they need to sever their relationships with and stop supporting those organizations.
Burn those membership cards.
Burn baby burn.
I don’t have a problem with the following:
1) People who are part of labor unions (i.e. actual laborers, the rank-and-file members)
2) People who want to vote for anybody, nobody, or just some people, ballot measures, etc.
All I wanted to get across was two points: first, that it isn’t possible to separate the political parties from the processes and system that the 1% have been able to use to do what they do; second, that Big Labor (as in, the organizational and structural leadership) is part of that group, and therefore part of the 1%, and I will remain very skeptical of their motives until they prove otherwise.
If you want to call that a “litmus test” and lash out irrationally that’s your thing. More power to you.
Shamus, or should I say Seamus.
Could not agree more.
Speaking as a proud former member of
ITGWU Irish Transport and General Workers Union
IVG&ATA Irish Vintners, Grocers & Allied Trades Associates
MNA Michigan Nurses Association
MNA Minnesota Nurses Association
current member (although lapsed in dues)
IWW
As for supporting candidates, corporate corruption, Trade Union leadership and the broken electoral system. Could not agree more.
Problem is- it is difficult talking to any Union about help or endorsement (not to mention peace groups, environmental groups etc etc) when you point out the Democrats complicity in, well take your pick.
We are out there, begging for help and support.
As an aside, our campaign website michaelcavlan.org has been bought by someone else and is now a pro Republican site. Hopwever- we have created a facebook site Michael Cavlan for US Senate 2012 and are looking to talk to people. You can contact us there. For the record, I was an Official Observer in the Ohio Re-Count 2004, so I also speak on the broken electoral system and just how flawed and corrupted it is.
Michael Cavlan
Candidate US Senate 2012
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Oh and recc’ed and why has this piece not been updated to front page? It needs to be. It is a critical question that needs to be asked.
Some of us will never gat aboard with the tea party’s anti-immigrant rage. It may have been co-opted but its roots are steeped in hatred. I will stand with the unions and not the tea party. If OWS needs to build a coalition, it won’t be with the tea party.
Yep, burn up your union cards which you are lucky to have in today’s economy and help the 1% destroy the unions.
“I’m also quite skeptical of the apocalyptic claims about how this decision will radically transform and subvert our democracy by empowering corporate control over the political process. ” Glenn Greenwald back in 2010 on the Citizens United Vs. FEC ruling. He also scoffed at those of us that contend $$ does not equal free speech. Glen was IMHO wrong on Citizens and the proof is now sitting in Congress. It has markedly tipped the playing field in favor of Corps. and the 1%. As for the $$= speech thing the last 35 yrs. shows how that’s turned out. Today we live in a Plutocracy we didn’t in 1975. Money became speech just about the time the tide turned toward today’s Oligarchy / Plutocracy. Is it a coincidence Glenn? I doubt it.
The 1% don’t need the help of rank-and-file union members. They have the union leadership to do it for them.
Why must labor unions choose between Democrats and Occupy? Aren’t electoral politics and street activism separate arenas?
Yours is the type of hazy, ideological divisiveness that will serve only to marginalise Occupy before it can become anything like the “seismic shift” you predict, and can occur only if we ignore about half the population and all of the organized working class, as it is currently organised.
Are unions corrupt? yes.
Is the democratic Party corrupt? yes.
Do you have an operational, working alternative to either? no
Obama politically is quite a bit to the right of Ronald Reagan, too.
1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/02/05/142288/reagan-centennial/
Reagan never executed any American citizens without a trial.
Reagan’s only invasion was Grenada. Grenada is only gets one half credit.
Agreed in full Mr. Cooke, thanks for your work and your musings above. Rcc’d.
Reaganomics brought us to where we are now. He was a union busting rich man’s president. Don’t buy the St. Ronnie myth.
“Glenn Greenwald was full throated and unabashed in his defense of Citizens United and corporate personhood. ”
I don’t recall this . . . not at all.
“And my point is that labor is part of the 99 percent and has been for a very long time.”
You have a very, very misguided notion of labor, labor leaders and the rank and file of the past 4 decades.
You ignore the diary points regarding labor selling out and being beholden to the dems and to the 1%.
You ignore history, the real history, not the revisionist gilded lily version you paint.
http://www.wsws.org We all know there’s no difference between dems and repubs. Join the socialist fight!
Thanks Kurt, I had not seen this . . . frankly, I concur with Greenwald for the most part A good read, whose points and entirety have been COMPLETELY bastardized to fit Ondelette’s much mistaken POV.
Imka, that’s rubbish and so incoherently misguided and misconstrued I hesitate to reply . . . so yer a part of a parallel universe, right? Just a lil glitch in the space/time continuum. Ok, dat’s kewl . . .
Outstanding comment WT, thanks . . . the fact of the matter is labor’s leadership is all in with the dims, using the rank and file’s dues to please the dims and 1% in the process while selling out the ran and file deal after deal.
4 decades of this can’t be revisionist shaped as some are trying to do . . .
Really liked your comment . . .
I see. So if actually called on people, you will say that you don’t have a problem with them, and you will split hairs to find a group within the group that you can accept and make a new group with whom you have a problem and paste them with the 1% label. Do you know their income so you can make sure you are accurately doing that? As for the last bit about irrationality, it’s an ad hominem, not very apropos, and not appropriate.
The leadership of the ILWU did not support a strike at the Port of Oakland during the General Strike. They did inform the rank and file that they could individually walk off the job if they so desired. The reason for that behavior was that if the leadership had supported the strike, the union would have officially acted in sympathy with a strike, and they would have violated the Taft-Hartley Act provisions specifically passed to prevent General Strikes in Oakland and elsewhere after the previous Oakland General Strike.
So what you had was the leadership didn’t support the strike, the webpage had no announcement about the strike, except for a reference to some other (AFL-CIO) webpage. And a rank and file that walked off in sufficient numbers to have a big Occupy protest. Which no doubt leads to comments like yours.
But if the leadership had supported the strike, the law would have kicked in and the cops, and federal marshals, could have moved in immediately. So maybe there was a reason for doing it the way they did.
Is that the leadership you want to criticize as 1%?
How do you know why people support what they support? Why don’t you just let them support OWS and be done with it? Why do you throw down gauntlets and issue ultimatums?
Justin, spot on.
The system is owned and controlled and as such is gamed to PREVENT the election of progressives.
What must be done is to wrest the ownership of the system at hand from the 1% Corporate Fascists who own and operate the Judiciary, Congress and The Executive . . . and the rest of the country top to bottom.
Now, how that ownership is WRESTED from the might of the 1%, I don’t know. But Occupy is almost a NATURAL manifestation of the abuse of the masses by the 1%.
They NEVER know when enough is enough . . . n once the needs of the many are subordinated for the pleasures of the few, history tells us failure of said system is surely at hand.
I think the proof is pretty fucking self evident . . . thanks for your comment.
Right the fuck on Ondelette!!
Very well stated, precise and penetrating the pwoggie fog.
I have a diary up now that addresses these same sentiments but unfortunately a lot less colourfully than these two excellent rants that you posted here.
Indeed, Mason.
Mason and Tamber BOTH shoot and SCORE!
Thanks folks nice to see some sensical fonts instead of the abuse of the poor white space FDL provides for our musings.
Agreed.
Sadly many union members are like D loyalists, and are eager and willing to march to their own doom because they think there’s a unicorn waiting for them there.
It’s just sad.
No, no, and no. I have none of these. I have a very clear history of movements that turn on their constituencies and start filtering them for purity. I also began warning from the very beginning about FireDogLake believing that because it was doing a lot to support Occupy, that it would begin to believe it could speak for Occupy. It has now fully done so. Whereas what limited polling within OWS, and around OWS that has been done has shown a large mix of constituencies coming together on unifying topics, FDL has a very focussed agenda about the government that OWS lacks.
This particular article brings that difference into stark clarity. Take a while and play with this interactive graph:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/09/us/ows-grid.html?scp=2&sq=occupy%20graph&st=cse
You’re going to find that the opinion on Occupy is very strong but far less politically charged and oriented against the government and parties than it is here at FDL. The people that are risking splitting with the 99% are you, not the Occupy movement, and not the rest of the country.
That’s what I’m talking about. The history of protest movements since the middle of the last century. Someone, like you people, comes in and demands a lot of purity. Demands that large constituencies stand aside. Because that is what you are really starting to do. People don’t see your fine hair splitting, they see your relentless Obama bashing and your relentless anti-Democrat stuff. And if they support Occupy but they see you as the face of Occupy and you are saying (about someone else, like labor leaders — their labor leaders, whom they voted for in the last union election) “Those people are out of the movement because they are in with the Democrats.” And they think, “Well, I’ve voted for Democrats since Johnson, and I thought I supported Occupy, and Trumka said we should support Occupy, but now it looks like Occupy hates us,” well, go gild your own lilies, Larue. You are old enough to know what I’m talking about.
The fuck they are. He supported the decision because he believes that corporate personhood is settled law, and therefore that the only issue in Citizens United is one of free speech, and that’s the way he argued it in the piece you read. If you go read the oral arguments for the case, you will find that no less a legal scholar than Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg disagreed. You can discuss the relative abilities to interpret the Constitution between these two and then you can apologize to me.
The tea party was formed by the far right to replace the religious right which Americans were getting wise to as the diving force for the far right. In case no one has noticed we have never been this divided since the Civil war.
Well said Justin. We have a broken system where the people elected do the same thing, serve the same interests regardless of which party and personality cult they lay claim to. If there is fascism, the whole system and both parties deserve that label, not just one.
As I filter these replies to this post I find that the the majority are for ows. I believe it be wonderful if we could come to a master plan to help ows to help us.
“What must be done is to wrest the ownership of the system at hand from the 1% Corporate Fascists who own and operate the Judiciary, Congress and The Executive . . . Now, how that ownership is WRESTED from the might of the 1%, I don’t know. ”
Don’t worry Larue, Justin doesn’t have a clue either…or Ceidren Voe. Justin has some vague idea of doing it by not playing by “the given rules”…which is naive.
To use Justin’s Tic Tac Toe game analogy (from a bad 1980′s movie for teeny boppers) in this real-world game of politics:
-If you don’t play, you lose (Justin’s solution)
-If you play and lose…well, you lose.
-If you play and win…you win.
Playing to win is the only choice, regardless of difficulty.
We need solid Progressive candidates ASAP.
Labor must choose between “Labor” and the “Democrats”!
Well, short of violent revolution, there are certain approaches we can all take.
Among these would be to engage the system in a way outside of the pre-approved methods the stooges of the 1% lay out. These are easy to spot: cajoling one to support either R or D, or to support an existing entrenched “third” party (which are really just distractions meant to keep some in their veal pens). One way to engage outside these pre-approved means is, well, doing what OWS is doing: ignoring them and raising everybody’s voice simultaneously. Another is to work for political change outside of the nonsensical tribalism of the sort Navigator advocates. Specific candidates at this time are going to fall into one of two categories: members of the two-sided One Percenter Party, or the irrelevant political equivalent to cuckolds. This isn’t likely to change until there is a far more supportive political structure backing the specific “better” candidates’ interests.
For my part, I have started an effort to collect in a sort of nexus information on campaign and electoral reform efforts (www.cfernow.org). Many in the OWS movement would disagree that political action of that specific and direct nature is useful at this time. I think it’s important to begin building a foundation for it, but (as might be obvious) I’m sympathetic to their view.
the sad thing is, the government had already been bought, long before Citizen’s United.
pfft. You don’t like what ondelette said. What you are doing is here is passive aggressive purity trolling and keeping score in the comments.
I agree with the premise of what ondellete said with the exception of GG.
The head line of this article is an ultimatum. Telling Labor that it must choose is splitting. SEIU’s President Mary Kay Henry has already split herself off from SEIU employees and it’s up to them what they choose to do.
There are tons of concern diaries about OWS here on MyFDL so she’s right about that, not from Kevin though.
supporting OWS doesn’t mean they have to burn their veal pen union cards, nor should they be asked to make a choice. If someone wanted me to make a choice like that I’d tell them to shove off.
“Small distinction”
Crucial distinction, and one some seem to have missed.
Depends on how you define the meaning of invasion.
Are you familiar with Iran/ Contra? It was his dirty war in Nicaragua, and they even mined their Harbor.
Reagan supported a genocide in Guatemala.
And Lebanon was occupied. How old are you?
Hmm, apparently the people who cry loudest about “purity tests” are concern trolls. Interesting.
The Democratic Party is not working in the interest of the 99% (as noted, it hasn’t done so for longer than some of us have been alive). Therefore, it is not in in the interest of the 99% to work for the Democratic Party. Quod erat demonstratum.
The fact that a minority of those polled in the camps are not yet ready to state that outright hardly changes the issue. There is no future in supporting the enemy, in hoping for incremental progress when revolutionary change is needed. That’s not “purity”, it’s common sense. Opposing the 1% means not supporting its instruments. If some Labor officials want to try a straddling tactic that is already diminishing their credibility, let them. It’s not as if new unions can’t be organized, giving the workers a voice rather than endorsing those who oppress us.
Seamus, excellent post. Despite the attempted hijacking. (Seriously, what does Glenn Greenwald’s opinion on Citizens United have to do with anything? He’s not dictating policy, he’s not running for office, and if he was wrong on one issue, that doesn’t mean he can’t be right on another. It seems the only imposing a “purity test” is…you.)
“Shamus”, not “Seamus”. My apologies.
(“Seam on me”?)
Also, I’ve yet to see a productive dialogue begun with “I think you’re full of shit”.
Thanks for your “concern”. Now, shoo.
Yes, because winning elections within a conservative capitalist-imperialist society is the only way to change the world. Remember how Luther, Jefferson, Danton, Lenin, Mao, Gandhi, Ho, Castro, Walesa and Mandela all triumphed over repressive forces by “playing to win” in the “real-world game of politics”, and supporting “solid Progressive candidates”?
I personally tear up at the story of how Rosa Parks worked within the system to support “solid Progressive candidates” for the Montgomery City Council, so that the segregration of the buses could be incrementally reduced over a 10-year-timetable. Remember Rosa proudly taking her seat in the 7th row in 1968? Thank God she and Dr. King “played to win”.
You have the terms backwards. This diary is an example of concern trolling, a very typical one of recent times at that. It also seeks to impose the mother of all purity tests on the movement: you can either support OWS or Democrats, but not both. Thanks for your well intentioned advice.
Luckily, for most of us participating actively, we aren’t too “concerned” at present with voting for Democrats, Greens or Socialists. Stop trying to move forward with yesterday’s failed schtick is the essence of Ondelette’s comment and I agree wholeheartedly.
And you obviously want people to ‘Vote Socialist’, which is fine and dandy, so the next time there is an election and an actual socialist on the ballot I’ll consider that but shouldn’t you be concerned about organsing an effective political party then and let Occupy do what it is doing, which is creating space on the left for your party to someday be viable? The Occupy movement is steadfastly non-partisan and needs to remain so in order to gain power and moral force. No one is arguing that point.
If you want to talk big talk about revolution, then look at the current events in Tahrir Square, where an actual one is ttaking place. Notice that the fight against the PTB is being waged not only by Socialists, not neoliberals, or the Muslim Bros, but by all of them together, even though they have clean ideological differences, they are being put aside at least for now in order to wage the larger struggle against the PTB.
Suggest you, Shamus and those in agreement also think about the larger struggle first and foremost.