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A lot of us can laugh at the Birthers, it is clear they are crazy, but there are some things that their actions are bringing up that might warrant talking about.
Orly Taitz is a strange woman; she is a Russian Immigrant, a dentist and a lawyer. She is also the primary person keeping lawsuits alive claiming the President is not actually president because he was not born in the US.
The thing is you can only bring so many suits before the Courts are going to say you are being a nuisance and sanction you. That is what has happened with Ms. Taitz. The Judge she is bring all this before warned her to stop, begged her to stop and then finally in a 48 page decision sanctioned her to the tune of $20,000 dollars.
For those of you who are not obsessed by the law, that is nearly unheard of. The question tonight is it too far? Talking Points Memo has been staying on top of this story and you can read all about it at this link .
However, here is the question,is Ms. Taitz as insane as she seems earnest. She really believes there are constitutional issues, which are not being addressed. Is the Court right in putting the smack down on her for wasting its time or, when issues of constitutional powers are at stake, should we be a little less quick to pull the trigger?
The floor is yours Fire Pups, what do you think?
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I think she’s gone off the deep end. We have rules about filing cases, and we sure don’t file crap like that. I hate it when my clients get sued in equally foolish cases, and have to pay me to defend. Good on the judge.
And I believe in the tooth fairy; beliefs that are not based in empirical evidence are more faith than knowledge.
With all the issue confronting mankind, she sure knows how to avoid looking at the big picture. Sanction her? She’s lucky she’s living nowadays because in the past, she would have been locked up or worst.
Yes, the Court is absolutely right to sanction her.
There are rules about these things.
And just because she “really believes” there are constintutional issues doesn’t mean there really are any.
Let us recall that the voices our schizophrenic citizens hear seem “really real” to the hearers, but that, again, doesn’t mean those voices are objectively real.
Frankly, I’m hoping that when she fails to pay by deadline, she does get locked up. At the least she won’t be able to issue press notices every day.
She belongs in a white coat in a padded room.
She’s nuckin phutz, and even AFTER the judge sanctioned her, she’s been on network news shows claiming the judge is crazy, prejudiced and part of a conspiracy plot against her.
We’re talking whacko, here. Major loon. COMPLETELY unable to back up her claims when interviewed on major news shows, and spouts gibberish as crazed and loony as the anti abortionists, creationists and other right wing whackaloons who mouth unproven cliche’s that only fit their idealogical perspective and deny others theirs.
Damn, I’ve already wasted too much time on her.
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The proof Obama was born in Hawaii is incontrovertible: a certificate of live birth.
What the fuck does she want? A birth certificate?
Jesus. At some point, you’ve got to trust your leaders.
“The proof Obama was born in Hawaii is incontrovertible: a certificate of live birth.”
Racist, are like drunks. They deny realities and more often than not fabricate non reality, to suit their needs and justify dysfunctional actions. Like some redneck J.O.P. who refuses to issue marriage certs and bond mixed race couples, because of his beliefs……..
LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess “Dred Scott’s” issue of “entitlement” to constitutional protections was a smackdown! Justice Taney found that Mr. Scott was property then dismissed the his case denying him protection of law, because he was a negro/slave in a slave state. Discrimination under the color of law! To bad Mr. Scott could not have appealed this decision to a higher court, not compromised by vested interests, but concerned with protecting rights! An the correct rights!!
I think the actual James Joyce had a passing familiarity with the rules of English grammar, syntax, and spelling.
Taking up the courts’ time with nonsense, called sometimes ‘frivolous’ lawsuits, is a crime in itself because it wastes the resources that taxpayers’ money provides. Just like the able-bodied parking in handicapped zones, it should be discouraged by whatever recourse is provided. The fine is not that large, and Ms. Taitz does not appear to be concerned about ability to pay, so the next step to keep her from impeding actual justice should definitely be applied.
Dear Ruth,
Is it a waste of the court’s time to argue that a “”new law”" a government imposed health insurance mandate requiring people to enter into contracts with health insurance corporations is a violation of constitutional protections. Freedom of association, the 13th amendment, the 10th Amendment?
We now use the “legitimate government interest theory” to undermine basic individual constitutional protections, to protect corporations which discriminate under the color of law for profit in patchwork schemes operated at the state level extracting vast wealth from the population, undermining life and liberty as pro segregationist did to little girls attending Sunday School. The end is the same.
The American people need the protection of federal law from the abuses of state operated health insurers(TAX EXEMPT AND EXEMPT FROM ANTI TRUST LAW) as the little girls, Americans attending Sunday school needed protection from those that bombed the church! One matter is an overt violation of law which destroys life and liberty. The other a more insidious, twisted manner like a mid evil torture rack or a slave owner!
Who will be the modern day “Dred Scott” denied legal standing to contest his Involuntary Servitude to tax exempt anti trust exempt health insurer’s coerced under the fear of tax penalty and color of law?
This is not healthcare reform!
to argue that a “”new law”” a government imposed health insurance mandate requiring people to enter into contracts with health insurance corporations is a violation of constitutional protections.
Taitz’ repeated calls for production of evidence that already exists is not related to your test case.
A 10ther! Of what fun!
A perfect way to do an end run right around the birthers and put them in their place forever: Lets make Kenya our 51st state.
Why not? It would provide a lot of benefits and diversity to have a state in Africa. This would mean the US would be spread from Kenya to Hawaii and Alaska. That’s pretty cool. We would also inherit new national parks. This move would also provide a higher level of diversity to which we all aspire.
Of course the biggest payoff of making Kenya a state would be to stop cold the argument that Obama wasn’t born in the US.
I’m sending this directly to Obama. I am hoping he will reward me monetarily with part of his Nobel winnings. Then he wouldn’t have to pay a bunch of lawyers to keep all his birth and school records hidden from the public.