I think most Progressives, Liberals or any other stripe of DFH’s often despair at how seemingly clueless the majority of our nation is. After all, there are things the political Right spouts, which are clearly crazy. Many of us have decried the ideas of the United States being a “Christian country” or any of the kind of revisionist history that the Right continually spouts, yet it seems to find fertile ground with many Americans. Where does this kind of thinking seep into our national consciousness?
One of the places is where you would least expect it, in public schools. There is a dirty little secret in the text book publishing trade, two states California and Texas pretty much have all the say in what goes into all the books in the nation, since they are the ones who make the biggest buys of these books.
Right now the ultra conservative Texas Board of Education is writing the standards for their text books. The board has a 2-to-1 Republican split. Over at Washington Monthly Mariah Blake has a great article about this fight.
Here are some of the things a Board member had to say about picking this years textbook standards;
With childlike glee, McLeroy flipped through the pages and explained what he saw as the gaping holes in Darwin’s theory. “I don’t care what the educational political lobby and their allies on the left say,” he declared at one point. “Evolution is hooey.” This bled into a rant about American history. “The secular humanists may argue that we are a secular nation,” McLeroy said, jabbing his finger in the air for emphasis. “But we are a Christian nation founded on Christian principals. The way I evaluate history textbooks is first I see how they cover Christianity and Israel. Then I see how they treat Ronald Reagan—he needs to get credit for saving the world from communism and for the good economy over the last twenty years because he lowered taxes.”
Views like these are relatively common in East Texas, a region that prides itself on being the buckle of the Bible Belt. But McLeroy is no ordinary citizen. The jovial creationist sits on the Texas State Board of Education, where he is one of the leaders of an activist bloc that holds enormous sway over the body’s decisions. As the state goes through the once-in-a-decade process of rewriting the standards for its textbooks, the faction is using its clout to infuse them with ultraconservative ideals. Among other things, they aim to rehabilitate Joseph McCarthy, bring global-warming denial into science class, and downplay the contributions of the civil rights movement.
This is a real problem this time as the state of California is not going to balance out the text book battle, since they will not have the money to buy new books until at least 2014. All of this means there is good chance that for the next few years kids in schools nation wide will be learning their history from books that try to make one of the most heinous Senators ever a good man. It is from these kinds of facts taught to school kids that keep the this nation from completely disavowing the teachings of the Right, since it requires a lot of thinking and intellectual curiosity to overcome what you are taught in grade school.
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Well, I generally agree with your post. Texas does hold enormous sway in the textbook publishing industry. But often the publishing companies issue a whole different edition just for Texas because they don’t want to lose sales to other publishers for the rest of the country…the volume of the buy makes this separate printing possible.
- Following the Equator, Pudd’nhead Wilson’s New Calendar
Mark Twain
That first one was for Texas. This next quote is for Calif (where I live):
- Mark Twain Speech 11/23/1900
We likes our kidz stoopid!
The moral of the story: JOIN YOUR LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD!
I don’t know if I could survive it! :D
Au contraire. It has been obvious for years that is ground zero for wingnuts of all persuasions. Home schooling, textbooks in the U.S., madrassas for Muslim wingnuts, etc.
Texas does not “win” the textbook battle v. California. California will continue to write its own standards and will not accept books that don’t meet those standards. But Texas will continue to flush science down the toilet. So Texas conservatives are “winning” against its own liberals.
For California, its loss will be no money to buy updated science and history books (the only books, IMHO, that need updating). Uh oh, I just made a sweeping generalization, so have at it. If the conservatives go all creationist on us, then we’re really had.
That’s how I read it. That’s still pretty bad news.
Left a brief follow up downstairs.
In 4th grade I was paddled with it.
Ask your local librarian what books they’d like to have. (My TX librarian wanted books on evolution, so I bought and sent them.)
I agree with dosido. I once went to a meeting of the school board prez with the public in the small town where my country house is. Background is that a new elementary school was built, quite a bit over estimate, then, predictably, substandard work that meant the school had to be nearly rebuilt. All swept under the rug. School board scapegoated the old superintendent (3 f’ing schools, wtf do they need a “superintendent” for). I asked a coupled of pointed qs, got nonanswers, and had to leave the room before I barfed on the floor.
And this is a SUNY college town. Meaning that children of SUNY faculty attend these public schools, substandard not only in construction, but also, of course, in educational content. And no SUNY parents ran for school board or took any other activist role in the public school situation.
I saw it. Kudos to your friend.
Actually another after that, not particularly important.
Left you another, equally unimportant. *g*
Is it just my browser or have a lot of recent Seminal posts appeared without the “Recommend” option?
Like everyone who doesn’t study it, I have limited info about public education, mostly anecdotal. In Buffalo, NY in the 1950s and early 1960s, my education was fair-to-middling, but probably better than what I hear is going on today. I’ve asked my nieces who teach HS English in NYC public schools what the problem is, and get complicated micro answers that don’t address the macro problem.
I haven’t noticed that. The rule that I saw explained, is that once the diary appears as a front pager, the recommend button disapprears. Does that explain your observation, or is the rec button missing even when they aren’t front-paged?
When a seminal post is promoted to fp of Seminal or FDL I think the rec button disappears.
But don’t quote me…)
It seems that a great number of students have figured out that what they are being taught is pure B.S. and that is one reason for the decline in participation by young people in anything other than mindless diversions and a complete disinterest in serious issues of our times.
Anyone in Texas, you can sign up to testify on the social studies standards at the (only scheduled) public hearing set for next week, Jan. 13th. Check it out at tfn.org (Texas Freedom Network, from whom I just got an email on the subject).
Hi eCAHNomics,I am a newby and a conservative to boot.But am trying to better understand others points of view.Can you teel me are all progressives atheist? What exactly does the term progressive mean?
That tears it. If they reappear with a Rapture button, I’m outta here.
Makes you truly believe as Hitchens says, that religion does indeed poison everything.
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The saving grace for New York and California is that we’re the only two states that have Reagents exams.
At the end of the day from Pennsylvania and creationism, Texas and all of it’s insanity to all over the country, public schools are ground zero for the “culture wars”
The only hope is to realize it’s always been like this. Just think of the Scopes monkey trial.
For all the talk of the places of agreement between left and right, we must never forget that there is a real culture war going on. But every time the right gets their way it blows in their face and they lose credit.
Wow, how can we highlight that comment? Is it being advertised very widely in your local area? That would be extremely important to attend.
I am a product of public schools. Most of my elementary years were here in Oklahoma. I learned enough from textbooks to get a good grade and I recall virtually nothing about them. Teachers made the most impression on me. Give an outstanding teacher a chalkboard and a chair and they can mesmerize students. I’m not saying textbooks are not a worthy fight, but the real gold lies with the teachers.
Info on Michigan?
A race, forced deadlines and money bribe.
Thank you Obama and Duncan.
We just signed onto Obama’s Race to the Top ( OF WHAT?) Oh- we badly need the money as you can imagine- so the money bribe by Sec Duncan whipped Michigan politicians into a frenzy. And our worthless union representation sends out notice that we need to be careful…. Oh yeah. Sickening way to teach competition and power in our society. They so disrespect the teachers too. More charters- more regulation. It is stullifying. 500 BILLION in Education.
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No, not all progressives are athiests. I’m sure you knew that before you asked.
If I had to distinguish conservatives from progressives in a very simple way, I would focus the progressive attention on the individuals, especially those without power in society. Traditionally, conservatives have supported the status quo, i.e., the existing power structure.
Thanks to you and eCAHN for the info.
I’ve seen some without the feature while browsing the Seminal page but perhaps they had been previously front paged without my noticing.
Excellent point. The student surpasses the teacher.
That’s kind of my take from reading Mark Twain. We’re complaining about the same stuff he was!
And think of poor Galileo. As a professor of astronomy at University of Pisa, Galileo was required to teach the accepted theory of his time that the sun and all the planets revolved around the Earth. That has to be frustrating!
Regents exams in NYS do seem to be a saving grace. Even my bleeding heart niece teachers admit that motivating disadvantaged kids to pass the regents is a good thing.
No, no advertising that I’m aware of. The local paper usually covers the State Board to an extent…since I’ve been out of town since before Xmas till a few days ago, I don’t know if there’s been anything. Like most newspapers, they have let their most experienced reporters go and eliminated features, made the newshole smaller.
Anyway, no, I only know about it because I’m on TFN’s email list.
If I thought I had the expertise and could get there (car issues), I’d be glad to sign up, but I really don’t have the expertise.
I’m familiar with a Rapture button (although not recently).
Toby Wollin is upstairs!
Late Night: Them’s Fightin’ W…immen!
Progressive
Conservative
from
http://dictionary.reference.com/
Yes, I did a quick check, and you are right. Even diaries without front pagers are missing rec button. Calling all (((FDL TECH!)))
Progressive means progress as opposed to looking back to save or conserve what has worked in the past.
Progressive=Progress
Conservative=Conserve
Take your pick in an ever-changing world.
Mark Twain was a man a century ahead of his time, or more.
OFG, wonderfully said. I, too, am a product of public schools, here in California, before Prop 13 gutted everything. We had new buildings, new teachers full of energy. I loved school!
Explains why most Americans are completely ignorant of the their own history and ignorant of the world around them and that’s just the way the conservatives want to keep them.
Can you write a short diary to make an announcement here?
just a thought. we’ll have to come up with a catchy headline.
I remember hearing college friends from NY talking about the Regents exams. Sounded scary. ;) But I’ve wondered, in recent years, how are the Regents exams different from what’s now called TAKS in Texas–that is, the now-standard high-stakes tests that schools now “teach to.” Apparently they are not at all the same type of test, since people I knew who had taken Regents exams actually had a body of knowledge.
But then, so did I (mid-50′s to mid-60′s), having gone to public schools mostly in Indianapolis. In those days, Indiana prided itself on funding public schools. We learned basics, like phonics and grammar, writing regularly right through high school, math, and science. And I don’t recall anyone claiming that evolution was an affront to faith, even though pretty much everybody I knew (myself included) was a regular church-goer.
Sadly, I noted a few years ago when I frequented the Classmates site (around reunion time, lots of posting from my years), truly everyone from my class, including those in blue-collar jobs, wrote pretty well, certainly coherently. It was sad to see posts by recent grads, many of whom were so poorly written as to be incomprehensible. Somthing happened, all right.
Hmmm. I’ll give it some thought — if you have the catchy title, please throw it out there. I’m not so good at titles.
Btw, has anybody noticed our troll never so much as said “thank you,” for all those calm, reasoned, sensible answers to his “question?”
FUCK>>>
Our grand kids will be Brain Washed by the ReichWingNut establishment!!!
This has very serious implications for the future of the Democratic system we have…
fuck
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damn..
FUCK!
We are doomed if this crap goes forward…. fuck!!
Thanks for the info.I really do appreciate it.But no I really didnt know about the atheist thing.Progressive is a term i have heard used by such different groups,so i wasn’t sure.but thanks again.
OK, here’s a couple of lame brain farts:
Remember when Gen. Washington Stormed the Alamo?
Remember when Sam Houston Parted the Rio Bravo?
Texas Dept of Education Ready to Rapture
Calling All Blue Texans! (Actually, you KNOW Blue Texan will have the best headline…)
It’s best not to even refer to them as trolls. Then they can get mad at you calling them that. Just answer the question and move on.
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I’m not familiar with TAKS so I can’t really answer. But the Reagents exams are a yearly exam with each step. Math 1 2 and 3 that all students are required to take for example. they have one for every subject. Like in science you need to take one in earth sciences, bio, chemistry and physics.
Hi Nahant! Settle down and help me and Tejanarusa think of a headline.
Might be helpful to have a strategy too to preempt the lefty label any might have slung at them if they show.
Ah….there ya go…CALLING BLUE TEXAN!!! I’ll bet he knows all about it!
This one has possibilities:
Ehhh – if you disagree with those idjits on the Board in any small particular, you’re a lefty to them.
I don’t mind being called a lefty. It cracks me up that they’re starting to use “progressive” as an epithet, as if the word itself didn’t have any meaning. Obviously, Beck’s constant use of it is the first stage in the campaign to make the word as “pejorative” as “liberal.”
Ahh yes, capitalism. Once again, it curses us with it’s ‘bottom line’ morality. What a ridiculous situation. I haven’t thought about this much, but surely there is a wiser way of deciding what appears in school textbooks – I mean, what’s the point of going to school? To be fed propaganda about one of the worse presidents in history? (Reagan). Ye gods, this cannot stand, if we are to be a nation of real, live, thinking people.
Yeah, I think I like that one too.
You could ask why they need to update the standards at all, if the world is going to come to an end in the next year and a half or so…
shake and bake, baby!
well, there is a silver lining in that many educators are turning to “open source” materials on the Internet. Of course, this cuts both ways (creationists v. science) but I really don’t know enough about to comment except to say many people want to throw out the textbooks.
If you look at the evidence, it is quite difficult to deny the existence of evolution – what about the moths whose wings darkened to blend in with the soot on trees from the industrial revolution? The anti-evolutionists have long since been building a straw man argument, but their claims and debate can overshadow the overwhelming truth – evolution MAKES SENSE.
I will try to make this as balanced as possible…
Progressives believe in a more expanded role of government to cover people’s needs. see FDR
Conservatives believe in very little government interference. see Ronald Reagan
Both of these are people who have been both loved and hated for their policies.
I believe that all sides need to be examined before making a final choice, and I have found interesting viewpoints on all sides of the argument.
Sorry to tell you guys, but these paid for and bought textbooks need to be done away with anyway.
All they are each year is a way to funnel money into the pockets of the publishing houses. What you should be doing is pushing for open source text books that would be free to everyone and whose facts would have to stand up to scrutiny just as they should have to ( ideally ) on a Wikipedia page.
This is a real problem this time as the state of California is not going to balance out the text book battle, since they will not have the money to buy new books until at least 2014. All of this means there is good chance that for the next few years kids in schools nation wide will be learning their history from books that try to make one of the most heinous Senators ever a good man. It is from these kinds of facts taught to school kids that keep the this nation from completely disavowing the teachings of the Right, since it requires a lot of thinking and intellectual curiosity to overcome what you are taught in grade school.
No offense, Bill, but you need to learn how to write properly. This is pretty pathetic.
Very true. Texas can approve this crap as they do every stinking year, but I can always choose to teach real history, with loads of supplemental materials.
I think it’s long past time for serious, academically trained historians to make the public school curriculum a priority. It would be a truly radical act. And, it would be good for both the students and the scholars.
How about a progressive Christian that believes in evolution?
Thanks for the info.It makes me realize that I must be a mutt.Iam a conservative christian, but don’t beleive anything that is preached in a church,about hateing or judgeing my fellow man.I adore my 2 malatto neices,and my native american grandaugter.I think my gay grandson is the greatest guy in the world.I hate war,.dislike all politicians,and beleive I am obligated to seek truth where ever it leads me.Yup I must be a nut.Thanks again.
slipped up.. dosido sorry dinner time called me away..
Education should always teach the Truth not some ginned up version of the Truth.. seems to me that that is the RecichWing way… lies lies and more lies… they try to revise history in their favor BUT the Truth will always overwhelm the Lies that Dick Cheney and his fools spew!!
It’s ‘principles’ not ‘principals’, jeez Ms Blake.
I am a believer that believes that even Jesus would not be welcome in the majority of the “Christian” churches in this country if He was to show up on Sunday morning with His usual group of friends. He darn sure would not support war, loves all peoples – gay and straight, and especially all those that have been abused and mistreated. God bless you!
YUP!
this problem is one that is naturally trending in a direction favorable to progressives…. it is actually good in the long run for conservative extremists to mess up the school textbook industry. we want outrage from others to build
printing is no longer a big problem. all documents can be and pretty much have already been made digital. i used to work at a school in texas and there are software programs to help teacher run their classroom, manage students, give out homework, tutor the kids, make automatic presentations and everything else you can imagine. everything will be done digitally and eliminate the need for a massive printing industry
it is true a bit that the learning materials are still partially copyright, but at the level we are talking about (pre-college) there are many options available. the mit courseware, the california college courseware and even many assets on the web are useful for teachers. they are the same quality or better than the garbage on paper.
so let them expend their efforts taking over a disappearing industry. you can’t take over the web. any local school board or city or state can institute its own policies and stop using paper books
but i will say that in theory i completely agree with the disgust that has been expressed towards the texas school board. what they are doing is horrifying. but we got lucky on this one.
it is interesting that the greatest communication tool ever invented by man (internet) has been a shining light in our world and repeatedly reveals the truth. the truth is on the side of progressives, because as we all well know (with deference to colbert) that reality has a well known liberal bias
lets protect the internet and people’s access to it.
Hi I totally agree.I lost my faith in any church.My parents found it necessay to hide my little sister in her room when the pastor came to visit.She had committed the terrible sin of getting pregnant”out of wedlock”.I totally agree about Jesus Christ,talk about unconditional love,he wrote the book on that subject.
Hi, Sheri! Apologies for the late welcome.
If you want to see a good example of a progressive Christian, check out this guy, Peterr:
I grew up in the NYC public school system in the 70′s and 80′s. It stunk. If you were an intelligent kid, they ignored you because they knew you didn’t need their help and focused on making sure the slower kids didn’t get left back. The Regent’s Exams were evil. All Regent’s classes were pure teaching to the test. There was no love of learning, no exploration of material, just forcing the material down our throats so that we’d pass the Regent’s.
OK, I’ve changed my mind. Texas can secede. The national IQ will probably go up 30 points as a result.