The split on the issue of equality for gay citizens is very clearly a generational one. Sure there are those in my generation and even in Generation Y that hold bigoted views but they are the minority of these groups. The flip side is true for the Boomers and those who are older than them. It can be starkly seen by the recent article in The Daily Caller (founded by the previously bow-tied Tucker Carlson) claiming that the military can fix its DADT policy by forbidding gay men to serve but allowing lesbian women to serve.
The premise is that when all these poor lesbian women are with only straight men it would give them the convert them to straight. From the original article which has been since changed:
my solution would get the distaff part of our homosexual population off our collective ‘Broke Back,’ thus giving straight male GIs a fair shot at converting lesbians and bringing them into the mainstream.
Converting them?!? How exactly? Well this paragraph from earlier in the post gives us a good idea:
Women had to be more selective because, then as now, the principal consequences of copulation were theirs: pregnancy; childbirth; most of the responsibilities of childrearing whilst their baby-daddy hunter-gatherers were about hunting and gathering and finding other women to subdue; and the ruination of their pulchritudinous figures. How our ancient foremothers ever managed to establish any choice in the matter is utterly beyond me when one considers that they did not have access to Mace, police whistles, Lady Smith .38s, or domestic violence hotlines.
Mr. Rehyansky seems to think that given the female soldiers would be surrounded by straight male soldiers things would go the way they did in the ancient past. They would be “subdued” and converted to heterosexuality.
Rehyansky is a nut, but he is a nut that gets a lot of play on the Right. He has written for American Spectator, National Review and Human Events. The trilogy of Rightwing “thought”. It is telling that someone who is supposed to be one of the thinkers in the conservative movement is willing to, at the very least, tacitly endorse rape as a way to change the sexuality of gay female soldiers. It is the old straight guy call that lesbians just haven’t had a real man, and that is why they are attracted to women.
This has always made me nuts. It is a twofer for the right, because as long as they believe a woman could be changed to heterosexuality by a man, or man by a woman then it really is all about choice and not about biology. This, of course, ignores the fact that straight people don’t choose their sexuality, and the problem that if it is a choice why in the world would anyone ever choose that much trouble for sex? Right now we do not have equal rights for gay citizens, but there are places in the world where you can be imprisoned or executed for it. No one would ever pick something which would possibly get them killed if there were another choice.
I am not one to hope for anyone’s death, but I think when the generation that Mr. Rehyansky belongs to shuffles off this mortal coil, we will all be in a better place. For now we have to live with citizens who cavalierly propose rape as a solution to a discriminatory policy in the military.
There is a bit of sunshine in this tale of woe, by running these kinds of articles Carlson’s effort at a reputable news website are circling the bowl. It is clear they know they have a problem as the current version of the article does not have the implicate rape idea, it was cut after Amanda Hess and others pointed it out. Carlson, like most of the establishment on the Right is riding a tiger of bigotry and inchoate anger. Sure the nut jobs pay the bills but any deviation form the mobs line is going to result in them leaving. Since the Daily Caller could not attract a wider audience they went hard right. Now they are left with the choice of cashing any and all credibility they might have had or being left with no audience at all.
I think that is the poetic justice. Here’s a hope that they get both, no audience and no credibility. If sites like that start to go away, I will not shed a tear. I’ll take hero’s like Lt Col. Fehrenbach and Lt. Dan Choi any day over old assholes who think rape is something that can be bandied about as a policy option.
The floor is yours.




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Sorry to post something that might make you sick to your stomach on an eating holiday, but I couldn’t let this pass.
A weak joke with no connection to violence, torture, or the Republican Party is gonna “make you sick to your stomach” ???
How’s that ?
The joke is similar to an observation that Reggie Bush made Kim Kardashian forget about white boys. Offended by that ?
I see so you tolerate racism and bigotry out of some macho “toughness”.
Though I will give you this, it is like the racist joke you wrote about Kim Kardashian. If you can see that this type of shit perpetuates and enables other stereotypes then you should be really comfortable with Joe Rehyanski.
But since he has written for National Review, Human Events and American Standard he and his writing as a lot to do with Republicans.
The Daily Caller is run by Tucker Carlson. It is a voice of the DC Republicans Establishment and known for being a vector of Republican talking points — which is why it was among the first entities to notice that the Tea Party candidates, who the GOP Establishment wants to shove back into the dark corners from whence they came, did horribly in this year’s elections.
It’s offensive that The Daily Caller would print an article which advocates rape of lesbian women. I take it you missed what Rehyansky was implying. It’s offensive that The Daily Caller would publish crap insinuating that all a woman needs is a dose of sex against her will to become straight. It’s offensive that The Daily Caller prints nonsense perpetuating the ill-informed notion that gays can be made straight.
And your shared “observation” about Kardashian is likewise offensive. Did anyone ask Kardashian her opinion on the matter? Did race actually have anything to do with Kardashian’s relationship? Or isn’t she entitled to a personal opinion about her relationship with a particular person, only the conjectures of persons who are “observers”?
The guy obviously ignores how forcible rape has for millenia been used as a “treatment” for lesbianhood, as was shown just last year in South Africa.
Then again, he must think that Ian Fleming’s James Bond must be an excellent sex therapist.
“…When you look at the entire universe of female veterans, close to a third say they were victims of rape or assault while they were serving — twice the rate in the civilian population…”
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html#ixzz16JxmqRWr
No connection to violence? She’s basically saying all lesbians need is a rape by a good tough man to fix ‘em right up. Nothing new among conservatives.
The fact that “liberal men” like you don’t see that is also nothing new.
They have a better chance of being raped by a “fellow” soldier than they do of being murdered by our “savage enemies”.
Jon Stewart was right: Tucker Carlson is still hurting America.
Yes, yes he is. He is such a tool.
“someone who is supposed to be one of the thinkers in the conservative movement”
Says who?
I shall not mince words. Tucker Carlson is an asshole.
This should be a really good reason for Yahoo to drop Daily Cawler as its “news” feed source. No media that actually advocates rape should be permitted such wide access to mainstream readers.
Interesting detail: Lesbian women in the armed forces are discharged in far greater numbers than their gay male counterparts.
In FY 2009, here’s the breakdown (courtesy AOL News)
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/dont-ask-dont-tell-discharges-hit-lesbians-hardest/19595073:
Army: Lesbians accounted for 48 percent of 195 discharges under the don’t-ask, don’t-tell policy, even though women make up only 14 percent of the force. That’s up from 2008, when women represented 36 percent of Army discharges under the policy.
Air Force: More than half, 51 percent, of those discharged were women, who make up 20 percent of the service.
Marines: Nearly one in four, or 23 percent, of discharges under the policy were women, who make up just 6 percent of the Marines. That’s up from 18 percent the year before.
Navy: The sea service discharged 22 women, or 27 percent of the total ousted for being gay. Women comprise 14 percent of naval personnel.
Wish I could find the link but apparently the worst-hit group of all are African American lesbian women.
But yes, the viewpoint expressed by this Daily Caller columnist is vile and reprehensible, as well as abysmally ignorant.
Lets ask bow tie guy if he thinks he would be converted after being raped by men? Thats the logic behind this post on his site. Tell me do straight women raped by men give up on straight sex Tucker?
What evidence historical or otherwise is used to back up this claim?
Since the Daily Caller could not attract a wider audience they went hard right.
Did they ever have any conservative ideas to present in the first place? Tucker at best was a GOP gossip columnist the GOP has nothing else but hate and lies.
Find me a conservative with an idea based on historic facts or real world experience.
Find me a GOPer with an idea to help the poor.
Rehyansky is a truly stupid individual. And he writes a column for the Daily Caller. But I repeat myself.
Who’s Tucker Carlson? Should I care? His adolescent twaddle can be heard in any frat house in America. What makes him important?
There’s always an audience for pornography, and lesbian women are a staple of the trade.
You would think pregnancy would be the main reason women leave the armed forces. Is saying no to a guy resulting in men saying they are lesbians and the rumor whether true or not makes them unable or unwilling to stay?
51% of discharges are for being Lesbian in the Air Force thats way higher than the normal population.
I wonder if an anti gay, anti woman culture with less discipline to protect all solders is the culprit.
Navy and Marines around 20% that sounds more believable.
Tucker does know that if a woman says no getting a bunch of guys to force her to do something she does not want to do is rape.
If she is somehow convinced/broken by the rape and changes her mind does that make rape and torture ok to defend social norms?
Who defines the social norms Tucker?
If the regular guy in my neighborhood does define social norms bow tie guy then you dress gay. Should we all then beat the gay out of you?
No Tucker you will not get to use your expected defense of well if I was Gay having a bunch of women convert me sounds like fun.
After all Men are territorial you and your readers should know that, the fact you all don’t makes me wonder about all of you.
Why waste a good straight woman on a Gay Person? Why waste time with men with Make up, Manicures, and fancy suits that cost more than my last used car?
Why do you think there are so many Gay Hate crimes that end in murder Tucker rather that some mean frat boy jokes?
Tucker the inbred elite really can’t claim to be populists by attacking the cognitive elite the peacock plumage of your tribe’s feathers screams Eat Me to populists when the Mob forms. You don’t understand the mob or the danger of pouring gas on a bonfire.
The cognitive Elite have ideas that work. You guys have money but that can change in a revolution or Great Depression/end of Ponzi scheme.
Just who is more useful Tucker after a revolution the people with ideas or the people who had wealth?
Just who is more likely to be attacked Tucker when people have no jobs or homes people who are different but poor or rich and the same?
The Nazis were a movement by the rich to blame scapegoats Jews, Gays etc for problems caused by the rich elite.
Colonialism/The sun never set on the British Empire was a slogan promoting free trade that impoverished workers the world over.
Unhappy people need enemies internal enemies then external enemies thus we got WW2.
However Tucker we also got FDR and Stalin do the inbred elite really want to risk that happening here?
Scarred straight.
I’m sorry, but did this asshole just say lesbians should be raped until they go straight????
The more right wing articles I read the more I wish they weren’t lying about death panels and fema camps.
“I’m sorry, but did this asshole just say lesbians should be raped until they go straight????”
No, members of the “intellectual elite” are ascribing that to him in order to provoke outraged responses. It’s working pretty good, too.
Then set the record straight….what did he say about lesbians? Just for the record.
The folks that run this country are truely off thier rockers. For them, a crisis would be running out of people to hate.
Here’s a new policy idea for our establishment darlings: Leave people alone. Don’t worry about whether they are gay, straight or bi. Don’t worry about them having the same haircut as you. Just get off thier junk.
His particular frathouse twaddle happens to be live on TV. Tucker Carlson is on Fox News. And before Fox he was on CNN and MSNBC.
Yeah, you’d think the same rules we had as kids (and which I still use with my kids today) would be enough: Keep your hands to yourself and mind your own business.
But no, apparently that’s too complicated.
Simply put: that after DADT is gone and lesbians come out, the straight guys would take the situation as a “fair shot at converting them.”
– “…thus giving straight male GIs a fair shot at converting lesbians and bringing them into the mainstream.”
There’s no mention of coercion, rape, threats, South Africa, HIV, drugs, masturbation, porn, or homosexuality per se.
This comment had no connection whatsoever with the horrid rape stats out of Iraq during the occupation. And nothing with DADT, either.
Its adolescent bravado, nothing more. If this guy was dropped off in the “Star Wars” bar on Tattooine, he’d try to figure out what was female so’s he could try to do an alien pickup/quickie.
Let’s not extend that to banning flirting.
There’s always the grand practical joke that Jerzy Kosinski played on a team of Argentine polo players in New York. Very masculine guys, so he set them up to meet some knock-out beautiful “gals” at a dimly lit bar.
The “gals” were top line drag queens — best of the best at the arts of that presentation. You have to assume that flirting occurred. Maybe a hand strayed ? Who knows ?
Anyway, the meet up ended amicably. No one complained. No screams. No whining. No one admitting that he was lopped in a trick.
Jerzy told the story for years and years. Perfect cap to any Manhattan party.
RE: “thus giving straight male GIs a fair shot at converting lesbians and bringing them into the mainstream” ~ the sexually conflicted Rehyansky
MY QUESTION: Then why not also admit openly gay males thus giving straight female GIs a fair shot at converting gays and bringing them into the mainstream as well?
ANSWER: Oh, that’s right, because the straight female GIs are too busy being molested and/or raped by straight male GIs for them to have time for “converting” the gays.
sounds more like a male fantasy than reality…
Set the record straight: what did he say about “rape”?
Just for the record…
Absolutely, it’s like dealing with adult children.
LOL. Years back I saw a vid of something similar. Construction workers on a new building were spending their breaks judging the women who walked by and holding up scorecards (1 to 10). Several local ladies chipped in on their revenge, and one day (on video) someone who appeared to be a seriously hot babe came down the street on roller skates.
Responding to the roars of approval from the workers the skater began to do a roller strip tease, which swelled the crowd and the encouragement… until the skater got to the point in the strip tease where his
male gender was evident…
“…I think when the generation that Mr. Rehyansky belongs to shuffles off this mortal coil, we will all be in a better place.”
the whole generation?? isn’t this a little harsh?
That’s a stupid interpretation.
It’s meant as a “fuck them until they enjoy it” aka raping them into submission.
I probably shouldn’t admit this but I only watch Fox very early in the morning when the local team does the weather, traffic, sports, local breaking. I can only manage a limited amount of indignation before I lose interest. I guess I’m not made for perpetual outrage. I know about the military rape rates. I’ve read as far as I can stomach on the unspeakable circumstances in east Congo. I do keep up on the miseries indices. The whole business of what Matt Taibbi, I think it was, referred to as the poverty draft is an issue that desperately needs addressing and won’t be because we could never run the empire on a real draft. It makes perfect sense that a certain kind of man would fantasize about converting lesbians by rape: he doesn’t believe in conversion for a minute but forced sex with an especially unwilling female gets it up for him. What can I say.
I wonder if Tucker changed his bathroom friend to heterosexuality.
“raping them into submission.”
Rahm Emanuel’s remark about liberal critics was not entirely without merit.
I think this was just a glib comment, meant to be funny (amusing, but it’s really just funny-stupid). It falls flat and is horrifying to me. This idea that people can be “converted’ from their sexuality is a huge problem for many on the right. Funny how they (er, we, I guess, as I’m a conservative Tea Partier) never consider that if that is true then they can be “converted” by forced sexual relations with the same sex. It’s bs. And I can call bs when I see it.
“Exceptions to every generalization I posit abound, but I don’t think I’m enlightening many of you when I assert that men by nature are more promiscuous than women. (You’ve noticed that, too, huh?) This is overwhelmingly true whether those men and women are straight or gay. Our instincts were designed by Parent Nature at a time when early humans were not the predators, but the prey, and our remote ancestors were still trying to avoid extinction and establish a permanent presence on this planet. It fell to men to swing through the trees and scour the caves in search of as many women as possible to subdue and impregnate — a tough job but someone had to do it. Women had to be more selective because, then as now, the principal consequences of copulation were theirs: pregnancy; childbirth; most of the responsibilities of childrearing whilst their baby-daddy hunter-gatherers were about hunting and gathering and finding other women to subdue; and the ruination of their pulchritudinous figures. How our ancient foremothers ever managed to establish any choice in the matter is utterly beyond me when one considers that they did not have access to Mace, police whistles, Lady Smith .38s, or domestic violence hotlines.”
Long story short; evolution means that men have sexual urges they find imposible to deny even in the face of an objection from women. They only hesitate over rape nowadays because women have access to weapons and have protection from the law. Sounds pretty much like he advocates rape to me. Personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable alone in a room with a man that thinks along these lines, just in case his ‘urges’ become to powerful for him to control himself. Or am I missing something?
Anyone else find it amusing that he’s such a misogynist he had to change it to Parent Nature instead of Mother? I’ve never seen/heard anyone do that before.
Is anyone surprised?
Are there any bigger homophobic, douchebags than Republicans who make up and constantly cry about gay people serving in the military
I would LOVE to have a mandatory draft and suddenly see all of these Pro-War REPUBLICANS ALL the sudden not mind gay people serving if it meant no drafT
Cowards