I like to think that I was a little more aware of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster than other folks. I am a science nerd with a real Jones for the technology behind nuclear reactors and, at the time, I was dating a Soviet Studies major at U of M who had some real contacts that would share tidbits of “gossip”.
So 25 years ago today, we did not know there was anything going on, but it was only a day later that she told me that things on the border with the U.S.S.R. were getting weird and that she thought there might be some kind of accident in Ukraine.
We now know what happened. During an experiment designed to prevent a catastrophic loss of coolant flow during a loss of power from the power grid the reactor was pushed to an unstable configuration, where it was only the water in the reactor holding back the nuclear reaction. All the control rods had been withdrawn to deal with the production of xenon that had reduced the power levels in the reactor to very low levels.
The event they were actually testing for occurred while a planned shut down was in process. They lost power and had to go to the diesel backups. As feared these did not come on line fast enough to keep the water coolant flowing. Steam built up which reduced the ability of the water to moderate the reaction. At this point the operators attempted an emergency shut down. It would take about 20 seconds for the rods to be fully inserted in the core. Tragically the design of these rods forced the coolant out of the rod channels before they were inserted. This means the only thing holding back a run away reaction was withdrawn form the core.
As a result fuel rods fractured and fouled the control rod channels. Then there were the first of as series of steam explosions as the reactor started producing more and more intense nuclear reactions. It eventually blew the reactor vessel apart and started the fire in the roof of the building. Worse the graphite used as a moderator now had no cooling water around it and burst into flame throwing plumes of radioactive smoke into the sky and further reducing the ability to control the nuclear reaction of the fuel.
The world found out about Chernobyl two days later when workers at a Swedish nuclear plant began to have radiation alarms go off. The plume of radioactive smoke had reached from Ukraine to Sweden.
Chernobyl is a bad as it gets. It was the fire the spread the radioactive materials so far. Graphite burns hot and it took days to put the fire out. In that time radioactive cesium was lofted to the high level winds and spread in a classic fall out cloud. It brought low levels of radiation to all Europe west of the plant. There were even detectable levels of the radiation all the way to the United States.
Around the plant it was, obviously much worse. Large levels of radioactive iodine were released and exposed populations as far away as Kiev. The levels of thyroid cancer in that part of the world are 400 times the normal level. But radioactive iodine has a very short half live and is gone in a few weeks.
Of more concern is the cesium that was released. Most of it fell within 50 miles or so of the plant. Since that is a quarantine area, that has not been much of a problem. But it has not gone away by any means. It is in the soil or absorbed into the trees in the forest there.
Now Ukrainian forests are rather like the ones in the Western United States, they tend to grow then burn. There has been no major fire in the 25 years since Chernobyl. There also has been almost no forestry work there. This means that the forests around the plant are in the kind of shape where massive fires, the kind that last for months, can occur.
If one of these massive fires happens the trees which have absorbed the cesium will burn, and throw radioactive smoke, very similar to the smoke from the original accident, high into the air. Massive fires like that can create their own weather patterns, and that would mean that once again a plume of radioactivity will head west towards Moscow and the rest of Europe.
It would be dangerous to fight such a fire, again because of the level of radiation in the soil (which would dry and also loft) and the amount of cesium in the smoke. Inhaling that smoke would very bad for your health, to say the least.
This is the legacy of a major nuclear disaster. Buildings and areas can be quarantined but there is really very little that we can do to prevent the spread of long lived radioactive elements once they are in the environment.
The US Forest Service is helping the Ukrainian government with thinning plans, and the removal of downed trees. This will help to prevent a fire for a while, but as we have learned with our own Western States there is nothing in the world that can prevent a fire forever. In fact the act of fire prevention just makes the eventual fire worse, as we have disrupted the cycle where there are smaller trees interspersed with the larger ones to limit the heat and size of the fire.
One day, some time in the next couple of decades we will hear once again that the Chernobyl accident is spreading radiation as the forest burns. In one way we are lucky with the Fukishima accident. It is not in a heavily wooded area and, so far, there has not been the intense and wide spread release of fission byproducts like there was at Chernobyl. It is unlikely that we will have the same problems with clean up there, but there will be others that we have not thought of yet.
All of this leads to a single conclusion. We as a species really should not use nuclear fission for power generation. When it works it is great, it produces power and no greenhouse gases. The problem is that when it fails it is a flat nightmare. If the cost of world wide nuclear power generation is a disaster like Fukishima or Chernobyl every 25 years and the resultant decades or centuries of continued contamination for areas ranging from 50 miles to 500 is it really a viable option?
There are applications where it is appropriate. Space exploration, military applications and the like; however for civilian applications I have come to the conclusion that there is just too high a price to pay. Humans are fallible, running a reactor for decades; under private enterprise market rules is just a very, very bad combination.
So, as sad as the science nerd in me is, it is time that we put aside this type of power. It just sucks up resources that could be applied to the obvious solution to our electricity needs, wind and solar power.
In the end I think back 25 years to those brave folks who, completely unaware of the level of risk rushed to put out a burning nuclear power plant. I think about the operators and the technicians who did what they could to prevent their accident from being worse than it was and paid for it with their lives. I think about the people of Kiev, living with the knowledge that they were exposed to more radiation than anyone since the survivors of Nagasaki and Hiroshima and wondering what the next visit to the doctor might tell them.
I wonder what the next generation of Europeans will think when invisible particles of cesium once again fall from the skies, and expose them to a threat that was not their choice or fault. Will there still be a feeling that this type of power is worth the cost?
The floor is yours.




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This is another accident waiting for another accident. Read about the THORP leak 2005 and the presence of leaked material in Norwegian waters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellafield
this is the country we live in
http://www.whiznews.com/content/news/local/2011/04/25/barn-fire-kills-eight-horses
I was in basic training when Chernobyl went pop. I didn’t even hear about it till I graduated at the end of May.
way back in the 60s and 70s I was around nuclear weapons, worked on BUFFs(B-52) for 1 thing. And worked on F-106 A/C that carried nukes. At that time all of the dependents kept packed suitcases in their cars and every family had an evac plan. Back in the early 70s(I am not going any closer than than that) we went to DEFCON1. Our evac plan went into action and we packed up everything and moved to our alternate site, a piece of interstate hwy out in the sticks. As I said, I was around nukes. All our A/C loaded them and took off. We were damn close to going all in, we were about 15 min from making an all out attack. But we did not. It proved to be a computer failure rather than a bunch of USSR missiles coming over the pole. This happened more often than the AF would like to admit. We also had a near meltdown of one of our reactors in the state of Washington.
I am not totally fond of nuclear power. There are way to many things that can go wrong. However, where else are we going to get our power from? And I am far more worried that one of the crazies from alQaeda gets hold of a nuke or gets hold of all the nukes in Pakistan. While I do not believe that a high order explosion of a nuclear device in say NYC would bring about a massive retaliation on Russia or China, if it is not in a missile but comes on a ship-we are still not looking for radiation on ships or in shipping containers-who are we going to go after?
I found out the same day-I was stationed in Germany at that time.
Wind and solar, especially concentrated solar power would get us out of the nuclear power generation business. Concentrated solar lets you get past the “baseline power” issue by storing heat in the form of molten salt. You just run the hot salt through a heat exchanger and bingo! Live steam for power generation, day or night.
The plants don’t cost nearly as much a nuclear plant and the worst thing that can happen is the containment of the salt breaks and it flows a few dozen yards before it hardens.
NOT worth it. Tell the powers to be though as usual they couldn’t care less. Long term radiation no problem! Write it off and hand it over to the Gov’t. All these pricks care about is the profits to be made short term.
Wouldn’t there be huge profits in wind and solar? I know little about the industry but it just seems to me that millions could be employed setting those up.
Did you see these videos by the experts?
Thomas Breuer of Greenpeace Germany Discusses the Damaged Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power (Apr. 12, 2011)
Nuclear reactors safety-On the Edge with Max Keiser-03-25-2011 (Part 1) and (Part 2)
I’m with Foss.
Nuclear as an energy source is only good on paper. We are soon to have more than 800 of these fucking things scattered around the world, this mostly tanks to fucking China. That scares the hell out of me because nearly everything I have been forced to buy that has originated in China has be cheap crap that fails or falls apart way before it is supposed to or is simply junk out of the box. I say nearly, not all.
Furthermore, there is the waste that everyone seems to want to pretend doesn’t exist and there is NO solution available at this time. Then all 800 of these reactors have to run perfectly or we get disasters. And since no one every seems to want to decommission and old age reactor they plan to run them literally into the ground.
All this is 100% unacceptable risk versus reward.
As a side note, I am for the 100% elimination of Nukes and outlaw research into them (and unfortunately) we may have to execute everyone that currently knows how to make them (sadly this is pretty simple on paper, *sigh*) so they can never be built again.
No words.
Buy Nukes (I mean the weapons). It should be implied I want nuclear reactors eliminated as a power source, but nuclear research has a variety of other benefits (like medicine) so a small reactor for certain research would fall IMHO within the risk reward curve of acceptability whereas nuclear weapons a T total insanity. The people that make these monstrosities should be hung up by the shorties.
Watched a little of Democracy Now this morning. They say Chernobyle is still leaking and after all these years the government only classifies 20% of children healthy. Extremely sad situation.
Yikes! Too close for comfort!
“…where else are we to get our power from?”
And, of course, there is no irony in the fact that the largest single user of petroleum “power” on planet earth is the US Military in its pursuit of hegemony over petroleum?
Also, there is the question … what do “we” intend to use this “power” for, that is, what do we intend to do with it, warm our house, cook our food, run our vehicles, or attempt to control others by insisting that they cannot make use of nuclear technology because of its potential destructive “power”?
One last, wee tiny question, where do we intend to put the spent “waste”, that “stuff” that is radioactively dangerous for a time essentially incomprehensible to the human mind … where it will not plague or harm generations yet unborn?
Perhaps these are problems to be solved or questions to be answered by “others” and never, fully, or even, honestly, by “us”?
(Once upon a time there was a nice comfortable little planet that appeared to be blue-green from a distance, teeming with life, which is, relatively, rare in the universe … and now that planet merely glows … and nothing lives and thrives there but … insects …)
DW
Check out this article on just such a Solar concentrated IPO:
http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/ci_17925699?nclick_check=1
And it sure would be a lot less destructive to the enviroment even if it were blown up by terrorist!!
Nobody owns the wind or the sun, so where are the gargantuan profits that capitalists demand? Only endeavors that reward ownership are allowed.
Maybe if there was a way to start an endless war over sunlight and wind, it’d be done by next week.
In the instruments they use to capture it, convert it, and grid it to you.
Even then there are better methods than nuclear medicine in the first place (e.g. reduction of petrochemical pollutants that cause illness and death in the first place) than nuclear medicine. I think it was introduced as a way to lull folks into accept the plants.
i have done a diary,please rec it..to the top ,please peeps….FDL starts all my posts,past midway so i hardly get any hits
http://my.firedoglake.com/sadlyyes/2011/04/26/hate-beyond-any-and-all-reason/
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If you do a bit of research, you will find examples of nuclear reactors that are quit a bit safer than the present rectors in use at the moment. Passive systems that require zero intervention by operators, and systems that automatically shut down (think negative feedback) when power is disrupted.
But still, the biggest and most important problem is the waste. Guarding Plutonium for what, 250,000 years? From a human historical perspective alone it is patently absurd. And yet we go about generating this waste, that mutates into other isotopes on the way to stability.
Totally absurd.
And BTW, even as those safer reactors seem to be attractive, looking deeper generates their own brand of concerns.
Thanks for the info. It just adds to data that is becoming more convincing to me that we may already have sown the seeds of the demise of our and related species.
There is already such a massive amount of highly radioactive, virtually immortal material in sites around the world. Most if not all are vulnerable to all kinds of known natural and human induced disasters. As time goes on one can expect that more and more 50 and 100 and more mile unlivable and unproductive zones will be created.
And just as with Chernobyl and Japan, there is no way it can be put back.
While the governments incrementally declare increasing doses of irradiation “safe.” the man plunges to his destiny..
Someone else can build a better delivery system. Owning land or raw material is the only safe way to ensure your fortune. Or being a banker who owns the money.
These are the children of Chernobyl: http://www.slate.com/id/2291888/
Yes and yes. The underlying need is to get a better grid that also goes to the places where this kind of power can be generated.
That would also be profitable and create a lot of jobs. The issue is all of obscuration by the traditional energy sector and their lobbyists that keep it from happening.
Keep in mind, the complex processes involved in the generation of “nuclear” power are used to do only one thing.
Boil water.
The “nuclear” part does not generate power, the steam generated from the heat of the nuclear reaction turns a generator.
So, we have not only the waste to deal with, but also the threat of accidents, real or fabricated.
Off to a job interview for a cashier at an auto parts store. Wish me luck!
“When it works it is great, it produces power and no greenhouse gases. The problem is that when it fails it is a flat nightmare.”
Ahem, but nuclear power does create greenhouse gases. Fossil fuels are used at most of the steps in the nuclear fuel cycle – the building of the reactors, the mining of the uranium, the milling or extraction of the uranium from its ore, the transportation of the uranium, and the maintenance of the all the equipment to do the above. In addition, the uranium mining tailings are not cleaned up and are left to contaminate the communities they’re in. The water used to cool the reactors becomes radioactive.
In the normal operation of a nuclear reactor, there are regular controlled emissions of radioactivity into the air. Additionally, radioactivity leaks into the surrounding soil and water.
Without even looking at the accidents that are catastrophic, nuclear is not any where near clean.
Wind, solar, and geothermal are examples of energy that are much much cleaner to begin with and do not have any of the catastrophic dangers of nuclear accidents.
As Harvey Wasserman was suggesting on another thread today, I encourage everyone to call their senators and representatives and get commitments to remove taxpayer funded nuclear loan guarantees out of the federal budget. Without these guarantees, no new nuclear plants can be built. Please, those of you on facebook and twitter, please do your thing. Thanks.
Here is a photo essay of the land that was poisoned by the Chernobyl accident:
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-land-of-the-wolves/author.html
Building these things is a crime against the Planet and all life on it for the next 250K.
Check out Paul Fusco’s photographic project and book called Chernobyl Legacy.
http://inmotion.magnumphotos.com/essay/chernobyl
Sorry, this format has no easy way for me to provide the link, but the url is above.
PTB, can the diaries have the same format features as the main pages? Please?
Agreed. Please call your critters in Washington to remove loan guarantees from the federal budget. Thanks.
If we’d started work a decade ago, for the cost of one nuke plant we likely could already have had a few thousand miles of Solar Roadways by now. (And the technology to do paved paths with embedded solar cells exists today and will soon be used by the Dutch to pave bike paths first, then roads.)
Yeah, but so do any power generation plants. It is a net zero situation.
But we do agree on the better solution, wind and solar. I am keen on concentrated solar power, as it can be used for baseline generation, unlike photovoltaic cells (because you can store the heat and generate at night) and it can also be dual used on coasts for water desalination, which is going to be a bigger and bigger project in the future.
Best of all, every piece of the technology is already in use in other forms and is common to power generation.