In October of last year the Delta Kappa Epsilon pledges and the members who were “tapping” them went out and marched by the Yale Women’s Center chanting “No means yes, yes means anal” and “My name is Jack, I am a necrophiliac, I f**k dead women”. All good fun and games by a bunch of guys right? Wrong.
There is this boys will be boys culture in this country, and especially in some fraternities that is appalling. I get accused of being a humorless liberal, but there is no humor in statements and acts like that which can only intimidate.
Think about the mind set that you would have to have to think something like this was funny. You’d have to think you were being bold to make a statement like that, somehow charmingly shocking to go the Women’s Center and be a sexist jackass. Then to bring a whole group of men and chant about forcible rape (after all what else could No means Yes, possibly mean).
Try to put yourself in the shoes of a 18 year old female Freshman from a smallish city in the Midwest. What would she think about this? That is just a prank and there is nothing threatening to her or indoctrinating to the boys chanting it? Does anyone really think that is going to be the take away?
Yesterday the Dean Mary Miller sent out an e-mail to the entire Yale community announcing that the Executive Committee (made up of faculty and students) had concluded that the DKE chapter and individuals in it had violated Undergraduate Regulations by their actions.
Yale has requested that the National DKE organization suspend the charter for the Yale chapter for five years. After that time they would be able to participate again, as long as they registered as a student organization (currently all Greek system houses are not recognized student organizations at Yale).
The Greek system at universities across the country is not for everyone. At the same time it is just as open to stereotypes as any other group, especially groups that make a point of members being on the inside and everyone else being on the outside. Back when I was haunting the U of Michigan campus the Dekes (as DKE were called there) were enormous assholes. They were bullies and punks, just about everyone who wasn’t a Deke hated their guts.
Then there was the Zeta Psi House. Full disclosure, many of these guys were my pals. They were not a bunch of rich, over privileged douche-bags. The Zeta house was rather old and down in the heels and the membership were, while still party guys, more the kind that worked at the local restaurants to make ends meet. It was not a giant deal to be invited to hang out at the house, they were pretty much your normal students in the LSA program (Liberal Arts and Sciences).
The point here is not to sing the praises of one group of Greeks over the others, but to point out that there does not have to be a sexist culture inside a fraternity. The issue of rape is far to important to have any group on campus treat it cavalierly A 2000 study of this issue found that 1 in 4 women attending college will be raped or sexually victimized before they graduate.
Think about that for a second. Think about four women college age women you know. The statistics say that one of them will be raped while at college.
Rape is devastating, life changing event for anyone. Some people never get over it, some get over it only after years and years of slow healing. This is not the kind of thing that should be allowed to be joked about.
The fact is the most of the rapists that will attack 1 in 4 women students will also be students. There might be alcohol or drugs involved, after all college kids do party, but that is not an excuse. There is no excuse for unwanted sex ever.
Maybe it is that I grew up in a matriarchal family or that we were really liberal and my parents talked about this kind of thing, but I can’t for the life of me imagine having sex with someone who was throwing up drunk or was less than enthusiastically into it. I like sex as much as the next guy and was, I will admit, a horny guy in my college years, but to force yourself on someone is anathema to me.
Still I get a glimmer how it might be considered acceptable when you having things like the DKE pledge initiation. Again put yourself in the shoes of a Freshman, this time a young man. You really want to get into this fraternity, maybe your Dad or Uncles or even Grandfather was a DKE and it is wrapped up in family history.
Here are these cool older guys and they are not only encouraging you to say this kind of thing over and over, they are going to reward you for that kind of behavior by making you one of the “in guys” “One of them”. That is some very powerful imprinting there, wouldn’t you say?
It will be reinforced in a culture in the house that obviously values “score keeping” in terms of women bedded and is a highly competitive social environment where you can lose status and become the whipping boy at the first misstep. What do you think that puts in the mind of a 18 year old?
It is to be devoutly hoped that there are absolute “no goes” in the minds of men, that some things should always be beyond rationalization or consideration. Unfortunately in the real world that is not the case very often. The idea of No means No is a powerful and simple one. That is why it is repeated so often. But to have it countered by an initiation ritual can wipe it out in the impressionable minds of late teenagers.
Personally I think that the five year ban is in not enough. There is clearly there is a culture of this thing in the Greek System at Yale it was only two years ago that Zeta Psi (yeah all fraternities vary widely from school to school) had their pledges stand outside the same Women’s Center wearing tee-shirts that said “We Love Yale Sluts”.
With the number of rapes and sexual assaults on college campus’s being 4 times the rate elsewhere for women of the same age, this is an epidemic that demand more attention and greater response. Personally I’d ban all Houses at Yale for a decade, then restart them with a more stringent set of rules.
Is that stepping on a beloved tradition? You bet your ass it is, when there are 350 rapes for every 10,000 students on campus per year, I am ready to end any tradition that enables that kind of damage and criminality.
The floor is yours.




27 Comments

Pathetic. Next time I need ideas for chants, I will ask McDonald’s workers, and not the Yale DKE house, for ideas. On its face, this chant fails the laugh test. While some chants, though offensive, tend to be funny anyway, this chant is just…offensive.
Recommended.
PS I was a GDI in college, FWIW.
But, but, but … we need our fraternities to help mold the character of our future world leaders, our corporate chieftans and, like, heads of the IMF.
Good work, Bill.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/no-jail-time-for-katsav-before-outcome-of-appeal-against-rape-conviction-1.362536
Should have thrown them all out of school.
When we tolerate this behavior in any form … we get TeaBags.
George W. Bush was president of DKE when he was at Yale. During his tenure, there was a scandal involving “branding” of pledges with cigarettes. Just sayin’. . .
Kicking ‘em all out sounds good. So does closing the frat permanently. Preferably both.
What took Miller so long, anyway?
Bravo Mr. Egnor, bravo.
I second expelling all members of DKE at Yale and permanently closing the chapter at Yale. Aside from building future business connections and partying, what exactly is the point of the greek system?
Times have changed and I think this action by Dean Miller is one change for the better. Better than what? Well, my husband was in a college fraternity in 1967, a technical school in upper New York state. Their chapter was cut off from the national fraternity b/c they pledged a black man. Wonder what would happen if they pledged a woman?
these children are obviously beyond stupid.
that’s why they should be taught what is appropriate and what is not. they have shown they can not learn for themselves what is appropriate. so they should be taught.
here’s an idea. if these things think it’s “just good fun”, then I’m sure they don’t mind saying the same things to their parents. or how about just their mothers?
and I am very serious. that’s what they should do if it’s “no big deal”.
and I want to clarify I don’t mean as an option. make them do it. call their parents. and say this is what you son said.
and this is Yale? so there really is no difference than a place like Yale or FSU.
I abhor violence. but there are times (very few, and literally milliseconds) where I think these things need their own rhetoric thrust onto them.
so no means yes? and yes means anal? well, I am sure several members of the prison population would concur, especially about young men such as these. say hello to Bubba. and don’t worry about Caesar dressing. that’s not the salad they are talking about.
You know what kills me about this, is that the nature of fraternities and sororities could be use to actually shape better people. The idea of belonging is a strong one to young adults and used correctly they could be making their campuses and the world a better place.
yup.
sadly, it went the other way. 180 the other way.
I still say we introduce these young men to Bubba. I think they would get along famously.
Get photos of them and paste the photos with names all over campus.
Then ask them if maybe “they ” would like to receive anal? Then send the photos with a tape of what their boys were saying to their moms….with a note is that how your husband treats you? I know a Great Divorce Lawyer:)
Bwahahaha!
Actually, if you let this stuff pass, what you get is entitled-feeling men like DSK and Schwarzeneggere.
I fear this is part of an anti-feminist backlash. I went to frat parties in the 60′s, too (my first also in 1967!), and while guys might be a little pushy hoping to get you into bed, and I cannot at all say there were no rapes, I never felt unsafe.
Descriptions of male-female aggression at fraternities (and elsewhere on campus) in recent years is just appalling. I can’t imagine how young women put up with it.
Apparently, what it takes to deal with it firmly is a female dean. Let’s not overlook that.
They should be banned for ten years… by then, it might be able to reinstitute itself without all of the misogyny and sexism.
An even better idea than my idea of banning the fraternity for ten years.
Great post, btw, Bill!
Thanks, Bill, for bringing up a subject that most people don’t want to deal with. I have always hated the “boys will be boys” mind set. I don’t cut them any slack at all.
Wow.
Unbelievable.
Well done Bill, to shine a light on this behavior. One of your best posts, IMHO.
I know there are those that are going to claim it was all just a joke, but I’ve normally got a keen sense of humor and I didn’t find ANYTHING about that stunt “funny.”
At all.
Thanks Bill.
Thanks for the post, which highlights a very sickening and sad trend that one sees more in our “society” these days. Speaking as boomer/hippie, I wasn’t all that into the Greek system back in the day, and the Frats on the campus I attended didn’t. Most of the Frats (we didn’t have sororities on my campus; long story) had parties that everyone attended. It happened that they had a “house” with space usually for a band & some kegs and anyone who attended usually chipped in some $$$ to pay for the band & the beer.
Back in the day, girls were taught certain behavior in order to deal with young male “ardour,” but the boys, mostly, were taught to be respectful (or so it seemed at the time) and take a NO as meaning just that. How low the mighty have fallen.
Hey we all got up a lot of “stuff” back then, and I’m sure some lines were crossed sometimes. But I seriously cannot remember anything even approaching something as ugly, nasty, sexist, degrading and dehumanizing as this. It’s shockingly disgusting and way beyond the pale.
I note, though, that there’s been this tremendous rise in binge drinking on campuses in the past decade or so, to the point where there’s nearly always (maybe always) several college students who die due to alcohol poisoning annually, esp at the beginning of the school year. Colleges & Univ are trying a lot of different approaches to dealing with it, but I hear stories on the radio where the kids, themselves, report on what they drank in one night… and I find it shocking. I’m not a prude, but these kids are pounding down a tremendous amount of alcohol in a few short hours but characterizing what they drink as “not very much.”
I wonder when I hear about incidents, such as this, about the connection between out of control drinking leading to this kind of degrading behavior. Not to exonerate or condone the behavior, but it just *all* seems out of control.
Glad to hear that the Dean shut down the Frat. Think it should be for longer, imo. Hopefully also the kids, themselves, will have to attend some kinds of training/sensitivity classes of some sort – as in: how not to be a complete jerk, for starters.
A final thought is that a lot of our “entertainment” on tv, esp, but also in movies is both degraded & degrading. I watch little tv but here & there see like 5 min of a random show… and I’m pretty appalled at the way the humans on the show behave, speak to each other & treat one another. It’s like a race to the lowest common denominator, where the more loutish, brutal, nasty & crummy you behave, then you are the top-dog winner & hooray hooray.
How did we get here? How do we move on from this? Beats me.
Good to shine a light on this, though. Needs to be out there for others to see.
Good point, as to how much kids drink, without comprehending “how much” it really is. The norms have changed drastically.
Honestly, while I was a sort of semi-hippie who dropped out of a sorority before my pledge year was over, and welcomed the sexual and other revolutions, I’m goinng to say something that will sound conservative:
Part of the solution really might be to quit allowing students, especially undergraduates, to live off-campus. Don’t have to restore in loco parentis entirely, but it’s obvious that late adolescents are not ready to be totally responsible for themselves.
Living in a dorm you get your meals fixed for you, so you have a better chance of eating nutritiously, your rooms cleaned (or not, maybe, depends these days), you have people to talk to all the time for friendship and support, and ideally, you have a few adults to make sure you don’t do anything too stupid.
I think I might have failed out if I could have lived off-campus my freshman year.
Of course, that’s only partial, but I really think it could help.
It doesn’t address the misogynistic nature of the frat outrages, but then again, maybe sharing quarters and dining facilities in a dorm would mitigate that, too. But the larger culture is also to blame for it, so it’s not enough.
So it’s okay to joke about anal as long as it’s male rape and safely locked away behind prison walls? Wanna get suspended?
More Americans getting in touch with their inner-idiot! It’s infectious by the look of it. UBL’s last hurrah – a “bio”-weapon that induces mass idiocy across the country. Where will it crop up next I wonder?
Thanks for defending women against the BAD boys, Bill!
“there does not have to be a sexist culture inside a fraternity”
The fact is, there usually is a sexist culture in any given frat. The institution in question contains so much bath water that it’s often difficult to tell if there’s a baby in there somewhere.
Banning DKE won’t fix Yales problems because the entire greek system is a breeding ground for this type of behavior. In a few years time, a new DKE will emerge from Yales greek system.
I agree that not all fraternities are rape factories. But at any given time, at least one on every campus is indeed a rape factory. It’s a cultural feature built into the design of the greek system.
If Yale wanted to actually fix the problem they’d ban all private/exclusive organizations from university life.
Frats and sororities could either become student organizations open to all or they could go out of bidnez entirely.
Bill, the Greek system is rotten.
If we wanted to actually shape better people, we’d replace the greek system with student organizations which didn’t have exclusive/private membership.
Yeah, Yale… and it doesn’t sound much different than the University which I attended.
I still remember the party slogan’s which the popular “nice guy” frat put out for it’s annual beach party:
‘Thar she blows’
‘Taste the salty spray’
Of course they designed tee-shirts with suggestive artwork for each of these parties. For example, a woman and a whale in a suggestive(BJ) pose.
And that was really was the popular “nice guy” frat. To my knowledge, they didn’t have rape problems. Members of that frat included a US Senator’s son and the sibling of a White House aid.
On the other hand, one of the jock frats couldn’t seem to go a semester without some type of violent assault (usually sexual).