What is sauce for the goose should always be sauce for the gander. That is what we strive for in the law, an even application of investigation and prosecution for all those accused of a crime. Today former Sen. John Edwards is likely going to be indicted on charges that he did not report the hundreds of thousands of dollars that two donors paid to keep an affair quite during the last presidential nominating contest.
As you probably remember Sen. Edwards had an affair and a child with Rielle Hunter, who was a film maker working with the campaign. As with all of these scandals it is not the affair that has tripped up Edwards (we can shake a finger about the affair when you have a dying wife, but until you live in someone else’s life it is impossible to really understand their choices, especially about sex).
By trying to keep the whole thing quite Edwards has gotten himself in a position where it looks as though he has seriously violated campaign finance laws. The crux of the issue is; was the money that the two friends gave to fund the cover up something that was furthering his presidential bid?
If it is, then it is a campaign donation and must be reported. Of course that kind of ruins the whole cover up, after all you can’t put a expense down as “hiding pregnant mistress from dying wife” and expect no one to notice.
The Edwards defense is going to be that this money was not intended to help him become president but rather spare his dying wife the trauma and embarrassment of having it revealed that her husband had and affair and a child with another woman. If that is found to be the case then there is no crime here.
I don’t know how you can possibly separate the two, though. If Edwards were not running for president it is almost certain that his friends would not have given him all that money to help cover up the affair. That is probably what is going to sink him in the end.
To complicate things, if he pleads guilty to this, he has a strong chance of losing his license to practice law in North Carolina. There is an automatic disciplinary hearing in the State Bar whenever an attorney pleads guilty or no contest to a criminal charge in that state.
We will see where this all goes. But there is a bigger point to be made. If this is the standard that the DOJ is going to follow for this kind of thing, we should be expecting them to go aggressively after disgraced Sen. John Ensign.
The story there is basically the same. An affair that was going to be politically damaging, people other than the Senator paying off those involved for their silence. That is before we even get to the obvious and egregious violations of the one year ban on lobbying activities that Ensign is accused of orchestrating.
The fact that the DOJ just let this kind of thing go with a cursory investigation and then told Ensign that he was off the hook while aggressively pursuing John Edwards shows that there is some unacceptable leeway granted to sitting politicians. If anything, it should be the ones in office currently who are investigated as closely as possible. They are the ones that continue to have an impact on the governance of our nation. Whereas people like John Edwards are pretty much done in political terms.
Is there a double standard for Republicans? It sure seems that way, but we don’t know all the details of the Ensign investigation. It is possible the after all that Sen. Tom Coburn was negotiating for immunity in return for his testimony to the Ethics Committee and that meant the DOJ had to back off. However now that there is a clear accusation of criminal wrongdoing it is to be devotedly hoped that the DOJ will be as forward leaning with this investigation as they have been with Mr. Edwards.
Personally I don’t care who politicians have sex with (the usual caveat that it has to be consensual and of legal age) who knows what kind of relationship they have negotiated with their spouse? And frankly it is not our business if they are not saying one thing and doing another. However, if they are going to have extra-marital affairs they must be ready for them to be discovered and must not try to cover them up using large sums of money.
There is an inherent tendency of the powerful to think that not all the rules apply to them. It is completely understandable, but that is why it is so critical that we enforce our laws regarding those with political power strictly. It is one of the only bulwarks against corruption that we have, making sure that the magnitude of regret is so high that it deters the behavior.
I have always liked John Edwards’ politics. He seems to have a genuine concern for the poor and that is a focus that we really need in this nation. However I have no patience for those who break the law, even if the intentions were to spare his wife. If he really wanted to spare his wife, he should have kept his pants zipped up and on. It seems like he broke the law here and just like John Ensign if that is the case he needs to pay the price for this infraction, just like a guy who holds up a liquor store needs to face the law.
It remains to be seen where these two cases go, but I will not shed a single tear if both of these former Senators are convicted for this kind of behavior.
The floor is yours.




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Edwards threatened our corporate masters as a candidate. I think they will hound him to his grave. I’m more concerned about the crimes of ELECTED politicians.
To answer the question in the title, Bill, the short answer is no.
The long answer is that Obama wants to drive a stake in the heart of any possible political challenge from Edwards, ever. Which is why you see the hypocritical decision made on this selective prosecution of a Progressive Democrat, and the non-prosecution of a Wing-nut Repub like Ensign. And pleading guilty or being indicted for a felony charge, especially after the public humiliation of the affair itself, would ensure that Edwards will never be heard from again, unless it’s on TMZ.
Edwards’ campaign in 2008 had the effect of forcing both Obama and Hillary to the left, at least rhetorically, and I’m sure that rankled Obama – because he knows (unless he’s completely delusional) that he’s lost the energized support of the Progressive Left as he threw away one campaign promise after another.
if it does not fit, you musta quit.
wake me up when the Dept of Jokes goes after the bankers
I’m sorry but I can’t stay quite about your two misspelling errors. Something’s just not quiet right:)
WRT your post, if we stop the politicians from covering up stuff, what the hell will they do with all their time?
“John Edwards to be Indicted; Will John Ensign Soon Follow?”
No, of course not, silly.
Edwards threaten change that actually happens.
Ensign enjoys the protection of the Republican Brotherhood, Edwards does not. Ensign could still go down, it will just take a lot more effort.
“I don’t know how you can possibly separate the two, though. If Edwards were not running for president it is almost certain that his friends would not have given him all that money to help cover up the affair. That is probably what is going to sink him in the end.”
I don’t think that is true and from having read the whole indictment, as far the cash went, the only thing that I could see penalizing Edwards for was for payments for his haircuts that were explicitly noted to benefit Edwards personally as well as to escape campaign finance regulations.
Amongst other reasons I say that because Edwards was a celebrity who was a well-known national figure before running for President…even if Edwards hadn’t run, it would have made the news.
Also I think it gets very tricky when we’re talking about payments made between two third parties, which in reading the indictment, it sounds like the only way the case is being made is because Edwards supposedly knew about those payments…it is taking campaign financing from something clear-cut (you can’t contribute over $X amount) to something all fuzzy (did the candidate know you hired the candidates’ ex-mistress to help the candidate?).
Also it is troubling that the case is being made based on image protection, which would also seem to raise all sorts of issues separate and aside from direct payments. If someone writes an article on DKos, FDL, etc putting their candidate or cause in the best light, should they have to file with the FEC for making a campaign contribution? If put put out signs and flyers for a candidate or cause would that itself have to count as a campaign contribution? I say that because I don’t think protecting/promoting someone or something’s image should be considered a campaign contribution.
So the DOJ indicts Edwards …. but the creeps that cooked up a scheme to send Former Alabama Gov, Don Siegelman to jail are still running around free as a bird.The thieves on WALL ST that crashed the economy forcing millions of Americans to lose their lifetime savings & many millions of school children to suffer increase class size & teacher layoffs are still out & about.
Welcome to American Justice folks.
Why did Edwards run for president knowing what he knew? Stupid move that would have hurt a lot more people had he actually gotten the nomination.
Apparently, there is.
Bingo. About to make the same point myself.
I’m a bit bothered by the idea of someone seeking office dipping into the campaign contributions. Having little use for most incumbents, I don’t like the idea of a populist candidate screwing over people who give millions in small donations.
He could have avoided the whole thing by not having a mistress in the first place. And especially by not fathering her child.
He could have avoided the whole thing by acknowledging that he wasn’t in a position to seek the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination and that he would have hurt a lot of people had he actually gotten the nomination. What the f#ck was he thinking?
Edwards’ biggest tragedy is that by not keeping it in his pants he forfeited his chance to be the consensus primary/independent challenger to the Big Zero in 2012.
“John Edwards Indicted; Will John Ensign Soon Follow?”
Is that a rhetorical question?
And who decides whether we use this format or the other one for FDL threads? I like the other one better.
One can always draw the distinction that Ensign was not actively campaiging for an office (at least I don’t believe he was) and thus did not violate any campaign finance laws. That won’t get him off the hook on charges on the anti-lobbying issues.
Worse even, I detest this damn format. Crappy it is. I am sure someone has an argument in favour it but I think it is bloody stupid.
John Edwards was the first to push that there were ‘two Americas’. He verbalized a long time ago about the income disparity in America. Edwards said some good things. Not all has been shit.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s a pathetically disgusting mis-use of MY tax dollars… wasted on another “Clenis” style harrassment. If Edwards was a conservative, nothing would happen.
Edwards would most likely have never run for office again, but maybe could have been “re-habbed” to be active in some fashion like Spitzer. My take: Obama’s making d*mn sure that never happens.
Bastards! Pointless. waste of money.
Where are the JOBS?????????
what a lot of people seem to forget is that Edwards was the Don Quixote of the 2008 election, at least from the Dem side. He was a completely distant third in the amount of money raised compared to Hillary and Obama – who had the coffers of Wall Street and Corporate America thrown at their feet. Edwards never had that advantage.
Plus, the moment that a Black man announced his candidacy on Oprah, and that a Female with a realistic shot at becoming POTUS (and a former First Lady and Senator to boot) entered the race, all the Corporate media would cover is the “Black man/Female” storyline. It also didn’t help Edwards’ chances that he spoke about Two America’s and that he would fight the Banks and Insurance companies if elected.
I think Edwards knew he didn’t have a chance in hell, unless he could win an early primary and get the momentum necessary to win more. That he never won a state and stuck as long as he did tells me that he at least wanted to move the conversation of the campaign further to the left – and with Obama and Hillary he did. That we even got the shitty Affordable Care Act at all is because Edwards was a thorn to many in the 2008 election. Without him in the campaign I doubt Obama would have even attempted health care reform.
Ensign is a sitting Senator. Ensign’s anti-lobbying issues are much more clear-cut than the allegations against Edwards.
I’m less than thrilled with what Edwards did, but that said, ye olde double standard – OIKYAR – will reign supreme, even with a so-called “Democratic” (some conservatives call it “socialist”) Admin. What a frackin’ joke that is.
Obama’s making d*mn sure that he drives a stake thru any possible chance that Edwards ever has to re-hab himself, like Spitzer is. It’s b.s.
Yes, I agree: Edwards was stupid, *maybe* “ripped off” contributors (a big MAYBE; he’s NOT guilty until proven so in a court of law… unless of course Barry Zero decides you are); but he’s not in office and his chances of ever running again are less than zero.
I think it’s highly unlikely that one of Doug Coe’s “Family,” John Ensign, will ever get more than the mildest of taps on the wrist by the laughingly called Senate “Ethics” Committee.
What. a. Waste. of. My. Tax. Dollars.
I haven’t forgotten, and I quite agree, even tho the loathsome “HCR” act is the crappiest thing evah… there would’ve been nada but for Edwards pushing it.
Rail all you like about Edwards’ inability to keep it in his pants, imo, Edwards made a difference. And now Barry Zero’s making d*mn sure THAT never happens again.
Bastard.
good to see you OIG… i think the jobs are in China.
It looks like Edwards may make a fight of this, and if he does get a chance to talk about the politics of it all, the fact that he was always a long shot third behind Barry and Hillary, this might get interesting. I’ve read the 14 page indictment, and as far as these things go, to a lay person with some working legal experience it’s thin gruel and really catty – unlike the Scooter Libby indictment in Plamegate.
Exactly. Disgusting.
I think these are all good questions. I simply don’t know what happened, and whether it was outside the law or not. My sense is that we’ll probably know more soon. If there was coordination of the effort within the campaign, it makes it all much more dubious. So I’m withholding judgment.
Does the indictment say if campaign staff were involved in coordinating the payments or not?
I was one of Eliot Spitzer’s biggest defenders at the time, but I think the Edwards incident has a lot more question marks around it.
true that BP… but as godawful as O’Sellout’s been i’m ready to go door to door for Ron Jeremy.
Yes, the jobs are in China, unless you feel like moving to Haiti to work for something like $3/hour for Haines… all thanks due to the USG, who artificially forced their wages down.
The one thing with Edwards is that he is a trial lawyer/litigator. Usually I despise litigators (have worked in legal prof all my life), but the pit bull litigators out there are tough nuts to crack. So my one grim satisfaction is that, if he’s fired up enough, I think Edwards can really run rings around this b.s. Of course, I’m sure he’ll have counsel rep. him, but no doubt will have a lot of say behind the scenes.
Time will tell, but I’d love to see Edwards rip out a few good truths in this process. I’m so pissed off about this b.s. nonsense waste of my money that I could spit: PTOUI!!!!!
PS In re to another thread somewhere earlier this morning, it looks like maybe the Chinese have already taken over the USA. With the idiotic hubris & pathetic arrogance of our Overlords, I’m about to welcome our Chinese overlords with open arms. This sh*t’s ridiculous.
Jane Hamsher for President 2012…
has a nice ring to it. =)
Yes, you’re probably right, but the double standard with Ensign is what galls me. If I saw them really going for Ensign in a similar fashion – I think it is even more clear-cut about Ensign’s chicanery – I might be somewhat mollified.
Enjoy your snooze, Rip van Winkle…
Obama must protect his brothers… no, not Republicans. That is incidental. He must protect fellow lackeys, toadies and henchmen of the Oligarchs. Edwards, whatever his foibles, did not fit that mold. He called out the cowardly corporatist and other DLC lackeys, like Hillary, and forced them to move to the left, even if it was just hollow words. Good for John.
Edwards has more integrity, class and compassion than any of these toads, Obama especially. It’s too bad he did what he did, but perhaps that was part of him dealing with his pain of a dying wife, a son killed a few years earlier. Of opening up his awareness and moving to the left. It is hell when a loved one dies, especially after the roller-coaster of cancer. I will not condemn the man for his personal foibles and choices. Just salute him for his public courage.
Too bad we only have a handful of politicians who speak up these days and what happens to them in the end is usually not pleasant.
Let’s stick to actual laws broken. ‘The Scarlet Letter’ was just on Showtime this afternoon.
Paulson. Bernanke. All the banks that went down at exactly the same time. Martha Stewart going to prison but not Congresspeople with all their inside information and better than average dividends. BS> BS< BS< Bush. Cheney. Where is that universal jurisdiction?
The Chinese certainly know their Lenin: “given enough time, Capitalism will sell the rope we use to hang them.”
It’s probably time for me to order Rosetta Stone Mandarin and Cantonese 1.
if i read the indictment right, they are making that claim, assuming Person A is a campaign employee.
Exactly. Hear, hear!
I don’t like it either. But if murder and torture go unpunished it makes this kind of prosecution look petty and vindictive.
Yes, it did involve campaign staff, but I think prosecuting it opens up a whole can of worms if campaign contributions are considered anything that can benefit a candidate’s image. I would for instance expect candidates to knowingly and willfully direct their staff to contact news organizations, websites, etc to promote their image as campaigns hire people just for that, but I don’t think all those news organizations and websites that responded should be considered making a campaign contribution requiring them to file with the FEC even though they were talking to staff from the campaign.
I don’t even like Edwards and I think there are legitimate reasons for him to be indicted (like getting the haircuts off the campaign reporting), but this just makes me very nervous since it sounds like virtually anyone who is active in politics could be prosecuted for a felony…just accuse them of doing something to help a candidate’s image and then not reporting it to the FEC.
I would like to see Edwards make an independent run. Given the current field he would have my support. I don’t care about his sex life.
The sad thing to me about all this is the fact that the good message John Edwards brought about important issues and forward thinking ways to improve our country will be forever lost in the tawdriness of mainsteam assmedia. Conservatives will believe and propogate the idea that Edwards’ behaviour invalidates his viewpoints, so yet another voice that could make a difference is essentially silenced.
If Edwards ran for President in 2012, I would vote for him. He’s a better candidate than anything else as far as I can see… in either party. I would never toss the first stone.
One needs only to read as far as Page 1 to find that Person A is campaign staff. (This is the same person who falsely claimed paternity [at 27].)
Person A and Person A’s spouse are also alleged to have laundered the money through their personal accounts [at 24].
It does seem that the factual issue is whether the expenditures are “for the purpose of influencing the election” and “would have been made irrespective of the candidacy.”
They may be after his license, don’t want the guy getting hired to defend the little people against the PTB.
I suspect that Edwards will feel the full weight of the law. I doubt that Ensign will be so unfortunate. And Clarence Thomas will continue to sit on the Supreme Court and participate in cases that he should recuse himself from.
Edwards, whatever his faults, stood up for the little guy. His “two Americas” theme was unique among all the candidate for 2010. It has occurred to me that this message may have come as much from Elizabeth Edwards as from John Edwards, but we’ll never know.
Edwards will probably join the small and exclusive club of scapegoats, while most of the corruption continues unabated and unremarked.
First of all, John Edwards is aa ambulance chasing lawyer..which in itself is sleezy..But his profession just wasn’t enough to prove how sleezy he was.No he had to have an affair and father a love child, while his wife was undergoing cancer therapy. Then if that wasn’t enough to prove his sleeziness, he had to pay her to keep quiet..while all of the time running for the Worlds highest office, staring staight into the TV camera and lying lying lying..not only to his wife, but his children and the American public.
To even try to place John Ensign on the same level as this sociopath is laughable..John Edwards lives in a sociopathic world of utter and contemptible arrogance
The Justice department has time and resources to indict John Edwards but not the Wall St crooks who are tanking this nation . What the hell is this bullshit?
This is ridiculous, Justice should be prosecuting Wall Street, going after Edwards, or even Ensign is simply for show. Something to keep us from focusing on the fact that the men who took down the country and made a severe dent on the global economy are still being allowed to conduct business without any significant change in how they are doing their business.
The really infuriating fact? We have to bail them out the next time they get in over their heads! Since we didn’t restore Glass Steagall, it is just a matter of time.
Edwards was a fine trial lawyer who, if memory serves, got awards for badly injured victims whose medical bills would otherwise have been the responsibility of the victims or their families.
It’s grueling work. A great deal of it would be unnecessary if the U.S. had guaranteed healthcare as other industrialized countries do.
May you and yours never need to sue successfully or else be wiped out financially by medical debt that someone else’s negligence caused. And, it’s spelled ‘sleazy.’
Not just silenced. Obama’s DOJ has essentially driven a stake through him. I could see Edwards coming back, seeking forgiveness and understanding and running with a bolstered liberal/progressive stance. He could have caused havoc for BO and the Demosellouts. He would have been given a microphone just for the MSM thrill factor and could have made his points on real issues. I don’t count him out, yet, unless he is convicted and branded a felon. Then he may well not be able to vote for himself!!
In the meantime, IOKIYAR, or a bankster, or plutocrat, or ex-CEO or any other member of Obama’s cabinet.
What ambulance did he chase? Is it the one where the girl had her intestines sucked out in the kiddie wading pool? What’s your solution? Let the “Free market” handle it? Explain what he did as a trial lawyer against corporations that injured and killed people is so bad here. I’m waiting.