Okay, short, and not so sweet. In less than a week two supposedly gay women have turned out to be middle aged white men. This is tragic for a lot of reasons. I can understand the fun and power of writing as someone else, hell for three years I wrote in the voice a talking dog so I do get it. The thing is if you are a guy, stop freaking writing as a woman and especially as a gay woman.
Yes, straight men, we all get it. You like the idea of gay women (though I’ve always found it strange that so many men would be interested in women who are not interested in their, ahem, plumbing), really everyone knows that. However even if your desire is to bring a spot light to LGTB issues, doing it under the guise of a gay woman is not the right thing to do.
Tom McMasters, who was blogging as “A Gay Girl in Damascus”, was trying to bring light to the issues of Syria and the gay community. It seems that Bill Graber, the editor and publisher of Lez Get Real is also not a bad guy (with the exception of his penchant for pretending to be a gay woman) and claims that he took the name Paula Brooks because he was afraid when he started the blog that no one would take him seriously as a man talking about lesbian issues.
He has a point that it would be harder to gain traction as someone who is naturally outside the niche that he wanted to blog about, but that does not mean he has to be perpetrate a hoax against all his contributors and readers. Good writing and good caring advocacy trump identity over time.
I am not gay, but I write about issues of gender and sexual identity discrimination all the time. I don’t (except for the three years that I hid from my very conservative company that I was a blogger) feel the need to be anyone but myself.
I recognize that I don’t have the same insight that people living with these issues do, but at the same time I have friends and family and acquaintances that are gay. I’ve worked and lived with them my whole life and as such I am not going to just stand by while people make their life harder over who they are sexually attracted too.
Bill Graber and Tom McMasters could have taken this route. They could have been honest about who they were and still done the work. It would have been harder but it also would have been more honest. How is anyone who has read their work to know what was the scam and what was real at this point? Any good they might have done for the LGTB community is wiped away by the fraud they used.
I don’t talk a lot about white privilege, mostly because I am white and it would be like going to a fish to have him describe and critic water. When you swim in it everyday, you are not going to be as aware of it as someone that falls in and drowned by it. However I do see this as an example of it. Or maybe it should be called Straight Privilege.
What we have here are two white guys running up against that fact that their gender and sexuality are going to make it harder for them to have an impact in a certain area. So instead of busting their asses to build their credibility to speak in this area, they take on the role of a someone who automatically has some credibility. The expectation that it is okay to do this just screams that they feel entitled to jump to the head of the queue with their opinions.
I single out Bill Graber of “Lez Get Real” as the more heinous of the two. Mostly due to his of his long term hoax of not just the readers but his contributors. When the Washington Post was trying to find the Gay Girl in Damascus they looked at Graber’s Paula Brooks as the real writer. Then he did a really skeevey thing. From the Washington Post article:
Brooks had told reporters at The Washington Post that she could only speak on the phone through her father because she was deaf. She provided a photograph of her license as proof of her identity, which showed a woman named Paula Brooks.
On Monday, we continued to question her identity. We spoke to the man who identified himself as her father, who finally admitted after numerous telephone conversations:I am Paula Brooks. That man turned out to be Bill Graber.
I actually understand that when cornered most people are going to try to lie to cover it up. That is part of why things are so bad for Rep. Anthony Weiner, but when you are being called and asked about your identity by the Washington Post, you probably should just come clean. They are not just going to give up and go away.
Mr. Graber says that he is an advocate for gay rights. He says he started blogging about it to support friends of his who are gay. The problem is that if you are going to try to become a voice for change, you have to do it in your own voice. The internet offers a ton of ways to be anonymous, but as long as one is anonymous you can’t really make it to the big leagues and truly influence things.
He knew this when he choose a real name instead of some kind of pseudonym for his blog. He chose his wife’s name and built a person that is not real. Anytime that he talked about what Paula felt, anger, happiness, frustration it was never real, even if Graber felt that way himself.
So, for all those guys out there, and frankly for everyone else, if you want to be an advocate for an issue, then do it, do it in your own name if you can, but dont lie about who and what you are to gain an instant audience. If you do, you might achieve some positive things but in the end it will all come to nothing. Your castle will be built on pillars of sand and sooner or later the tide will come and bring it down around your ears.
The floor is yours.




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Out those straight white d00dz!
“I am not gay, but I write about issues of gender and sexual identity discrimination all the time. I don’t (except for the three years that I hid from my very conservative company that I was a blogger) feel the need to be anyone but myself.”
Well good for you. Me? I’m gay and always have been. The better part of my 64 years have been spent in gay activism.
What’s going on with this “Gay Girl in Baghdad” fraud is a replay of Laura Albert.
Go Google her like a good breeder.
Sorry, this smells like an HB Gary DoD operation. He used his identity to criticize DoD/white house critics. I mean, come on.
Well, I am just taking them at their word, which is probably not very bright given what they’ve done. But they do seem like they wanted to say something positive in terms of LGTB issues.
Ehrenstein47 and Jane Hamsher: Are these criticisms of Bill Egnor? For why? And is “breeder” a slur?
A minor quibble:
“What we have here are two white guys running up against that fact that their gender and sexuality are going to make it harder for them to have an impact in a certain area. ”
I think “white” is not germain in this context.
I agree that fakery is next to fuckery, but I hope this does not discourage those who live outside of an oppression from speaking up. I do so from time to time and I make mistakes and it is embarrassing but not as embarrassing to myself as keeping silent.
Great point. And I agree. But you speak up as yourself and that is really what the problem with both of these guys is. They did not just say “I see injustice and I will not let it thrive near me” they took it on themselves to fake and identity to be more credible.
Hey be nice to breeders, without us, there would be no gay folks at all. (at least for most of our history as species)
My problem with these cases is that the writers made a huge mistake in considering themselves a part of LGTB culture only in terms of sexuality, rather than as advocate-allies for queer issues, “queer” being the political component of gay culture and necessarily inclusive of non-gay people.
Liberalarts, I find the word “breeder” to be a slur. I am lesbian, transsexual, and I am also with Linda LaVictoire, the new owner of LezGetReal. I have not and do not lie about who I am. I am Linda’s daughter, and she is a straight woman. She writes because of me. What Garber did to us both is horrendous. I am very hurt by what he did, especially to me.
Ms Hamsher, sometimes there is no conspiracy. While our views differ on the issues at times, we have a lot more in common than not.
Here is the offer, though. You here on this site should have my email address via this particular profile. Contact me and I am willing to Skype with you to at least show you that I exist and I can vouchsafe for our other writers. While I cannot say that we will always agree, Ms Hampsher, it is as the great author and satirist Terry Pratchett said in The Truth “Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions.”
“… I’ve always found it strange that so many men would be interested in women who are not interested in their, ahem, plumbing.”
Huh? I have a number of women friends, both gay and straight that aren’t (ostensibly, anyway!) interested there. And it’s actually quite ok. I find it as satisfactory as my male friends who aren’t interested either.
bridgettepl, you wrote:
I find the term off-putting myself but I am not clear on what it is supposed to mean. What does the term “breeder” means to you?
I know this is quite old-fashioned, but I can’t think of much that is less anyone else’s business. But I may have missed the point of this post.
I want to see the documentary mentioned in “Film Exploring Murder of Navajo Transgender Teen to Air (by wendydavis, June 13, 2011) which is airing on Oregon Public Broadcasting beginning tonight (schedule for June 14, 16 & 18) as I think it pertains to the subject of this post.
Oh, now I get what Teddy was saying in the intro of his debate thread last night. Context is such a wonderful thing.
I don’t like the term Breeder because, as with all name calling, it’s minimizes, generalizes and diminishes a person.
As I am the mother of three children who I gave birth to, one could say that I bred. But, I have a few other tricks up my sleeves.
The only character that I can not be disappointed in for portraying themselves as anything but who they really are would be Cyrano de Bergerac. He gets a hall pass from me.
Thank you, Bill. And, thank you Jane for more contextual info.
I think he’s talking about the lipstick-lesbian fetish many straight men have. (Granted, lots of lesbians wear lipstick, but not many do it to act out some straight guy’s fantasy.)
It is interesting that two prominent “lesbians” turn out to be, well, male lesbians.
Jane does bring up a good point: Just as the conservative internet troll pretending to be a “liberal” or “former liberal” so he/she can attack lefties more effectively has been with us since the dawn of the public internet, I’m not surprised that a Booster Club member might want to adopt a persona that might help him in attacking critics of DoD and the White House, in that he’d be counting on progressives to treat a lesbian somewhat more gingerly than they would straight males (for fear of getting the “homophobe” label) AND he’d be able to make himself seem more progressive than he actually was, which would give his attacks of White House and DoD critics more weight.
You wuz The Talking Dog? Damn. Good to see ya again!
Indeed.
More to the point, it looks as if of the top three persons involved in “Lezgetreal”, none are actually lesbians and one isn’t even female.
Yep I was the Something the Dog Said. It was fun for a while but after it no longer mattered if the conservative owner of the company I worked for saw my posts, I became myself again.
Yeah, it has a lot going for it in that respect.
My former employer and king has been deposed but entrusted me with $27 million (US) which is needing to find safe harbor, so I have researching your fine background and will deposit that fortune into your bank account and promising all safeguardings once you assure that all your base are belong to yourself.
not the same impact without teh ALLCAPS. sorry.
Phoenix Woman, I guess you are talking about me? Are you saying that I am not a lesbian or that I am not female? On the first one, I happen to be lesbian even if I happen to be a virgin, and on the second, I definitely happen to be female even if I wasn’t born one. I am mid-transition, which is why I am a virgin. I chose a decade ago not to get involved in a relationship until I was through transitioning.
The other one, Linda, is straight, an Ally, and the mother of a lesbian transsexual.
Garber is no longer part of the site. Our other writers are all lesbians.
Bridgette P. LaVictoire
Digby blogged for years until gasp it was revealed she was a woman.
Anonymity is great. I had people assume for a year that I was a woman just because I advocated positions, or obsessed on issues, they assumed pegged me for female. Their tough luck. In other cases people would have dismissed my opinion if I wasn’t “committed” in the bacon and eggs sense.
On the internet, no one knows you’re a dog. Remember that. While we build up “relationships”, they’re virtual unless we do physical meets. And that role playing is good. Many people won’t participate if they have to come out as themselves, and often an internet-based role is much stronger than natural personality – something many shy actors have discovered.
The irony is that if 2 male pretend-lesbians is a significant number in 2011, the problem isn’t with them but the dearth of significant real lesbian bloggers.
And again, aside from scams, telling people what they can’t do on the internet is uncool. Net neutrality, eh?
No, not a criticism of Bill Egnor at all. Criticism of this sham operation.
And regarding “breeder”, whatever. It’s a funny reverse slur, relatively harmless, and makes me think of pod people. And at the end of the day, all these terms are funny if used in the right way – just don’t do it if you have a government or media job. And don’t pretend you’re sensitive when someone uses a term you don’t like.
Grr..i don’t even know this guy’s real name- Graber, not Garber. SIGH….I hate this.
Thanks for this post, by the way.
Bill Graber founded the site. He may have given it up, but he founded and set its general tone and editorial direction. And it was his site right up until 48 hours or so ago, so it’s not as if he’s been gone for ages and ages.
some of my best friends are breeders – and my parents too !
still think it’s funny, however. effing breeders…can’t take a joke because perhaps it’s a bit too close to the truth. The need to reproduce is a powerful desire built in to ALL of us, even the ones that choose not to.
Oh, actually terms like that, especially the ignorance behind it, can be harmful.
The old sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never harm me saying is not exactly accurate. Bones can heal better than broken spirits.
If there is a progressive woman in your life, ask her what she thinks about the term. Just for context, mind you.
Uh, who exactly can’t take a joke?
Now some women (as in one above) might take offense due to millenia-old bias that all they’re good for is breeding.
A little different from just hetero- vs. homo- intent without gender specific labeling.
I can’t tell what you’re saying. Funny as in pecular, or funny ha ha.
Can’t take a joke? I’m not getting what it is that your saying.
I don’t want to misinterpret your words.
I get good jokes, usually. I’m like Yogi.
Full disclosure: where I am it’s 1:17 pm (EDT) despite what the time stamp tells you.
Well, at least I’m not alone in perhaps misinterpting that comment.
(I gotcher joke right here.)
In this case, it may well be that of the reasons (if not the main reason) Graber wanted not just to use a pseudonym, but to pull a John Lott (remember “Mary Rosh“?) and change his gender (and to go Fund one better and change his sexual orientation) was for the same reason so many conservative trolls do the “I was a liberal until Obama/Clinton/Bozo the Clown made me conservative” lie, to lend an unearned, oblique sort of quasi-progressive “legitimacy” to his attacks on White House and DoD critics.
Newfoundland!
Ever the Intelligent Ms. Woman.
You!
i just think it’s humorous that people take offense to the term since people who reproduce ARE breeders. if it’s so upsetting, they should probably try to take owenership of the term as something to be proud of.
If you have to later claim it was a joke, it wasn’t.
“On the internet, no one knows you’re a
dog.”Koko’s First Interspecies Web Chat: Transcript on AOL via sign language interpreter, Dr. Penny Patterson (1998)
Comment meant for sirlurksalot, not demi.
Precisely! The official designation is Charlotte, NC — aka The Queen City.
Pheonix Woman,
That still doesn’t answer were you talking about me?
And, yes, we hope to move past this.
Thank you, Joel.
When someone finds a comment or term offensive, there are two obvious options. One is to make an argument that what you said actually was funny and the offended are humor challenged and/or argue that the comment actually was not offensive and the offended are mistaken in some way.
Or… you can take a time out, do a little research, try to discover why or how someone might be offended. It is possible that with additional information you might alter your opinion.
Half of all breeders won’t stop to ask for directions.
(Link to study data available in the lobby after the thread has concluded.)
(self modified.)
As you were, Sir.
Again, self modding.
I’m taking names. Just to be clear.
crystal.
Is there any possible way to find this on the internet?
I would like to see it also.
Sometimes it’s better to step away.
I’m going to go plant the pumpkin and watermelon plants I bought yesterday.
Some say fresh air is good.
The paradox (?) of the issue-as-”tragic” is that my computer understands it intrinsically but cannot prove that it understands anything.
This is an interesting post and thread but I am not sure I understand a word of it, so I am going to read it again!
Usually you can watch their videos after a films online once they has aired. A commenter at dagblog said his PBS won’t air it until tomorrow night though. ?
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/two-spirits/
Oh-I should have said that later that link should have a Watch the Video (or Film) button. ;~)
LOL! But then there are also heterosexuals who are infertile: No Breeding, like it or not!
(I’m both infertile AND think it’s a funny term.) ;o) Different sensibilities abound…
Girl, as Radar O’Reilly once said, “I don’t try to understand, sir; it just slows down the work.”
Go pull cords offa dead small appliances; way more productive. ;o)
LOL bridgette, I am drawing a chart with connections like you do on those brain teasers where you are trying to figure out if the uncle is really also the son. Or something. Okay. think I got it. Thank you for sharing this.
A bit slow here, pictures help me out though!
There is something a bit creepy about two middle-aged men pretending to be blogging as lesbians. Why don’t they just be themselves?
In this case, men breed as well, and the slur/humor is at all heteros who can’t keep their gametes from lip-locking.
Methinks if a spirit is broken by being called a “breeder” it was already in tatters. And I’d guess there’s much more venom and historical/current baggage in the term “housewife” than in “breeder”. Unless “soccer mom” has a lofty motivational sense I’m not acquainted with.
Try on the internet discussing black issues if you’re not black, LBGT issues if you’re not LBGT, women’s issues if you’re not female, etc.
Typically at some point you’re told to piss off when someone disagrees because how could you possibly understand if you don’t share the identity?
You may not be a breeder, but you’re aiding and abetting by raising someone else’s children – kinda like a fellow traveler. Should be ashamed of yourself. Maybe should call folks like you “Feeders”.
Hmmm, someone missed the note that anyone who attacks Obama is racist is an insatiable dirty fucking hippy, a right-winger/libertarian/tee-bagger, racist, a traitor to the Democratic party, and/or some combination of all 4. Anyone who thought that being lesbian would lower the payback was certainly deluded.
Breeder generally means heterosexual, although I understand it to refer more specifically to a sexually active heterosexual who has produced children.
My gay and lesbian friends have occasionally called me their token “breeder” friend. The term was never used maliciously and I never took offense. If anything it was used affectionately rather like a term of endearment. Whether it’s a slur depends on who says it and the context in which it is said.
Unlike a lot of heterosexual males, I do not fear homosexual males and I am as comfortable among them as I am a group of lesbians or a group of heterosexual males. I honestly do not understand why heterosexual males fear homosexual males and are so fascinated by lesbians. Their fears are bizarre and incomprehensible to me.
I have to say that I don’t understand why a heterosexual male would want to pretend to be a lesbian on-line, unless he was running some kind of scam for money, but I don’t pretend to have all the answers to matters sexual.
Heh heh, Koko said “nipple”. Cool. Time to pull out my Beavis and Butthead tapes. Used to have a special sign for Koko giving the finger as well.
I CONFESS! i CONFESS! I have spent some portion of my life AIDING AND ABETTING BREEDERS! I am an (almost) ambulatory bag of water raising kids of the Breeders who were unable to; and they are (gasp of gasps): Kids of Color!
Everybody hates me, and with good reason; especially the organization ‘Black Children for Black Parents, plus the small print in the Indian Child Welfare Act.
I AM A FEEDER, though not, thank the goddess, ‘a Bottom-Feeder’!
(Welcome home, Huckleberry. Er… YOUR home, not mine…er…LOL! Missed yer cranky-ass humor, but only marginally. My mama warned me about Trolls like you, Huckleberry Bama-Boy.)
In that way, but not in every way, I will agree with the oft-times wrong Desidero. I have raised adopted kids of color (one black, one Native American, and the average Black Blogger on a site at which I blogged for two years, discredited every last thing I could offer since I wasn’t black.
That said, these faux-Lesbians might be just the asshats Ms. Hamsher described: HB Gary folks; we’ll see. I’m not into duplicity for the most part, though I blog under my own name, so…I may not be the one to ask.
I am blogging under a pseud at another site, but most of my friends said it’s ridiculous; I can’t disguise myself quite enough. Oh yeah; plus one of my detractors must have been tipped of early (maybe by the site owners?) and outed me. Fuck it. ‘I am me’, as someone said once. No; twice. ;o)
Wasn’t that Popeye’s tag-line?
And what do you mean “oft-times wrong”? Last week you said I was “incomprehensible”. Can’t have it both ways, hon.
Can’t irk me with “Huckleberry” – gotta call me a “cracker”. Which could be bottom of the cracker barrel, who knows.
In this case I just give up, and rely on Monty Python to finish the job: “No chance, English bed-wetting types. I burst my pimples at you and call your door-opening request a silly thing, you tiny-brained wipers of other people’s bottoms!”
If that doesn’t break your spirit, don’t know what will.
That was ‘pipple’ Koko signed, ya goon! ;o)
Nah; Popeye’s was “I yam what I yam and that’s all what I yam…” Mine was maybe John Lennon?
Aw, heck; Huck and Bama-boy are endearments. See how you are, ya cracker?
love,
Big Jim
Sheesh, having trouble choosing between Big Jim beef jerky and my normal tabakky.
She said “nipple”, at least according to that site. “Pipple” was Red Foxx’s mix of Pink Champagne and Ripple.
And I think George Sand was one of the earliest gender undercover bloggers. Guess I’ll condemn her as a scam – t’aint’ fair.
Stick with that there wacky tabakky, my Pappy allus used ta say. And good point about George Sand, but she couldn’t get published as a woman, so there’s that.
Okay, thanks, we do not have a TV, this is why I ask.
So we all know from experience and observation (yup, we all have moms!) that among human beings only females bear children. However, the concepts and attitudes in some very old cultures (e.g. Balinese, Polynesian, Australian Aboriginal, American Indian, Newari) about what is the feminine and the masculine (even concepts that they may not be mutually exclusive) is not about whether one can(not) bear chilren due to phyisology or “health status.” What I find unsettling about the term “breeder” which comes out of and is only used within American culture is that it seems to carry a tone of deprecation toward parenthood and females. I have had the excellent good fortune to interact in other societies almost completely devoid of this and, quite frankly, it put them at complete odds with European colonialism of the late 1400s through the 1800s. There are human cultures that are now extinct as a result of that period but the ones that survived are still struggling against genocide due to the neo-colonialism of corporatism.
I created an account just to comment. It is amazing the lengths some straight men will go to to indulge in their fetishes. I believe that in the case of both men, pretending to be lesbians was nothing but win for them: First, you get to live your erotic fantasy of being a cute, kick-ass lesbian. On top of it all, a lot of people praise you for being so heroic. You can also sexy chat with real young women who have sex with other women–something for which you’d have to pay some fake-lesbian pro if you presented your real (might I add, unattractive) male visages online.
What is my expertise in this subject, you might ask? I am a straight woman used to be married to a man who barely skated on the edge of personal ethics with the same fetish. To the best of my knowledge he never pretended to be a lesbian online, but he joined several lesbian rights-oriented womens organizations and activities, and clearly basked in the praise he received from the young women he met there. His nightstand was full of erotica written by and for lesbians. My ex didn’t participate in organizations that forwarded gay mens rights, and he always seemed to be otherwise occupied when invited to events that were more gay male-oriented.
I guarantee that eventually women will come forward who were enticed to share intimate photos or engage in sexual conversations with these men. Maybe my feelings are personal and biased because of it, but I think both men are manipulative creeps.
Welcome to The Lake!
Heh.
I actually did.
That’s what’s funny.
A few thought, mzchief. For myself, breeders is a supremely ironic term, brought to us, as far as I know, by one of my favorite writers imagining theocratic dystopia, Margaret Atwood. Consider this from The Handmaid’s Tale:
“The Handmaid’s Tale begins near Boston in the mid-1980′s. A faction of right-wing Christians establishes a dictatorship after killing members of the United States government. The result is Gilead, an ultraconservative country that denies women power. Women are unable to hold jobs, use credit cards, or seek education. Also, massive pollution exists due to nuclear and biological warfare. Radioactive territory, known as the Colonies, becomes the home of Jews and of other minorities, because the new government wants only to propagate members of their own sect. Essentially, Atwood has created a dystopia which stands in direct opposition to an ideal world or utopia. Atwood drew upon research about present-day trends in environmental degradation and diseases to create an authentic setting.
Due to massive pollution and to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, reproduction is difficult for women. Many babies are miscarried or born with defects. Women who cannot reproduce, as well as homosexuals, are considered worthless and are banished to the Colonies. Women are divided up into classes; colored clothing is used to separate the classes. The government establishes a secret police force to arrest fertile women, who become Handmaids. These Handmaids are breeders who must participate in sexual acts in order to create more members of the white race.”
The term ‘breeder’ is also now anachronistic, with the advent of in vitro fertilization and sperm banks to achieve pregnancy, so lesbians who want to be mothers can and do use those strategies, or even achieve pregnancy with the help of friends donating sperm; and yes, while there are more high-tech tools, turkey basters do work.
I envy your firsthand experience with other cultures (I am sadly pretty provincial, and I don’t think it’s a good thing). But I do see some humor in the term because of the Atwood context, though I am a fan of the ironic; I’ve had to be for many reasons, including wanting to give birth and being unable, and facing the intense scrutiny of asshole Social Services caseworkers assessing whether or not my husband I were fit to be adotive parents, or are house was perfect enough, and facing judges who needed to approve final adoptions who were racial bigots and worse.
Where I cross-posted my diary about Fred’s film, there was a brief discussion about male/female attributes. I take some amount of teasing for the (often) biographical stories I used to post at TPM Cafe, and I mentioned that it will be really something when one day (I post at dagblog as We Are Stardust) science will say that ‘Stardust has X amount of male, and X amount of female characteristics. i.e., so much Sugar and Spice and so much of Snips and Snails… I have done many jobs and much work in my life that’s not generally thought of as ‘feminine’, and I really never gave a flying fart. ;o)
I even once pounded steel with a local blacksmith; built a house, have learned to lay block and rock and cold-chisel paving rock for flagstone walkways…and more. I worked construction and as a maintenance worker for a city parks department to earn my tuition for massage school, then did body work for at least 25 years.
So for me, mzchief, the words just aren’t that offensive; ‘I yam what I yam’, IOW, and proud to be that woman. And I wouldn’t hesitate to call bullshit on anyone who used a word that offends me. that’s all.
Mr. Desidero once teased me that I had already outed myself as a cross-dresser (hope I have that right, Des); it wickled me titless, to say the truth. It was said fondly, I am sure.
Ms Hamsher,
It is so nice to know that you guys didn’t want to reach out to me, the new owner, of LGR on either this board or via email, which you should have through my registration on this site.
Here’s the deal, what ever Mr. Graber did was his own. Still, let me set the record ‘straight’ here, if you will.
http://www.bilerico.com/2011/06/lez_get_real_inside_the_imagined_life_of_paula_bro.php
Our interview with Adam is set to go to press tomorrow. But at the bottom, you have verification that, and Linda LaVictoire are real.
The last half of the first segment is the CBC’s interview with me.
http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/
I would really appreciate it if you stopped calling us a ‘sham’. We put our opinions on the line, and guess what Ms Hamsher, I really wish that Liberals WOULD treat us a bit better because we’re lesbian…scratch that, actually, I can report to you that, no, Liberals can be just as pain in the arse as Conservatives- but with one difference. Liberals at least have an argument.
So, please, stop calling this a sham. I, for one, just went through the most terrifying 24 hours in my life, and have had to deal with losing my best friend, so right now, I’m a tad emotional. But right now, disparaging this site is disparaging ME- got it?
Comparing apples and oranges, I see.
Look at the facts: We’ve had two guys in the space of two days reveal that they had pretended to be lesbian women. The revelation of one of them has dealt a serious blow to the Syrian protesters whose cause he espoused, as the Syrian government is using him to smear the others by association.
What’s even worse is that “Paula Brooks”, the “lesbian blogger” who gave Amina/MacMaster his start as a fake lesbian blogger, was a man as well, and a US military veteran — just the sort of thing the Syrian régime would love to use to show that the US government is behind the whole Arab Spring movement.
It has other implications as well:
Hmmm. So he wanted to get out from under being called an America-hater or Jew-hater because of his opinions, and in order to do this he becomes — a Syrian lesbian? If deflecting charges of antisemitism was his goal, why not pretend to be a Jewish lesbian?
Something about this is stinky.
Cross dressing? I think I was referring to that huge crucifix on your back…. Yes, it was said fonduely, i.e. those little sticks in our 1970′s dining sets with way more cheese than we would dare eat today. Keep on pounding. You’re the only one I know who takes 3 months to fill out the census forms, having a house full of “other” and “none of the above”.
Is there anything in the 2 bloggers’ writing that indicates they were getting an erotic thrill, vs. just using an easier platform to get message across? It takes a lot more energy to physically go to lesbian activities for a scam than to just write a blog from your sofa.
I haven’t read them, so really don’t know – just that I found it curious to be mislabeled a female for a year because of what I wrote (I never claimed to be either male or female – just let people carry there conceptions wherever).
I also recall one blogger who’d had problems with her husbands and a particular fetish, and she transferred that problem to all of American politics and diagnosis of what bloggers should be focused on. Regarding “women… who were enticed to share intimate photos…”, from what I’ve noticed both genders like showing their nekkid nether regions as part of that primate-laced ritual called mating/flirting/having some fun/gorillas gone wild. If you go into an anonymous bath house, don’t be surprised to find you were cavorting with an ape rather than the perfect partner of your choice.
So you pick apart his response to focus on one word, “Jews”, vs. the overall sentiment, which is “you ain’t from around here, boy, so your opinions don’t count”.
Sure, picking a Syrian front will not take away the Jew-hater taint. It’s a quick choice – if you’re seen as Jewish, you’ll be anti-Arab or a traitor to your people. If you’re seen as Arab, you’re a Jew-hater. Pick your poison. He picked his.
I note in the article you linked to this part: As Carolin says, he is ignored the first rule of being an ally, which is “don’t try to speak for the people you’re trying to support”.
Said simpler, “fuck off, White Boy, just send cash and keep your big trap shut”. Which is exactly why someone might carry a persona to start with. The article then goes on to condemn someone actually getting a thrill by pushing a viewpoint – how heinous – someone writing actually enjoying it.
Yes, it’s unfortunate that people were misled. But it’s fortunate that someone stepped up to create a site for lesbian viewpoints in the Mideast, as it appears no actual Mideast lesbians volunteered for the job. Maybe now a few will. (Don’t we all know that men are more likely to be forthright and pushy with their opinions on the internet, which is why the medium has long been dominated by that pushy demographic?)
So yeah, the internet is not an ideal place, and there will be some odd twists. I’m still not understanding the furor, aside from “he was working our side of the street, how dare he”. (That a 2nd fake lesbian was outed was directly related to the first being outed, so it’s not exactly synchronicity)
Many people assumed I was female on-line, because they couldn’t understand why a male would take a female-support stance or give female issues more than a cursory glance. So I actually benefited from their mistake, even though they then dismissed me as just engaging in “identity politics” because they thought I was a woman. And there were times I was in on-line spats about LBTG politics, and made sure my sexual orientation wasn’t obvious so my opinion wouldn’t be dismissed outright. Even not supporting Obama fervently enough gets you labeled a “tea-bagger” even if you’re advocating a position far to his left. That’s how the internet works.
@Desidero June 15th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Not a cross, dude; it’s an X. The shirt says, “Hey, lightning! Over here!” (on the bad days only). ;o)
Alas; my pounding days are done; forced into a more dainty lifestyle now…
The Guardian has a piece up ‘analyzing’ the male bloggers; I confess I got bored and quit reading.
Oh, shoot; I’ll go fetch it. That’ll be $3.99, please pay the cashier on your way out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/14/men-dont-understand-lesbians-bindel
Sigh, they just assume the 2 guys were writing lez-perspective from some sort of sexual thrill. Lessee, Ken Kesey wrote Cuckoo’s Nest from Chief Broom/Bromden’s voice and perspective. Does that make Ken some kind of latent bedroom pow-wower? And that damn JK Rowling – what kind of male pedophile yearning she must have writing Harry Potter. Edward Stratemeyer created Nancy Drew, obviously with the sole intention of getting young girls to play hide the salami with him. Can only imagine how we should condemn Oscar Wilde for writing Salome.
What sexist/social nonsense. People are curious, that’s why they read and write about different cultures and personality types and become interested in them. This nanny/school master attitude that everyone, especially white males, has to stay in role is just simply ugly and inhuman.
Dave Seaton recently did a blog on the men around Shirley Temple having been pedophiles. Urp. No, Double Urp. Guess they musta loved Nabakov.
Woaah, you’re going to compare 6-year-old Shirley Temple with 14-year-old Sue Lyon? And from a pedophile’s point of view, Nabokov must have been disappointing – the child grows up and out so quickly.
(A model for a half Lyon, half Temple type can be found in “The Bad Seed”, in which the minor can be shown using her budding sexuality to do really horrific things. For a more salacious Lolita-type interaction, you can try “Baby Doll”, even though the lead character is technically of age despite her chosen attire and crib.
@Desidero June 15th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Erm…may I hastily reply: No thanks! ?
You could, but you’d be missing some mighty fine 1950′s noir cinema. Check out Wages of Fear if you just want tension without sensuality. Of course if you just want to pound (george) sand all day…
Reductive interpretation. To these guys, a lesbian fantasy persona is (I presume) a slightly masculinized woman who can love/lust after women without the baggage of guilt, and can also engage (in private sphere, not public) in the kind of mental sexual play that is an extension of their masturbatory fantasies of lesbian (penis-free) sex.
Look, women play with alternate sexual personas too, e.g. slash fiction. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of fantasy play, as long as your fellow participants know the score.