What the Hell is Sen. Kent Conrad smoking? And why it is that he won’t share (c’mon, Senator, don’t bogart that doobie!)? In today’s Washington Post Sen. Conrad enables the hostage taking of the Republican Party by saying that he does not think that the two trillion in budget cuts that the Administration is talking about is enough.
Worse, the Senior Dufus from North Dakota is actually tying these cuts to the Republican threat of not raising our debt ceiling. But don’t take my word for, here is a quote:
Conrad said he would agree to raise the debt limit for no longer than six months without a more serious effort to reduce future borrowing. And he told reporters that he is recruiting like-minded senators to “send a very clear message that some of us are not going to vote for a long-term extension of the debt limit unless there is a credible plan” to reduce borrowing.
This is not the first time that that Conserva-Dem has tried to hijack the raising of the debt limit ceiling. He was instrumental when we had a 59 seat majority in the Senate for holding up the last round of debt ceiling increase. At the time he rounded up 12 Senators and insisted on the creation of the Simpson Bowels Cat Food Commission as the price for their votes.
What makes me nuts about this whole thing is that it has no basis in economic reality. Yes our debt is high, we have been in the worst economic downturn (major recession plus an anemic recovery) that the nation has seen in 80 years, pretty much the life time of the majority of the nation, this tends to lead to higher debt.
However, the cost of borrowing is at historic lows. 3% is not a lot of interest to pay on new debt and the reality is that we need more stimulus not less. That is not just the opinion of a Liberal Blogger, but by someone who would be considered a real authority in such things, PIMCO founder, Bill Gross.
Mr. Gross just put out a prospectus that takes all the lawmakers who are focused on debt to the woodshed. From the TMP article about it:
Both parties, in fact, are moving to anti-Keynesian policy orientations, which deny additional stimulus and make rather awkward and unsubstantiated claims that if you balance the budget, “they will come.”
It is envisioned that corporations or investors will somehow overnight be attracted to the revived competitiveness of the U.S. labor market: Politicians feel that fiscal conservatism equates to job growth. It’s difficult to believe, however, that an American-based corporation, with profits as its primary focus, can somehow be wooed back to American soil with a feeble and historically unjustified assurance that Social Security will be now secure or that medical care inflation will disinflate.
Admittedly, those are long-term requirements for a stable and healthy economy, but fiscal balance alone will not likely produce 20 million jobs over the next decade. The move towards it, in fact, if implemented too quickly, could stultify economic growth. Fed Chairman Bernanke has said as much, suggesting the urgency of a congressional medium-term plan to reduce the deficit but that immediate cuts are self-defeating if they were to undercut the still-fragile economy.
This is a guy who has made his life and fortune on bonds, and even he is saying this “cut, Cut, CUT!” mentality is not only flawed but actively dangerous to the US economy. What is it that this fella that most would expect to be a bond vigilantly wants us to do? Here is what he says:
“Government must take a leading role in job creation. Conservative or even liberal agendas that cede responsibility for job creation to the private sector over the next few years are simply dazed or perhaps crazed…. In the near term, then, we should not rely solely on job or corporate-directed payroll tax credits because corporations may not take enough of that bait, and they’re sitting pretty as it is. Government must step up to the plate, as it should have in early 2009. An infrastructure bank to fund badly needed reconstruction projects is a commonly accepted idea, despite the limitations of the original “shovel-ready” stimulus program in 2009.”
Sounds like something you’d read in these pages doesn’t it?
Besides being just ass-backwards wrong on what the nation needs, Sen. Conrad is also playing really dangerous games, holding the debt ceiling hostage like this. Everyone and their brother from Wall St. to Paul Krugman to the Secretary of Treasury has said that defaulting or even coming close to doing so would be a catastrophe. Today the ex-Chief Economist for the IMF ,Simon Johnson, weighed in as well. He said:
“It would be very damaging, there’s no question about that,” Johnson said of a debt ceiling default. “It would really destabilize financial markets and lead to all sorts of unpleasant repercussions in the United States and around the world.”
Which is pretty much what everyone else has said, as well. The reason that it could be so devastating for the planetary economy is that U.S. Treasury bonds are the basis of planetary lending. They are, currently, considered the safest investment in the world. The full faith and credit of the United States has never been anything but money in the bank, but that would quickly erode if default for even a day on our debt.
The follow on effects are hard to exaggerate. The cost of our debt would suddenly be much higher, the teetering economies in Europe would be devastated. Our currency would plummet and that added to the higher cost of borrowing would push inflation into overdrive.
The real insanity here is that it would be a self inflicted wound. We can continue to limp along without a new stimulus. It will be incredibly painful for all but the top 1% of earners (you know, the folks who earn more than 20% of the total income of the nation) but we could probably get by. However if we play Russian Roulette with a pistol with six bullets in it, which is what failing to raise the debt ceiling effectively is, then we will put ourselves in a position where there are no good outcomes, for decades.
This is what our pal and soi-disant economic savvy Sen. Conrad wants to play with. He is a prime example of an ideologue. Even as he plays with fire he is giving cover to Sen. Mitch “Box-Turtle” McConnell’s horrible idea of extending the debt ceiling for only six months or so, while the two of them extort more draconian cuts out of the Obama Administration and Congressional Democrats.
As a life long Democrat I completely get why Progressives and Liberals are disgusted with the party. When people the leaders on economics are aiding and abetting the Republican hostage taking, when they are talking about continuing this extortion and keeping our creditors in a constant state of agitation about the credit worthiness of our nation, when those same leaders are talking about massive cut to programs that help the middle class and the working and unemployed poor, then it is not hard to understand the feelings of betrayal and abandonment.
If the price for electing Democratic Senators from conservative states like North Dakota is people like Kent Conrad, then I am think that price is too high. He and Ben Nelson and our caucus mate Joe Lieberman have done more to water down and derail any Liberal agenda in the Senate than Sen. McConnell ever has.
It seems to me that it might be time to tell Sen. Conrad that his opinion is not valued and that if he is really so comfortable with the policies on the other side of the isle, then he should just make the change and take his chances with a Tea Party primary challenge. Since Republicans are blocking our nominations anyway, cost benefits of having him in our caucus does not look that favorable.
The floor is yours.




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Nero fiddled while Rome burned..this is just another example (in a long line of examples) of how corrupt these pricks are and how much they really don’t care about anyone. And where is Obama? Oh trying to look above it all while appealing to those mythical independants who will vote for him based on his caving in…just who are these people? Jamie Diamond and friends perhaps? I wish I had an answer but I will not support Obama
If we’re going to be held hostage, might as well be held hostage by Republicans.
We are not required (yet) to vote for these clowns. Liberate yourself from the Stockholm syndrome. Just stop voting for centrists, candidates who enable centrists, and candidates who refuse to oppose centrists.
Kunt Conrad is a traitor to the middle class of this country and should be treated accordingly.
Who is Jamie Diamond? Neil’s brother?
Conrad was elected in ’86, now he makes you nuts?
heh… made me laugh.
As you well know, though, the commenter meant Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan, Chase, a world-class rip-off artist, in other words.
You malign our lovely herb! One smokes and becomes zen, not an idiot.
My apologies! I did not mean to harsh the kind bud, it might be that Conrad is smoking crack.
Conrad is nothing but a Blue Dog Democrat living in the North. Remember this is the same guy who Michael Moore exposed in “Capitalism..a love story” taking perks from I believe it was Country Wide Mortgage before the bubble burst and middle class america mortgages went belly up. Hopefully we can get him out before he does too much damage.
Thanks for the update. Like most of the other multi-millionaires in the Senate, Conrad is working for the super-rich & well-connected, which includes (no surprise) himself!
Conrad doesn’t give a sh*t about Main Street; he only cares about Wall St and himself.
Good to have this info, however.
Conrad is right up there with Lieberman in my opinion. Can’t stand him. What has he ever done for the country?
Two trillion? Hell, the Pentagon loses that kind of change in the couch.
From now on I think we have to make R-Dems like this guy as uncomfortable as possible. We must make every effort to shame them in as public a way as possible. A full-on concerted effort to call them out in the MSN when ever possible. Run ads in their districts. Both T.V. and print. Protest their offices in D.C. and at home. Where ever and when ever we can. We must make Dems understand that there is a price to pay for not standing up for the values that we are all suppost to share.
If we are not willing to do this then we deserve oblivion!
It is hard to push Conrad, he is retiring.
1. the fed sets short term interest rates.
2. the fed govt does not fund spending from either borrowing or taxing (actually the fed govt must, as a logical matter, spend before it can tax). the constraints are political, not economic. (perhaps left over from gold convertibility days).
seriously. we progressives need to get this stuff straight. otherwise we’re just suckers for the propaganda coming from both parties.
Really WTF….
Kent Conrad is retiring, so it isn’t a election stunt, Wall St. needs the debt ceiling raised, and economically, it is self defeating. Maybe Conrad just enjoys seeing poor suffer.
Kent Conrad is an ASS
Furthermore he has been an ass ever since he was elected to office in 1992 so what does that say about the Democrats in North Dakota who continue to elect him year after year?
Two words: Dumb and Dumber
My guess is that he’s doing Obama’s bidding – just as we saw with HCR…have a bunch of Senators put on a show that they’re thwarting what Obama really wants, when in reality they’re just executing a backroom deal that Obama wont publicly acknowledge.
Yes,he is no Democrat but these creeps are allowed to get away with their corruption cuz the legions of so called Progressive Radio talk show host(Bill Press,Ed Shultz & Stephanie Miller,etc,etc….)insist to their listeners that these corrupt creeps are reasonable.
Anyone,remember when Tom Daschle’s corruption was revealed(Daschle was nominated to head HHS).Well all those Dem party sycophants with Radio shows were yet still insisting that their audience call the Senate & vouch support for Daschle.
If people are tuning in to listen to “Progressive Talk Radio” & then hear the Hosts of these shows vouching for these creeps as reasonable…well you can see how these corrupt Senators & Congress people feel no guilt in screwing ordinary Americans.
Conrad went to the same elite boarding school as Pete Orzag and Judd Gregg, two other haters of the middle class, and all three advocate cutting Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
I do not necessarily accept the premise that they were mentally harmed by going off to school and leaving Mom at a young age, but offer the possibility that spending your teens with the sons of international elite and CEOs is not good training to be a statesman representing the common man.
“My guess is that he’s doing Obama’s bidding”…
looks like Conrad drew the short straw to be this month’s rotating villain for the Senate Dems. After Bush Jr, i never thought i would be this angry again. Boy was I wrong. At this point I really want a braindead, rhubarb-covered hick like Sarah Palin to beat O’Sellout in 2012.
At least we know that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert won’t be lacking in material.
The Obama admin is already priming the pumps for cutting Social Security by doing it at the smaller level with Post Office pensions:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_on_re_us/us_postal_problems
Not surprisingly, this sounds like what AARP has said about Social Security…don’t impact the current retirees but that future retirees are open game.
I will believe these jerks are serious about reducing the debt when they cut their on salaries to the median family income until unemployment is less than 4% and give themselves the same fringe benefits most median income families have — none. And having multi-million dollar lobbyist wives to take up the slack does not count.
During the early healthcare reform process, I flattened the ears of one of his poor staffers who answered the phone. And told her very clearly that what I heard is that he was not for any healthcare reform at all. And would try to block it, hurting a lot of Americans. Well, it felt good for about 5 minutes.
Obama needed Republicans to control the legislature after the honeymoon was over so he could do what he always intended and not look so evil. Unfortunately for him, there are not enough Republicans to entirely cover his ass. What’s a Senate Dem to do?
Correct, and there are too freakin’ many ‘Dems’ who are traitors, including one of my Senators, Michael Bennett. Recently he sent an e-mail pol asking which budget proposal I would favor. Not on the list was the House Progress Budget, so I replied and asked why no House Progress Budget. Got a cut and paste ‘resonse’ that mentioned deficit reduction about six times and jobs not once. Sent a long response back saying we need jobs, infrastructure, reduce our overseas military and end the freakin’ wars. Haven’t heard back yet. What a surprise. What a worthless POS Bennett is.
Any Democrat worth his salt would use any means he can to get leverage over any situation to get policies he thinks are right in place.
Your argument is not with the GOP, who are only doing what they should, fighting for what they believe in. Your real argument is with Democrats who are NOT fighting for what they believe in.
Or, maybe they aren’t fighting for whatever because they really don’t believe in it anyway and just mouth the words to get some votes.
I’m not talking about Conrad only. I’m talking about any elected official, especially Dems, who engage in this kind of behavior on any subject. If they don’t believe they will pay a price they will not change their behavior.
Pretty simple
DEM His ayes!
The odd thing is that we want elected officials to fight for what they believe in, but when they do it, we don’t like it. That is all the GOP is doing, fighting for what they believe as hard as they can.
If Dems fought harder for what they believed in, you would have balance.
As we all know, this issue, in normal behavior patterns of elected officials, would get kicked down the road until, so to speak, the electric company turns off the electricity. That is where it is going.
And that will be more unpleasant than any agreement made now.
Another thing we all know is that there is no intention whatsoever by anyone to pay the debt back. Dem, GOP, Socialist, John Birch, or Wahoo.
So, in that sense, it isn’t really even borrowed money.
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