Hey what do you know? We actually had a modest gain in jobs this last month. The economy gained 117,000 jobs according the statistics released this morning. That is actually better than the number that analysts were predicting, which was around 85,000.
Unfortunately that is all the good news there is on this. The economy needs 150,000 new jobs a month just to keep up with the rate of population growth, so if you are a glass half empty person, we came up 33,000 jobs short of what we needed to break even.
The unemployment rate fell one tenth of a percent to 9.1% but this was almost certainly due to more people leaving the jobs market, instead of robust jobs growth. The question is, will this be enough to blunt the sell-off that we are seeing on world markets?
The answer is likely to be no. The reasons for the sell-off have more to do with the future jobs and growth outlook than they do with any single month’s report. The picture has not improved.
As long as the Euro Zone is imploding (for reasons that have a lot to do with countries not having their own currency and having Euro Zone constitutional requirements for debt limits), and the Japanese economy is still rebuilding from the tsunami and the resultant nuclear disaster of this spring, and the U.S. looking at austerity instead of jobs programs there are more than enough structural issues which can make investors nervous enough to cash in on the market highs that we enjoyed until just last month.
Where does this all end? I wish I could say. Back when the world economy was starting to fall apart in 2008 governments did the right thing by rushing in with lots and lots of money to stabilize their economies. The Chinese were particularly good with this and have had a bubble for the last couple of years while everyone else has struggled.
The bad news with China is that their bubble is in the process of deflating. The government there has been hoping for a soft landing, but with the rest of the world seemingly unable to cope with its own troubles it is unlikely that they will get such a benign outcome.
Back here in the U.S. we have managed to hogtie ourselves to a 10 year commitment to reducing our deficit, right when it seems that we really need to inject cash into the economy. That $2 trillion that companies have had parked on the sidelines is not going to put into the economy at time when they are probably dusting off plans for downsizing in recessionary economy. At least not if they are not forced to do so.
Are there things that the government can do? Sure there are, but the problem is they all take money and we are in the process of taking $200 billion (200,000 million for those who are too comfortable with small seeming numbers) a year out of the economy. Even for those as terminally deluded about economics as the Republicans and far too many Democrats (Senators Conrad and Nelson I am looking right at you two) are removing money from a struggling economy never ever makes things better.
We have seen what the British and Irish austerity have done. It has forced both of these nations back into recessions and the odds are very good that our dumbass focus on debt when we can borrow at almost zero interest is probably going to do the exact same thing.
As of the writing of this, the U.S. markets haven’t opened but futures trading show all three of the big averages up by about a half percentage point before the bell. It will be interesting to see if the optimism that this gain in jobs is producing will last the day. The general pattern over the last few days has been that the morning is significantly better than the afternoon (maybe traders and investors should look at what they are eating for lunch? If it were only that easy!) so it will take some time to see if optimism trumps all the good reasons that investors had for selling off over the last two weeks.
I am an optimist by nature, but even I am unwilling to bet that one little piece of modest good news will overpower the real concern about many structural issues.
So, yay and hurray for those who are now working I am sure you all really needed the jobs, but there is not a lot of real sunshine in the mass of clouds. Here is hoping the economy does not dive off a cliff and all these folks and more lose their jobs.
The floor is yours.




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Not To MENTION a DECADE-LONG JOB$ DEFI¢IT; in which we’re already in the DEM (iserepubilkan) HOLE!
I recall reading, late last year, that the economy needed to add around 230,000 jobs just to keep up with population growth. Are things so bad here that 80,000 people less per month are coming to the US?
Confirmed in the WaPo: Jobless stopped looking and unemployment rate went down:
“The drop in the unemployment rate was driven not by more Americans finding jobs, but by thousands of people dropping out of the labor force, apparently giving up even looking for work. The proportion of the population working actually fell to 58.1 percent, its lowest level since the early 1980s.”
150K new jobs has been the standard number as long as I have been reading and writing about this. I haven’t seen your 230K numbers anywhere. I don’t suppose you have a link?
Yeah, not surprising. 117K jobs doesn’t keep up with population growth so it can’t be that which pushed the percentage down.
This is bull shit. As noted elsewhere, the employment (not UNemployment) rate continues to decline to its lowest point in decades. We’re likely nearing, or dropped below, 30th place in employment rate in the world now. That means less people who can work are working. Are people suddenly getting lazy and voluntarily choosing not to work? Haha, right. The unemployment rate has all sorts of convenient tricks and given the market sharp decline the past few days, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some trickery going on behind the scenes, more than usual.
Dow opened up but is graphed down since. Morning profit takers may cause the upward pressure. This correction is bringing values in line with fundamentals versus the sales hype used by traders.
How can a 58% employed number drive a consumer economy? And we are in the upper end of the global economy.
No the drop in unemployment is simple, they don’t count people who have stopped looking for work or who are not on unemployment assistance. With the number of long term unemployed climbing more and more people are getting to the end of their benefits. They drop off, and if we add some jobs (over 50K seems to be the number) and the rate as measured drops. No trickery, just a crappy metric to start with.
Just a number that stuck in my craw from something I read here. I can’t find a link to it.
Thanks for thinking of us unemployed persons. We are getting scared now, if we were not already terrified.
Dow is now in negative number continuing yesterday’s slide. I wonder if Goldman is shorting the markets?
Darn it! You beat me to it.
Yes, the markets have been open exactly 1 hour now and they are still doing the sell off.
You’re right. It worked out conveniently for those who make money in the market that enough long term uneployed fell off their benefits to make the number drop.
Market is now diving fast! Capital is moving to safe havens, Monex is hiring.
I’m watching the Dow right now. It’s going to be pretty interesting to watch it tank today. It seems the only question at this point is how far will it fall?
So, the private sector did its job by hiring OVER 150,000. But, federal, state and local governments FIRED enough people to bring the number down to 117,000.
Hopefully nobody will take these numbers too seriously -
Besides the fact that they don’t count long term unemployed and the underemployed they “message” these numbers all over the place. In short they are just like the CPI – they are a joke and functionally meaningless.
Yes. Someone is aggressively shorting the markets. I called this on Sunday afternoon when off-hours trading drove the market up almost 200 points. They were driving it up just a bit more to make a bit more on the downturn.
I remember hearing over and over how Obama says the economy was actually worse than they thought when he came into office.
Has DC managed to get the real news in the past two and half years?
NOPE!
“Yes. Someone is aggressively shorting the markets. I called this on Sunday afternoon when off-hours trading drove the market up almost 200 points. They were driving it up just a bit more to make a bit more on the downturn.”
Kris, our Congresscritters are most likely the leaders of the herd.
Been there so I know. I was out of work for 21 months.
Modestly Good Job Numbers, Are They Enough To Stop The Slide?
Short answer NO!
Longer.. European bond markets and European banks are holding magic paper balance sheets indicate a rescue is needed. Europe may be in a depression. Any explanation why CAC the French market closed positive?
I’m sure their personal monies are in the mix here, and I’m sure they’re on the profitable side of the collapse. Wall Street promised them, after all.
You have to imagine those with money and big companies that strongly influence the market like Goldman are not going to be fooled by the official unemployment rate number. It doesn’t take a master’s in economics to understand the rate isn’t a direct reflection of the amount of under and unemployed people who are truly looking for work. They may not even care all that much about the employment rates one way or another unless there was a sharp, believable, shift.
The only people this will fool are employed people who don’t follow the ins and outs of the economy and politics much or at all and of course the true believers who will now argue Obama is the sole reason for this wonderful(ly deceptive) news.
They’re driving it upward before it dies.
It is a shame and a Tragedy, how a bunch of GOP elites can hold the U.S. and the world in hostage by refusing to compromise on so many very important issues, such as the debt ceiling debaucle. I call them the “terrorists within”, for they are hell-bent on destroying what stability we had left and/or, are trying to rebuild.
If one needs a transfusion of blood, you do not take more blood from them to fix the problem (as in cuts to the economy) to make them better — you add more blood (or more stimulus/money to an ailing economy). Taking blood from a person or institution which needs blood to survive, will only hasten the demise.
All of this because “they” do not want to share the wealth with everyone, only a Privledged few who are already well off. Our problems will not be solved until we address this problem of Greed and get more life-blood, currency, flowing into our system/nation.
I haven’t been paying attention to the French Market. I have been trying to keep up with Italy because I’m afraid it will be happening here tomorrow.
Also, I’ve looked at Germany some to see if they are having any blowback, it seems not to be affecting them.
Yeah, well you can forget that.
I sent letters and made calls when Obama was planning his stimulus. I said, over and over that money sent to homeowners to help them pay off their mortgages would stop the largest part of the immediate crisis. And send renters money to pay their rents for two years or more until the economy stabilized.
Well, ya see what they did. The money went again to the banks and states that squandered it and it had absolutely no effect on main street.
Not that anyone believed Obama was going to, but I think the amount he’ll be pressured into pushing a real jobs program by those in the media is going to decline. They live in their own bubble and will take this news at face value and make everyone not happily employed in a decent, career job (equal to or beyond their skills and qualifications) feel like a loser.
Yes, they live in their own little bubble worlds. I think there will be continued layoffs and those will far outweigh any job gains. Besides, before Wednesday of next week they will have revised today’s numbers down. They always do after the news cycle, but most people rarely catch the downgrades.
What do you imagine, Bill, are the chances that, in several month’s time, as is too often the case, that these numbers will be “revised downward” …?
It is a bit like the regular annoucement that the north polar icecap has been melting faster than realized, if the “bunk” of actual history is any “indicator”.
Yay! Things are not as bad as we thought they were … oops, so sorry, it would seem slight errors were made in calculations and several factors have unexpectedly arisen and blah, blah, blahbiddy blah …
I remain, unimpressed.
No doubt, Barack Obama will admonish those like myself to stop being such cynical drags on the economy and the right-around-the-corner recovery which we all MUST believe in, else everything is our fault, though the rich are, unquestionably, getting richer …
DW
DW,
You and I are on the same plane again this morning. Yes, they will be revised and yes nothing is as bad as they thought.
I’m figuring I owes ya a wee libation, PP.
Wot’ll it be?
(Go fer yer real choice, not some watered-down, modestly good substtitue!!!)
DW
Obama economic team is guided by the wall street interest ie. the market. The economy has no friends so it will be allowed to suffer the misfortunes of supply side economics and trickle down. What insanity when with the right policy both can do well.
I would never guessed Democrats would push Reaganomics! Move over Naomi Klein you will be getting more following.
Okay, Diet Coke. It’s a bit early for a Jack Black straight.
Where is Bernanke?
His cards are all falling and his Lincoln logs he piled on are up in flames. Is he on vacation too?
I certainly hope all this epic fail goes down in all the history books. Step by step, they have caused the destruction of this country.
IF, as you state, “The picture has not improved”, your headline sucks.
Boy, I don’t want to rain on everybody’s parade, BUT, my friend in DC just emailed me this from an unidentified source in the DoL who asked not to be idenfitied because, uh, because he might get fired:
Apparently, the Labor Department now has a NEW way of determining unemployment. They no longer INCLUDE unemployed recent graduates in that figure. They are now “categorized” as “NOT EMPLOYED YET.” That may account for the drop.
It really doesn’t help that the Republicans are trying to destroy the economy so they can win the government (all of it, of course) in 2012. Their efforts will probably work, but what will they have left to work with in 2013? Will they start going into debt again to create jobs? Or, perhaps the fools really think trickle-down works but just hasn’t had a fair chance? So, more austerity, more transfer of wealth up, more jobs sent overseas, more destruction of unions, privatization of roads and works, getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid and privatizing SS, and continued loss of representation in the form of by, of, and for the people. I wonder if the teaparty rooters have thought this through?
Oh boy! Another way to lie to Americans.
No need to give people the real picture!
Nevermind, they aren’t fooling anyone. We are all here in the real world and know what is and is not. People in DC have no freaking clue!
Wouldn’t be surprised due to the high unemployment rate for that age group.
Well, they don’t always go down. This same report upped the estimates from June and May.
Which is kind of understandable. After all it is only 5 days after the start of the month, and there is a ton of data and not everyone who is part of this reporting is diligent in getting all the numbers in.
So, the chances that it will be revised? Excellent. The chances that it will go down? or up? Flip a coin and you’ll be as accurate as I will on that estimate.
Using the last decade’s population growth average of 0,969%, the US would need to add 105.000 jobs per year to maintain it’s current population:employed ratio. Of course BLS compiles the unemployment number in a far more Byzantine and opaque manner.
As an aside, it’s interesting to note that while 0,969% is historically low for the US, the number for 2010 took a dive to something around 0,6% That’s one way to fix an unemployment problem…
I’ve been calling Obama “Barack Bush” and “Bush III.” I think I should be calling him Reagan III (GW Bush being Reagan II). However, even Reagan raised taxes. Reagan III’s rhetoric mirrors that of his hero Reagan I though.
Take a look at these unemployment statistics for a clue as to where the country is headed and why we will get a new Reaganite corporate salesman in January 2013.
7.8% – January 2009 when Obama is sworn in.
10.1% – October 2009: the peak number that would have reached 13% or 14% without the half-ass stimulus bill.
9.0% – January 2011.
8.8% – March 2011: the lowest point since the peak in 10/09.
9.2% – June 2011.
9.1% – July 2011: more people leave the job market.
Sorry, should read 105 thousand jobs per _month_
If you want to know why the world markets are crashing, look no further than the G20 2010 Austerity Pledge:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/06/201062843357781537.html
Cutting budget deficits to combat recession…what could go wrong?
This lays out the post-conference 10 Commandments Of Confidence Fairies…in particular look at Commandment 5, which it should come as no surprise that Democrats are putting Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security “on the table”:
http://blog-imfdirect.imf.org/2010/06/24/ten-commandments-for-fiscal-adjustment-in-advanced-economies/
We may be on a one-way, accelerating journey to Heck, bailey, but it is a “modestly good” handbasket that we’ve all found ourselves in, wouldn’t you agree, a mite crowded perhaps, but we have the satisfaction of knowing that we’re “in” with better folk than occupy that first-class jet liner that just raced by … going down!
;~DW
Thanks for sharing those two.
The IMF is now running the US? SugarHoneyIcedTea!
Almost 400,000 people taken out of the labor force while there’s almost 40,000 less people employed this month compared to last month:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm
We run the IMF, just the Democrats put on an act like they’re not fans of IMF policies even though the Secretary of the Treasury is a former IMFer. If the IMF says austerity, it’s a safe bet that Democrats support those economic policies irrespective of what they say in public and how much they try and use Republicans for cover.
From what I have read, the drop in the unemployment rate mostly came from Americans dropping out of the labor force. So no these numbers aren’t good; they are terrible.
No one wants to talk about those who aren’t in the statistical base anymore. Those who just graduated from college and don’t have the earnings background to collect unemployment, those who “returned to the home” (a truly sexist excuse for removing someone from the count), and those who have slid off the back side of the unemployment numbers, the long term unemployed, and those who do not, for whatever reason, qualify for unemployment.
Most of these people are now “forgotten Americans” and it doesn’t seem that any of them, beyond the new graduates, are of any interest to anyone in the political arena. The administration just tossed out two bones in the last several days, and neither have any meat on them. Because, by the law of the House, meat for the disinfranchised is now an illegal substance.
And that translates to less household dispoable income for a growing segment of consumers. With rents on the rise the squeeze will be intense. Plus the next wave of foreclosures will depress the economy further. When will sovereign funds call US debt?
Yes, Laura G, the use of terms like “modestly good” are a part of the flat-earth jargon of Capitalism’s last vicious fling.
If one falls “short” of what is necessary, then the term “good” has NO meaning. “Good” is not even begun to be reached until the “numbers” go ABOVE what is the minimum necessity.
Although I suspect that Bill was using “their” terms, he should, at least, I consider, have put the term in quotation marks …
DW
What could they do if they called it? Demand we give them Texas and the rest of the gulf states? I’m not sure I wouldn’t gladly turn them over to China. Let them really understand what “no minimum wage” is all about.
As for your question, “It will be interesting to see if the optimism that this gain in jobs is producing will last the day.”
Nope:
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/
Dow off now by 8 tenths of a percent; Standard & Poors 500 down more than one percent.
German & UK stock markets off by more than two percent (French down only about 0.8%, they had a worse day yesterday than UK or Germany):
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/world-indexes/europe-africa-middle-east/
The 230,000 is the average Bill Clinton produced over 8 years.
I suspect that is where you heard the number.
The GOP – Cantor – is shorting the markets – wonder why that is not a mainstream media story
Never fear – Obama has the ability to see the misery, give a speech every 90 days on that misery, and then make the misery worse the rest of the time.
the 50000 added jobs to prior months were additions to months with near zero job growth and therefore expected corrections
But Obama is into spin for 2012 and will give a good speech with a lot of heartfelt emotion about feeling the pain, about a job that is working but needs 4 more years.
As always, it’s very important to trust the government’s lying numbers. I wonder what these numbers will be corrected to down the road, and how off they will be even then from the truth.
Also, got to love the assertion here that the governments did the right thing in 2008. Really? They injected a lot of money at the top of the pyramid, where it helped the rich get massively richer over the past 3 years, while the rest got MUCH poorer, because very little of those trillions upon trillions of ‘the right thing’ actually trickled down, as they say.
If he’s gonna “spin” this into votes he’s gonna have to be a “whirling dervish”.
Sorry, you young people may have to “Google” that reference.
It’s funny. A friend of mine, who is a plumber, says that shit “trickles down(hill)”. But that money actually floats and stays on the top.
You MAY be right.
I’m taking what I assume is a novel approach to the scary and dismal jobs market: I’m quitting my job as a graphic designer at the end of August. After working for the same company for over 11 years, my employer is being bought out for the second time in less than a year. People who work here are SO scared and everyone fears for their job. I just thought to myself, “Screw it… I might as well be out on my own, fending for myself freelancing. If my employer can’t offer me basic-level job security, why am I still here waiting to get canned like a sitting duck? What’s so appealing about being a ‘health-care slave’?”
And I should add that I think it’s going to get REAL interesting here in a few years when more and more people start to realize that they have far less to lose than they thought.
Once you wrap your head around it, it’s actually very empowering.
From one 3 score and ten’er to another – Hi
I won’t compete in the who is younger/older over/under betting, but as to Sufi Muslim dancing, whirling dervish dances are taught in America these days. Of course the tradition to live by begging so as to learn humility is not that popular – but with Obama’s economy, it may make a come back.
:-)
So the budget doesn’t account for the wars, and the unemployment figures don’t account for new graduates.
Hell. Off the books. Lovely.
This jobs report was an absolute disaster. Never mind the claim that 117,000 jobs were created. No such jobs were created. The 117,000 jobs that were supposedly created were after seasonal adjustments, and a fudge factor to account for small business creation. However look at this link from the bls:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm
This is their seasonal adjusted data. It shows the workforce actually declined by 38,000. This and population growth are what account for the drop in participation rates. The household data at this link also shows how they derive the 9.1% unemployment rate.
Until we see total number of employed increasing, and the total number of unemployed decreasing, we aren’t creating any jobs.
The government can try and spin this any way they can, but people out in the real world know what is going on.
Hang on for the ride. These numbers don’t take into account a lot of the slow down we were seeing in the last few weeks.