The Tea Party Express sails into town in their huge buses, suck up taxpayer services and hold their event in public parks all the while screaming about the need to cut taxes and reduce government services.
They position the event as a free speech event instead of a fundraiser with entertainment and booths selling t-shirts, flags and CDs.
Community taxes keep your city running. It seems unfair that outsiders who hate government services and taxes should use your services without giving anything back. If you are in Provo or Salt Lake City maybe your city managers and police would like to get paid. Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter and Joe the Plumber are getting paid to help this group fund raise, why shouldn’t your police? Check to see if your city is on the tour list and ask your city managers and police:
"Are you getting paid like the police in Henderson NV were? Are your officers getting sucked into doing this fund-raising event for free? Do you normally provide free security for other fund-raising events?"
Craig Geslison, Provo Police Chief
Wayne C. Parker, Chief Administrative Officer
Dear Chief Geslison and Mr. Parker:
I know that you might be providing security and city services to the Tea Party Express event, at Old Utah County Courthouse . A few things to note and to question about the costs and who is paying for this. Will Provo PD get paid by this group for their support like the police in Henderson NV did or will your taxpayers have to absorb the costs? As they say, "Follow the money". Some background on this group below (with documentation in links)
1) Majority Of Tea Party Express Spending Went To GOP Firm That Created It
The Tea Party Express is funded by Our Country Deserves Better (OCDB) which raised around $1.33 million from July through November, according to FEC filings examined by TPMmuckraker. Of that sum, a total of $857,122 went to Sacramento-based GOP political consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates, or people associated with it.
Link from Talking Point Memo Muckraker
It probably doesn’t matter who is running this event, but how it is classified by you matters. If someone says they are handicapped to avoid paying parking fees you ask for a doctor’s note to confirm. If someone says they are political demonstrators but then show up to ask for money, provide entertainment, sell CDs, t-shirts and flags — they might not be grass roots demonstrators but carpetbaggers who figured out a way to suck money from your community and get services from you for free.
How much are the Provo police getting paid to provide security? Did you know that the Henderson NV police were paid by the Tea Party Express?. Why should they get paid and the Provo police have to absorb the security costs for the increasingly violent actions of Tea Partiers? Even if they aren’t violent, you still have to provide the venue support and security. Are your officers getting sucked into doing this fund-raising event for free? Do you normally provide free security for other fund-raising events?
2) Violent signs and violent comments are condoned
Some tea party leaders are attempting to distance themselves from violence, but will the group that promotes the meeting as a "Showdown in Searchlight?" Will they walk away from violent comments? You may want to note if they are selling sick, violent t-shirts and bumper stickers. If someone gets shot at a Tea Party Express event, whose insurance company pays for damages? Do the cities that host them and give them a permit pay for personal or property damages?
3) These events cost the local taxpayers but will the Tea Party Express reimburse them? Who is going to pay for the Provo police providing security?
You might want to question how much this anti-government, anti-tax group is using in government services. In LA the group size required 30 police officers to keep an eye on the group because of their increasingly violent rhetoric. The approx $6,000 in police costs were paid for by the LA taxpayers.
The group has a history of low-balling attendance to get cheap permits. If you check you will note that any permits they got they suggest only a 100 people or so will show up, failing to provide a real estimate forces the city to scramble at the last minute to provide services. They position the event as a free speech event instead of a fundraiser with entertainment and booths selling t-shirts, flags and CDs. You might want to check and see if anyone bothers to collect sales taxes that should go to your city and state. After all, they are using your venues and services and not paying a dime for them (unless you are smart and get paid like the Henderson police. Is the Provo police budget so flush they can leave money on the table? Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter and Joe the Plumber are getting paid to help this group fund raise, why shouldn’t your police?
A fund raising event with entertainment in a public venue is a bit different than a free speech march in the streets. This group sails into town in their huge buses, suck up taxpayer services and hold their event in public parks all the while screaming about the need to cut taxes and reduce government services. It would be ironic if it wasn’t so common an occurrence.
Community taxes keep your city running. It seems unfair that outsiders who hate government services and taxes should use your services without giving anything back. I’m sure that if you asked the organizers of "Our Country Deserves Better" to pay for the services they use they would be happy to give you the same funding they gave the town of Henderson. They have already established a precedent for payment. If they don’t pay, you might want to ask them why your city is getting stiffed.
Sincerely,
Spocko
cc.
Daniel Follett – Assistant Director, Finance
Denise Roy – Budget Officer
Daily Herald
Randy Wright,Executive Editor,
Logan Molyneux, City Editor
Grace Leong, Reporter



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recommended spocko — please be sure to let us know what response ya get
If you want to send this to the local SLC and Provo press use the Spotlight feature. It’s easy.
Spotlit, and tweeted, and FBed, and Rec’d.
Go Spocko!
Good on you, Spocko. Everyone needs to see this. Doesn’t matter where.
excellent reminder spocko — thank you
One thing that WILL happen is that the TPE people will find this post. They will start their spinning. I do wish the press that talk to them bother to ask a few questions like.
How much was Sarah Palin paid for your Showdown in Searchlight event? Did your OCDB PAC pay all her fees and expenses or did others?
How about Joe The Plumber (who is neither a plumber nor named Joe)?
Ann Coulter? Who paid them and how much?
How much money have you raised so far?
Are you or are you not incentivized for how much money you raise? Is this standard in the industry?
A couple of other groups that were part of the Tea Party Express have since dropped out? For example,
Eric Odom, Executive Director for the American Liberty Alliance. pulled out of your group. Could you explain way and talk about the criticisms from other Tea Party groups that the TPE is just a GOP front group?
One of your tour partner’s, the Multi-cultural Conservative coalition is apparently simply two people. What role do they play in the TPE? How much did OCDB pay them and LLoyd Marcus to appear this time around?
You are a PAC, have you endorsed any candidates who are NOT republican candidates? Why haven’t you endorsed the Tea Party Candidates?
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Spocko! Excellent!
YAY! Front paged now!
facebooked.
Spocko !
Great work, my friend !
Hi folks. You know this is the kind of direct action that you can do to have impact in your community. You community might in the path of the Tea Party Express. You can write the city manager and police chief and ask these questions. You can cc the local papers and media. Here is the list of the next stops.
# Monday, Mar 29
St. George, UT
# Tuesday, Mar 30
Provo, UT
Salt Lake City, UT
# Wednesday, Mar 31
Grand Junction, CO
Denver, CO
# Thursday, April 1
North Platte, NE
Omaha, NE
# Friday, April 2
Topeka, KS
Tulsa, OK
# Saturday, April 3
Little Rock, AR
Tupelo, MS
# Sunday, April 4
Huntsville, AL
Nashville, TN
# Monday, April 5
Evansville, IN
St. Louis, MO
Springfield, IL
# Tuesday, April 6
Davenport, IA
Rockford, IL
Madison, WI
# Wednesday, April 7
Milwaukee, WI
Green Bay, WI
Eau Claire, WI
# Thursday, April 8
Minneapolis, MN
Duluth, MN
Ironwood, MI
# Friday, April 9
Escanaba, MI
Sault Sainte Marie, MI
# Saturday, April 10
Traverse City, MI
Grand Rapids, MI
Lansing, MI
# Sunday, April 11
Detroit, MI
Cleveland, OH
Erie, PA
# Monday, April 12
Buffalo, NY
Syracuse, NY
# Tuesday, April 13
Albany, NY
Concord, NH
# Wednesday, April 14
Boston, MA
# Thursday, April 15
Washington, DC
I also sent a letter with a few other details to the press people.
2) They hire race baiters like Mark Williams and feature racists like David McKalip
Mark Williams is the talk radio host who has written in the past that President Obama is “an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief.” he also derided Barack Obama as “our half white, racist president”
David McKalip is the Florida doctor and health-care reform foe who got in hot water this summer after forwarding a racist picture showing President Obama as a witch doctor –
He was a featured guest at the last Tea Party Express stop in Orlando
3) They hire black people to balance the sea of white faces.
The conservative singer Lloyd Marcus is being paid to attend. For participating in the last Tea Party Express he was paid $10,863.64 in fees and expenses.
The other featured black conservative, William Owens, was paid $750 to speak and, via his company itouchPublishers was paid $16,200 in “PAC printing costs and generic fund raising) again, from FEC filings. The group, the Multi-cultural Conserative Coalition is composed of Williams and one other person. The phone number for this coalition is in the same group as his itouchPublishers.
You might want to ask any people of color in the official TPE bus if they were paid to attend and how much.
One other thing, their is a lot of log rolling going on with the media and this group. They buy ads on Fox, WND, Free Republic and then, surprise! They get covered. This is one way that the right wing noise machine keeps themselves liquid.
Thanks. Recommended.
Of COURSE they’re in Denver on April Fools.
I am CURSED!
Good point. I bet they are flush with NRA money.
Interesting that they appear to be skipping California.
Cowards!
Oh wait – that was a formatting thing; they’ll be here in Denver the 31st I see. Hmmm.
*looks in camera bag, looking up Mayor Hickenlooper’s email….*
Why is edit not working?
What is up with edit? Is it not working?
They are afraid of California. They might end up with godlessness and socialist cooties if they come here. It’s a good thing. We can’t afford police escorts for them after all we spent for Michael Jackson’s funeral and Brittney Spears’ trips to the hospital. But, hey, those socialists are the ones who need to learn about personal responsibility!
I did my research on their last tour that WAS in California. The Brad blog piece was a great jumping off point. 30 cops. A Sunday. Overtime. I did the math, but I also called the authorities to get the actual data. What was fascinating is that they didn’t really want to tell me. I don’t think they wanted the public to know how much it cost to pay to baby sit this fundraiser disguised as a free speech demonstration.
Also in San Diego they were at a place that has very different rules for entertainment events and fundraisers. They didn’t have to pay for parking, security, or other services others did.
They also sold a bunch of stuff at the event. No sales taxes were collected.
A friend whose church held an event there said that his church was very rigorous about collecting sales taxes. But then again, his group doesn’t hate government and taxes. They appreciate the need for taxes and government services seeing as they were using them to be in the park.
O good LARD! Tancredo is speaking at the Denver gig on Wednesday.
You will, of course, rush right over. No?
I think I can work it out to, as Atrios says, Document The Atrocities….
You know what would be swell? Find the reporter who is there. Ask them if they know how much it costs the city to host this group. “Did you know that when they had this group in Henderson NV the paid the police, kind of sucks that Denver tax payers have to pay, right?”
Then the press person will have to ask the city manager or the police if they were paid or if they did it for free. Either way the question gets asked. If it is free then it points out just how rude they are to get this government services for free while screaming how bad government is. If they paid, good for the city!
Remember, this a perception battle fought in the press. What comes out in the papers and on the TV is what most people will see. If we can change the narrative a bit it makes a difference.
Fox’s Building is damn near in SIGHT of the Capitol where the rally is going to be! But so are the other broadcasters.
I’ll email your post to David Sirota, and copy you.
Very nice Catch Spocko:)
Do they have to buy insurance in case something happens?
If I was a government worker and got that letter, I would be on the phone getting the answers asap. This was very persuasive.
Can people sue Fox News for promoting violence if something happens after all its not like immigration rights marches get even half this coverage.
Spotlighted to the conservative(wingnut) Grand Junction, CO Daily Sentinal.
I actually was working this issue in San Francisco with the people at KSFO. It is NOT about criminal activity. The person who commits the act of violence will be responsible. This is about who incited them, who gathered the mob. Did they do it using the public air waves? Do they have experience in dealing with mobs that can get out of control? .
Will Citadel be Financial Liable for Town Hall Mobs Organized by Their Radio Hosts?
Judy Ellis, Chief Operating Officer
Citadel Broadcasting
Dear Judy:
I wanted to alert you that Brian Sussman, a radio host from your San Francisco station KSFO, has been directly telling listeners to attend a rally to protest health care reform Friday August 14th between 1-5 at Justin Herman Plaza in San Francisco.
I have a few questions for you.
* What is Citadel Broadcasting’s experience in controlling mobs of angry people filled with “righteous indignation?”
* Has your legal counsel signed off on sponsoring this protest rally?
* Has your insurance carrier issued you a special event policy for any property damage, injury or wrongful deaths that may occur?*
Rachel Maddow’s birthday!
What if the person was incited to violence by lies told at the rally?
Actually that is the ONE place what the law is more clear.
So say Crazy host says, “Go get ‘em!” and points to some nice liberal politician. If the people go nuts and attack,and you have audio/video evidence I believe that is classic inciting violence.
But I am not a lawyer.
Happy Birthday Rachel :)
Interesting we need some lawyers input here.
Wait a minute…….are you saying that ALL groups that organize to protest or rally should pay the city for the costs of police and cleanup ? I don’t have a problem with that. I seriously doubt the “tea party” crowd would bemoan that, as long as it was applicable to all groups that protest and rally.
You’re okay with that ? All groups ?
Excellent job, Spocko! Thanks so much for doing this.
Read the post — there’s a difference between a free speech event and a fundraiser.
Exactly. Thank you. It is an important distinction that needs to be made. They of course will want to conflate what they are doing with war protests. You simply need to look at the FEC filings to see what the purpose of this is. Fund raising.
Also They set the precedent when they paid off the Hendersen police. Each city can decide for themselves.
I’ve talked to war protest organizers. The get permits for the right number of people for the march. This is not a grass roots group organizing a protest. It is a mobile movie set with the goal of raising money. That’s fine. But when the movie studios film in a city they are expected to pay for the security during the filming.
Tea Party Patriots stand for reason, accountability, and limited government.
Tea Party Patriots are six million members and growing.
OTOH splinter groups, like TPExpress, are rip offs with a bus … here today, gone tomorrow.
Hardly worth writing about.
Tea Party Patriots are just GOoPers with a different picture on their nametags.
Selling t-shirts makes it a fund raiser ? Okay, as long as that stands for all rallies that sell t-shirts. Works for me.
great one, Spocko.
Now, let’s see those government-hating, tax-hating, grifters pay for the cost of their so-called spontaneous demonstration.
You mention the t-shirt selling business, but perhaps you missed the more telling matter cited by Spocko, in answer to Phoenix Woman:
Here is PW @43:
Here is part of the reply by Spocko @44 that you may have missed – I have highlighted in bold the key item I am concerned you may have missed:
What Spocko appears to be saying is that a political fundraiser has to be declared as such in a filing of appropriate document(s) with the FEC. If statements and filings say that it is a political rally only, then presumably different rules and permissions apply. At least that is how I am reading what Spocko has written here.
Presumably the official organizers of a non-fundraising political rally would be forbidden from using the event to sell t-shirts or other merchandise as part of the official rally/march/protest.
If independent vendors choose to mingle with the crowd, selling their wares, they are probably in violation of the municipality’s codes that apply to street vending, unless they have obtained the proper permit(s) in advance. If busted, the t-shirt merchants can try to claim an official relationship with the political event, but if such a relationship doesn’t actually exist, the vendor is liable to a fine from the municipality for a code violation. (Of course, if such a relationship with the rally organizers does in fact exist, then it is the rally organizers who are in trouble, perhaps with both the city and the FEC.)
Dear Sommers:
In the world of trolldom, in which I’m very familiar, we are told to ignore the trolls. Because we have learned that all the troll really wants is to get noticed. To annoy.
But I’m going to respond to your comment because sometimes trolls can be thinking what normal humans do, they just fail to follow through with the step most people do. Maybe I wasn’t clear, and if one normal human misunderstands let me be clear again.
If you would have read the first part of the letter you would have seen that I have documented what the TPE is all about. Raising money. If you would have bothered to look at the FEC documents on OCDB you would see that they are all about raising money off of the
people who consider themselves “tea partiers”. Now there is nothing wrong with this. All sorts of groups do fund raising.
I have friends who are fund raisers for SF General. They have big events where people speak, there is entertainment, they sell stuff, they have silent auctions. They even, because they have high level political people speaking sometimes, have security.But they pay for that security. Sometimes they try and get the media to attend. They send out invites and they say, “We have a Big Cheese speaking, come see!” and the media sometimes comes and writes a story about it.
But they don’t get venues, security, portapotties, parking and other support services from the community for free because they have disguised their event as a free speech event.
This group likes to tell communities how we need smaller government and lower taxes while using government services and tax payer resources.
LA is laying off teachers but the city of LA had to scramble to get cops down to the TPE on a Sunday with double overtime because
1) the group lowballed the number of people who were going to attend
2) They pretended they were some grass roots protest event.
3) They say a lot of scary violent things. Maybe they are all harmless in their mob as they start chanting “Kill ‘em” like at that McCain rally.
Do you really think that in this crowd there isn’t someone who is packing heat? Someone who is just itching for some liberal to have a “showdown with”? Who has been the shooters in the last several rage shootings. Peace protesters?
Now I actually think that they won’t flip out and start shooting at the event. Especially events where they hear their heroes speak.
They will save that for OUR events. and when that happens the media will label them “lone wolves”. Yet another ‘isolated event” of someone who “just snapped” as if the lead up to the snapping happened in a vacuum. The shooter could be wearing a tri-corner hat, wearing a “don’t tread on me” T-shirt and the connection wouldn’t count.
The media don’t want to see them as what they are, bullies, thugs and immature children who don’t care about anyone other than their own tribe.
Spocko, you couldn’t be more clear.
Fundraisers should pay the actual cost of their events. Otherwise, local government is subsidizing political fundraisers with tax dollars.
If some of the participants are being paid for their participation, it is not grass roots protest under any logical definition. That is a bright line distinction.
Thank you.
Pastey Racist?!?!?. In the Obamanation all racism is fine if it is directed at white folks. Misogyny, well thats more than fine, thats ghetto fabulous and Obama has 99 reasons to love the B word.
CNN is more obsessed with race than the Nazis. “Black in America” “Latino in America” on and on and on. And yes everyone is a racist except for the man who venerated, wrote a book inspired by, entrusted the spiritual education of his children and frequented the church of a man who just last year preached THE BELL CURVE!!! in front of all the media at the correspondents dinner. THE BELL CURVE, now thats progressive.
Anyone who thinks Obama is an intellectual is delusional. What is this mans special skill, craft or talent. What has he ever done on his own, by himslf for him self except getting his hands on OPM?
Rev. Wright RACIST
Louis Farrekhan RACIST
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. RACIST
Barak Obama????
How would you fell if you showed up to vote in a presidential election and were greated by a member of the New Black Panther Party-Gerald Jackson, who was swinging a night stick around while dressed in black panther fatigues? Well that man was at a poll in North Philadelphia, i fact he was an elected democratic committee man who was hired as a POL WATCHER by the Obama campaign! But would AG Eric Holder prosecute this man for voter intimidation, of course not. Why? Because A.G. Eric Holder is A RACIST!
You see not all racists are pasty.
How would you feel if you showed up to vote in a presidential election and were greeted by a member of the New Black Panther Party- Gerald Jackson, who was winging a night stick around while dressed in Black Panther Fatigues. This man was a official Poll watcher for the Obama campaign and Eric Holder refused to prosecute him against the will of the rest of the justice department.
Obama gives the benefit of the doubt to TERRORIST Nidel Hassan but rushes to judgement on Officer Whitey of the Cambridge Police department after Obama admitted to the press that he didn’t have all the facts. But if hes white he must have acted stupidly. Thats a deciple of Rev. Wright for you.
Full of hate. Does this man even know that he is half white or does he belive that he actually “esponged” the white part of his race from his pure black self.
Can woman who suffered domestic violence after Keith Olberman said to Howard Fineman during the not so democratic presidential primary as he complained about Hillary Clintons tenacity; “somebody needs to take her into a room and only HE comes out.”
The misogyny at MSNBC and CNN were outragious and aimed at both a liberal and a conservative female candidate. Why do liberals think misogyny is cool? Bros before Hos was the mantra of the far left. Women are trach to them. Doesn’t matter what color or political ideology, all Ho’s. Alex Castellanous of CNN even said on the air that some women are bitches. Donna Brazil and Gloria Borger sat there next to him like a couple of stepford wives. I’ve been a fan of Fox News ever since the RAPE that was the democratic primary and presidential election.
CAn Women who suffer domestic violence, after Keith Olberman said to Howard Fineman during the not so democratic election as he complained about Hillary Clintons tenacity; “somebody needs to take her into a back room and only HE comes out, sue MSNBC for insiteing violence against women?
Rachel Maddow. How does she tolerate those to women haters- Chris Mathews and Keith Olberman. She is shameless.
Same here.
Primo post, Spocko! You Rabblerouser, you, the aroused Rabble said…
“They set the precedent when they paid off the Hendersen police.”
The Henderson Police were paid for security at a separate event held in a different time and place by a different group.
I’m not quibbling with your assertion that fund-raising events should reimburse the host city’s expenses (I agree), just pointing out that Henderson isn’t a valid “precedent,” legally speaking.
The crucial legal question is whether these rallies are fund raisers. I did examine the FEC documents you linked to as well as doing my own search (here are all the OCDB filings) starting with the original “statement of organization” and checking all the amendments to it, and they do not seem to be designated as a fund raising group.
What am I missing?
I don’t think this is necessarily a legal question. Are you a lawyer? Because if you are you could help to see if any laws were broken. This is really about how they are positioning themselves to the public and the communities they visit and how they act when they are their.
When I spoke to the head of the venue in San Diego for one of their previous events he said that their actions at the event were what made them different from what they said they were.
Please tell me more about the Henderson event. Who is this group? How are the connected to the TPE or OCDB or the tour partners. Got any links to help me? Because I like to know this stuff. Why did the Tea Party express disappear the Henderson event information from their site? Hmmmm. That might be interesting to know. Because last week the Henderson event was listed. Now it’s gone.
It’s always a legal question, when you’re deciding if someone owes someone money ;)
I don’t know what connection they had, if any, although I’d bet the two events were coordinated and I know there was cross-promotion.
You already know the TPE Searchlight rally was held on private land outside the city. Henderson Pavillion was an Ann Coulter rally held within the city limits and organized by Grassroots Nevada (which obviously does consider itself part of the greater Tea Party movement, but is a separate legal entity).
Six Henderson police officers have been contracted to work security and traffic control at a rally hosted by conservative political commentator Ann Coulter this Saturday.
The event, being held at the Henderson Pavilion, will follow the Tea Party Express rally in the town of Searchlight, Nev
Where in the docs does it say that?
Whether or not the TPE rallies are legally considered fund raisers is a crucial difference: is there a source for that?