Last week I called up Rupert Murdoch, the CEO of NewsCorp (NWS)and asked him a question during his quarterly conference call.
"I know that you don’t break out revenue numbers for Fox News beyond the top line, but with 81 advertisers leaving the Glenn Beck show following the Color of Change action, the show now seems limited to in house ads and gold ads. Do you have a time frame for how long Fox will subsidize the show until it to starts to generate revenue in line with its ratings? "
Here was Rupert Murdoch’s response:
"It’s not subsidizing the show at all. And it’s giving a terrific kick off to the whole evening schedule. It has plenty of advertising, and those advertisers you talk about, I don’t think there is anything like that number, but if there were they are on other shows."
Here is the audio of my question and his answer.
I was using one of my normal sounding names instead of Spocko because I didn’t want Fox Security to be dispatched to my home like Bill O’Reilly threatened to do when my friend Mike Stark brought up an uncomfortable topic.
Murdoch’s response to the question got picked up by:
- Rupert’s response also earned him the Silver in Worst Person in the World on Countdown with Keith Olbermann.
I appreciate the coverage of my question but what I find interesting is just how hard it is for the media to actually cover the big media. And, when faced with evidence to the contrary, the CEO can just say, "No, your hard evidence is wrong." and go about his business. We know that Fox has no obligation to tell the truth on their news programs, but I thought that they were supposed to acknowledge reality during the financial sessions. I seem to remember there were some regulations passed after Enron that the CEOs were supposed to know what was going on financially inside their companies.
Also, it would be nice if someone in the trade press or financial press would acknowledge when the people have an impact on big media.
The people at Color of Change put together an amazing advertiser alert program. They convinced 81 advertisers that Beck’s race baiting is something they did not want to be associated with.
Another group, stopbeck.com, had a twitter campaign that convinced more advertisers to leave.
The standard line is that public corporations are supposed to "maximize shareholder value". When they don’t, their shareholders are supposed to call them on it. The NewsCorp shareholders should want to know why Fox isn’t making MORE money on Glenn Beck’s show. That was the essence of my question.
By asking this question I wanted NewsCorp to acknowledge or deny they were subsidizing Beck in the face of the evidence. (Of course if I was sharper I would have had my follow up question out before I was cut off. "Well, the Color of Change people have proof of all the advertisers that left. Do you have proof you aren’t subsidizing him?")
Here’s the thing, huge media corporations are "too big to tell". They don’t have to tell anyone what’s going under the top line results. This can hide a multitude of financial shenanigans.
If Fox wasn’t part of a massive media entity like NewsCorp they would have had to answer questions like:
- What steps has Fox News taken to recoup the revenue lost from 81 advertisers leaving the Glenn Beck show?
- If the Beck show has high ratings but low revenue how long does the network plan to keep losing money on the show? Is there a path to profitability?
- If the "high ratings" of the show is supposed to result in greater revenue for other parts of the company, is there any documented figures to make this connection? Third party audited figures? (The myth of Fox News ratings bump)
- Which departmental budgets are subsidizing the Glenn Beck salaries and production costs?
And a few further questions I could have asked but they wouldn’t have to tell:
- If internal Fox budgets are not subsidizing the Glenn Beck show, where is the funding coming from?
- If Fox News is not subsidizing the Glenn Beck show and Chairman Murdoch is not personally funding it, then funding is coming out of a NewsCorp budget. What form does the company expect the return on investment to take? Better relationships with the current government? A better Federal regulatory environment?
- The Wall Street Journal is still an advertiser on the Glenn Beck show, does this mean that the Wall Street Journal has been told to subsidize the Beck show by NewsCorp management?
We’ve been talking a lot about the ill effects of "too big to fail" in the financial industry. Huge media corporations also can have ill effects on the country when they are "too big to tell" and subsidizing people like Glenn Beck is an example of the sickness big media delivers.
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Thanks to Josh Stearns and the folks at Free Press, Eric Boehlert of Media Matters, Gabriel Rey-Goodlatte from Color of Change, StopBeck.com, Mike Stark of Stark Reports and Suzanne and all the folks at LLN here on FDL.
LLAP,
Spocko of Spocko’s Brain



55 Comments







Don’t forget Beck has a good time slot another show with average ratings would make Fox more money.
High ratings should mean higher ad revenue so either Beck’s ratings are funny or Fox can’t charge the high ad rates his show should be getting because nobody but small timers will advertise there.
Even the WallStreet Journal can’t carry Beck!
The real question is why is Beck’s show still running in the UK with no sponsors at all for months now? Thanks to stopbeck.com/UK. Do ya think Rup has an agenda?
Yes Fair, Balanced and to the Right of Nixon.
I want to hear from TV insiders what a show at Beck’s time slot with those ratings should be making.
I want to hear what Beck’s show is making. I want to hear what Beck’s show is making when the WallStreet Journal is factored out of his ad revenue.
Question which banks gave Rupert the cash to buy the WSJ? I remember reading Rupert gave them Newscorp stock which collapsed after the banking crisis. I cannot find the story anymore.
Given these facts as correct I can’t confirm them yet shouldn’t the banks ask for more stock as collateral?
What are the details of the buyout? When and how much does Rupert have to pay the banks for his loan?
Did the banks specify Newscorp Stock, Cash or something else as payment? Any details what happens if he misses a payment?
http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/
Just how does Fox keep its FCC license?
Thanks for pointing out the actual reference to Fox not having to tell the truth.
I had to before the trolls rushed in Spocko:)
I assume that Fox keeps its FCC license bc Fox is doing what the powers that be want.
Thanks to spocko for the post and for the question on the conf call; that’s a good one, indeed.
Of course, I doubt that anyone here expects Pirate Murdoch to tell the truth ever. I assume that he keeps Glenn on his programming schedule because that’s what the powers that be want. NewsCorp makes so much money that Beck is probably what is called a “loss leader,” and in truth, it does appear that Beck still draws a huge audience. If that’s so, then Murdoch’s “logic” could also be: well, we lose money on Beck, but we get the viewers on our channel. And then those viewers stay on the channel for subsequent programming, where there is good advertising money being made.
Doesn’t make me happy with Murdoch’s prevaricating response to Spocko’s very good question. However, the use of loss leaders happens in all kinds of corporations. Not that I want to endorse or condone Pirate Murdoch in any way. ugh.
Of course companies use loss leaders all the time. There is nothing wrong with it. But of course he should at least acknowledge that is what is happening so that the investors can say, “Okay, we will let you lose money on this as long as you explain how you will make money in other areas. If you can’t, you are just losing money.
I approached this question from the point of view of an investor. They might not care about the content, just the results, and the financial results aren’t there. That means there is another reason he is on the air. I think we know what it is, but it would be nice to force them to articulate it.
Rupert’s newspaper business is getting smaller, Fox News gets tv viewers but from an older demographic Diapers and dentures not young people who spend money foolishly thats the audience most advertisers want.
The older audience does not bode well for the GOP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission
How does spreading lies that inspire gun nuts to shoot people and inspire hate against Mexicans help the Public’s Safety or Homeland Security?
How many Militia groups see Glen lie on TV about Death Panels and Obama wants to take our guns and decide based on Glen’s lies that they must overthrow the government?
This does not make the Homeland secure. The Truth does!
You only Lie when the Truth won’t get you what you want.
ever read
“into the buzzsaw” by Borjesson?
he buzzsaw, explains Borjesson, is what journalists encounter when they attempt to reveal information that the nation’s “large institutions-be they corporate or government-” prefer to keep secret. She presents 18 firsthand accounts by authors and print and television producers and reporters who challenged the media structure, often with devastating results to their careers. While Borjesson’s and David Hendrix’s narratives on the 1996 TWA Flight 800 disaster alone are worth the price of the book, other contributors chronicle their experiences with everything from books suppressed by the publishing industry to drug-war “shills” (those hoping to convince an audience that the “game is honest”)
The flight 800 story is amazing/creepy.
No, but it sounds really interesting. I’ll check it out.
Does she chronicle Gary Webb and his experience with Iran/Contra which ended up in him losing his family, job, career and ultimately caused him to take his own life (or did he?)?
Thanks for the tip, I’ll have to look into that one . . . there are SO many issues and cases of suppressed whistle blowing, reporting, documenting, etc. I’d find it hard to settle on 18 . . . . thanks again for your comment.
been a while since I read it , but yes I think Gary Webb is in the book.
the flight 800 story is really something. A lot of evidence that it was shot down by a ground to air missile, possibly accidentally by the military. Several commercial pilots saw the trail of the thing, it was shown on radar, the radar records were seized, then lost, etc. etc.
A number of the journalists covered, are winners of the Pulitzer prize.
Disturbing, but very interesting.
Was Flight 800 the one that fell in PA? With the phone calls from on board? ‘Let’s Roll’? That flight?
Again, thanks for the book link . . . sadly, we could go back to the Revolutionary War and before that, to find USA coverups, and history’s replete with many long before that.
Sigh.
You are thinking of Flight 93. 800 was the one that was shot down, er um I mean, had it’s fuel tank explode south of Long Island.
Here is the link to the story.
Ok, read all that . . .
Not one mention of why it might have been shot down, other than some obscure referent to some bio logic chem on board.
Funny, that’s one I don’t recall, Flight 800 . . . even in ’96.
Pre my internet dayz, sure, but I was still pretty well informed.
Lots of empty details on that one, still, it seems.
recommended spocko thanks for writing this
Bravo my brave Vulcan buddy!
Rec’d
Rec’d Spocko ! Well done, my friend !
Spocko, a class act by you in your close above to cast kudos to the others!
So here’s a kudo to you, hoss, for all your work and efforts.
Exemplary, at every step and at every level.
Not to mention, media/journalism are my fav subjects having been in it, studied it, and learnt about it.
Woodward/Bernstein is long gone, sadly, as a model for truth seeking. All the other models are dead, killed, or struck down so mightily as to quit. Like our politicians, bought or pressured to toe the line. Pressured, more the like, in the past few decades . . . journalists and politicians, alike.
Excellent question to have asked.
I saw the coverage when it happened and wondered who had thought to ask….
Having walked into a few public places when that show is on.. it is watched intently by some. The loss leader concept may actually be involved here.
Similar to carrion drawing vultures,or like … what is it that draws flies?
SPOCKO!!!
That was sweet.
Murdoch replied that he didn’t think it was that many. Murdock thinks that what he thinks is more viable than the truth. He brushes away the truth and replaces it with his own higher, more valuable thoughts.
And of course the thing is that his thoughts can’t be verified. Where as the actual number of advertisers who have left, can be.
I used the number 81 from Color of Change, but other accounts range from 123 to 200.
It reminds me of when I organized the advertiser alert for KSFO. I had letters and evidence from 28 advertisers pulling their ads, but the news papers only listed the numbers that they called to verify. And of course the host, Melanie Morgan, said that only one advertiser had left. Now this is just out and out incorrect and the paper printed her comment right under the names of the four advertisers that left.
By the way. Melanie Morgan and Lee Rodgers were both let go because of money. People need to understand that holding the right wing accountable sometimes means using their own “values” against them.
So for example, they talk about the power of the marketplace. Well the marketplace (the advertisers) decided that Glenn Beck was bad for their brand. The right wing conservatives who believe in the marketplace should acknowledge that the market has spoken and that they only way they survive is when they have sugar daddies or monopolies.
Thank you. It took me a long time to design that question. I’m glad someone appreciated it.
Murdoch really is a pirate
http://www.maynereport.com/articles/2008/02/14-1206-6362.html
spoko, excellent work, when I saw the report I should have known it was you.
To Murdoch, I’m afraid logic is like pretty flower….that smells bad. Kudos Spocko.
Consider Beck a loss-leader, if all that has been averred here is correct. No big deal.
Possibility, but the point of a loss leader is to garner greater income. NewsCorp should rather want income from Beck, not just hope for income from the shows FOLLOWING Beck.
Forbes did a story about the income that Beck earned. His TV show doesn’t make him as much as his radio show or books. So maybe the TV show is good for Glenn Beck Inc. but is it good for NewsCorp?
I know it might seem strange pointing at the lack of revenue for NewsCorp, but that is the way that they tell us that the Corp world is supposed to work– maximize shareholder revenue–quarterly if possible. When they don’t it means that they are counting on revenue from another source. Just like the companies that pay lobbyists 10 million to get a 100 million tax break. That is a good return on investment.
What is Beck’s ROI?
It’s actually a negative ROI without attributable revenue.
Remember WKRP in Cincinnati? It was a deliberate tax loss, according to the station’s owner.
There used to be regulations in place to prevent these type of combines ravaging the public air space and the digital networks, but then came Clinton (who just happened to be there when all this was lost).
Major kudos to Spocko!! And yes, there’s beauty in that question being one that is totally appropriate for an investor to ask.
Live long and prosper.
I imagine that Murdoch will subsidize Beck until the end of his contract. After that, it’s anybody’s guess. Is Rupert more ideological than he is greedy?
Fantastic work! Do you have any plans or is it even possible to ask mutual funds/institutional investors/etc. what their questions are about this issue? In this climate, I would think they’d be serious about getting the best ROI possible, and if they’re heavily into FN, they’d want answers, too.
(From CPM)
In Q1 when the program for CoC was implemented I wrote the instutional investors and suggest they ask the same questions. They didn’t ask the question. The next quarter I wrote to the trade press and financial press ans suggested they ask. They didn’t. So this quarter I asked.
Fox News Channel made $150 million in revenues in first three months of this year, up 31% from the first three months of last year. Half from advertising, half from cable affiliate fees. FNC represents less than 2% of Murdoch’s global empire. Here’s one of the sources.
Yea Spocko!! You must be so proud.
Thanks. Color of Change and StopBeck did all the heavy lifting of the campaign, I did the necessary follow up to make sure Rupert knew about it. :-)
Nice Job Spocko!
“Roger and Me” was taken I guess, but he (Ailes) needs to be revealed as the Uber Phony that he is, as well. The unbridled corporatism of the three networks and the Beltway Journalism crowd is all the more insidious since organs like the Times, the Post, and Wall Street Journal (Rupert again) maintain some undeserved credibility. Goodonya! Seeya at Eschaton!
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ANWSA
evening, spocko — well done
So Beck is essentially a fluffer? That seems accurate.
Great job as always, Spocko, thanks for this.
Spocko – you rocko!
Tommy
Progressives have a history wherever they go. They must stop speech. Progressives have a hard time in America because of the constitution. You can not shut up people who dissent. Pesky thing, that constitution. Beck has the 2nd highest ratings of all cable news. Only an idiot would think his show is losing money. the progressives are afraid of the truth. Debate Beck. No one said a word when he was Bashing Bush, for the same policies. Explain that, commies.
Highest ratings yeah about that Glen and all of Fox News pushed the Tea Baggers cause we can agree on that yet look at the numbers.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/41382
The numbers of Tea Baggers showing up to protest are declining. Your side never got the numbers Nationally that a racial MINORITY got to argue for immigrants rights in just one city.
Elections are about turnout who can get their side to the voting booth on election day. If you can’t beat the immigrants rights people a MINORITY group with friends then how can you claim anybody watches Glen Beck?
And yes small time companies can’t pay what GM or Microsoft can pay for an ad buy so yes Glen is losing money relative to what an other show at his timeslot could get.
Fine write a Diary on a Glen Beck Truth lets see how many ways the FireGods can poke holes in it. Every morning the first two threads we take apart guys like Glen come join us defend your guy:)
I knew a Steve Patrick in grade school you would not happen to be from Illinois?
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Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company’s production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida’s whistle blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a “law, rule, or regulation”, and so the whistle blower law did not apply.
The court agreed with WTVT’s (Fox) argument “that the FCC’s policy against the intentional falsification of the news — which the FCC has called its “news distortion policy” — does not qualify as the required “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102.[...] Because the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower’s statute.”[1]
http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/fox-can-lie-lawsuit/
Yep Hate speech and lies. If you want to dissent find a real cause Taxes Obama lowered them for most people just not the rich.
Death Panels hey even Sarah gots her kid signed up for Government run American Indian health care. Obama’s going to take our guns? Senator Graham wants terrorists on the terror watch list to keep the right to buy guns.
Obama is bringing Socialism nope I’m a Socialist and I’m pissed THAT HE’S NOT!
Come on find a real cause or just admit you hate him cause he’s Black.
Spocko trolls have been coming around right before a diary closes trying to leave the last comment to make it look like they won the argument. Just thought I’d warn you that and I’m getting sick of this cheap troll trick.
Thanks Thingscomeundone!
“Only an idiot would think his show is losing money.”
Funny thing that reality. He of course didn’t notice that Murdock didn’t answer the question in the face of evidence. But of course the people from Fox won’t open their books and show us that in fact Beck’s show is not making money. The thing is that it probably cost much to produce, but it is not occupying a space where they could (and should) have a show that is making more money.
Remember how they used to gloat about how Air American wasn’t making money? Well in this case they aren’t making money on Beck, but of course it is different when it is one of their people.