I know how the media works.
Things that kill you slowly, like cancer, are boring. Things that make you sick fast or kill you quickly are exciting and newsworthy. There is a reason it’s called Action News.
When it comes to food safety an uptick in long term cancer rates is a snoozer. But if the children of rich white people who ate seafood from the Gulf start vomiting blood and bleeding from their rectum next Thursday then people who matter will make phone calls to people who can make changes. And things will change. Unless this happens the FDA can get away with not testing seafood from the Gulf for the chemicals in Corexit.
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Wouldn’t it be swell if we could avoid the media-friendly sick and dying children and cut right to prevention? Why not have testing that avoids the slow sickness and cancer deaths that will probably happen? Because if it doesn’t bleed, it doesn’t lead. . . .
On August 17 Dr. Gina Solomon, senior scientist of the National Resources Defense Council and 23 other groups wrote the FDA and NOAA, questioning their testing protocols. So people have asked for this testing, but shrimping season already started without it. The shrimpers themselves have asked for comprehensive testing.
This "Better Safe Than Sorry" principle isn’t the American Way (with the exception of dealing with potential terrorists). We live in a "Get Sick and Sue" world. A certain number of deaths from tainted food is considered acceptable. Every year about 5,000 people die from foodborne illnesses. Unfortunately enough of the right people need to die from the right thing for changes to be made.
I don’t know why with months of advance notice the FDA did not include a test for the toxic ingredients in Corexit 9527. Maybe it was because the manufacturer did not tell anyone about the toxic 2-butoxyethanol in it until recently. As we all know, if you never look for something you will never find it.
In science, when the data changes the response needs to change. You follow the data. In politics if you change your response based on new information you are called a flip flopper. In science if you don’t change your response in the face of new data you might be an idiot, or a liar who needs to fudge the data to fit the theory.
What we know is that the scope of dispersant used and the combination of it with crude have not been seen before, so the protocols established by the FDA are out of date. Here is what they said in the beginning:
To date, available information indicates that the dispersants being used to combat the oil spill do not appear to accumulate in seafood and therefore, there is likely little public health concern from them due to seafood consumption.
– Protocol for Interpretation and Use of Sensory Testing and Analytical Chemistry Results. FDA
I would quote the AP story on how the FDA set up testing for 12 substances but not the chemical dispersants but I don’t want to be sued by them. Note the prominence in the article of U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke talking up the $391 million dollar a year fishing industry. Is the FDA ever influenced by commercial concerns? Do they ever feel they must balance the needs of commerce over the health of the people?
Food safety regulations change slowly because of all the pressure from industry groups whose first duty is to their shareholders. The FDA might take notice of Dr. Solomon’s letter. Then in a few months testing might begin. Years from now cancer clusters might pop up and they will be hard to trace back to this specific event. It won’t make the news.



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Snort. You can put that one in the dictionary next to “rhetorical question.”
:-) Don’t want to make accusations without proof. That’s my Vulcan side speaking.
What does it take to test for corexit in seafood surely we can find an independent lab, a few concerned scientists a university willing to do these tests once the shrimp boats come in.
If the Lake gets the scoop on this story this could be like the Scooter Libby trial hope you got a stockpile of coffee Spocko people will be asking you tons of questions.
Remember the british minister who fed his kids beef as England was trying not to kill all the cows who might have Mad Cow which they ultimately ended up doing.
Lets see if reporters and politicians are willing to do the same.
We can play a joke on out of town reporters and politicians eating hotdogs in New Orleans get them on hidden camera eating hot dogs in New Orleans then ask them aren’t you worried about Corexit in the shrimp they say what we explain how poisonous it is.
They ask why are you telling us this?
We reply this is New Orleans its an open secret the local meat packing plants cut the meat in their hot dogs with leftover ground up fish and shrimp.
Then give the numbers of how poisonous corexit is.
If corexit is poisonous why does it take so long to kill or cause cancer or does it kill by causing cancer?
A potential great buy for the school lunch program, indeed.
the fda can approve food/drugs that cause disease
the dept of agriculture can approve the use of gm seeds that may cause disease
the dept of agricuture/fda can approve the use of hormones in milk which causes disease
the dpt of agriculture can allow meat packers to self inspect resulting in sale of products that cause disease
the dept of “defense” can use depleted uranium which causes disease
the nuclear regulatory commission and defence dpt can authorize atomic weapons tests which cause disease
the nuclear regulatory commission can permit reactor operators to dump radioactive water into rivers which causes disease.
and so on
humans are expendable, first world third world, does not matter, we are all worth nothing.
Ok should we bother to start a boycott of sea food lets face it sea food is pricey price means education. If we don’t make a big deal of this Spocko well they serve Shrimp at the Cocktail Weenie parties in Washington the Main Stream Media Pundits and Politicians go too right?
Given how much guys like Newt and Rush eat well the more you eat of any poison the quicker you die. It maybe immoral Spocko but maybe we should be quiet on this one not do a boycott and let evolution take its course?
We can ban it after the cocktail weenie crowd gets sick. Yes regular people will die too if we don’t speak out but how many more people will live if we get rid of the GOP and GOP media elite?
How many more lives would be saved if we can pass a real healthcare plan? If we end both wars? If we reduce pollution, freaking Waterford Wisconsin farm country has bad air quality days! That can’t be good for the crops.
TCU: In this case what I want to do get attend to the lack of comprehensive testing. A boycott will hurt the shrimpers and not necessarily force the FDA to develop and implement a test.
Dr. Solomon’s letter covers more than just the lack of testing for Corexit. It asks about testing for heavy metals and wants to change the guidelines for the average body size of people who eat seafood and how often they eat it.
But those aren’t exciting enough for changes to me made quickly. The changes might be made eventually, but it won’t mean much if tainted seafood slipped into the food supply this week.
the Shrimpers understand this. They WANT comprehensive testing. They WANT the FDA to test all shrimp and all sea food with more than just their nose. If Dept of commerce pushes for selling shrimp without testing and people start getting sick they know they are doomed. The shrimpers are not stupid.
Right now their is not enough pressure on the FDA to change the rules right now to the precautionary principle from the “we’ll wait and see if people get sick and sue” principle.
Can’t we put a fund together and have the shrimp tested by an independent source?
Between the passion and dedication at FDL and the shrimpers association and other relevant groups and blogs we could get this done.
The super wealthy will make sure that they don’t eat any of the shrimp or other seafood from the Gulf. Won’t affect them.
But our corporate overlords recognize the need for the small businesses on the Gulf to be viable. So they overcome any “problems” by saying: presto, change-o: the oil has just magically vanished, Corexit isn’t really dangerous, and anyway, even if it is, the seafood passes the “sniff” test. Case closed. Go about business as usual.
Agree with prior post: any citizens who die are considered collateral damage and are just one less mouth to feed or body to worry about. So hey: win-win all around for the super wealthy.
Great post spocko…
Once again, in plain sight, BP and it’s enablers, (way too many to count), but most definitely Obama and his corporate sponsors, the Coast Guard, NOAA, FDA, and local Gulfers who have been bribed off, are hiding all this muck behind the biggest curtain they can fabricate…and the compliant MSM is helping them sell their version of shite!
It will not stop or deter them until it hits them in their wallet or in some personal way that is possibly devastating…money wise…that ship has sailed already…the one left is people getting really sick, and they will black curtain that as well.
That’s what irresponsible and heartless creatures do and do best!
I am in agreement with you Mary, but once we assess and distribute the data, where will it have most impact? These characters seem to be all teflon skinned and steamroll anything that gets in their way…we all have seen their track record so far…
Kendra Arneson, whose fisherman husband got sick from oil clean up, was begging for the FDA to have testing because she knows the impact of people getting sick. She wants testing.
A friend suggested we start selling The Pocket Fish Tester! That is how the world works, if the market can profit from disaster then it will fix the problem. Maybe fish testing labs will see the profit in this and approach us for money. Heaven forbid the people use the power of the government to protect them.
upset a bunch of hopey-changey fb pals yesterday by saying my kids would eat Gulf shrimp again, right after Sasha and Malia devour theirs
‘how dare you ?!?!?!’ whatev
That gives me a great idea! I should call the White House and ask.
Popeil!
But seriously, great reporting Spocko, and with our reverse prove-it-unsafe and try, just you try to make a causal connection between illness and corexit folks will die. It’s the American Chemical Council way.
Now if this was a North Sea spill – different story entirely.
USA! (Profits before people) Fuck Yeah!
I feel sorry for the people that work the Gulf as fisherman, but at this point, I hope they all go out of business. Their product is tainted and unsafe. If you’re going to insist on peddling toxic shit, you deserve what you get – lawsuits, bankruptcy, whatever. These are the people that could be making some noise but aren’t. Yeah, it’s BP’s fault, but the fisherman don’t look any less sleazy right now.
I’ve been doing more reading about this issue and some of the lines they are using are very interesting.
Here is a good one.
In this article they talk about the balancing of all the health requirements.
You see we need to balance the benefits of eating “healthy fish” that might be contaminated over “unhealthy” beef.
My point is that unless there is dramatic sickness not enough steps are being taken to protect people. Might it be a better idea to have BP to just pay everyone involved the 391 million in revenue the fish generated last year instead of play craps with the health of children and women?
I certainly agree that the shrimpers and other Gulf fishers know that testing is their only hope. I heard a shrimper on NPR yesterday saying that he and his family ate some of the shrimp he caught for dinner.
At the same time, I won’t be eating any Gulf fish or shrimp, no matter what testing they do. It isn’t a question of boycotting. There are limits to what we know and can know about the effects of dumping millions of gallons of oil and whatever else is down there and mixing it with millions of gallons of Corexit. Why should I think even good science can tell me if the food is safe until years have passed, and we see if anyone gets sick, has genetic damage, or suffers other injuries?
I’m sorry about the shrimpers and their livelihoods. The worst part is that they probably voted for Bush the Last and his merry band of non-regulators, and they won’t learn from this disaster.