Remember the Enron recording where two traders were joking about how they screwed the people of California and then “Grandma Millie” was trying to get her money back?
“Yeah, now she wants her f——g money back for all the power you’ve charged right up, jammed right up her a—— for f——g $250 a megawatt hour.”
Every time I hear a quote from someone resenting what a great deal the public employees unions have I remember that quote. It reminds me of who we are not hearing from in this prearranged crisis in Wisconsin. We are not hearing the voices of the people who set up the financial crisis in the state.
Today Ian Murphy, editor of the Buffalo Beast, called Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, pretending to be billionaire industrialist and secretive conservative political activist David Koch. Koch (pronounced “coke”) is one of the big money people behind Walker. Walker’s office admits the call is real and for a brief period of time the media will be forced to move the focus of the story from unions and their supporters fighting Walker and conservatives.
In the call we got to hear how Walker sounds when he talks to big money. Now I’d love to hear how rich people like Koch actual talk to each other about these protests. Are they laughing at everyone? Do they chuckle when the media miss their role in this? Do they smirk watching tea partiers play their role? There will be a lot of press calling Walker’s office about the Fake Koch call, but how many will call the Real Kochs? Even if some do, Koch will be on guard.
I want to hear more unguarded conversations like this, to hear the real emotional tone behind the words. Radio is a powerful medium because while it might take listeners some time to process the meanings of the words, the tone and emotional context behind the words is deduced almost immediately. Video can also give us lots of information, as anyone who has watched Lie To Me can attest to; but it requires more focus than listening, which can slip into people’s mind almost everywhere they go.
Why do I want more people to hear how the rich say things? Because I’d like to activate certain groups of people on an emotional level. Emotions, like anger, need to be directed at the right entities. As Silivo said to Tony in the Sopranos, “Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself”.
If the Tea Party people are directing their anger and resentment at the public union employees that means they are not mad at the rich corporate persons who are actually behind making their life less rich. I suppose it is easier to be mad at someone who has a slightly better life than you than with someone who has a wildly better life than you. But if you heard these rich people laughing at you as they talk about their schemes to keep beating you down I would think that even many tea partiers would get upset.
It’s too bad that we won’t hear the conversations of people who were responsible for driving states into deficits via unproductive corporate tax breaks. Wouldn’t you love to hear the conversations of the people responsible for the financial meltdown? Do they joke about our inability to prosecute them for their economic treason? Do they laugh as the media moves on to the crisis of the day without looking for the true cause of people’s pain? Do they breath a sigh of contented relief as we turn on each other? What would it sound like?
If we heard them in all their cackling glory or insensitive obliviousness perhaps we all would want to take the fight to them. Not physically, of course, but financially. The UK Uncut movement has been showing us the way. One of the funniest and most profound movies of the eighties has a quote that I think applies here. In Trading Places Eddie Murphy’s Bill Ray Valentine finds Dan Aykroyd’s Louis Winthorpe III character cleaning a gun and explains why that is a spectacularly bad idea.
Billy Ray Valentine: Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people.
Coleman: You have to admit, sir, you didn’t like it yourself a bit.
The rich are laughing at us, both dirty hippies and tea partiers. But when you cost your true enemies money, they don’t find it a bit funny.
Cross posted to Spocko’s Brain and Dirty Hippies.



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Great Post. I laughed and could not help but think what if there were a cablegate from Wikileaks on them. Even better, an email capture from Anonymous.
I do think they are worried now. not as much as they should be, but somewhat worried. The Koch Bros are not the only ones, but thankfully their cover has been blown. It does help us to put a face on the evil and know it by name.
I actually included that thought in an earlier version of the post.
Wikileaks on Bank of America should be interesting to see how they talk about the public. When they come out we should do a dramatic reading of them.
El Reccomendo!
tweeted and recommended spocko
Thanks! I actually started writing this last night BEFORE the prank actually happened. I’ve always thought I’m about 1 hour up on the Zeitgeist, and if I don’t write what I’m thinking someone else will beat me too it.
Thanks Suzanne!
Thanks for that tweet, Suz. Great work, spocko!
Good stuff spocko
1st FDL comment :)
congrats on making the fdl front page spocko
And a fine comment it is.
Welcome to the Lake!
Grandma Millie’s had her eye on the Koch Brothers for a while now, and got a measure of revenge last November.
Clearly, though, the Kochs aren’t giving up without a fight.
Reminds of something I’ve been thinking for awhile. What we should do is infiltrate the Tea Party chapters. Get on mailing lists. Go to their functions. Even hitch along on Kock-funded buses. But use the opportunity to sneak in literature on the real truth.
I realize that given both the fascist nature of those behind the scenes and the gun fetish of many Tea Partiers there could be a risk to this strategy. But damn, would I like to find some way to harness some of the power and passion of those poor deluded fools who can’t see how they’re being used.
Recording of the Enron traders here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOLNWF5QMxY&feature=player_embedded#!
Callgate actually made the nightly newscasts, and now the state Dems, as if they weren’t sure before, know not to trust a single thing Walker says.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/23/6116445-walker-in-prank-call-this-is-our-moment
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/23/what-wealth-buys-in-politics-a-crank-call-to-gov-scott-walker/#ixzz1EoG9zSrk
Great post, spocko! Thank you.
I’ve been spending the day looking into the Kochroach infestation we have here in Wa.
They’re fuckin’ nesting. They opened a chapter in 2010 and had a busy summer with the political weather just perfect for breeding. Nansen Malin is the Queen; co-owner of MR Data Corporation, data processing statistical anaylsis for Market Research and Public Opinion surveys to an International client base. ? Whatever that means. Got a feeling I’m going to learn more tomorrow.
Anyhoooooo, they’re holding a rally in Olympia, Wa. on the Capital steps on Feb. 26 starting at 11:00. “Justice For Taxpayers” theme.
They actually changed the date due to weather or something. So, it magically cordinates to the Workers Day of Solidarity.
I’m going back down to Olympia next Saturday.
Also, local protests nation wide at your community Bank of America, I think. US Uncut.
They also have chapters in 32 states.
I don’t think the rich are laughing at the American people so much as they’re laughing their asses off at the Tea Partiers for stupidly working so hard to make sure that the oligarchs steal everything that isn’t permanently nailed down from the American people.
Gov Walker has to be working hard not to laugh on camera when he goes on tv to spout nonsense that he knows will get the Tea Partiers to help him to screw them over.
Koch Bro’s say:
“Shut the fuck up you jobless lowlifes and keep buying our Quilted Northern toilet paper and Brawny paper towels at Walmart and other fine retailers”.
Didn’t mean to say US Uncut has chapters in 32 states.
The Kochroaches do.
The Muslim Brotherhood could march with Coptic Christians to get Mubarak out and because they realized their government needed to create jobs.
The American Tea Party is dumber than the Muslim Brotherhhood. But everyday on the news their are more reports of people in Arab countries marching for jobs, complaining about higher food prices and of course marching against rich corrupt governments.
The Koch brothers should be worried if the Baggers start equating the Arab struggle with our own.
thanks yourself!
Yep, Walker sure sounded just as pleased as punch to be talking to David Koch. I’ll bet he had a stiffie until he found out he’d been punked.
Good to see you on the front page spocko. Recommended.
I would never darken the door of a Walmart.
Anyone listen to Walker talk to the press today his voice sounded a bit high and nervous at times and he was not relaxed eyes focused if aligned a bit crooked.
I think the pressure is getting to him.
I would never darken the parking lot of Wal-Mart.
The Koch are tied to thousands of products, like Dixie cups etc. because they apparently own all or some of Georgia Pacific.
He was definitely rattled. Irritated by questions about the Koch-call, too. His behavior was reminiscent of someone that does Koch…
I too want to welcome you to the Lake and I’m honored to be the location of your first comment.
I looked them up today to see what to boycott. GAPacific is one of their companys. GAPacific makes most of the packaging for products in the country.
He attended Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin from 1986 to 1990.[10] During his sophomore year, he ran unsuccessfully for president of the student government. The Marquette Tribune, the student newspaper, did not endorse Walker, citing admitted campaign violations.[11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_(politician)
What a great start in politics a tendency to cheat early on.
Welcome. You are going to love these folks.
During his four years at Marquette, he earned 94 credits with a grade point average in the C’s, but he did not complete his degree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_(politician)
Credits in what exactly basket weaving?
Underwater basket weaving, to be precise.
I look at the parking lots of Wal-Marts complexes that were abandoned to make Super Wal-Marts somewhere else. I see Habitat For Humanity gypsy wagons with a common water/bathroom/showers and individual chemical toilets .
But, I was raised a Socialist dreamer.
Like the Waltons would ever allow that without paying top dollar to use their (empty) space.
Marquette! Wow. I’m I can’t believe that four years of Jesuits didn’t teach him anything about social justice. I suppose he was just there for the hot Catholic women…
Well, that’s much harder. Give the man an A.
Funny you mentioned the day traders in the Enron film. Those scenes etched a permanent memory that comes to mind with the word Enron. Remember them laughing at the car wreck in an intersection where the lights had gone off? Hollywood would be hard pressed to make up anything more pathetic.
Thanks for the post and thank you Ian Murphy – what you did today was a game changer; likely a history changer. We all knew we knew the truth, but a full-out admission – doesn’t get much better than that.
All in all, a good day today; progress made on several levels.
Like Obama, Noodles Walker idolizes Reagan. He said he will bust the unions the way Reagan did the Air Traffic Controllers.
Walker speculates that Vic (SIC) Scott, FL GOOBER, will also go for this union busting move.
Fear, Paranoia that yes someone was out to get him ( a certain prank caller):)
Anger, blaming democrats, Unions for his problems never accepting responsibility for what he had done.
Am I describing drug/alcohol behavior or am I describing republican behavior?
If you do decided to do something like that I would see how close you can get to any proof of funding. Also learn the rules in your state for recorded conversations. It would be nice to have audio of insiders articulating their racism, sexism and bigotry. We see the signs but I’d like to hear the audio.
Gonna be spending some time up in Austin next month looking for a job. Some friends are going to be spending the month at their cabin offered to let me use their place as a base. Kuroneko’s gonna hate it but she’s going to have to get used to a new place soon anyway.
Personally, I would prefer not to boycott. But I’d do a flash mob protest in a heartbeat! I’d rather collect Monies owed. I’d like to out the politicians in their web. I know “our guys” are there, they’re tiny d’s who sponsored a union-busting series of bills.
Can’t we hire a team of crack Tax Collector Lawyers, instead?
Yes, I’m thinking of the Workers who can’t afford a boycott.
If you decide to boycott make sure to find out the twitter address of the consumer product you are boycotting. They need to KNOW why you aren’t buying their products.
Ahh Jebbies. No degree either. No wonder he’s vicious.
The best candidate the GOP could find for Governor doesn’t even have a B.A?
Even Sarah got one of those and even ET last I heard isn’t questioning its a real degree.
Remember if Walker wins he this battle he is being looked at for at least VP by the GOP.
When was the last time we elected a Governor of any sate without even a B.A?
“Paranoia will destroy ya.”
I think there’s another clone-in- waiting ready to take his place and he knows it.
There’s a difference? I noticed that he kept talking about people from “out of state”. You mean like the Kochs and their
pantloadsbusloads of ‘baggers Scotty?Wonderful, Spocko, just great
God these people are vain, clueless, assholes – MAN, talk about hubris and delusion ..
Fight fight fight! This has only begun! They are tired old clueless assholes, we are millions!
Openhope, you are in line with my thinking (and the thinking of the UK Uncut movement.
I always envisioned a group of tax lawyers, former IRS agents, private eyes (and me with a fedora) digging into the Koch, Peterson and NewsCorp financials to see just how bad they are avoiding paying their patriotic dues to fund this country. If they are going to complain that they don’t want to pay for social services tell them that they are paying for the military. We don’t want to fund the military, let them.
Thanks for the post and thank you Ian Murphy – what you did today was a game changer; likely a history changer.
Totally and I hope you’re right.
Back in the 1980′s the Jesuits had a saying, “S.J. Stands for social justice” I wonder if Glenn Beck would say about that? Of course he doesn’t even understand his own Mormon faith so I don’t expect him to understand others.
Here, here, Thank You, Ian Murphy! Brilliant work.
So says one, so says we all. [or however that goes]
Thanks Sharkbabe. You know I’ve always been a big fan of yours.
I think that Walker like the Koch brothers is a believer despite evidence in Chicago Style Economics. Never mind the Bush years proved tax cuts for the rich do not create jobs.
They think tax cuts for the rich will create jobs during a recession but only if they lower our labor costs to match China.
Maybe Harley Davidson should put a net outside their building like Apple computers does for their Chinese subcontractors to prevent suicides is that the Wisconsin Walker was elected to create?
“The man now running Apple, Tim Cook, had a delicate job last year. After nearly a dozen workers committed suicide at a contract manufacturing plant in China, he flew to visit the company – and pressured them to improve working conditions. One move was to hang large nets from the factory buildings. Workplace suicides: Nets have now been hung from the Foxconn factory in China after a dozen employees committed suicide”
http://article.wn.com/view/2011/02/17/Apples_new_chief_visits_Chinese_factory_to_hang_nets_after_w/
The business press thinks Apple is so progressive and visionary Suicide Nets….pay your workers more and give them a few days off Fuckers @##$%! Suicide Nets!!!!
As always, well said, Spocko!
Of fuck, don’t even get me going on the Mormons.
This Nansen Malin of the new Wa. chapter of Americans For Prosperity has a history that reads just like the Morman C$$t that bought out the company my husband worked for.
Home-centered Mother who started a “kitchen table” hobby and turned it into a major company……………same script, if you like screenplays.
I’m interested in the possibility of a Morman connection with AFP.
Freedom-well freedoms just another word for nothin left to lose-JJ.
Thanks! You’re still the man.
thanks, Spocko! rec’d. Hope some progressive lawyers contact you (if there is such a thing) to dig up corporate dirt on the kochroach infestation our country is suffering.
There’s a difference?
There is no difference we have a Winner!
I noticed that he kept talking about people from “out of state”
Fear of Outsiders who are not in his tribe I should have gotten that one but I could not stand to watch his whole speech.
Still he acts like he’s nervous.
What do you think Walker and the Koch bro’s believe in? If they are believers.
I think that Walker like the Koch brothers is a believer despite evidence in Chicago Style Economics.
should read
I think that Walker like the Koch brothers is a believer despite No evidence Chicago Style Economics works.
And it ain’t nothin’ if it ain’t free.
Don’t forget to look for motorhomes in the Walmart parking lots. They’re welcome there now, while they’re still shiny. Hands up if you think Walmart will allow them in 3 years.
Few more years i will be “free” to live in a tent.
“What would it sound like?”
It sounds like paper money being crinkled. Like your mortgage being foreclosed. Like your children hungry because the money ran out before the month did. Like your spouse dying because health insurance didn’t cover it. Like the gunshot of the bigot shooting…
Like the teabag dipping….
If we win this battle the Tea Baggers are hurt and other states will back down from similar messages if we follow through and recall a few GOPers in Wisconsin we really win. If we later recall Walker Extra Bonus Points.
If we lose the Unions are screwed and Governor Walker starts visiting Iowa.
This Weekend would be a good time for Obama to visit Madison. That is if he wants to take credit for a win and if he goes and preaches against Walker for trying to screw over poor teachers and lying about how well off they are. ( I have never heard of public school teachers being well off ) then we can win.
If Obama sits with the Protesters for a week and gives a speech every day Obama’s poll numbers will hit 60% again.
They’re not Apple’s workers are they? They are Foxconn’s employees. Now, I do agree that the pressure these people are under is terrible, as are these suicides. But that’s because these workers often leave their families behind to come to the cities to find relatively good-paying jobs. It’s not as if Apple has their oppressive thumb on these workers.
How many of you own an iPhone, iPad, or other iPad made in China? If you really want to take a stand, buy American. Rally in Cupertino to tell Apple that you would gladly pay 50% more for a line of iPhones Made in the USA.
ThingsComeUndone,
I can’t relate to the concept of Chicago Style Economics…you know. I literally have no idea wtf. But, I know a dude ranch cowboy a mile away.
It’s not geographic, it’s sociopathic.
“Remember the Enron recording where two traders were joking about how they screwed the people of California…”
Yes. Yes, I do. Great diary, spocko.
This Saturday would be a good day for people who can’t go to a protest to go to their local Bank Of America. Gotta start somewhere.
Feb. 26, 2011.
this is what democracy looks like
Hellen Keller; ” Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught up as often as the bold.”
Just be somewhere, if you can. Feb. 26. Saturday. Or, send letters to arrive in the mail Friday and Saturday. What about that? Send them one of those family photos you were going to throw out anyway. humm. It’d be cool to send picture, maybe.
I don’t know, but I would guess they aren’t laughing at all.
They are doing god’s work and that is serious business.
Why they think god wants them to turn the US into a 3rd world country, I have no idea.
Thank you, spocko. peace out
In the early part of my career in IT, I served as a second and third level analyst. On a professional level, I have managed to acquire “friends” and mentors at highest levels of the corporation by treating higher-ups likes regular people and providing great service. I ended up supporting senior level management and their functions/junkets/meetings around the globe. MOST of the people I supported were decent, hard-working (NOT smart-working)people. A very small amount were oligarchical or presented themselves as being in a better class. Damn near all were Republican. All hated and believed the BS about Unions. It is very difficult for these people to understand that ALL Union contracts have to be signed off and agreed upon by MANAGEMENT -themselves. The leadership can ALWAYS say no to the contract until they sign. In a very real sense, with most everything I witnessed, these people are like Obama. They sit on the sidelines and wait for the perceived impression by someone else prior to agreeing with the winning opinion. Scared. Lemmings. The are a sixteen year old driver looking just beyond the hood ornament ONLY. No peripheral. Not even looking beyond a car-length in front. Following like an automiton off the assembly line into the warehouse where they drink the Kool-Aid. As an aside, I knew several EVP who did not understand the “drinking the Koolaid” reference to be about Jim Jones. They thought it was a celebratory toast for those who did not drink Alcohol….
When the sleaziest of the top speak about the rest of us, it as consumer entities and disposable cogs with no brain and no rights. The look at politicians as a second-level servant class.
At one of these junkets I was talked to about the wine I ordered for myself at dinner. I was wrist-slapped for order a bottle of wine which cost less than $200.00 a bottle. This was over 15 years ago. I was informed how it made me appear as trailer trash.
Mostly these are people who are constantly afraid that the jig is up. Someone will find out. But the few spawns of Satan have an uncanny ability to use an individual’s and group’s fear as a fulcrum to pry open that which holds what they want.
This is just one person’s opinion. I know the world has changed since then and seriously today’s CEO class is worse. Serfdom is around the corner if we cannot get today’s kids to pull the earbuds out of their ears or get them to listen to podcasts which inform and arm them.
I would guess the Fascist’s biggest laugh is on the people who elected Obama.
Yeah, hmmm. Are the rich all the same?
The current crop seem to represent a bad mix of sadism and insanity.
Where’s the Andrew Carnegie who contributed much of his wealth to improve the commons?
Where’s the Henry Ford who built his company on decent wages?
Where are the types of men who supported FDR?
At the end of the day, the rich are only rich if we agree that they are rich. They should want another New Deal even more than we do.
Looking good, Louis.
Interesting that Walker didn’t recognize Koch’s voice or manner enough to know he was being punked. Kudos to the pranksters, but it means Koch, like a good billionaire, must use cutouts when communicating with and funding his pet pols. Something to bear in mind when seeking to reduce the unsavory influence of big money on everyday politics, which is nothing more than the management of the people’s business, not just the business of the guy living in the gated community.
Not all the rich are sadist and insane. I actually know some of the mega rich. They are good people. And they are NOT the ones working to hurt and destroy us. THEY are the ones we are on the losing side of the class warfare.
Koch
Peterson
Murdoch
Scaife
People who actively fight to hurt others.
Vs. People like Gates Sr. and Buffett. People who want to give their money away and use it to help people. The right doesn’t understand why someone would do that, since they think everyone has the same dark selfish hearts that they do.
The problem is that the uber rich don’t want to ‘take on’ the others. The one who does call them out, Soros, gets excoriated and turned into a swear word.
So many people are afraid to do after the cruel rich financially because they know that they will be demonized. Just the other day I asked people why they were afraid of someone accusing them of “Class war.” As Warren Buffett said, there is a class war and we are winning.
I’ve taken on a big corporation and cost them money. They came after me legally and attacked my character. They don’t fool around when it costs the money. I understand why they don’t want to be in the spot light, because if even their duped supporters heard what they really thought of them they would be disgusted.
I’m pretty sure Carnegie and Ford both were enamored by German Industrialization and the Kaiser. Hardly up for the common man and all that. But, I could be wrong.
Feeling good, Billy Ray!
Here’s personal analogy: I have four large dogs, 2 males & 2 females. Up until two years ago, all got along happily. Then one day I was taking all four of them on leashes out to their “pen” for their morning constitutional.
Suddenly several feral chickens ran across their path. The frustrated hounds, particularly the males, lunged at the chickens. However, the leashes prevented them from being successful, so they turned on each other. This happened a couple of more times, and now the males hate each other and attempt to fight at every opportunity.
Moral: go after the Koch feral chickens, not each other. I don’t think it’s any accident that the Kochs and their pals attempt to direct our understandable anger away from themselves and towards each other.
I remember thinking the same thing. The guy who made the call, Ian Murphy, said that he couldn’t believe that he had gotten that far and that he kept him self from busting out, “I’m just messing with you.” He also thought that the staff were really dumb for letting him though. But I do think that by letting him through that means that either they had never gotten a call from him before (they would recognize the voice) or they too expected that it was just natural that he would call.
Fascinating story.
Remember when there are riots in South Central LA? Who were they really mad at? Who did they take out their anger on?
Just because their have been no prosecutions for the financial melt down doesn’t mean that that anger over what happened has disappeared. The Goldman Sachs people started talking about getting guns in New York. They wanted to protect themselves. But the best way they protect themselves is to point people in another direction.
The Kochs have been hiding for a long time. They finally made the “big time” when the New Yorker did a profile on them. I’ve known about them for years since I am a member of the Center for Media and Democracy and looked them up on Source watch to see who funds a bunch of the Tea Party people. They don’t want this attention, so I’m glad they are going to get it.
I can understand why the rich want to possess and control everything – chalk it up to base instincts if you will. Less understandable and more exasperating to the 10th power are the middle/working class people who allow themselves to become their pawns. Don’t these people have any pride or shame? Can’t they think for themselves? I’m around the bend, my civility is slipping, losing hope that anyone could ever common ground with these bootlickers!
I don’t see how anyone with a pulse could conclude that the budget shortfalls are caused by greedy union workers. Especially if you’re a member of the working class yourself. Some folks aren’t even attempting to argue in good faith, facts will not move them. What is it, racism? Self-hate? At a loss..
It’s amazing what people will do for a free bus ride and a few doughnuts
please do a diary on this
Yes the rich are laughing and smirking
all the way to their corrupt banks,funded by us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls
Spocko! You rock!!
Exactly right!
I tweeted and recommended, too!
More rich people humor here, too…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-excess–a-wall-street-trader-tells-all-1674614.html
please make a diary of this
Great post, Spocko! Recommended.
Thanks for the reminder about that Enron quote; I do remember seeing it back in the day.
That is the most infuriating thing about many conservatives and/or Tea Partiers. They are so being *used* by the uber-elites to vote against their own interests, to permit themselves to be emotionally jizzed up to hate/fear/attack other middle & working class citizens whilst sucking up to the elites. The fact is, the elites could give a sh*t about these Tea Party idiots, other than seeing them as useful tools to brainwash and manipulate for their ends.
It’s really sad. Over the years, there have been a few instances where the actual voices of the rich and powerful are revealed, and in every case, it’s clearly evident that they could *care less* about other citizens or this nation. Their sole interest is in themselves, in ripping off & stepping on anyone & everyone possible in order to maintain their power, money, control and dominance.
And I’ve been saying for years: they laugh at all of us serfs, but they laugh the loudest & with the utmost disdain, at foolish Tea Partiers who have been manipulated to dance to the elites’ tunes & operate against *their own better interests.* These elites are laughing and laughing… all the way to their off-shore bank accounts.
And you can take *that* “to the bank.”
Ain’t that the truth? Not to mention a few free signs…
I agree. The Kochs have long hidden behind a veil of secrecy. One of the great things that Rachel Maddow did 18 months ago was to lift that veil about who was really funding and manipulating the Tea Party. RM interviewed that creepy slime, Tim Phillips, who is David Koch’s “front man” for his Center for American Progress thinktank that funded, organized and astro-turfed the Tea Party, esp all those shrieking town halls.
It was clear from the get-go that the rightwing was going to do everything in its power to pit the serfs against one another once Obama was elected. We all know now that Obama is a Trojan Horse rightwing NeoCon/Lib Republican, but we didn’t know it in 2008.
All that junk about his stupid birth certificate on up through the Tea Party has been cleverly done in an effort to pit the serfs against one another, while deflecting attention from the rapine, pillage and plunder of this once-great nation by the upper 2%. After the financial meltdown, citizens were plenty angry at Wall St and the Banks.
Notice, though, that now conservatives have been manipulated to focus their considerable (and somewhat justified) anger at unionized public sector employees. The willingness of conservatives to be constantly misled and manipulated by the media noise is both frustratingly annoying and frightening. So easily and willingly misled.
It is clear that this has all been done by design. One can only hope that *some* are awakening from their slumbers and starting to get a clear grasp on what’s *really* going on.
Exactly. I thought that, too. HOW is it that Walker was so easily misled? That, in itself, is rather frightening and is enough to *highlight* how very unsuited for the job of being governor Walker is. It’s almost bizarre, if you think about it.
Indeed you echo my own frustrations and confusion. On so many levels, almost none of this makes any sense. Some of it just seems so *evident* to me. That said, I think the vast majority, if not 100%, of those conservatives who are so easily brainwashable and misled listen incessantly to RushGlennSarah 24/7/365. Speaking from the experience of my rightwing, super fundie family members, that is exactly what they do.
It is insidious, and it is mind-control. On top of that, they all belong to Doug Coe’s Family/Fellowship *infested* churches, and believe me, the brainwashing continues on Sunday when they happen to be “unplugged” for an hour or 2 from el-Lushbo.
It is definitely a concerted effort at mind-control. The early beginnings of it were with the inception of Pat Robertson’s tv show “700 Club” back in the early ’70s, I believe. That said, Doug Coe has been nefariosly enmeshed with the govt since the 1940s, I think.
This stuff all goes way way back. And of course, the Kochs are sons of one of the initiators of the John Birch society.
Thanks for your interesting commentary. It would be good if you could expand on it into a post. Your experiences and insights are very informative.
I agree that today’s upper elites are, if anything, much more sociopathic and self-serving than ever before. These things do go in cycles, as we know, and perhaps this current crop is not any worse than the robber barons were during the gilded age.
That said, this is OUR age, and it’s not funny.
I do hope the younger generation can wake up, but I don’t hold out a lot of hope, as they have been very very anesthetized by all of their plug-in drugs/gadgets/gizmos, etc.
No kidding!
Actually history records that Henry Ford gave Adolf Hitler 5,000 gold Reichsmarks every year on Adolf’s birthday.
In addition, let us not forget Ford’s viciously ‘Father Coughlinesque’ anti-Semitic ‘Dearborn Independent’ newspaper and his warehouses full of copies of the ‘Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion’ printed at Ford’s expense.
Ford was truly a heroic American business tycoon: a 24 carat bastard-end of story.
*modnote: link please*
Commons. Carnegie was famous for donating to universities and public libraries. He gave away 90% of his wealth before death and the remainder upon his death.
Carnegie was also a peace campaigner.
Have any links to support your Kaiser stuff? Or do you just mean German industry in general. US and German industrial policy did have some overlap thru the 1800′s. Friedrich List etc..
Anyway, I could also list plenty of negatives w/respect to Carnegie and Ford but on the whole, they both improved the world. A far cry from the current bunch who seem to be a complete misery from start to finish.
I hear ya!
Hedges and Chomsky both offer decent explainations as to why people fall into the right wing propaganda trap.
Dear Mods.
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, these facts come from over 50 years of reading experience and advanced study.
However, I will attempt in the future to list a bibliography with all of my factual statements.
Good luck and have a nice day.
The rich all seem to support the neoliberal orthodoxy which is killing us. That includes Buffet, Gates and Soros. Do they understand the warped nature of neoliberal economics?
Even the more altruistic of the rich seem to support neoliberalism. Sure, some of them use a portion of their wealth to help repair some of the damage caused by neoliberal processes but that seems to be as good as it gets.
But yeah , I’d agree that Koch, Peterson, Murdoch and Scaife are pretty much the worst of the worst. Throw in Adelson and we have a reasonable top 5 list.
‘Have any links to support your Kaiser stuff?’
Please note I stated that Ford gave to Hitler.
Thanks for your thoughts. However, I would add the following comments:
Considering your sincere defense of Carnegie and Ford, it would appear that the Great Robber Barons achieved their goal of first amassing great wealth through brutal business tactics, and then cleansing their names by giving away their ill-gotten gains so that later, ill-informed generations would think they were nice guys. It would appear that their strategy has worked like a charm.
Someone once said behind every great fortune is a great crime.
And are you actually suggesting that Ford was not a notorious anti-Semite, fought the unions, and treated his workers like dogs?
The Wikipedia lists the following Robber Barons among a seemingly endless list:
John Jaco Astor, Andrew Carnegie, Jay Gould, John D. Rockefeller, Leland Stanford, Cornelius Vanderbilt, etc.
And by the way, where did you say your links were?
Dear Mods, again:
I did a bit of research on the relationship between Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. Here is a limited listing of my results from Wikipedia:
‘…the years before the Hitler/Ludendorff putsch of 1923, as well as financiaing with, for examples, funds chanelled from Henry Ford…”
Brown House, Munich: ‘Adolf Hitler kept a life-size portrait of Hentry Ford next to his desk in the Brown House since Ford and Adolf Hitler admired each other’s…”
Wikipedia: Henry Ford and Adolf Hitler: “Henry Ford purchased the Dearborn Independent with the publication therein of a series of articles in(sic?) from 1920 through 1922 which were subsequently published in four volumes, as ‘The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem.”
Gee, our Great Henry Ford was partially responsible for helping Hitler create the Nazi Party: That makes him a 25 carat bastard.
And regarding the Robber Barons of today, I highly recommend Kevin Phillips New York Times Bestseller ‘American Theocracy’ Penguin Books 2006: Mods: this is like a link but you will have to read the whole book.
But thinking the world of you guys/gals, and wanting to save you the time of reading the whole book, here’s a one line summary: How we got royally fucked by oil, religion, and debt in the Bush 43 White House.
Lastly a quote from Napoleon Bonaparte: “Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”: said sometime between 1769 and 1821.
Have a nice day
Wealth is relative. The top 1% can give away 90% of their wealth and still be in the top 10%. Then they are treated like saints for keeping the poor just above starving to death.
Charity is relative. There’s a considerable difference between help someone improve their station and keeping them just above provenience levels. Note, the Gates foundation isn’t concerned about income inequality or building a better world for all. They are concerned about keeping the status quo going.
The rich will go to great lengths to keep government out of their revenue stream. That often means helping out the poorest to prevent a societal breakdown that threatens their wealth.
Please note that my earlier reply was to nohope, not you Doremus35.
Follow the indentation and read nohope’s comment. No need to throw punches over a misread of the indentation.
As for links, try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Carnegie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Yeah, I’m certainly not defending Gates. I find the current crop of rich to be particularly rotten. Buffet and Gates look altruistic compared to Koch&Co but ultimately they all seem to support the same rotten neoliberal economic system.
I think we could do far better than just keeping the poor above starving to death if we brought back a 90% top bracket and eliminated the tax havens.