This just in from BLOOMINGTON, Ill.
2 men shot, wounded at central Ill. gun show
Two men have been injured in what officials say was an accidental shooting at a central Illinois gun show.
AP, 12:15 p.m. CST, February 26, 2011. Read the rest here in the Chicago Tribune.
Every time there is a new shooting tragedy the spokespeople from the NRA have to create a response. I’ve heard enough of them to anticipate their verbiage. Here is my impression of an NRA supporter’s response. I think it will go a little like this:
“How come the media never report on all the guns shows where there are no shootings? Huh? One little mistake and suddenly it’s, ‘Oh we have to shut down all the guns shows, they are too dangerous.’ It was just a silly accident, get over it. It’s no worse than a forklift accident at a trade show.
I’ll bet this will trigger the Brady bunch to shut down all guns shows. What if they applied the same standard to car shows after someone was killed at a car show? They wouldn’t shut down all the car shows, would they?
Or how about a cookware show where someone accidentally cuts themselves with a knife? Huh? What about that? Do you want to shut down all the cookware shows?
Guns shows are just like any other trade shows of deadly objects. You gun grabbers are just looking for an excuse to take our guns and stop our trade shows.
Why don’t you focus on the Rachael Ray Gusto-Grip Line of Santoku Knives? Did you know that every day 34 people lose a finger to Rachael Ray’s knives? Do you every read THOSE stories? No. It’s the dirty little secret of the cookware industry. But the liberal cooking show media won’t tell you that. How do you think Obama’s man Rahm Emanuel lost his finger? All the media want to do is talk about is the 34 people killed by guns every day.
Or how about the new Chevy Volt. I’ll bet you didn’t know that the Volt is predicted to kill more people than any gun ever made! You can bet the Volt Owners of America won’t be putting those statistics out when they happen! Yet we are expected to acknowledge ever little shooting like it’s a big deal. It’s not! Shootings happen all the time, but why doesn’t the press do stories about the millions of NON-shootings! There wasn’t a single shooting on my block this week. Why don’t they cover that? The bias in the media makes me sick. If you folks would read American Rifleman or Armed Citizen you could see some real unbiased stories of lives saved by shootings and non-shootings.
Could the Media people write a story about the millions of lives saved by people who answer the door with a loaded shotgun? Sure they could, but NOOOOOO. They want to talk about how Jared Loughner shot 32 bullets in 16 seconds. Maybe one time in a billion someone handling a gun screws up. But the second that a terrorist comes knocking on your door suddenly everyone is in favor of guns all of a sudden. If you folks get killed in a home invasion trying to fend off someone with an AR-15 with a Gusto-Grip knife, don’t come crying to me. Because I won’t be listening, I’ll be cleaning my gun!”
Signed,
Perry Latt Pierre. Real American.
I’ve noticed that when the media cover incidents like this the NRA isn’t ever tasked with a solution to the problem. Why not? Because they have defined their job as making the world safer for guns, not people. So when there is a shooting tragedy nobody goes to them and demands, “Seriously, how would you fix this problem?” They don’t have to actually come up with solutions that work, because they don’t care about real solutions (a real solution isn’t, “everyone should wear guns.” That’s preposterous on its face.)
The NRA and GOA pass onto their members methods to counter any suggestions of sensible actions. They create strawmen, use specious arguments and redefine whole classes of objects, all in the continuing quest to never “lose” the conversation. The majority of NRA members aren’t as radical as their leadership. But it is the leadership and the radical members who define them to the public.
Why do we have to solve the problems that they create? Because they don’t see it as a problem.
I think Sparky the Penguin said it best when he said to a gun’s rights person:
“Barring some seismic realignment in this country, the gun control debate is all but settled–and your side won. The occasional horrific civilian massacre is just the price the rest of us have to pay. Over and over again, apparently.”
I don’t know why you humans let the NRA supporters win arguments, it’s not like they are holding a gun to your head while they are arguing with you. One thing I do know–the gun people on your planet make it hard to live long or prosper.




25 Comments

Thanks much, spocko, greatly appreciate your coverage of this topic.
Gun Industry is to Koch Industries
as
NRA is to FreedomWorks
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NRA supporters are to Tea Party.
The people who own guns but support the NRA because of gun lobby-funded propaganda are being manipulated just like the Tea Party is manipulated through FreedomWorks by Koch Industries.
The hue-and-cry by the NRA about gun rights has little to do with the Second Amendment and everything to do with selling more guns — just as FreedomWorks propaganda about free speech and protecting the Constitution has little to do with either and everything to do with ensuring Koch Industries retains its ability to buy as much control over lawmakers and legislation as it can afford.
Boy Howdy!
Do the NRA and gun manufacturers go hand in hand? Yes.
Do guns kill people? Yes, and sometimes without a person pulling the trigger.
Do law abiding citezens concernn themselves with following the law when it comes to guns? Yes.
Do criminals? No.
If there were no guns would less people be killed by guns? Yes, especially when it comes to accidental gun related deaths.
Would less people on the whole be killed by violence? Who knows, my guess is that the number of violent deaths would be relatively stable only the method of violence would change, knives, baseball bats, fists, feet, tire irons, vehicles etc.
P.S. There are a lot of law abiding citizens in Libya and other places who probably really wish they had some guns right about now….all the footage I have seen shows unarmed citizens being curb stomped out there……just sayin’
Thanks Spocko and Rayne.
A bit more info on the statistic under the graphic,(i.e. 34 in USA or worldwide?) would be pertinent to the piece.
Sparky the Penguin, Nice.
“If there were no guns would less people be killed by guns?” Yes.
That’s very true, and “NO guns” (emphasis added) would be fine by me.
If you can get rid of ALL of them then count me in. The problem, of course, is that you can only get rid of SOME of them, and the wrong ones, at that.
I don’t want your effing guns. But I do want pro-gun people to start taking some responsibility for their kind. This is no different than asking people with SUVs to bear some responsibility for their role in carbon dioxide and monoxide emissions; hell, does anybody with one SUV need more? Does anybody with one gun need more?
But that’s where the NRA and the gun lobby come in. They tell you need more than one, you need one for every member of the household and then some, and then you need to fight to keep them. And you need to fight so that they can continue to make and sell guns illegally, which they do.
And it’s hand guns, all about the hand guns. You don’t see people killing each other with deer rifles or pick axes. Hand guns make it easy to kill at a distance and get away. If we removed hand guns you believe that deaths by other weapons would go up. Too bad statistics from other countries don’t show that.
Another great job, spocko…!
Thanks, Spocko.
I don’t have a problem with gun ownership, I’m a registered gun owner.
What I have a serious problem with is the fact that my son[20] was all hot to trot on buying an assault rifle, which he could legally purchase.
Luckily, he decided against it. The gun store guys were all in favor of a young guy owning an assault rifle.
wow recommended spocko — thank you
I quite agree. I’ve posted similar thoughts on other blogs, only to have some rightwing gun-lover “blast” me for how I just want to “grab the guns away” or other such nonsense. These people really don’t want to hear that they’re being manipulated by the guns ‘n ammo industry to senselessly spend their money based on phoney ginning up of fear that booga booga teh dreaded LIEbruls and/or horrid Obama are going to “take away your guns.”
Pretty shortsighted, but that’s the way it is.
I agree with you, too. I don’t have much of a problem with gun ownership, but these heavy-duty assault rifles or those big magazine clips that Loughner used are over the top. No one *needs* those. There used to be bans on those types of weapons/equipment, but the NRA and gun industry bought off enough in Congress to repeal those minor bans, and now we have the situation in Tucson and some elsewhere.
I really don’t know anyone who outright “opposes” gun ownership. Most people I know just want more controls over the purchasing of guns and related equipment, which is hardly draconian and makes a ton of sense. Rightwing gun lovers have been carefully taught to oppose such responsible measures/laws at all costs bc somehow it means someone will come along and “grab their guns.”
In fact, they’re just being duped to part with more money to buy stuff they *don’t need.*
Thanks for the post, spocko. Recommended. Pitiful to read those comments, but insightful as well.
You can keep your fucking guns. In fact, please keep them as far from me and mine as possible. Thank you.
The NRA seems to think that those are sporting weapons. (I’m not sure what kind of sport they think assault rifles are used in. All the people I’ve met who do sport shooting are using other kinds of guns, mostly handguns and shotguns.)
Lax gun laws provide organized crime great profits I think drugs and human trafficking are the only things that make more money.
The NRA is a criminal front organization lobbying to make crime if not illegal possible guns are legal but a National registry of guns should also be legal the drivers license guys know my address my traffic record etc.
But to but a gun I can be insane or a criminal and still easily buy a gun from a friend who is legal to buy a gun because that friend never has to account for the whereabouts of his gun after he buys it.
The NRA thus makes gun crime possible.
What kind of sport? I think it’s “target” shooting on the borders, but I could be wrong.
I don’t want to own a gun.
I don’t want any guns in my home.
I don’t want anyone I know to own guns. It would shock me.
That’s just how it is for me.
That there are so many guns around scares me.
“Most people I know just want more controls over the purchasing of guns and related equipment”
Asking for yet another gun law is like Charlie Brown asking Lucy to hold the football for him… Again. The laws we currently have would be very close to good enough if they were actually enforced.
“Between February 2004 and February 2010, 1,225 firearm and three explosives background checks for people on terrorist watch lists were processed through the federal background check system. Of these, 91% of the firearm transactions and 100% of the explosives transactions were allowed” http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10703t.pdf
Which is a better use of your time, advocating for more meaningless scribbles, or advocating for enforcement?
IIRC, the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire. That would be a good place to start.
It wouldn’t hurt (an assault rifle is hardly the best weapon for home or self defense and completely unsuitable for hunting, so why would a civilian need one?) but you’re not getting it: had the laws currently on the books been enforced Cho (Virginia Tech) would not have been able to purchase the weapons he used.
That’s a good place to start.
Rifles are the class of firearm that best allows killing at a distance so the shooter can get away with it. That’s one big reason why the D.C. shooter was so difficult to apprehend. Handguns are honestly a relatively short-range weapon, someone is far less likely to pull off a shooting with one from a distance that allows them to get away.
Last I checked stats actually show that deaths by GUNS go up when firearms are removed from lawful citizens, let alone homicide by other means. GB has among the strictest ownership laws in the world. For 2007, the number of crimes in which a handgun was used in England and Wales rose from 299 in 1995 (pre ban) to 1,024. Offenses committed with all types of firearms also increased. And in the years following the ban, homicides increased to peak at over 1000 annually (02-03) before finally subsiding to just around the pre-ban levels. Draw your own conclusions – there really are too many variables to use it the way either side wants and still maintain intellectual honesty.
It’s not a safe world out there. I put guns rather below Bird/Pig flu as a threat to public safety. That said, if some asshat accidentally drops a loaded firearm in the middle of a public political meeting, the fucker should be arrested and charged with something that makes it difficult to carry a firearm in the future – the Second Amendment doesn’t cover that shit. I think even carrying weapons for intimidation at political rallies pushes the edge of assault. If you were to keep the conversation on real responsibility issues instead of knee-jerk nonsense, I think you’d find far more gun owners interested in working with you. Since there isn’t a chance in hell of passing a gun ban … maybe something to think about. If you come at people like an asshole, they are always going to respond in kind.
Oh. And just because I can’t help myself … this and this.
Many of our most screwed up laws are the result of parents unwilling to accept that their offspring are now adults and should be allowed to make their own choices.
But to but a gun
should be
But to buy a gun
But, but, but….then how will we have our revolution??? When the bad guys come to take us over???
Oh…already happened and they didn’t do it with guns.
Knives can cause injuries, too, but guns are far more lethal.
I love this blog. I did a similar blog recently at http://www.commongunsense.com. The pro gun folks are commenting a lot on my blog and their responses are just like the ones given here. They actually believe these things- that’s the scary thing. What I like here is the humor because if you didn’t laugh, you’d cry. Thanks for writing this.