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When Kansas State’s point guard Angel Rodriguez (who’s Puerto Rican) went to take foul shots some in the crowd started chanting “Where’s your green card?” – Color Lines Jorge Rivas
Think Progress with more details:
Now it looks like the chants were coming from the Southern Mississippi band. The President of Southern Mississippi, Dr. Martha Saunders, has issued a statement about student behavior already, regretting the remarks and promising disciplinary action.
Before I read her remarks I wondered what the response that might have been if the band and fans were Rush Limbaugh or the audience in a GOP debate. Here is what I dreamed up based on previous “apologies,” lame excuses and BS.
— let the spin begin:
I’m sure it was an isolated incident.
They apologized for the words they used, twice.
This is really about statehood issues for people from Puerto Rico! Don’t you believe in state’s rights? Or do you want the Federal Government to exploit the people of Puerto Rico?
This was just a helpful tip to non-US citizens who are attending Southern Miss that they can get their help for renewal of their form I-551,(commonly called the “Green Card” )
Of course this is just a handful of peoples comments, why don’t you notice all the fans who DIDN’T say anything? This minority doesn’t represent the overall values of the Southern Mississippi community, the silent majority do!
Their two words “green card” were already condemned by Presidential candidate Mitt Romney. “I wouldn’t have used those words.”
Southern Miss hired an independent expert to do an audio analysis of the video and it turns out that what the students were really saying was:
Local talk radio hosts from WQHD’s “Dingo and the Baby” wondered:
“Are you sure they were Southern Miss fans and not Kansas State people pretending to be Southern Miss fans? There are often false flag operations going on where people want to make the other team fans look bad. Remember the Duke Lacrosse Scandal? FALSE ACCUSATIONS all to unjustly attack the good name of Duke. And did Al Sharpton ever apologize for the Twanda Brawley case? No. The students can apologize when Al Sharpton apologizes for his stuff.”
Fired football celebrity sports announcer R___ L_______ wondered:
“What nobody asks is was it effective? Because that is really the goal here, to rattle the other team or player, right? To make them angry so they will mess up? Isn’t all fair in love and basketball? I mean, sticks and stones man. If he can’t handle a little razzing from the fans in college how can he expect to handle the NBA?”
Did the chants of “Where’s your green card?” get to Kansas State Point Guard Angel Rodriguez? You bet! He probably would have scored more if he wasn’t rattled. The fans will keep building on their success. It’s just smart and a savvy way to support your team by bringing down the others. It’s not racism, it’s just about generic trash talk. If they mocked his big lips would that be racist? The liberals in the media would want you to thing so.”
This came from the band. They are ENTERTAINERS! They aren’t serious. They make absurd comments all the time in their cheers.
What about the free speech rights of the fans. Don’t you believe in the first amendment? Why do you want to censor people? What’s next, politically correct cheers? The day a government funded university starts censoring student speech is the day the Communists have won.
This entire event was coordinated by the Southern Poverty Law Center and George Soros to make the fans of Southern Mississippi and state of Mississippi look bad. We have a black President and a Hispanic Supreme Court judge. We are beyond racism. These kind of coordinated attempts to smear Southern Mississippi as racists was going to be revealed by Andrew Brietbart right before he was murdered for showing Barack Obama’s strong ties to Derrick Bell. Bell, described on Hannity’s show as the “Jeremiah Wright of academia,” and is known to have read all of Saul Alinsky’s works.
#IstandwithKansasStatesbandTheySaidWhereIsYourBeanCurd!
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Today Rush was pushing stories about how Media Matters was running an “Astroturf” campaign to advertisers. The author noted that George Soros gave them ONE MILLION dollars to do this work. That’s the doughnut budget for the Heritage Foundations PR staff. Please.
Duke fans did this to a Maryland player not too long ago:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/that_deport_vasquez_sign.html
How come when the Dookies do this same crap, they are called “creative?”
This kind of stupidity happens all the time, and is sad. The national reaction to Jeremy Lin was downright embarrassing.
My dear Spocko, it is always a pleasure to watch the master in action. I can only aspire to your skill and grace.
I have recently concluded, spurred by your recent discussions, that it is good to respond to people who say stuff like this, and that it is lazy and cowardly to let slanders, slurs and misinformation go rather than confront them.
I have learned through many years of martial arts (and the very occasional on-the-street incident) that in a stress situation, one reacts as one has been trained. And that if you haven’t trained, you get smacked, often before you even realize you have been attacked. Now, one reason I have not previously opted for pushback with winger attacks, either in private conversations or public situations, I found when I really thought about it, is that I don’t know how. I don’t know what to say, I don’t know what will happen if I say it. I am afraid I will lose and look stupid, or get angry, or lose a friend or all of the above. So, as my sensei would say, training time!
I like what you are doing here. Framing your responses and then anticipating their responses as you have done using real situations is a good ‘sandbox’ exercise I am actually quite enjoying trying it myself. I will know that I am getting better when I correctly predict their responses. In time I will feel confident to respond to real people and write LTE’S.
I have responded to a few trolls lately, despite the lake’s ‘no feeding’ custom, by way of getting a little practice. What do you think about trolls? Are they useful as training partners?
You are too kind. Good question.
Trolls who come here aren’t usually interested in actually having a discussion. They will make stuff up and quote lies. They ones who I can engage with are rare, where they challenge you to
Be more clear.
Example, one of my readers would question me to prove my point with hard data, or explain the exception to a rule. This forced me to do the work. The funny thing is that when you do that the “advanced troll” will say, “ah, the liberal media!” if I quote the New York Times. So they I quote something like Fox. Ha! Then they don’t shut up, they change the subject, “Well Hillary!! Or Clinton…” what seeing how the right thinks, responds and acts allows you to remove their arguments from the table before they have them.
So my action with advertisers came about because I knew how the right would respond to any kind of attempt to get the Hosts fired, “you are trying to silence their first amendment rights!”
I can now say, “not true, I don’t want him silenced, he has the same right as I do to talk on a street corner for free. He doesn’t have the right to get paid to talk.”
That cuts their objection out from under them.
If you want to practice dealing with misinformation from friends here is the key.keep you heart open and ask them a sincere question.
(this is for friends only, not trolls.)
So ask, “I thought you just said that Obama is planning to take away your gun. Really? Is their something specific you heard? (be genuinely curious, not faking)
“I read it in American Hunter.”
What’s that?
The NRA publication.
Oh, did they site a specific action taken?
“No, but you know…”
Now of you are really friends and you know your facts… You can say,
I understand you anxiety, but from what I read at Ducks Unlimited (Hunting Publication)
That Obama isn’t doing anything about any new rules. They, however, have been suggesting that the gun show loopholes be closed. The hunters know that keeping track of guns in the hands of responsible people is good for us all.”
This shows you get their concern and you don’t agree with the data, but you aren’t a dick about it. Some of then smarter ones will know that American Hunter is ready to support machine guns for deer hunting just because they are afraid of pissing off the gun manufacturers lobby, the NRA radicals.
Now I’m going to follow my own advice and see if I can get some buy in for better gun show laws at a website of gun owners. I’m going to see if they really are committed to safety (as they say they are) and if they will support rules that stop the mentally ill from easy access to guns. And programs to get illegal guns off the street, and close gun show loop holes.
One of the things about listening to the right wing working with
So, how much do white players get razzed that way? They’re a minority on most college courts, and certainly at the pro level.
This clever simulation of a spocko post is actually a false-flag operation intended to trip one of us up into saying something reverse-racist. I’m on to you, you bastards…release spocko now! (I’d rescue him myself, but Obama took my gun away.)
Oh, and here’s one for us pre-geezers: “They can apologize for the green card chant when Kansas State lets Allan Bakke join the team.”
Spocko, good stuff, but you left out of your list any criticism of Dr. Martha Saunders.
Surely she will be trashed for caving to political correctness and held up as an example of why women should not work outside the home. Also, with her degrees in French, journalism, and communications theory and research, she’s no doubt part of the Grand Libtard Secular Lamestream Media Conspiracy.
Or something like that.
No kidding. Hell, that’s what Rush and his buddies spend on a weekend Viagra-fueled trip to the Dominican.
Meanwhile, here’s Dr. Evil!
I am not a”Wildcat” fan or even a sports fan. But it should be noted that the racists at Southern Mississippi, did not help themselves, or their team.
Also, a citizen of Puerto Rico, is a citizen of the US, and does not need a Green Blue or Yellow Identification. Is it different is Mississippi?
The fans are just jealous because they have no hope of playing college ball and getting the babes:)
They are afraid they might end up losing this sport to Hispanics like they already lost it to African Americans.
If only I had gotten hockey skates before my freshman year in high school who knows I might have taken hockey away from them. In one year I was beating several high school players at lake hockey.
Sports are trivial its not like any of the fans had a shot for the team if all the Hispanics left.
Funny how Rush can party with Viagra in the Dominican Republic but be against birth control. the DR is a huge sex tourism place straight, gay, child and has one of the highest AIDS rates in the western Hemisphere.
Also I thought Rush didn’t like brown people. Why go to the DR for sex when we have so many hookers here?
Unless of course you want something thats illegal in America? like kids!
Why Risk the AIDS? Why pass up fine White Men and Women hookers in America unless
In the end, this goes on all the time. I am old enough to remember when a young man named Patrick Ewing played for Georgetown University in the early ’80s. The stuff directed his way by “liberal” northeast universities was 20,000 times worse than this, by astronomical margins. Not that this wasn’t bad stuff by the USM band, but I think the outrage is a bit misplaced. What Ewing went through at Georgetown was some of the most vile horrendous stuff I’ve ever seen in my life and that he came through it with flying colors becoming a NBA hall of famer is amazing. University student sections are vile and gross and always have been and always will be.
The Dookies are the masters, I am also old enough to remember the Duke mascot wearing the “Buckwheat” headband while playing Notre Dame with David Rivers back in the day. That was worse than a student section as it was an entity actually representing the university. Racism defines this country and always has, what happened yesterday though wrong was same old same old to me.
Your distraction, deception, confusion and obstruction, are just too obvious. The topic is not fictional racist northeast universities. So if YOU accuse others of racism, then provide some evidence. I suspect you have none.
I explained it. Northeast university student sections called Patrick Ewing an ape, gorilla, stupid m-f-er for 4 years running. As I said, much, much worse than what I saw yesterday. It’s a simple fact.
It began more than 20 years ago in Massachusetts, when Ewing was a gangly immigrant kid, a target for playground bullies. It grew when Ewing, as a high school phenom in an area deeply divided along racial lines in part because of forced busing, was attacked by opposing teams and their supporters.
Fans once threw a brick through the window of the bus carrying his high school team.
It festered after he spurned Boston colleges to play at Georgetown, whose rivals labeled the physically intimidating Ewing an ugly, stupid, ape. To taunt him, fans tossed banana peels on the court.
Somewhere during those turbulent times, Ewing decided he’d share himself with just a handful of friends and family members. Even now, he rarely gives interviews and has little to say to reporters. That has frustrated the media, which has labeled him as surly, a tag that mushroomed in the public’s mind.
what don’t you undertand Frank? This if from the NY Daily News.
Aside from the fact I saw it happen, there is a newspaper article about Ewing. There’s your freaking evidence. IT was on the TV in the ’80s too.
from hoyabasketball.com….
Off the court, a number of Big East schools looked the other way as Ewing was the subject of some of the worst race-baiting in a generation. Signs such as “Ewing Can’t Read This” and “Think Ewing Think” were paraded around Big East arenas; at other schools, objects were thrown at him on the court. In one game at the Carrier Dome, an orange nearly hit Ewing while attempting a free throw, whereupon coach Syracuse Jim Boeheim grabbed a microphone told the sold out crowd he’d forfeit the game outright if conduct like that ever happened again.
To his credit, Ewing never acknowledged such abuse, preferring to answer his critics on the court. The juxtaposition of race played to the worst in Big East fans, many of whom were educated at Catholic schools, and served only to further harden the team against such attacks.
need more frank….don’t challenge me on anything sports related, it’s a massive mistake.
“The sophomore season of 7-ft. Georgetown Center Patrick Ewing has been a mean slide back to the hard times of Jackie Robinson. Signs along the way: at Providence College, EWING CAN’T READ; at the Meadowlands in New Jersey, THINK EWING! THINK!; in Philadelphia’s Palestra, EWING IS AN APE. When Ewing was introduced there someone in the crowd tossed a banana peel onto the court. T shirts and buttons have been manufactured bearing the slogan: EWING KANT READ DIS, which is also a recurring chant at the games. Not surprisingly, Patrick Ewing, 20, has had a few fights this year. Racism is not surprising. It pervade sports and life. But the overtness of ape banners and bananas on the floor is chilling. ” (Source: Time Magazine, March 14, 1983)
Has my “none” evidence been enough frank?? No fiction involved at all. the “none” is how much fiction I presented.
Syracuse University, Providence College, Villanova University, Boston College University are not fictional universities which is where the overt racism occurred in the early 80s. I am not defending the Green Card chants by USM at all, I am just relating compared to other things that I have witnessed at college sporting events it is quite mild. That does not mean it isn’t still bad. I just saw much, much worse stuff on racism at northeast universities in the 80s than what I saw yesterday. It is not fiction, I saw it live, and I saw David Rivers live at Duke. The experiences of Patick Ewing and Angel Rodriguez compared?? It’s a continuum and it’s nationwide. It never ends and it never will. Spocko’s article made good points at the nonsense involved and we should never take racism lightly, but it’s not a regional thing and I also see people making it an issue that it was a Mississippi University. I think something like this is just as likely at any university in any part of the country as I proved what happened in the 80s in the “north”.
Some of us enjoy saying NO LINKIES! I do not have a 1983 issue of TIME to verify your claims. If you saw such bad racism, what did you do about, then? You are an expert on sports, “It never ends and it never will”. It is not a good idea to try to hijack a Spocko thread.
Racism is racism and always to be deplored. That being said, wtf is up with scrambler dredging up an equivalency from almost thirty years ago? How is that relevant to this post? S/he claims to not be defending the green card chants but I really see no other reason to bring up such ancient history.
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Margaret: The funny thing is that I was going to use old examples, but wanted to tie current stories together to show how people twist themselves into knots trying to support deplorable behavior or comments.
I also did it as an exercise for what to do when YOU are the person who is part of the group that exhibit that deplorable behavior.
That is a harder situation to deal with, but needs to be addressed when you are part of a group that is not monolithic.
We are seeing the Right try and figure out how to make false equivalencies now with Rush because they are playing on the media’s need for the “both sides do it” narrative. They are NOT the same, but it is an easy story.
One of the things that I might do is figure out how to give the media another story on this, so they can have something fresh to say.
(Like I did with the Murdoch story and Beck)