This week Darcy Burner, a candidate I supported got beat by a rich candidate. Recently, some groups I supported, SF Ocean Edge, The Sierra Club and The Audubon Society lost an appeal to stop seven acres of natural grass from being ripped out of the west end of Golden Gate Park and replaced with artificial turf and 150,000 watts of stadium lights for soccer fields. The project is funded by a rich family, the Fishers, whose father founded the Gap.
It’s rough when the rich beat us, not just because we lost, but because it can be used as an encouragement for the idea that being rich should be your first and main goal — since it seems to prove that everything you want flows from that. “Want to win an election?” be rich. Then buy what you need to win. “What to break the law?” be rich, then pay the lawyers to make it a civil case so you just pay the fine. “Want to not break the law? Buy the lobbyist, who pays the lawmakers to fix the law so you don’t break them–it’s cheaper than the fine and then you are a “law abiding citizen.”
Money can’t buy you love? Yeah, but plenty of rich people find people to love them. It isn’t always a “if you are rich you can’t get love” equation. Poor people can’t find people to love them either. And being poor can get in the way of way of love just like being rich supposedly does.
I know I have a bad attitude toward how some rich people use their money. (Note I didn’t say toward all rich or all money. I’m directing my ire at behaviors.) This is one of the reasons that I designed the Spocko Method program to go after the right wing media. It was designed to take away their money. Because, like Eddie Murphy said in the movie Trading Places, “You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people. ” And there are certain kind of rich people I wanted to hurt by making them less rich. They were the ones who believed in violence directed toward Muslims, journalists, Democrats and liberals. Race-baiters, bigots, racists and homophobes all care as much about money as most Americans. If I know I’m not going to change their mind and I don’t want to censor their views then I want to ensure they don’t get rich espousing those views. They have a right to say what they want, they don’t have a right to get rich doing it.
Now if I was smarter I could have figured out a way to not just cost the disgusting rich money, but get their ill gotten gains to flow to me. Why? Because as we have learned in America, being rich should be your first and main goal since everything you want flows from that. I could then use this money to keep costing the disgusting rich money.
In my life I’ve helped people create millions and I’ve helped people lose millions. I’ve enjoyed helping people create millions more, partly because the people I helped were creating good things and they valued my help. When I’ve cost people money, there is satisfaction because I hurt people who were creating bad things, but my work wasn’t valued beyond, “Atta boys.” I think that I, like a lot of, people in America are still locked in to the idea that, “First get rich. If you can’t get rich then there is something wrong with you. Being a “good man” doesn’t get you much beyond an occasional warm feeling while shaving.
I think of all the students who will have huge debt coming out of college. Their mandate will need to be, “First get rich.” Will they have the ability to see beyond that need? I don’t think I could. It’s hard enough to get a job, let alone one that will make you rich.
But maybe it is a fallacy that everything you want flows from being rich. How do you prove it? How many people, after hearing the stories of how money doesn’t buy lottery winners’ happiness, say, “Let me try it and win the lottery and then we’ll see. I’ll be different. Money WILL make me happy. I can buy what I want and be happy.”
Should I be just as delusional (and have the same poor understanding of math) as other Americans and buy lottery tickets? Should I “buy” into the “first get rich” attitude? I’m already been part of the “first be poor” attitude and its been pretty crummy.
I’m very frustrated right now. Pointing to the defeat of Meg Whitman who spent millions doesn’t help much right now. The shortcut of buying elections is appealing. But it’s not just that they are buying ads, they are cashing in on the attitudes that someone spent 40 years inculcating.
Here is what 40 years of buying smart communicators, the media, regulators and legislators seem to prove:
- ♦ Money CAN buy you your election (even if that isn’t true all the time- “Let me show you a bunch of stories where it happened, ignore the times it didn’t.”).
- ♦ Guns CAN protect you (even if that isn’t true all the time – “Let me tell you a bunch of stories where guns protected people, ignore the times they didn’t, besides if more people had guns there would be more protection!”)
- ♦ Wall Street CAN fix the problems they created (even if that isn’t true most the time – “Read about a bunch of Very Serious People ™ who believe self regulation works, even though they have been wrong almost 100 percent of the time”.)
So in the face of this ‘evidence’ we should be going out and buying elections, getting guns and letting Wall Street regulate themselves.
But I’m not buying their evidence. I’m going to work to show the failure of their evidence, to change attitudes and prove them wrong. Or maybe I’ll grow back my goatee and accept that I can’t be that one man with a vision.
Very Serious People is a ™ of Duncan Black, Atrios



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I was going to use a photo of me with a goatee, but I’ve shaved.
I can understand your feelings of despair right now (I think). But you’ve given ample evidence here that you know where your truth lies, and it’s not directing your life’s effort toward acquiring wealth.
Take a break to decompress; smoke a two reefers, and call me in the mornin’. If ya have no MM card, two glasses of brandy…
Great photo, by the by, spocko . ;o)
This may sound trite and stale but it is true. Money cannot buy happiness. I know even though I have never been rich as such.
You can buy toys and pretty things and superficial relationships. But that is about all.
I have all the toys I need.
I watch “This Old House” and “New Yankee Workshop” and think “Gee I wish I had those things.” but more so I wish I had the expertise and ability of the those on the show.
I watch “Globe Trecker” and wish I could go to the mountains of Switzerland and Austria but mostly I wish I still had the stamina and physical ability to hike there.
None of these things can be bought. You have to work to them and even then there is no guarantee.
And when the food is gone, money cannot be eaten.
“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24
Where’s the Bible Thumpers, when ya really need ‘em…? ;-)
Hey are all,”prosperity gospel! Have you heard the good news? Jesus wants you to be rich! That is what the whole thing about the talents is! Compound interest baby! Invest you money in the stock market! Dont bury your money in low interest loans! And the widow’s mite? That is about giving your money to the church just like Mitt! 10% is great! Plus it’s tax dedictable! I Jesus didn’t want churches to be rich he wouldn’t have made then tax free! ”
Also camels were smaller in those days and needle was a 1st century New word for cave, so you are wrong there too, Mr. “Jesus was a liberal.”
Yeah, money is soo bad. Let’s jump on the austerity bandwagon, yay!
But seriously, the great post-war middle class expansion was based on some pretty materialistic aims. What’s wrong with that?
For example, both my parents didn’t even have college degrees, yet they were able to attain good, fairly secure jobs, a house, vacations, affordable health care, adequate retirement, able to send 2 kids to college, etc.
What’s wrong with this kind of modest prosperity? Shouldn’t we be fighting for this rather than making pretentious spiritual criticisms of money?
Frustrated that even on this site, there’s a lack of clarity of what the Left is supposed to stand for. I think that if you look at the history of labor struggles, they were fighting for concrete goals, not bong-hit philosophy and drum circles.
What’s wrong with “post-war middle class expansion”?
a) It required a continuation of war.
b) It muddled the middle class’ comprehension of capitalism such that it could not respond to it’s consequences and devolution.
c) It produced a cornucopia of compradors.
The Koch brothers have more billions than I have fingers and toes. I’m sure they’re well-meaning and patriotic; but, is there any reasoning with them?
“Required” a continuation of war? Perhaps you confusing necessary and sufficient.
Employment, health care, education, transportation etc are not goods that are necessarily bought by a continuation of war.
The middle class incomprehension of capitalism was not produced by prosperity, but rather the systematic dismantling of labor.
The cornucopia of compradors don’t want anything like a shared vision of modest prosperity.
F*ck the Koch Bros, I’m more worried about Sheldon’s billions… Haaretz: Adelson’s Billions in Service of U.S. War Against Iran… 8-(
(Well, although I figure they’re gonna do the job, they want Uncle Sugar to do it for them.)
a. I think it was more important that the rest of the world had been flattened by WWII, and it took them 20 years to get well, while we rode the wave.
b. Man you got that right. But let me add: Tongorad has it bracketed, but he didn’t score a direct hit. The new middle class forgot why they were working 8 to 5, 5 days a week, getting overtime, sick leave, vacation and health care at work. They couldn’t see why they should pay union dues. This generation can’t see why you need to maintain your roads; they’ve never seen the world without good roads.
c. Cornucopia? I’d like something less upbeat. Maybe a deluge.
I had a mentor who repeated “there are two kinds of power–money power and people power–and people power can beat money power every time; that why the money is spent to divide people power”. I think that’s still true.
What we have not figured out at a practical action level is how to fight the divisive power of the incredible amounts of money that are being spent in propaganda and in the paramilitary equipment of repression. And I am beginning to think that it is because we are so busy repeating the mantra “ain’t it awful” that we are not figuring out how to get out of this fix.
Congrats, spocko…! I’m glad your excellent work is now front-paged…! *g*
Thanks. The planners thought continuing war necessary to subduing the left, sedating the population, undercutting commies, managing the former European colonies (and Europe), maintaining hegemony, and enforcing extraction. Yes, it required winning a World War and that advantage lasted a measly generation; clearly it had a bastard’s genesis. Go ahead, put that at the top of the list.
I think it’s because “we” don’t want to know how awful it is.
Your mentor has an excellent point. And that money IS spent to divide us. Think of all the money spent to make any differences clear and to exaggerate them. The money spent on belief tanks that push our differences. The money spent to demonize unions is huge, and part of that is to make people think that unions are still a huge power.
Funny story. I was at the Jame O’Keefe University ™ when someone brought up Citizens United to the organization that was paying for the classes. (American’s for Prosperity -aka Koch money belief tank)
The person asked about the role Citizens United had in the election and the AFP person said, “CU simply leveled the playing field for corporations since Unions could always spend what ever amount they wanted to to influence elections.” That is an out and out lie, but since I was undercover I didn’t bother to challenge it.
Tis a shame nobody heeded, former 5 star Gen., and, Prez Ike’s farewell speech…! 8-(
Hey have you seen the new Batman? I don’t want to go into spoilers for people, but the issue of income inequality and “how bad can it get if everything burns?” does come up.
Pitifully it’s true. You know I presume that unions beat the communists before the Great Depression, and the NAACP beat them before J. Edgar had even heard of them.
Ask the Greeks, Iraqis, Syrians, ad nauseum… How they’re doing…! 8-(
I think the success of the rich and their all consuming, insatiable greed is going to be a huge part of their own undoing. We’ve got what has to be the most idiotic and oblivious rich, white guy in like EVER running for President, Lobbists openly proclaiming that taxes should be raised and “entitlements” cut in order to keep their interests booming, you’ve got the deeply unpopular Citizens United decision, there’s the anemic recovery that’s obviously not being suffered by the criminals who caused the pain to begin with, there’s the very justifiable perception that the law doesn’t apply to the rich, the list goes on and on. I work for a fundie in a very conservative city and I hear the teabaggers all the time. Currently they hate Obama more than they hate the rich. But only just… They are perhaps never going to support most liberal ideas but there is a whole lot of common ground there with the ones who are on the more rational end of the scale.
Thanks! I was talking some friends about this issue earlier and a lot of them are wondering what to do next.
There is a big part of me that wants to not only defeat the right, but to cost them money. You know the accountability portion of our system is lacking and the nation cries out for justice. When we don’t get it, we can go into despair, cynicism or anger. I fluctuate between despair and anger.
I also know that a lot of progressive groups are very uncomfortable with forcing people into uncomfortable positions. “What does it get us expect legal costs? Can’t we just spend the money of positive things? Doesn’t what we resist persist? Besides Spocko they are just too big powerful and rich.” True, but if there is NOBODY attempting to derichify them, they will just keep getting richer and consolidating their power.
The journalists who used to “afflict the comfortable” are now into comforting the comfortable.
No, can you give me a link?
The best way to become rich is, of course, to choose the right parents.
Class warfare is so 1930s. Get over it. Some people have more and some have less.
*heh* No doubt, tammany, that silver
footspoon is ‘priceless’…! ;-)Let me guess. You have less.
Some people have more and
some have lesssome die from lack of health care, some die from lack of food, some die from refinery fires, etc.Don’t they like jujitsu?
You mean class warfare like this, in which conservative (fake) “Christians” are being encouraged to kidnap peoples’ children? Talking about rich people being loathsome isn’t “class warfare”. Kidnapping children, shooting Sikhs, suppressing voters, denying healthcare, restricting womens’ very rights to legal procedures…THAT’s class warfare. Just sayin’…
Likely this.
Less than some and more than others. But I’m not going to piss and moan about the people who have more. I’m not going to blame them for the position I’m in. That is nothing more than jealousy.
You want to blame a refinery fire on the “rich”
Talk about looking for a boogie man. You really need to examine your own life and figure out why you are so bitter. Its sad and pathetic.
Those twist marks on your arms must be extremely painful. Tell whomever is responsible for it to stop forcing you to read FDL posts.
Twist marks? Hardly. It just so happens that for every dozen or so brilliant posts something as stupid and petty as this comes along. Sometimes you need to call a spade a spade.
The only thing that is going to bring reform and people power is massive suffering and that is the direction we are headed. When people become completely desolate they may start to see the truth. Everything the conservatives stand for means more suffering for more people. Just when we will reach the breaking point is the question but it may well be under Romney if he is elected and if conservatives and the rich continue to win the day. If things were bad and close to economic ruin under Bush what will they be under Romney?
Excuse me, did you just call my post stupid and petty? Or are you referring to someone ones comment?
While whether we are heading in that direction and how soon may be debated but it’s true that comfortable people don’t start or participate in revolutions. American history and indeed human history are on our side. There will come a time when we will snap back to the left as a society, to again begin the loooooooong, drawn out drift to the right. The only real questions are “When?” and “How bad will things have to get?”. The rest is inevitable.
I don’t think blogging is your calling. Sorry.
Save it. You get some kind jollies for your ego by coming along and trying to act all clever and superior. Except all you’re able to do is parrot right wing talking points like “class warfare”, and then get personally insulting. That’s what you do. That’s all I’ve seen you do.
baaaawhahaaahaaaa!
And All I’ve seen you do is blindly defend whatever is posted on this site despite a continuous stream of facts suggesting otherwise. Thankfully most here are able to understand and accept criticism far better.
Santayana must be spinning in his grave, Peg…!
…Our character…is an omen of our destiny, and the more integrity we have and keep, the simpler and nobler that destiny is likely to be…
tweeted and recommended spocko. congrats on getting published on the fdl front page!
You DO realize that anybody can click on your name and get access to your commenting history, don’t you? The same goes for mine. What I said is simple reality and can be easily ascertained to any reader’s satisfaction, while your disparagement of my commentating can also be easily and independently verified or refuted, (depending on point of view I suppose), by the same process. I’ll leave it for others to judge as it’s late and tomorrow comes early. Goodnight.
I love your extensive ‘track record,’ Peg…! Sweet Dreams…!
Which was my goal of course! ;)
‘Night!
You are the worst example of a patriot living. You wouldn’t lift a finger if some rich asshole bought out your mortgage out from under you and threw you and yours into the street.. I bet you never served in the Military either… Go away and appease the rich thieving asswipes at the top somewhere else! I pity your offspring…
Interesting. From a Ralph Dumain review of Intellectuals and Public Life: Between Radicalism and Reform:
Perhaps “broke from them” is more accurate than “beat them”.
yawn…..
If I was such a deadbeat that I was delinquent on my mortgage I would fully expect to be kicked out of my house. I wouldn’t whine about it either. If you can’t keep your financial situation in order maybe buying that house wasn’t such a smart idea.
I don’t think humanity is yours.
CAD (ho ho ho) is not the best specimen of Organic Comprador.
Another talking point ticked off the list. Good job!
What a supreme ‘d*ckhead’, No…? ;-)
Class warfare is the business of the wealthy, and business is good- very good. I don’t suppose you’d be educated enough to be aware of the Gini Coefficient, never mind its economic ramifications.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/GINIretouchedcolors.png
If ignorance is bliss, you must be among the happiest around.
You know how many times the “evil rich” have swooped in and bought out my mortgage or the mortgage of anyone I have ever associated with? Zero! You know why? Because the bank is happy to hold it because I’m, making on time payments.
To add: what a tool. Cheering on the descent of the US into Third World status and blaming the victims. If you were rich, your position would be rational at least. Unprincipled but rational from a purely selfish perspective. As it is you are just another ignorant American Exceptionalist too stupid to realize you are being conned. Enjoy.
Give me a yawn break! You would’t lift a finger even if you were up to date with your payments and you would just roll over and take what was done to you… Your words say a lot more than you think you convey…
What are you talking to me about your house payments for? I could give a hardy shit.
A veritable paragon of self-righteous talking-point regurgitation.
You are absolutely right. Blogging is not my “calling” (how Catholic of you) Because a format can hardly be a calling.
I’m an activist who happens to write. I’m actually a very successful activist and I don’t really need to defend myself to you since your opinion doesn’t really matter. As Margaret said, anyone can see your commenting history and I of course didn’t respond until I had a bit of understanding of who you are based on how you represent yourself in your writing. Just like you could read mine here on FDL or by googling me. Maybe you have read about my exploits in the lefty News papers like the New York Times, the UK Guardian, Al Jazeera English, German and Spanish papers or The SF Chronicle where they talk about my role in costing local right wing radio millions in revenue, getting two hosts fired. That was when I successful fought ABC/KSFO/Disney in an copyright case and won. That’s right, I beat Disney in a copyright case. Or maybe you heard of how I helping get Glenn Beck kicked off of Fox TV, cost Rush Limbaugh millions and embarrassing Rupert Murdoch in front of his institutional investors. No, didn’t hear about those?
Then there is the stuff you couldn’t have heard about because the records are sealed because the major chicken manufacturer didn’t want to admit to the public how I caught them in the act of contaminating the human food supply.
You see Fox News and the right wing media don’t like to cover the work I do because that means they know they are losing. When they do it is to attack me and call for my death, why do they want me dead? Because I cost them money and I challenged their beliefs.
When I was doing stand up comedy my late comedy coach told me that you can engage hecklers or ignore them, often they heckle because they think 1) they are helping 2) they want to be performers and are afraid to actually be on stage and learn just how hard it is and how unskilled they are.
I think you might fall in to the later category. Please direct me to your writing or activism. I can put links to my stories in publications around the nation and the world as well as legal documents, but it’s just a google away.
On the other hand maybe you are trying to provide me with constructive criticism by name calling. Somehow I doubt it, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt because I’m just that kind of guy.
On the other other hand I could do as my friend Thers does when people attack his writing by name calling instead of thoughtful or witty comments. He simply says, “Bite me.”
Why are you so bitter?
I lift a finger when there is actually something to lift a finger about. As of now there is nothing to lift a finger about. People who make poor decisions will generally end up with poor results. I’m sorry things have turned out so poorly for you but I’m sure if you look back on the choices you have made it will be fairly easy to identify where things went wrong. Hopefully you can man up and take responsibility for your actions. I know its harder than blaming others so I won/t hold my breath.
Sounds like you need to get laid bro.
Good one Kurt.
Headed towards a third world country. Right……….
Why do you think things have turned out badly for nahant? You sure do make a lot of assumptions, dude.
Are you offering? I do live in San Francisco.
Nahant seems to have some sort of paranoia that the rich are out to get him. I’m just trying to get to the bottom of where that is coming from. Guy must have been burned somewhere along the line. I’m interested in where. Maybe it was a bad facebook investment. I just don’t know
no
more stupid assumptions.
How could a stupid ass make any other kind?
Poorly??? Poorly if only you knew! My, Our life is and has been great as many here know. I have many things to be thankful for including the home that we OWN and we are NOT in any danger of losing and also for all the grand kids who LOVE me and my little lady. Bet if you have any they find You despicable as the dark of lightness stormy night .. But back yo your callous ass… By your comments and I have taken the time to look, you are nothing but a paid shill for the rich assholes who have been destroying this country and will continue to do so until they are held accountable for their actions and by that I DO mean Jail time.. But I am sick of commenting with a worthless piece of defecation you are so go somewhere where you can get accolades for you selfish views… Sure hope that Buba has fun with your ass in prison when your time comes and surely as Curiosity has landed on Mars it will happen.
Size anxiety or performance anxiety? Don’t worry I understand, I promise I won’t tell anyone.
Yer absolutely clueless, dewd…! On so many levels…! Get a grip on reality…! 8-(
Probably the best description of certain trolls the frequent this site at times. Thought I cannot link to the citation…sigh.
In short immature spoiled brats that were the children of my generation.
sigh……
Not Organic, huh?
Well don’t we have the textbook wingnut troll in action here tonight.
The slightest examination of the role of wealth inequality become “class warfare”
Concrete and reasoned examples are ignored and met with name calling – “bitter”, “jealous” etc.
Evidence of the effects of income inequality are answered with fatuous talk about “how the troll pays the mortgage on time” – as if that’s some superhuman feat when you still have a job (more likely the troll has a room in mom’s basement and the only time he’s seen a mortgage payment check is when mom asked, over extensive eye-rolling, for the troll to take it to the mailbox.)
Is there some kind of correspondence school that teaches this stuff – because it’s the same routine over and over. Couldn’t there be a little variety once in a while, a little originality. I don’t mind trolls so much, it’s just he mind-numbingly predictable ones that made me despair for the lack of education in this country.
A paid shill? I comment about a post maybe once or twice a week. If I’m getting paid to post I’m certainly not earning my paycheck.
Prison? good one.
Now now nahant, please do not suggest that Mr. CADreaming will be subject to prison rape. I don’t think that anyone deserves to be raped in prison for the crimes or their unfortunate view.
Like a comedy heckler, Mr. CADreaming surely believes that he is correct and he is either enlightening us or is getting LULZ by “sticking to the liberals making their heads explode.”
In fact, I’ve found his little trolling vaguely amusing.
What used to be called “The ME Generation.” spoiled rotten, immature, selfish, self centered and boorish.
I think you need to look around and identify which posters are wearing those tinfoil hats and using the “rich” as a boogie man for their own shortcomings.
You said “shortcomings” ha! Good one.
*heh* Ya done took a wrong turn, somewhere in the toobz, Bro…! ;-)
I do agree but a Troll like will someday find KARMA gets him and it won’t be pretty.. And I am sure that one day he will end up with the rest of those who no longer can be trusted in polite society or for that mater society in general..
Hope all is well with ya spocko…
Any Bay Area types remember Art Hoppe at the Chron? I’ve always remembered a column he wrote after a road trip south, and talking about how The Rich Are Different – describing Hearst Castle & environs, then the Monterey Bay Aquarium (funded by David Packard of HP). Last line went something like
“Yes, the rich are different from you and me – fortunately, they’re different from each other.”
Can’t buy his soul back?
One can make the argument that working people didn’t deserve or earn the post-war American expansion, and that we all have war blood on our hands. I guess that’s a winning hand down at the drum circle or with the revolutionary “comrades” in a post-graduate seminar, but I don’t see how it’s going to play in the streets. Self-righteous guilt trips are fun, but it seems like a sure path to political and social irrelevance.
Meanwhile, the right is organizing to take away what was fought for by earlier generations of workers, while we look to other countries that have six-week vacations, universal health care & education etc, with impotent awe and envy.
*heh* I’m sure (s)he’ll break a tooth or two, on that gold brick, comrade…! ;-)
You don’t strike me as the organizing type, comrade.
Hang in there Spocko, we’re all with you on this. Quite frankly it’s not the rich we’re too worried about, it’s the crooks that have gotten very rich by screwing the world economy and then getting bailed out with our money.
Someone’s going to get in trouble for this sign, but it states pretty well what most everybody’s thinking:
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/08/las-vegas-billboard_620x350.jpg
Bloomberg puts the bailout total at $13 trillion dollar:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-undisclosed-to-congress-gave-banks-13-billion-in-income.html
Just think about that, that would pay for national healthcare, fund SS practically forever, pay for our infrastructure repairs, send all out kids to college, update us to a smart grid, and send a manned NASA mission to Mars.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, it must all be a lie because Bloomberg is such a well know left wing rag. So I bet they low balled the bailout. SIGTARP put the total of the bailout at $23 trillion and his job was to be Inspector General of the bailout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-eC2iKQps
So you can probably double everything good we could have done for our country. Funny, Feds claim we cannot “afford” SS or Medicare, but can shell out $23 trillion to a bunch of fuck ups in two short years.
money doesn’t buy a soul…. Only good deeds and love can buy a soul…
…Only good deeds and love can buy a soul…
That’s why I Occupy, nahant…! ;-)
Off to the gulag or firing squad with me, eh comrade?
But not before some brain-washing about what horrible war-monger materialist I am, right-o?
Shame on us working people for wanting more.
In fact, you’ll find many people who’d rather jointly sacrifice some material comfort than go through this capitalist torture.
You could fault me for denying them a delusion of the future, too, but that would clearly be misplaced, no?
“I’m an activist who happens to write. I’m actually a very successful activist and I don’t really need to defend myself to you since your opinion doesn’t really matter. ”
And so began a self defense that took up my entire laptop screen.
yup. I think it’s because “we” don’t want to know how awful it is.
And was going to be. That “we” was not a spectacle; the delusions were eagerly embraced.
Just for the record, I had the opportunity to interview all the major candidates in the WA-1 and while my personal ideology might have favored Burner, I have absolutely no problem supporting DelBene. The nature of my connection to them involved access to a labor union’s PAC and so I had several opportunities for fairly in-depth discussions with them 1-on-1. My takeaway is that they are both intelligent individuals committed to improving and protecting our republic in a way that benefits us all and does credit to our ideals. The fact that Suzan won is more a comment on an electorate (even the political base!) that over-depends on TV imagery and that unhappy fact will always favor the deeper pockets…
O Spirit of gravity!
A mournful call for austerity that could have been lifted verbatim from the neoliberal playbook.
Apparently doctrinaire Marxists are just as unimaginative, rigid and ideological hidebound as the local Chamber of commerce, who knew?
Say, you’re using the same caricatures as O’Donkeytale. Wrong crowd you’re associating with, comrade.
Excellent. Please continue along this Yellow Brick Road of inquiry. If the propagandizing and social engineering of the public is so thorough that the question of how to empower the masses is never seriously asked, how (and from where) will an answer come?
During the recent high visibility phase of the Occupy Wall Street movement, I looked in vain for even the lefties who want socialism to write diaries about the populist and socialist success stories in South America. I looked in vain for people to explore the ‘secrets’ of Hugo Chavez’ rise to power in Venezuela, what it’s meant for Venzuela’s poor, and whether or not Venezuela would have been better off with Hugo Chavez occupying a tent in some square in Caracas, instead of the Presidential suite, and whether the Venezuelans who voted for Chavez and his party were fools, since “voting doesn’t matter” (i.e., what lessons can be inferred from South American success stories, if any). Also, let’s not forget that the American Tea Parties continue to accumulate electoral upsets of the Republican status quo. How did they accomplish that? The lefty misanthropes who yell “racist” and “(nothing but) Koch dupes” whenever the subject of the Tea Parties arises, but continually fail to ask the most important questions, are not your friends, even if they claim to believe the same things you do. They are setting you up to fail. Whether intentionally, or not.
If the American intelligentsia refuses to ask the sorts of questions that lead to actionable reform efforts at altering the power structure, of course the public is going to remain ignorant of the most plausible answers.
OK, I recall a single diary, on the short side, in this vein; I think by Phoenix Woman. The larger point remains.
“The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.”
William Shakespeare
http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/fault-dear-brutus-our-stars
1. Obvious Troll should be ignored. Obviously.
2. I don’t know about you, but I’m getting a giggle out of seeing “Spocko” and “Tongo Rad” disagree. Perhaps a jam session will calm things down.
3. in response to RaggMopp @12: I agree that “cornucopia” is too hopeful a word, but “deluge” equally evokes nature, which had precious little to do with this. How about “barrage”? That has a nicely military slaughter-redolent connotation to it.
“It’s rough when the rich beat us.”
It sure is. The past three-and-half-years have been a misery. Especially, considering that we had a golden opportunity to kick their asses so hard they’d have to take off their shirts to shit.
All roads lead to austerity, eh comrade? Speaking of crowds, that sounds kinda familiar.
tonograd, that is very good. I don’t buy the necessity that Ludwig thinks follows on from peace and prosperity and ordinary ‘materialistic’ values. That necessity, Ludwig, only follows on from greed, and my parents were not greedy. The song I remember from desperate times went
I don’t want your millions mister,
I don’t want your diamond ring,
All I want is the right to live mister,
Give me back my job again.
When that happens, a sustainable society is possible. We are being run by sociopaths at present. This need not be.
Thanks for the diary, spocko. Recommended.
The comfortable middle class of the last century in America was based on exploitation of the “third world.”
Comrade, you are only qualified to read Jesus’ mind. However, if that skill is as bad as your ability to interpret text, well, …
We already know the answer to that.
Capitalism is the creation of psychopaths and they will deny you that job for living. Even if they gave it to you, likely it wouldn’t be a living.
Say, comrade Juliana, you should read this book: Complicity in the Holocaust. It’s about those good Christian Germans who enabled Hitler. Apparently Christian charity can’t always conquer ignorance.
And what of those good Marxists who enabled Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc?
They obviously didn’t have Gott on their side.
Doctrinaire Marxists are morons, believing in a utopia in which no one person has any more than any other person. The Premier/leader/whatever, shouldn’t have anything more than the lowliest peasant but most of us know better. There’s exactly one fat guy in North Korea and he happens to be the “Dear Leader” of that particular Marxist paradise. Collectivism works great for ants but the problem is, people aren’t ants. They dream and aspire to be better, to be more comfortable and secure. I challenge anybody who believes Marxism is the best thing since sliced bread to find me one communist leader, just one, who does/did not have more privileges, better food, greater access to health care, etc than his/her subjects. There is a lot to be said for socialism and I consider myself at least partly socialist but at the same time I recognize that pure Marxism can’t be applied to human beings and anybody who tells you differently is angling to eventually be one of those “more equal” members of a collective society.
Right, my eschatology is better than your eschatology.
The same can certainly be said of Western Democratic leaders, yes?
Don’t know about “pure” marxism, or any other austere distant horizon that only a priestly class can see.
But giving more power to workers seems to be best/only solution at the moment.
We don’t need better bosses, we need to be in charge.
Word.
Your eschatology is an ancient tradition of authoritarian worship. Your preference for it is probably predicated on a cynical view of our prospects. But, hey, your faith won.
Had a senior moment there? Probably the ants are going to be more secure due to all that selfish dreaming.
That’s got negative information content.
On the contrary, I’ve got little patience with eschatology and in context I was talking about things like full employment, affordable housing, increased vacations, universal health care & education, etc to which you responded with cliches about how these things can only with war blood.
I rather think you are the one with the grim & cynical outlook comrade.
No, those were the conditions your empire placed on your golden age dream world, never to appear again. And you want to nag the commie. What a fool.
Or perhaps you are pollyanna.
The many abused by overlapping theisms lose their power of discrimination and proselytize their own abuse.