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Dede Scozzafava, the Republican candidate for Congress in New York’s far north 23rd district to succeed GOP Congressman-turned-Obama-Army-Secretary John McHugh, suspended her campaign today in light of polls suggesting she can’t win. This means Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, the anointed candidate of Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann, will likely win this seat, held by Republicans since the Civil War.
Dede Scozzafava, the Republican and Independence parties candidate, announced Saturday that she is suspending her campaign for the 23rd Congressional District and releasing all her supporters.
The state Assemblywoman has not thrown her support to either Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, or Bill Owens, the Democratic candidate.
"Today, I again seek to act for the good of our community," Ms. Scozzafava wrote in a letter to friends and supporters. "It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger and our district and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations."
Apparently the most recent Siena Research Institute poll shows the GOP trailing badly:
Ms. Scozzafava told the Watertown Daily Times that Siena Research Institute poll numbers show her too far behind to catch up – and she lacks enough money to spend on advertising in the last three days to make a difference. Mr. Owens has support from 36 percent of likely voters in the poll, with Mr. Hoffman garnering 35 percent support. Ms. Scozzafava has support from 20 percent of those polled.
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Thanks Teddy!
Does this mean Hoffman will win? Or will people still vote for Dede, splitting the Republican vote and allowing Owens to squeak through their rift?
And why suspend your campaign, release your supporters and endorsers — but not endorse Hoffman yourself?
Veddy interesting. Will the R party allow itslef to disintegrate and then reform even further to the right?
Where will those moderate R’s go? If they cant survive in the northeast, where can they go? Nad who will gain their support?
Amazing, tho perilous times in which we live…
Here’s Dede’s statement to supporters in full:
“Dear friends and supporters:
“Throughout the course of my campaign for Congress, I have made the people of the 23rd District and the issues that affect them the focal point of my campaign. As a life long resident of this district, I care deeply and passionately about its people and our way of life. Whether as a candidate for Congress, a state Assemblywoman or a small town mayor, I have always sought to act with the best interest of our district and its residents in mind—and today I again seek to act for the good of our community.
“The opportunity to run as the Republican and Independence Party candidate to represent the 23rd District has been and remains one of the greatest honors of my life. During the past several months, as I’ve traveled the district, meeting and talking with voters about the issues that matter most to them, I’ve been overwhelmed by the amount of support I’ve received as I sought to serve as their voice in Washington. However, as Winston Churchill once said, Democracy can be a fickle employer, and the road to public office is not always a smooth one.
“In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be. The reality that I’ve come to accept is that in today’s political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money—and as I’ve been outspent on both sides, I’ve been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record. But as I’ve said from the start of this campaign, this election is not about me, it’s about the people of this district. And, as always, today I will do what I believe serves their interests best.
“It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger and our district and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations.
“On Election Day my name will appear on the ballot, but victory is unlikely. To those who support me – and to those who choose not to – I offer my sincerest thanks. Dede.”
Link to Dede’s statement
this bears checking in to – guess it’s time to do a little googling
thanks Teddy
FWIW NY State has long had active 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc parties with voting/ballot lines. My WAG is that Hoffman may win but that does not mean all that much. Conservatives have won over the years without having the same candidate as the Rs although NY does allow an individual to appear on multiple ballot lines. I know I voted one time for Mario Cuomo on the Liberal Party line rather than Democratic Party line. And James Buckley won the Javits Senate Seat primarily as a Conservative rather than as a Republican.
If Hoffman wins, the tea-party contingent will be emboldened to challenge heretic GOPs in 2010 primaries nationwide. That’s why the GOP establishment is scrambling to get aboard the Hoffman train; they hope to own a part of his victory and protect their brand and vulnerable incumbents.
Even NRCC head Pete Sessions endorsed Hoffman, practically unheard of in DeeCee endorsement politics (politico):
Why suspend?
She’s probably out of money and the donors have dried up. This is a way to get out with grace and avoid being tagged as a failed candidate.
from Dave Weigel at the WIndy:
More from Dave:
ACORN! Pelosi! Big Labor! Abortion!
Hoffman puts out a statement:
dakine, do you think then that too much has been made of this at the national level? I was not aware of the vigor of alternate parties up there, and this was looking to me like a real shift to right for the national GOP. Perhaps that is unwarranted, based on local political history in NY state?
IMNSVHO, the major impact nationally is the Right wing Republicans against the far right wing Conservatives. Of course the TradMed talking heads will attempt to paint this as “ZOMG Obama couldn’t win this seat!1!” but as Teddy points out, this seat and area has been staunchly Republican since the Civil War. It’s just that TradMed has their narratives and storylines and a Conservative replacing a moderate Republican from this district is really as important as it would be if a Liberal were to win in the MA 8th (Tip O’Neill’s old seat) instead of a Democrat. As in not very.
The fight is only important within, and at the edges, of the GOP. The exclusionist fringe of the party has killed the candidacy of a moderate, actively campaigning against her.
The actual story is counter to the TradMed narrative: a Hoffman win, should he pull it off (I’m not convinced that Dede’s withdrawal helps him more than Owens, and her non-endorsement may imply support for Owens) then we’ll hear lots of “ZOMG the country is ditching Obama!”
But actually, a Hoffman victory is a disaster for the institutional GOP. Lots of teabaggers will be emboldened to challenge incumbent GOPs in 2010, either in primaries (not so good for the GOP) or in general elections (very bad for the GOP).
Put it this way: if a party that claims the allegiance of 20% of Americans splits in two, the larger party can ALSO split in two and still win elections. So this is very good news for Progressives all the way around, whether we aim to continue our advance on the Democratic party or want to abandon the the shell of our party to Corporatists.
While an Owens victory will mute the TradMed hollering about GOP resurgence we are sure to hear in the likely event of a McDonnell win in Virginia, Owens will be no asset in our Democratic House caucus: another Blue Dog, pulling the caucus to the right, selling out to corporate interests, working against working families. There’s a case to be made (but not by TradMed) that an Owens victory is actually the worst possible outcome for an increasingly liberal House caucus.
And a tweet from party ‘leader’ Newt Gingrich seals the deal that is the sinking ship Dede:
If you were Dede, would you support Hoffman? I sure as hell wouldn’t, all things considered.
Hoffman endorsed by two wingnuts (Palin and Bachmann) and MN gov Tim Pawlenty who is very scary the other 364 days of the year, too.
Oh, you guys just love her pink jacket.
And, Peterr, is there anything wrong with This is a way to get out with grace and avoid being tagged as a failed candidate?
I don’t expect an answer. Some of you never or rarely do.
But, it’s okay. I got to make my point.
the guy is a psychotic paranoid or a complete liar, or both. he will make a great right wing congressman.
Dave Weigel has a long “What Happens, Who Wins, Who Loses” post up at the WIndy.
Excerpt:
Just checked out Hoffman’s photo. How is it possible to look like a Republican? It is, though. A certain je ne sais quoi-ness.
Doesn’t everyone care what Andrew Sullivan thinks?
This will push the GOP further Right next election I don’t see to many Moderates running as GOPers.
He is the Moderate Ignored Voice of GOP sanity and as long as the GOP is ignoring him we should pick up more Moderate Voters.
Is that worse than the smug we know everything from the other side?
The GOP is running on anti taxes? Fine lets call the next tax increase the pay for the wars Bush lost tax. A tax on the richest 5% should work. By taxing the super rich the Tea Baggers can’t really rally their troops to support them without getting laughed at.
And we start getting America back where Keynes placed us when we were at our greatest.
More Sully:
The same could be said for the netroots. We are viewed as ‘ideological purists’, and our support for running primaries against incumbent democrats is also a ‘purge for purisim’. so this appears to be happening on both ends of the poltical spectrum.
Here comes the GOP party split. The remaining Republicans are essentially becoming the Whigs at this point.
However, I still think there’s a chance media are reading too much national significance into this district–based on dakine’s characterization of strong alternative parties in NY state. Many areas of the country do not have that alternate party strength, and therefore the electoral situation we’re seeing in this district simply cannot occur in many areas of country.
Except we use our “ideological purism” to drag the Democratic party into mainstream American positions: against the Iraq War, in favor of health care reform, and (maybe) against corporatism. No one talked about the Iraq War in 2006 (per Rahm’s instructions) until Ned Lamont beat Joe Lieberman in the August primary. No one worried about their direct connections to lobbyists until Donna Edwards beat Al Wynn in Maryland.
We are trying to mainstream the Democratic party with our challenges, while the tea-partiers are dragging the GOP to the fringes.
The difference is electoral success vs exile.
Here’s the thing. I dislike righty fundamentalists for always having to make anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe as Wrong. And, I see far too much of this on This Side. Teddy, if you wanted to write an article about Hoffman’s new chances and add this chick as a link, I could have bought it. But, your using her Pink Jacket as the focus, just turns me off. Cheap Shot, babe. But, of course, it’s your post, and you can do it any way you want. Of course.
I’m just saying Fundamentalists are not my favorite folks.
So we will never get the 20%ers but the GOP Moderates are up for grabs or maybe they stay home next election because they can’t vote GOP or Dem?
Cool! Every Pollster saying we will lose next election thinks that Minority votes and Young people votes will revert to form during a non Presidential election.
The African American vote won’t but I wonder if any of the Pollsters are taking into account GOP Moderates staying home because they have no place in the party?
One more right wing nutcase joins the goopers in congress. He’ll feel right at home
Its unlikely but with mail in votes already mailed in the GOP candidate might lose the National GOP has expended a lot of Cred on this one. I would love to see them disappointed.
Give me a break, demi.
First of all, I didn’t choose the photo, so stop griefing me about it. This post went up at Seminal first, without a photo, so an FDL editor added it when it got cross-posted to the FDL front page.
Second, if you look on Dede’s website, you’ll see that the Pink Jacket photo our editor chose to top the post is her official photo. So, no one is singling out the Pink Jacket for ridicule or anything.
Third, I never mentioned her Pink Jacket in my post or any additional links I placed in comments, so you are way off base.
Try sticking to the merits of the discussion sometime.
Newt’s craven crawling over to Hoffman’s side is well worth the price of admission.
I do.
Heya Demi !!
Sometime? Wow. I’m not off track on how you see me.
So, you wrote a story about Doug and the editor scewed it? Is that what you’re saying? Didn’t know that’s how it works. Sorry.
Context scews things and sometimes a person’s original point gets missed.
I’m nobody. I just had a missperspection of your post. You don’t need a break or a pass from me. Trust me. I got the picture.
And, having just realized my rudeness – Hi Teddy.
And hello to all.
Agreed. But to Rahm, and to Obama I think (many others), you are a shrill ideological puritan, and so am I.
The subject of the post is Dede Scozzafava. Putting her picture atop it when cross-posting is entirely appropriate. No one skewed my post. The original point of the post is that Dede suspended her campaign. It was never about Hoffman, and still isn’t.
Commentary I have added from others may have focused on Hoffman, but that is natural. The focus is shifting to him as national GOPs rally round, abandoning Dede (like Newt).
I’m still not sure what my error was in your view, but I value you here.
I been lookin’ for you. *g* I want to thank you for covering my and Norske’s back Thursday morning. I wasn’t aware of the thread until last evening. I really appreciate it.
Now I need to catch that little fuckin’ backstabber.
I don’t understand why goopers vote for nutjobs pike this. I mean, I know that thus country has literacy deficit, but still… this is just primeval tribalism. I was once in an Indian city in Gujarat when a communal riot was going on – Hindu and Muslim zealot going at each other with farm implements and knives. Is this the future of the GOP?
Newt is crawling before the GOP Crazy’s again didn’t they pressure him to resign as Speaker of the House last time? Now they are making him crawl before he gets into office things are bad when Newt is not Right enough.
Oh, my. Looks like the communist has dropped out of the race. If Scozzafava is a “radical leftist” how does Malkin describe the Dem?
I figure that if someone comes after me – no problem. I can choose to engage or to walk away.
Somebody comes after friends or family – the “walk away” option ceases to exist.
that – and I was already in a mood. *g*
Three or four days without a good fight, and I get a little squirrely. Not one of my more attractive traits, to be sure.
The Rethugs have managed to make a segment of the population afraid of their own shadow. They keep electing people who say they’ll protect them from these horrors.
–This is just the beginning, soon the tide of tea-party approved candidates will be sweeping into your districts as well. Better get used to it liberals. Judgement day is just around the bend!
Jayt, I thought you were great and I just sat back and watched you demolish that guy. Nice going.
When a major bloc of the GOP coalition calls Newt Gingrich for backing a “leftist” and features graphics labelling the former Reagan Revolutionary a “RINO” we have entered cloud-cuckoo land.
{caution — links to crazy right-wing world}
Great News the more the GOP brags and insults their Moderates the less chance they will get those Moderates back come election day!
Me too.
BWAHAHAHA !!1!
Thanks for the laugh.
Yes, you do. And, unlike a lot of others here, you stand up and defend a gal when she’s being insulted. (Not on this thread, you know the other day.) I thank you for that. You’re a good man, jayt.
Living in San Francisco, I for one welcome our new Tea Party Overlords.
I’m just glad that, after getting modded so many times, I’m not banned.
And here I thought we were relatively troll free on the weekends. Oh, well.
I noticed that. I wonder if they keep records cuz you had to beat whatever it was.
Twitter from AnaMarieCox:
For reals? I just never know. We’ve not had a very amicable history. You and I.
I’ll try to keep my mouth shut around your posts. It seems I don’t get it, usually.
But, I do from time to time have something provacitive and on topic to say. Sometimes people don’t get my weird and obscure take on things. I do try, however.
That idea right there that deserves its own post Newt is now a Leftist? ( I feel so icky ). Just how far what is the New Right that calls Newt a Lefty? How does pissing off Moderate voters win you elections anywhere but the South? Aside from saying No to Obama just what are the New Rights’s ideas?
–That’s one of the more intelligent liberal responses I’ve heard recently.
Soon your laughter will turn into the tears of a clown.
Tax cuts, silly.
ummm – yeah.
I feel right at home fighting down in the dirt.
Oh, boy. LOL Did we just fall onto a Batman movie set?
Your Hearts in the right place a little weird is a small price to pay…besides if you haven’t noticed were all a little weird:)
Fine they have one idea:)
Hey, I resemble that remark.
gotta run – see y’all tonight.
Peace
Namaste
Your serious your on a post where we talk about the GOP pushing away Moderate voters and you think the 20%er Tea Baggers can win the GOP elections without Moderate votes?
Did you use to do “the Math ” for Karl?
I saw him on Late Night (comment #5). He only made one mildly provocative comment and everyone ignored him completely. May have been around since, but I’ve been out on errands and haven’t been reading.
I’ve still never gotten a straight answer from somebody making $30-40K/year why they support tax cuts for the super rich while their wages stay stagnant and what tax cuts they do get don’t amount to a hill of beans.
Hi, Molly. Whatcha doin’ tonight?
Didn’t Bush say something like that to Ossama 8 years ago?
I was actively looking for jayt. I’m not for this little twit. I got nothing but time. He’ll cross my path eventually.
Maybe we can get an online debate with some righty bloggers their logic escapes me completely.
Twist it anyway you want.
I’m just a harbinger of liberal doom.
The only person you have to blame is ObaMao, for he is the greatest recruiting tool for conservatives since RR.
Have a nice day!
They all have their fantasies that “By doG, I’m gonna hit me that Powerball/Mega-Millions/Lotto/Invent the new toy so that I’ll be one of those mega rich folks so gotta protect my fantasy future no matter how much it screws me in real life”
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What is the inference?
Seen him same name as a friend of mine from grade school he showed up on one of my diaries I didn’t notice anything wrong though. He’s been here about a month pops in front pages and Diaries I think he is looking for dirt to discredit us.
There is not enough audience on many of our Diaries to excite a normal troll.
I know that deep down but just don’t want to believe it.
I’m just a harbinger of liberal doom.
Oh, I get it now. It’s Halloween and you’re the Joker.
Ha ha ha.
Facts vs Belief
Fact the GOP is polling at its lowest numbers in a decade and they have been staying at those low numbers for months.
Belief The pollsters don’t count all of the GOP’s invisible voter support!
If Obama were such a good recruiting tool then why are the GOP’s poll numbers lower now than when John McCain was running?
Again, Halloween. It’s just Too Scarey.
You and I and Things, and many others here, un named are a different Breed.
Woo Hoo.
We spend extra $’s and hours on helping the Lonely, Lost and Wretched. And, that, my friend, is intentional. Not a gambler’s desperate attempt to make a reversal of fortune.
Well, the bonkers wing of the GOP is has already seized de facto control of the party. So I guess this is where they take control formally and being hauling out the various purity tests.
Kinda like Salem, only with extra religious nuttery.
The GOP talks big and then fails to deliver on the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy, Katrina there is a reason Obama got elected our first Black President George Bush ruined the voters trust in the GOP.
My best friend is a semi-libertarian/Republican. He’s slowly come to realize that he doesn’t really help himself until he actually HAS won the lotto or something
Plus we have fun doing it:)
I went to the Late Night thread and Byron’s not the one. There were 2 on the FBI thread givin’ folks a hard time. I’m lookin’ for the other one, who shall remain nameless.
Takes one to know one! Oh, Things, you’re so cute.
I know, I was there. (raising hand) Oh, pick me, pick me!
Oops, that’s right, we’re not supposed to talk about people…
I’ll be good. Are you watching?
Gallup poll, week ending 10-25:
Percentage of voters who call themselves conservative, 40%
Percentage of voters who call themselves moderate, 35%
Percentage of voters who call themselves LIBERAL, 20%
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Demi, Spotty (seriously, have that checked),
[Edited by Moderator Let's not have personal insults of fellow commenters please..
Here is something a pretty famous and celebrated beatle once wrote,
You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don’t you know it’s gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
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See you in the funny papers.
Have what checked?
Bush was and is a lightweight of the first order. Liberals can’t keep ringing that bell for much longer.
His worst mistake, besides trying to coddle the left, was that whole “compassionate conservative” mantra. It is what alienated the base, not the things you listed.
What does it say about the GOP that we Obama’s supporters say meaner and more truthful things about Obama than they do? On the Issues voters care about most Healthcare the economy the wars we represent the majority of
Voters.
We are the opposing viewpoint to Obama who from our perspective is playing the role the GOP used to.
So just where does that leave the GOP?
Are you Spotty?
Point the first: You do realize that the moderate and Liberal self identified add up to 55%?
Point the second: Self identification notwithstanding, why do so many folks wind up actually supporting the so-called “liberal position” on so many issues when asked for specific beliefs.
Like support for getting out of Iraq/Af-Pak, support for Public Option at a minimum (or Medicare for all).
But nice try, thank you for playing and please come again and visit.
Sure we can the GOP has no National Leaders to replace him. The closet thing you got is Sarah and she quit being Governor.
Ah c’mon, Bush and company spent years blaming everything on Clinton. It’s only been since January that we’ve had to blame everything on Bush. Surely we get a few years to return the favor.
Tweet from howie klein
Liberals can’t keep ringing that bell for much longer.
Well, why not? He’s legend speaks for itself and his willingness to be a puppet along with his Need For Love from his daddy and Them is what drove us recently to where we are now. The weakened, if not somewhat in need of Viag*a, Justice Department, the Wars, the Not just in bed with but blatantly getting bj’s of all kinds Corporations fucking us over financially.
Oh, no. George is still in the picture. No excuses or lame excuses.
“What does it say about the GOP that we Obama’s supporters say meaner and more truthful things about Obama than they do?”
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I don’t know where you’ve been hanging out, maybe you need to leave your qwerty, go outside and take a deep breath of fresh air.
Do you smell that?
It’s called fresh air.
Now go log on to any non-leftist website, and you will see what I “mean”.
This what you said at #96.
Looks to me like a to you two guys comment.
Demi, Spotty…
I’m thinking the GOP is going to wear George until they denounce him publicly.
You freaking psycho neo-cons had your chance or eight years. You used power to make the rich richer, the poor poorer, and the world more dangerous.
We will continue to mock Chimpie, and Darth and the rest of you PNAC oligarhy morons. Your new world order is just a big bummer.
58% of the American people blame Bush for the current economy.
Have you seen the stuff we say about Obama we want Healthcare for everyone now, we want the wars over and Don’t ask Don’t tell ended, we want a real job stimulus.
We don’t make up stories like Death Panels, like America has the best healthcare in the world (other countries live longer than us and pay less money) do we blame immigrants for spreading Leprosy or shooting at our house?
Do we blame poor people getting home loans for why the banks collapsed? Do we claim the Tea Baggers are a National movement when the Immigration Rights protests got bigger crowds?
Good one.
Problem.
ObaMao has done more harm, and taken the country farther through the looking glass in 10 months that shrub did in 8 years.
Moderates and independents are not identifying with ObaMao.
Your other opinion is just wrong. PO is not polling favorably, especially with likely voters and women.
Like I said, I am just a prophet. I see what I see and am never wrong. Don’t kill the messenger.
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—Things…
Good point. Palin is not the answer, though she signals a new age of conservative thought.
The Rinos had to hit rock bottom, and now new blood will emerge.
Your side needs to get right with the truth if you want to convince people to vote your way I think your movement is waiting around to die.
my bad.
On that we can agree on the GOP still hasn’t hit bottom yet though.
You are showing severe symptoms of anxiety disorder. Recommend Xanax.
Yeah, all those polls (including the Wall Street Journal) must just be f*cking up as they report the numbers
Do you always converse with yourself?
Schizoid personalities are typical of liberal thought.
List the harm although taking troops off Ossama’s tail to invade Iraq I don’t see anything Obama has done that is even close to the harm that bone head move caused.
I’m from MO, you’ll have to show me.
I don’t fall for stupid pet tricks.
I am sure others have wondered, how many of the nearly sane republicans in the district will vote for her anyway?
No thanks.
I’m not your dog or pony.
You will see soon enough.
Better than being a Magical Thinker with Cognitive Dissonance and no Creativity, an inbred Straussian Elitist worshipping the dead Gods of Chicago School Economics and more tax cuts = a perpetual motion machine!
Well, you might try clicking on the link I provided.
But let’s say you’re correct and that you’re from MO so must be shown. Yet you come here and spout fairly easily discredited talking points provided to you by Rush and Glenn and John Boehner and Mitch McConnell so I would have to question your statement that you DON’T fall for stupid pet tricks.
Oh really?
That same Sienna poll that came out in NY-23? 64% of voters who supported Scozzafava had a favorable view of President Obama.
A Gallup poll commissioned last week showed 55% of Americans trust Obama on health care reform. Just 37% of them trust the Republicans in Congress on the same issue.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/polls-and-the-public-option/
Hey, bunk, you’re kind of pushing it, don’t you think?
Now would be a good time to think about a walk or at the very least a push back from the computer table/desk/tvdinnertray.
You make a statement then refuse to provide facts to back it up. You are new here we get Status here by being able to back up our Statements.
Come back better prepared next time I’m gone folks:)
Sorry, pups. The tvtraydinner thing was wrong, bad and mean.
I apologize. And, I’ll try harder to be nice.
Promise.
The left should do this too unpopular blue dogs.
I see I’ve hit a raw nerve.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much!
Of course, corporate medicine to suppress my outrage over Oil Wars, Torture, Massive Bank Fraud, and a Health Care system corrupted by corporate greed. That is thoughtful, but no. But I will keep healthy by the laughter, induced by delusional neo-conservatives.
Thank you teabaggers, for turning a moderate R Congress Campaign into a national joke. Our Martian President, Hussein Jor-El Obama, appointed the previous Rep to Sec. of Army I think. So the President should get political credit for this off year election and Republican asshole embarrasment.
You have me confused with someone else.
I spend most of my time writing Medical Journals and doing opposition research. I already know how I see things.
Oh really? Am I that hard on you?
Am presently juggling 3 different web sites, and staying on top of 4 different threads while watching Mizzou blast Colorado
Don’t need to back up my thoughts, nobody knows them better than me.
See ya.
I actually agree with your sentiments. Good riddance to the rinos.
Right…except that we’re not inside your head (nor would we want to be).
You do oppo research – you do know the “claim, citation, evidence” method right?
State your claim, cite your source, produce your evidence.
So far, you have a lot of #1 and not much #2 or #3.
What, that’s all you whiners got?
Damn, you are all too easy.
Or have already voted for her — absentee ballots have been in the field for over a month, iirc.
You had your fifteen minutes here.
Ta!
It’s not just about their “popularity.” It’s about Blue Dogs who don’t represent their districts. Jim Cooper, of Tennessee, won’t commit to any kind of healthcare reform, even though his district overwhelmingly supports it. Same with Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas.
It’s not whether WE like them; we like very few Blue Dogs. But the Blue Dogs who aren’t representing the views of their district: those are the vulnerable ones we need to target on primary day.
And they know we’re coming. Just look at the impact challenger Joe Sestak has had on Arlen Specter’s positions since he announced his challenge.
Typical lib know nothings.
When countered with truth, you run and hide in the bushes.
Just remember: There is a new sheriff in town, and I don’t suffer fools and libs lightly.
I know liberals like I know my own children, and they are just as easy to read.
You are all so joyous while you are diddling each other into self-satisfied ecstacy. Now that you are challenged, you show your true feathers…chicken. BAAAWWWWK!
I’m going to rake some leaves.
But I’ll be watching you re probates…
You have said goodbye in one form or another for the last 100 comments.
Please go rake the leaves. And do not even begin to consider yourself the “sheriff” in this town, or you will learn swiftly that there are sheriff/mods about who will put you right where you belong for continuing to insult other commenters and members of this community.
We don’t suffer puffed-up bullies lightly, especially those who call us names and think they are suddenly in charge.
Sorry to disappoint you but your ChickenHawk call is probably more appropriate at sites that like to support wars (without actually bothering to enlist to fight).
We do get tired of tiresome trolls coming in and telling us all the nasty things we have in store for us in the future when the sun turns green and the sky starts falling.
But please, don’t let the door hit cha in the a** as you leave.
Of course, the Wing Nut sites tend to be very vicious. People here are usually nice. So you mistake easy and nice for weakness. But most of us do things, to stop the eight years of epic neo-con faliures. The basic fact is that “teabaggers” are just a corporate invention. It is the same old neo-con in a new package, paid for by K-Street Corporate lobbyists.
Nobody whines more than Glen Beck, Limbaugh, and BillO.
Unless you call truth “bullying”, then I challenge you to show me one instance of name-calling or “bullying”.
But very typical of children and liberals to go whine to their mothers.
You say you don’t suffer “puffed-up bullies”, of course unless it is a liberal doing the “puffed-up bullying”.
Let’s go with the comment that was modded, shall we?
Comment #96, by you, “Let’s not have personal insults of fellow commenters please..”
Of course, you’ve ignored every post I’ve made…so why should be this one any different.
Unlike you, when challenged I back my assertions up.
I have fought in 2 wars and run security operations in places that would make you pee your pantaloons. Now my 22 year old son is a sergeant in
101st airborne, at the ready to jump into places where they would slit your throat for liberal expression.
In most corners of the world unprotected by us, tribal authority is what rules the day. Only the plutocrats walk freely and unafraid if they will get another day.
I fear no liberal in thought or deed, as they are easily revealed in their own actions, or inactions.
Uh, you forgot to add the “boogity boogity” when trying to scare us.
I applaud your service and your son’s but there are a few of us here who are veterans and don’t necessarily scare all that easily either.
Yeah, I noticed a lot of “nice” liberals using the term “teabaggers” lately.
Of course they are the ones so familiar with the concept, and titter themselves red-faced effusions whenever they use it.
Don’t even know what could possibly have ruffled Teddy’s chicken feathers.
Maybe he took it personal.
I generally ignore remarks or observations whose foundations are built in DNC or MSNBC quicksand.
He probably mistakenly thought you were a man of your word and were leaving.
But nice to see liars continue even on small things.
And why not? It was people within that movement who used the term well before they actually found out what it really means out here on the big, bad Internet (apparently none of them could be arsed to do 15 seconds of Google research).
As for the rest, I applaud your service and your family’s service…but if you think for one moment that it gives you carte blanche to run roughshod over someone then you are in need of a basic course in manners.
Hooooaaaahhhh!
I am grateful and respectful to all veterans.
I commend you and thank you for your service.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that was directed at me and demi since you used our names in the line right before the modded portion.
And really, the best you can do is make jokes about my name? I’ve heard every joke and insult about it since I was in short pants.
We’ve had 4″ of rain in 2 days and a record rainfall for the month.
I tried but it’s just too wet still.
TEDDDDYYYY, they called me a liar….WWWAAAAAAHHHHHH….
More bogosity from MSNBC re probates.
Funny how you ‘enlightened” and “inclusive” libs call truth “running roughshod” over someone.
Do you mean “seriously have that checked”. You’ve got to be kidding me?
Yet you let “teabaggers” go?
Nice…and revealing.
Again, the *movement* selected the term. If they want to own it, and many still do judging by what the various blogs supporting the Tea Party have stated, then we use it.
Don’t like it? Tough. Next time get behind someone who looks before they leap.
drdbunk,
Trust me on this one. I am not the vasel*ne in your hairy palm.
Take it to the bank.
You’re way off-based here.
Since you are so big on affirmation, I’m sure you can provide me with the link to prove your case.
And I don’t mean Mathews, Olbermann, or that [Edited by Moderator on after…
What about the f-word, and other off-color words I’ve seen on this thread?
Explain to me the typically hypocritical policing by the editor, and a joke like “seriously have that checked” is a worthy of moderation.
Can you say pusillanimous poofery?
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Really, you didn’t understand me?
Innocence only works for young children. You have told us who you are. There’s no way you didn’t perceive what I said.
And, you’ll notice I’m able to speak to you without swearing.
No F words here.
I understand the meaning, just don’t get the inference. But then I’m not the type to use a reference as disgusting as “teabagger”.
I’m sure you are comfortable with both the expression as well as the act.
I realize you don’t get many challenges here, the home of liberal re probates and self-satisfied neo-socialists.
I don’t mind that, as I enjoy disturbing the cesspool. The stink never sticks to me for some reason, and the s will never filter out if it isn’t stirred occasionally.
All you had to do was ask.
Wait, before you automatically sign-off on the Black Vote turning out. I believe you if your paying attention and if your White your likely NOT, that we plan on holding Obama accountable.
I currently discourage Blacks from voting until we know the full “damage” of Health Care Reform. Most of the people with no insurance at Black or Brown, it won’t start until 2013 current, so I hope Alan is keeping track of how many die between now and then.
What’s happening in Upstate NY is the destruction of the last bit party of Lincoln, not the Bat-Shit, Wingnut Right that now has a firm hold on the party and is DEAD set on getting Palin on the ticket.
All I can say this will FAIL on all levels. They’ll move the Congress minority further and further RIGHT, almost right into the Atlantic Ocean.
They’ll be easy to target in National Races, why do you think the Left is wishing and almost giddy with glee that Palin could be on any Republican ticket?
If she doesn’t like what happen to her in this cycle, lol, wait until she gets a load of The Left/Mass Media vs Palin (Train Wreck) 2.0 She is not creditable and I don’t think we’ve heard the last of any investigations in Alaska either.
–This is very typical of what they do at MSNBC, and straight out of Alinsky’s playbook. I believe it would fall under rule #9, In war, the end justifies almost any means.” (Alinsky 1972: 29-30)
–It is quite telling that despite an entire web page devoted to the “Tea Party Express”, with about 30 references to the “Tea Party Movement”, you pick out a slogan about get your “tea-bags ready for those idiots in D.C.”, and use that as a basis for an argument.
–I give you credit thopugh. Your buddies snickering over at MSNBC and the ghost of Alinsky are proud of the attempt.
–It just ain’t selling here.
Gee, I’m shocked.
I’m still waiting for YOUR facts and numbers. I’ve posted multiple times showing how everything you’ve said about Obama driving away moderates is WRONG. I’ve backed my arguments up with statistics and polling data.
All I see from you is a bunch of hot air and not a lot of actual substance.
Claim, citation, evidence.
Show me your evidence. Show me your data. Otherwise, sit down and shut up.
Calling Rachel Maddow “that cute little boy on after” crosses a line of gender insults to LGBT persons that is not tolerated on this blog.
Typical…
Your “substantiation” is blown out of the water, and all you can come back with is, “I showed you mine, now you show me yours”, ending with what your “objective” site editor would call “puffed up bullying”.
Nice.
And revealing.
I don’t need to “substantiate” what I know, based on my perceptions from living in the real world, and dealing with more information in a week than your puny little brain can imput in a year.
Deal with it, or don’t, it makes no difference to me.
It is what it is, and we both know it.
THAT is your problem…so perhaps a session in therapy would help.
Right…
and “teabaggers” crosses none of your precious “lines”.
Can you say hypocrisy?
You are fooling no one, Teddy.
Right. So actually substantiating your claims is beneath you? You have made a lot of statements on htis thread about how things are in your world/mind.
One of the things looked for here is actual proof and unsubstantiated claims are not proof.
And just as you will not accept anything from MSNBC, we don’t accept anything form Rush Limbaugh, PJ Media or Fox.
Wayyy late . . .
What I mean is that it’s better for her political future to have backed off gracefully and not split the GOP vote and handed the seat to the Dems. If that had happened, she’d be toast.
There’s nothing wrong with a graceful exit at all — though the candidates who try this also have to deal with supporters who see it as abandoning the field of battle. If/when she runs for office again (this one or any other office), she’ll face the charge that she ran away when the going got tough.
They aren’t precious lines, but they are bright.
If Rachel Maddow called herself “that cute little boy on after” then we, and you, could. Just as the teabaggers called themselves that first, and we adopted their name for themselves.
That we knew the term’s other, more sexually adventurous meaning speaks to our more, um, sexually adventurous nature, I suppose.
This is, by the way, based on my perceptions of living in the real world.
How can I make this any clearer?
I can’t substantiate things I know by experience.
They are what they are.
People pay me vast amounts of money to tell them what I know.
I don’t waste my, or their time hunting for somebody else’s substantiation of what I know.
On the MSNBC/Limbaugh thing. OK whatever, no skin off my back.
Limbaugh is as much of a tool as anybody at MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, or in my hometown (St. Louis) the newspaper, Post Dispatch, or as I call it, Partisanship Distilled.
In other words – you’ve got squat except “your experience”, which is a nice little cover for anything and everything because it’s not something you can quantify.
We don’t know what you know. So for you to come here and say “I know X” without ever saying HOW you know X is a weak argument at best and empty posturing at worst.
** vast amounts of money **
heh
How much do you charge to not tell them what you know?
This was predictable. As a good Republican She felt to continue might let a Democrat win.
Good Repubicans don’t fight they cave for the party.
We will see alot more of this, as the Republicans out wit the Dems and regain power.
Yeah, letting your party get taken over by right-wing wackjob carpetbagger extremists is a sure fire route to electoral success! Quaking in our boots, we Democrats are.
Jeez, people, add it up.
The Republicans are good at hail mary around the end passes. So the passive Democrats that think setting back, and that everybody will vote for them is very foolish.