In Prop 8 news today, backers of a 2010 ballot initiative to repeal the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage failed to gather enough signatures to qualify their initiative for the ballot. In Prop 8 trial news, Judge Vaughn Walker has notified trial participants that he intends to close the evidentiary record, and seeks comments on that intention by this Friday.
First, the trial news:
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE why the evidentiary record should not be closed. Show Cause Response due by 4/16/2010. Signed by Judge Walker on April 13, 2010. (vrwlc1, COURT STAFF) (Filed on 4/13/2010)
The point of closing the evidence record, of course, would be to end the opportunity to submit any new evidence, such as the discovery materials sought by the Defendant-Intervenors from non-parties who fought Prop 8 during the election. These were the subject of last month’s hearing.
Additionally, the court filed an order earlier this week regarding new Amicus Briefs. Presumably, Judge Walker has had enough of those! While he did say (when last discussing them) that he would read them all, because the case was particularly ‘well-lawyered’ Walker expected that friends-of-the-court would have little new light to shed. But, he said, in case that new light did exist, he would read amicus briefs looking for it. But, now, he may be done with them.
Does all this activity indicate that Judge Walker is close to scheduling closing arguments in the federal case in San Francisco?
Now, the initiative news:
Backers of an initiative to repeal Proposition 8, the California ban on same-sex marriage, have failed to gather enough signatures to place it on the ballot in November.
The supporters say they will try to qualify the measure for the November 2012 election.
Gay rights activists had been split on whether to push such a measure this year or in 2012. The largest groups supported waiting for the next presidential election. Those supporting a vote this year said the division hampered their fundraising and volunteer efforts.
There has been some debate within the LGBT community about whether the gubernatorial election (2010) or the presidential election (2012) would be a better place for a repeal initiative.
Brian Leubitz touches on this at Calitics:
While this isn’t a surprise, it does end a trying divide within the LGBT community. I do not speak for the courage campaign [sic] or anybody other than myself here, but generally, I’m inclined to believe gubernatorial elections have a better electorate for our side. That is 2010 would have been better than 2008, and 2014 will be better than 2012. During off year elections, you get better educated electorates, and that correlates fairly well with those who aren’t really bothered by marriage equality. I have done some analysis looking at that, but also have spoken to a few huge voter number nerds who agree with that hypothesis. It’s still an open question, however.
That being said, time matters as well, probably even more than presidential or gubernatorial year. As more millenials spill into the voting ranks, more pro-equality votes are stacking up on our side. While 2 years won’t make a huge difference, many number nerds think it is just under 2 percent per year that the electorate moves toward equality. Obviously, that’s far from a precise number, but 4 percent would be enough to flip the Prop 8 vote around.



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Thanks for staying on top of this for us Teddy.
Teddy Thank you for all you are doing in support of Gay rights!! You do a great job!!!
Oh yeah RECOMMENDED!!
Thanks, and you are welcome!
Thanks for the update. I agree with the 2012 folks, but maybe not for their reasons.
First, I think Walker will toss prop 8 without any further effort on the part of LGBT community. Save the money.
Second, if it was on the ballot in 2010 and overturned then Walker would likely dismiss the case a s moot and I think it’s important that somebody rule this unconstitutional.
I think you’d really rather have got this in front of the Supremes before Obama’s next pick.
Boxturtle (Not that I think he’ll cave to GOP pressure or anything)
I suspect that more pro-repeal voters would show up in 2012. Unfortunately, that’s two more years to wait.
There. I’ve stated the obvious, just in case …
That’s cool, I think the ‘die-off’ and ‘new-voters’ logic overcomes the ‘less intelligent Presidential voter’ arguments, anyway. It looks like we’re gaining about 2% on this issue every year, unless there’s a ‘gay Bradley’ effect in the polls, which would be the case if respondents don’t want to sound like bigots but act out their bigotry in the privacy of the voting booth.
I’d like to see the polls at 60% before voting again, although my preference is not to ever vote again at all on civil rights. Like my favorite anti-Prop8 sign says, “When Do I Get to Vote on YOUR Marriage???”
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Teddy Partridge:
Thanx Citizen Teddy, your work coverin’ this trial and this most important human rights issue has been nuthin’ short of spectacular. My youngest is on her way to graduate school in Couples and Family Therapy (used to be “marriage” and family therapy) where she wants to leverage off the research bein’ done with children of gay parents and she followed the Prop8 trial transcript from the live bloggin from this site. She used info and secondary sources from the trial for one of her last undergrad papers last month. So thanx again from the Norske family…you get another Oakleaf Cluster for your Medal of Citizenship.
Just remember, Citizen, that even though you may see the closin’ of the transcript and the failure of the petition as setbacks, they are not…the wheels of history continue to turn in only one direction and that is toward the truth so we will have justice, this is not over by a long shot.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE STRUGGLE… THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS!!!
So glad to know about your youngest’s efforts; perhaps she’d like to write up her abstract in a Seminal diary?
And thank you for your kind words.
I don’t see the evidence-closing as a bad thing, it’s a logical next step. Walker has to put a ‘closed’ sign on the evidence box sometime in order to continue to the next step, closing arguments.
Frankly, California isn’t ready to vote on marriage equality again. We’re much to amused this year by the tidal wave of money washing over us all from eMeg Whitman’s pocketbook in her gubernatorial campaign. I don’t think there’s enough oxygen for a Repeal Prop 8 campaign this year; a YES vote in any referendum is always the tougher vote, and I don’t think our LGBT establishment has made the case for repeal this year.
Thanks, Teddy.
Needless to say, my “all-AP-stories-all-the-time” local paper does not cover these matters.
It was sad news that the ballot initiative was not done. It seemed like a certainty. While I don’t think a person’s rights should be put up for a popular vote, it would have been good to get a second chance at it.
People are still exhausted from losing the 2008 fight and, despite the LGBT community’s image as blessed with disposable income easily shunted into political campaigns, hit hard by the Great Recession. I am not sure the will or the way was there for a 2010 repeal, and a loss would be devastating.
And ‘when do I get to vote on your civil rights?’ indeed.
Thanks for the update Teddy, and as others have said thanks for following all this for all of us.
Not much coverage elsewhere, and any that is there is watered down.
I love the analysis of Judge Walker repealing 8, hence take the initiative off the table for now and wait till ’12.
Fingers crossed Judge Walker ultimately does the right thing and repeals 8.
Thanks for all you to share with us readers.