That is the great 1990s phrase made famous on Seinfeld when all the major characters spent an episode denying that George and Jerry were Gay. "Not that there’s anything wrong with that" is the phrase missing from the White House’s outrage at CBS and Ben Domenech for claiming potential SCOTUS nominee Elena Kagan was openly gay, or closeted, or something.
Here’s Howie Kurtz describing how the silliness started:
The White House ripped CBS News on Thursday for publishing an online column by a blogger who made assertions about the sexual orientation of Solicitor General Elena Kagan, widely viewed as a leading candidate for the Supreme Court.
Ben Domenech, a former Bush administration aide and Republican Senate staffer, wrote that President Obama would "please" much of his base by picking the "first openly gay justice." An administration official, who asked not to be identified discussing personal matters, said Kagan is not a lesbian.
And this is when someone from the White House needed to add "not that there’s anything wrong with that."
Here’s how New York Magazine described the White House contacts with CBS:
White House spokesman Ben LaBolt reached out to the network and said that Kagan was not gay, and asked for the post to be taken down. When CBS initially resisted, the White House upped the ante. Former White House communications guru Anita Dunn, who is consulting on the Supreme Court choice, said nastily, "The fact that they’ve chosen to become enablers of people posting lies on their site tells us where the journalistic standards of CBS are in 2010."
According to the Washington Post, LaBolt said he reached out to CBS because the blog post had "made false charges." Charges? Like they claimed Kagan committed a crime?
Well, if you "charge" that someone is openly gay and they are not, is that a "lie?" Perhaps. But someone from the White House needed to think twice before calling the statement that Elena Kagan was openly gay a "false charge." And the White House clearly neglected to add to the accusation of a "false charge" this:
"Not that there’s anything wrong with that."
See, it’s 2010, fully seventeen years since the Seinfeld episode first aired. The phrase is part of American culture now, and being gay is neither a ‘charge’ nor a ‘lie’ about which the White House needed to get upset. Or, if they were upset, or if Elena Kagan was, someone needed to leaven their upset by adding, "not that there’s anything wrong with that."
And this forced error by the White House has left them in a precarious position regarding the woman many presume to be Obama’s first choice for the Court:
This looks bad. As we pointed out earlier, the "There’s Something Gay About Elena Kagan" story line is going to be part of any nomination process involving her. The White House isn’t going to be able to stop the press from writing about it, so they shouldn’t try. They’re putting themselves in a bad position by giving this story line credit, and making their denials that she’s gay a story in itself. If Kagan isn’t gay, people will say she is anyway, but no one will be able to prove it. Republicans won’t have the guts to get up and call her gay in nominations hearings if it’s just a rumor. They’ll just go after her record and say she supports gay rights, which isn’t particularly worse than what they alleged about Sonia Sotomayor’s positions.
There’s very little more ludicrous than Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions III calling Sonia Sotomayor a racist — except possibly fellow GOP Judiciary Committee member Lindsay Graham asking Elena Kagan if she’s gay. It simply isn’t going to happen.
But now the White House has called the "charge" a "lie" and got CBS to withdraw the Ben Domenech blog post. You can bet the little kerning specialists and font-studiers and not-pimp-dressers who fancy themselves right-wing journalists are swarming over Cambridge, Massachusetts. If there’s gay in them there hills, someone will find it.
Domenech guaranteed that with his email before CBS withdrew his post from their site:
"I offer my sincere apologies to Ms. Kagan if she is offended at all by my repetition of a Harvard rumor in a speculative blog post," Domenech said. CBS initially added that statement to an editor’s note that also reported the White House denial.
In his e-mail, Domenech said that the naming of an openly gay justice would show "how far we’ve come as a society" and that this "will be an issue of political discussion, whether we like it or not."
And then what will the White House do?
It’s a little late to say "not that there’s anything wrong with that."
Isn’t it?
If she is gay, and a news outlet finds proof, the White House has basically disqualified her for the Supreme Court by making a lie part of her fundamental story (and by making it seem like being gay would somehow make her unfit for the role). The reason this is a rumor in the first place is that many members of the Harvard community who knew Kagan while she was the dean of the law school there really do believe Kagan to be gay, and to have a partner. Because of that, this story isn’t going away.
If the story isn’t going away, why did the White House blow it up into a major blog-event going into the weekend? Espcially if, as Glenn Greenwald discusses, progressive voices were already urged to pipe up this week to "dismiss" his own well-reasoned objections to Elena Kagan on civil libertarian and executive authority grounds.
This is not the kind of pushback sought for someone who isn’t a favorite on the short-list. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
LGBT Americans have every right to be concerned about the Obama White House’s response to the ‘charge’ that Elena Kagan is ‘openly gay.’ In 2010 America, that’s not a ‘charge.’ It’s neither immoral nor illegal nowadays to be openly gay. If the modification to Domenech’s post wasn’t satisfactory ("I have to correct my text here to say that Kagan is apparently still closeted — odd, because her female partner is rather well known in Harvard circles.") then it’s pretty clear we have a problem.
One of two fact patterns pertains: either Elena Kagan is gay, or she is not. If she is not, it is not a ‘charge’ to say she’s gay, but an error. If she is gay, but not openly gay, it is perhaps a ‘lie’ to say she’s openly gay, but then not a ‘lie’ to correct that statement to read that she is ‘apparently still closeted.’
Whichever fact pattern prevails in the case of Elena Kagan — either she’s gay or she’s not — someone at the White House needs to understand that in 2010 America (just like in 1993 Seinfeld NYC) this fact pattern always pertains: Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That.
Unless the Obama White House thinks otherwise?



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Thank you Suzanne!
The one time this White House takes out a big-ass club and clobbers an idiot, they jump the gun.
ugh
rec’d
yeah, the right answer, which wouldn’t have required NTTAWWT at all, is “The White House doesn’t comment on the sexual orientation of appointees.” And not to have jumped on CBS and given Domenech the publicity, which you know he’s savoring.
You know Breitbart has sent flying monkeys to Cambridge.
Yeah. You would think he would be empty by now.
I do wonder how bottomless his purse is.
But these righties on a mission seem to have unlimited access to fundage, even if they don’t dress well or groom themselves, a recurring Breitbart problem.
I wouldn’t want to be in the same county when he gets a manicure.
And they club crudely and for the wrong reasons.
I have just about given up that people in this country will ever grow up. I don’t care if someone is purple with green stripes – QUALIFIED is what’s important. Nobody should care about the rest. Just silly.
I think they’re trying to get in with the ‘serious people’ – the ones who think that clothes and lifestyle matter more than anything else.
Skip the lesbian shit on this; Kagan is NOT the SCOTUS judge I want.
Diane Wood is who I want, not Kagan. Kagan’s a Bush NSA apologist fercryingoutloud!
Teddy, support Wood! LOL! Srsly!
O fer gawds sake, Kagan is a nightmare! She’s not a Lesbian and she’s not worth supporting!
Kelly, you are absolutely right.
But this post isn’t about Kagan, it’s about the White House.
Kagan = Sunstein!
STOP The MADNESS!
There is a lot wrong with Elena Kagan. But it will be either her or Cass Sunstein on the Supreme Court, to steal any freedoms that have not been stolen. Either one is a fascist.
….marveled during hearings that Kagan had “managed to get a standing ovation from the Federalist Society.
*abandoning all hope…*
Very discouraging, and thanks much to Amy Klobuchar for getting this into the public record.
“There is a lot wrong with Elena Kagan. ”
Exactly. I was thinking that this might be the White House’s idea of how to neuter criticism from the Democratic base. Kind the Thugs did with Clarence Thomas and the porn/sex-harassment/over-sexed-black-man thing. Over-react to–or even plant–the “gay” canard, whip up the outrage, and make your neo-fascist an insta-martyr to a constituency that has every reason to reject her. Now THAT’s eleven-dimensional chess I can believe in.
Being truly egalitarian and non-biased means that what consenting adults do in their private lives is irrelevant. Even whether there is “anything wrong with it” in any particular person’s moral sense is irrelevant. Private morality is not a public or legal matter. So just because someone overinterprets shortish hair on a female and reaches a conclusion, rightly or wrongly, and just because the White House jumps all over that conclusion is no reason to cut Ms.Kagan any slack. She’s a lousey, dangerous candidate for a judgeship.
I enjoy the conspiracy theorizin’ of course. But this just looks like plain old political blundering. Of course Rahm does nothing, except cooking up conspiracies, especially with a certain website that I will not name.
I’m a great believer in Occam’s razor–take the simpler exlanation, all else being equal. It’s just that I am also a historian by training, more or less. As I read the historical record, any event that isn’t pure chance always seems to involve a conspiracy of some sort.
The fallacy in most conspiracy theories is NOT the idea that conspiracies exist. They do. It’s the idea that they WORK. Which brings us back to stupidity. Conspiring seems to blind people to reality in general and the critical facts of a situation in particular.
So most conspiracies are well and truly stupid and the people that engage in them seem to get stupider thereby. G. W. Bush was a village idiot with one of the most conspiratorial administrations in memory. He didn’t get any smarter. Obama is a very smart man who also runs one of the most conspiratorial administrations in memory. With every strategem he and Rahm cook up, he clearly gets a little dumber.
The thing is that the WH is whipping up the outrage from the wrong side. If the WH was trying to get progressives to come to Kagan’s defense when they otherwise would oppose her for her expansive views of the executive branch, you don’t do that by acting like being a lesbian is like being a criminal…why would progressives rush to defend the WH’s portrayal of lesbians as being like criminals? All the WH has done is encouraged opposition from both the left and the right.
The White House was just careless about its choice of words. It was plotting an advertizing campaign rather than engaging in honest debate. So words didn’t matter enough. It was too busy planning how it would play off one constituency against another and thereby cancel them all out.
The “Gays” are not people to our party leaders, much less intelligent, rational people. “They” are a basket of slogans that can be deployed to a focus group to offset other slogans (“Environment”, “Civil Rights”, “Peace”, “Blacks”, “Women”, “Unions”, etc). When the Party apparatchniks have trouble with one set of slogans, they neutralize them by deploying another. So you are urged to vote for a candidate who screws you on healthcare, tax breaks for the rich, and endless war because he/she is “for the Environment” or “for a Woman’s Right to Choose.”
Once you think this way, you get sloppy with details and language. I don’t think anyone in the White House thought much about the wording they used. They just concentrated on getting something out before the opportunity to whip up “Gays” and neutralize “Civil Rights” as an objection to their candidate slipped by.
We have seen this pattern over and over. Look how surprised our Democratic pols always seem to be when we actually expect them to DO something about the issues they campaign on. “Actually REFORM healthcare? END the wars? Finally STOP fussing about homosexuals in the military? You’re kidding, right? THOSE were all just slogans.”
In fact Koh should be named by this admin for the SCOTUS position.
We need a total LIB in that box, not the execrable, warrant-hating Kagan.
Sorry Tedrow. But that’s it.
Glenzilla promises us a comprehensive “why Wood” post on Monday.
Teddy, that’s some great analysis of the process that’s taken place, and the players involved.
Nicely crafted read on your part.
I’m with Kelly, too, in regards to Kagan being a fascist corportist toady and harmful to the masses and to Roe v Wade, Brown v Board of Ed, and any other civil progress the Supremes have inacted over the decades.
I could give a flying fuck about her gayness or not gayness . . . it’s her corporate fascism that frightens me.
And I agree with Frank33, the fix is in, we’ll not get any lib justices under Obama, Kelly. Sad, frightenig, yes.
But we’re not getting any liberal or progressive appointments out of THIS admin. Ever.
There’s a price to be paid for BHO being BFF with Rick Warren.
Boy it’s a good thing there are no gay Republicans or they might be fighting to get a Gay on the Court.
Funny how they tried to defend old LARRY CRAIG, of course He couldn’t have been Gay, and must have been falsly accused.
It’s also funny that the Religious right cries out against Gays, except if it’s one of their Preachers or Gay Priests. They would rather have Gay Priest rather than pedophiles.
The sanctity of Marriage means nothing when their Preachers, elected officials, and leaders use prostitutes either female or male. Old Rush gets a real rush from the boys He bangs. Funny how He is still the voice of their party.
wikipedia:
Members of the Republican Party in Congress began calling for Craig to resign, including Representative Pete Hoekstra (MI), Senator John McCain (AZ), Senator Norm Coleman (MN) and Senator John Ensign (NV). Coleman and Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) announced that they would donate campaign contributions received from Craig’s political action committee to charity.
Senate GOP leaders including Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Trent Lott (R-MS) asked Craig to “temporarily step down as the top Republican on the Veterans Affairs Committee, Appropriations Subcommittee on the Interior and Energy and Natural Resources Subcommittee on Public Lands and Forests.”
Patrick Sammon, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, issued a statement condemning the senator’s actions.
Rethugs covered Craig’s gay ass for months (and years before the bathroom stall caper). It was not until it was revealed that Craig has entered a plea of no contest (in order to make the charge go away quickly) and it was picked up by the media that Repugs attacked him. This is SOP.
You think the repubs don’t have sufficient evidence of the gayness of Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Rush Limbaugh and Charlie Crist?
As long as these guys (miraculously) continue to keep any evidence of their gay lifestyles out of the newspapers, they are safely closeted in the Party of Do As I Say – Not As I Do.
now, there are some rumors worth spreading.
(sarc)
Rove and the Bush WH were caught dead-to-rights with:
A planted fake reporter in the press room (to obfuscate any unfriendly line of questioning – as if!).
He was a gay prostitute fake reporter (“Talon News Agency”)
who advertised his services on his own website. Jeff Gannon prided himself on being a TOP. Also a military poseur. Full nude photos including full frontal nudity to display his wares.
Jeff Gannon aka Jim Guckert had entered the WH on numerous occasions without proper credentials. (Presumably to service Rove or Dubya).
Rove’s father was an out gay who had genital piercings.
Where was the media?
Asleep at the wheel.
In other words, they kept their noses out of his bedroom until he’d been convicted of a crime. Those bastards!
You forgot to add, “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
Larry Craig, while in the bathroom (very little of his own gay sex occurred outside public bathrooms) not the bedroom, spent his career nosing into my sex life. He denied gays and lesbians rights at every opportunity while living a gay sex life. He was a hypocrite through and through.
I don’t think anyone’s sex life is anyone else’s business, except for petty gossip rags about Hollywood celebrities, but when a public officeholder excoriates a sitting president for misbehaving and denies his fellow gays the rights he enjoys, the gloves are off.
“Not that there’s anything wrong with that” would have been good.
“I don’t give a damn one way or the other” would have been better.
“Why is that an issue for you?” would have been best.
it is the dont-ask-dont-tell policy for the supreme court.
not that there is anything wrong with that. heh
Muchas gracias Teddy, and AMEN.
Thanks for the redirect. They throwed us a curve ball.
A bit O/T but….
Sonoma County CA separates elderly gay couple and sells their home
I sure hope those who did this pay a heavy price for this…
Oh nahant, that is heartbreaking.
I am having trouble believing it myself… How can that kind of stuff be tolerated???
Just want to acknowledge I followed your link and read up on this. And…words cannot even begin to express…
We’ve got some major cleaning up to do in this country. (The good news: We’ve begun the process.)
Thanks for posting, even though o/t.
Thanks.. It seems a bit ironic this crap happened just before BO announces that gays/lesbians have the right to have their love ones at their bedsides while in the hospital….
I hope a time comes in this country when an individual’s orientation is considered so unremarkable that it never occurs to anyone to try to use it to discredit that person. Don’t imagine it will happen in my lifetime but maybe someday.
Or… that when someone’s orientation is brought up in an attempt to discredit that person, others don’t feel a need to come running to the rescue with claims of ‘false charges’ and ‘lies.’
Really a ridiculous, and game-changing, reaction on the part of the White House.
Remember early in 2009 when we were so relieved to have grownups back in charge? If only…
Funny that Kurtz refers to Domenech as a blogger and… a former Bush administration aide and Republican Senate staffer…
He must have forgotten about his time at WaPo.
In fairness to Kurtz, he did mention the embarrassing Domenech three-day wonder elsewhere in his article.
And I see that Arianna has given Ben a platform today to further expand his thesis:
Thanks Teddy.
Skip Kagen get Diane Wood in the running. At least there’s the possibility of reviving the old classic joke “Wood Eye”.
Oh I would LOVE to see Miss Lindsay Graham or Miss Mitch McConnell ask Elena Kagan if she’s gay! Not that there’s anything wrong with that. . .
“Well Mother pin a rose on you!”
heh heh
Mike Rogers is on the case!
Gay or not gay, she is one of the ugliest women I’ve ever seen both inside and outside. Any day now, Obama will quit playing this multidimensional chess and turn into a socialist lib. Bwahahahahahaha…….and hell will freeze over.
And I bet you are a real looker yourself. for shame! How irrelevant can you get?
Well he did say she is ugly on the inside too. She loves the Unitary Executive Theory. She loves military tribunals and the GWOT. That is anti-American.
Is her looks any different than her sexual preference? No it is not. Both shallow and laim. This works for the two corporate parties to distract with bullshit that matters not. Hence, that is why I said, she’s fugly. Because she is. Inside and out. But hey, you might as well judge me, rather than deal with the reality that it doesn’t matter whether she’s ugly or not, or gay or not, but the fact remains, she’s a conservative. Now just once, I would just love to hear from all the Obamabots that used the lame excuse of voting for him because “of his picks for SCOTUS” will be wayyyyyyyyyy to the left of the Bushie’s picks.
Her ugliness on the outside. Not sure I follow. Please elaborate.
Republicans were entirely predictable on this. The White House though was stupid, or malicious, or scheming. Scheming if this response was their way of dropping her from their shortlist. Malicious if the spokespeople were acting out on their own gay bias. Stupid if they blurted out a response before having framed the correct response. I’m guessing the third, stupid, but who knows. There are still months to go before the confirmation. The issue right now is not whether she’s right or not for the job. The issue is how badly the White House handled the situation with the public media. Kagan’s been on the shortlist before. They should have consulted with her on how best to answer the question when it would inevitably come up.
Well put. I agree. Probably hamfisted stupidness though it could be sabotage.
She is not. But she is right…wing.
So that validates the White House response on her sexual orientation?
Teddy, this was: brillant. Absolutely brillant. And still has me laughing… :)
Thank you!
Frankly, if this takes Kagan out of the running, all the better. She’s a wingnut. Still, the WH missed a golden opportunity (again) to prove what side of the homophobic divide it occupies. Gays need to stop apologizing for our homophobic president. Instead of trashing Domenech, gays should have called out the WH for it’s absurd and cowardly response. BTW, I love how this entire affair has be parsed. She not an “out” lesbian. I guess that means she’s an “in” lesbian.
I don’t think the White House missed an opportunity at all. Their reflexive and absurd reaction shows which side of the homophobic divide the president lives on.
He hates us for our freedoms, don’tcha know.
imo
this is entirely separate from her being in the running.
She isn’t on my list of acceptable nominees but the WH blew it here.
The phrase I use for people like this is ‘openly closeted.’
Carefully guarding that implausible deniability. Seems like that should make a person a better suited for the executive branch of government.
So, treating people with dignity and respect goes out the window when there’s political hay to be made?
If a “wingnut” blogger said exactly the same thing about Sotomeyer what would be your response? I suspect it would include words like “homophobe,” “bigot,” and “hateful.”
All this stuff about the conservative whisper campaign is juvenile from the left and toxic from the right. It just blows more oxygen on the flame. Maybe that’s what both sides want. Adminstration should get the story right, put it out there and stick to it. S’like frickin junior high school.
Her flip-flops on military recruiting at Harvard Law School must endear her to Obama, after his strong FISA stand and subsequent vote. Also, remember “we’ll fix it in conference” about health care reform?
So the Obama WH doesn’t want to talk about the how Kagan supports Presidential power grabs and shredding the Constitution, but instead they want to talk about how they view someone’s sexual orientation as a crime. I could care less what her sexual orientation is, but I most definitely do care how that she supports Presidents being able to unilaterally lock people up and throw away the key without them getting a trial. I’m more interested to hear her take on Presidents assassinating citizens without trial than I am interested to know who she sleeps with.
Exactly — according to Glenzilla the WH has asked its captive progressive writers to ‘rebut’ his condemnation of Kagan (as if) while their own only above-ground effort is pushback on CBS.
What’s that about, anyway? The WH has made her nomination almost impossible, while Ben Domenech seemed to make it more likely.
Fuck homophobia. Let’s talk about sexism. Ugliness on the outside. Answer please.
The angry woman that outed me nearly thirty years ago because I spurned her advances also said that it shouldn’t matter, although she knew it would. She just didn’t know that she was inadvertently doing me such a huge favor.
Check this out. Charlie Crist Satire is outrageous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyYsL2TeRQ
As the New York Magazine points out, the White House (Rahm, presumably) made another blundering tactical error in demanding that CBS pull the blog post claiming Kagan was gay. It implies that being gay is wrong or would be a disqualification. More importantly, and this is the really stupid part, the White House’s indignation feeds the rightwing machine, which will gin up any story – true or not – that has legs and which puts Obama, the Democrats or the White House in a bad light as perceived by its base.
The White House’s response should have been that neither Kagan’s nor any other candidate’s sexual orientation is relevant to his or her qualifications for the post to which the president might nominate them. Nor should it be relevant in the military or to any other employer in America.
The White House must imagine that as in Leave it to Beaver, wearing pumps and pearls to do housework and while getting ready for the children and hubby to come home for dinner is what American women do every day. (It’s not just for J. Edgar Hoover any more.) Whoever said Rahm Emanuel knows what he’s doing should be given more adult supervision.
Rahm’s vast incompetence, on display for anyone who took time to actually analyze the 2006 congressional campaign and not simply read Rahm’s press releases, has unfurled itself in entirely new ways in his new role at the WH.
I don’t think the WH needed to respond to CBS at all – I don’t think they were asked, making this an unforced error. They should have kept quiet or, if asked, responded that they had no idea ‘not that there’s anything wrong with that.’
And thanks for the laugh!
As you’ve written, by stating publically that she is not gay, the WH may have effectively taken her out of the running. She may or may not deserve to be on the list, but what a pathetic and malicious way to drop her from the list if that’s the case.
Kagan is now Solicitor General, the number three spot at the DoJ. I don’t think they were trying to trash her nomination. If they were, it would suggest a cabal inside the White House PR team that is fiercely at odds with the top dogs, an inherently unstable situation that seems unlikely.
I imagine the White House message team thought they were properly defending her from a libel, a conundrum because that characterization is the libel.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity.
Funny, but I think the entire comment makes clear I didn’t:
Rahm and Gibbs’ teams need to go back and start with, “Life is like a box of chocolates” and work there way back up as far as they can get.
I know: I was agreeing with you that a cabal is less likely than simple blundering. robspierre does have a point though: they could be both stupid and malicious…
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belly laugh :)
But always recognize that the two are not mutally exclusive.
I do not think the WH can predicate a SCOTUS nomination on either a lie or anti-gay bias. Either way, it stinks now. This does not mean Obama won’t nominate Kagan. But it certainly means he shouldn’t.
Just think what it will do for the midterms if it comes out that the Obama White House lied about a Supreme Court nominee. The Kagan rumors have been around for ages and with the WH making an affirmative factual statement regarding Kagan seems stupid – at best they’ve showed that sexual orientation should be viewed negatively as if you’re a criminal if you aren’t straight and at worst they’ve lied about the facts of a Supreme Court nominee with such a lie having huge implications for not just the Supreme Court but everything else.
Yep, being caught, open-handedly, in a “Big Lie”…
The positive: Perhaps such will help open more eyes in this country re: the corrupt, lack-of-ethics-and-integrity parties we’ve had runnin’ the show… (up until now).
Well summarized…and well written. Kudos.
That should have been the White House’s sub-lede. These guys will say or do anything, obstruct any legislation, fan any flame, bring out any tired excuse for an argument in order to freeze government. They think they’re the only legitimate team in town.
Even the Yankees understand that they have to play in a league in order to demonstrate how good they are; they don’t trash the league, they try to play better ball and promote the league, because then fans and the team alike win. But not these guys. They’ll do anything while pouting about being out of power. The more they keep it up, the longer American voters are likely to think they should be out of power.
Sounds right. The WH response then should have been that her private life is her business. Then Kagan herself should decide how she wants to frame that private consideration to the public if she wants the job.
I’m trashing the White House’s alleged competence at message management. On Kagan’s candidacy for the Sup.Ct., I agree with Greenwald: at a minimum, we need to maintain the present balance on the Court, which now hangs on Stevens.
Replacing Stevens with anyone less liberal moves the Court much farther right than that replacement might be, because many of the contentious 5-4 decisions of the last ten years will become 4-5 decisions. Those will move American law, government and civil liberties much farther right, a repositioning that would last generations. It’s the Right’s wet dream, which is why this nomination will make the Sotomayor nomination – or the nominations of Roberts, Alito or Thomas – look like a walk in the park.
Maybe the White House should have simply stated that Kagan is not “OPENLY Gay” and left it at that.
Unless she comes out before or during the hearings it’s an erroneous statement.
Apparently there is a new DADT provision for Supreme Court Justices. I guess that those chairs on the dais can get a little too close for folks like Thomas and Scalia. It might be, like cooties, contagious.
And potentially a misrepresentation, which any confirmation committee would and should have a problem with. I wonder if John Berry has had anything to say on this. He of all people should have helped.
It also should be pointed out that on the blogs that Kagan has been called a lesbian before and it was done complimentary rather than as rumor-mongering meant to be negative:
“U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan, the lesbian former Harvard Law dean…As we understand it, Kagan is out, but has not commented on her sexuality for reporters”
http://www.queerty.com/will-obama-pick-u-s-solicitor-general-elena-kagan-for-the-supreme-court-20100405/#ixzz0lTlYjW8m
Queerty doesn’t even call it a rumor but states it as a fact that Kagan is a lesbian. Also from the 12th here’s Queerty again stating it as fact that she’s lesbian:
“Conservatives are supposedly readying the launch of their attack on Solicitor General Elena Kagan, the lesbian potential Supreme Court nominee”
http://www.queerty.com/wsj-launching-assault-on-elena-kagan-even-before-american-family-assocation-20100412/#ixzz0lTmvRh1A
Going back to 2009 The Advocate reports that the rumor is that Kagan is closeted:
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/05/13/No_Out_Lesbians_on_Supreme_Court_Short_List/
I really don’t see what the WH has to gain by making an issue now out of something that has been blogged/rumored about since before Kagan became the Solicitor General. It looks like the WH is lying about a potential nominee on a matter that shouldn’t have mattered in the first place and worst of all the WH has itself defined the issue of sexual orientation as a serious matter (“false charges,” “slur”). Now on something that shouldn’t have mattered at all, the WH is potentially feeding future obstructionism because then Republicans in Congress can ask for all sorts of details because they can rightfully say that the WH has been showing to be dishonest and that their word shouldn’t be taken. I just see that there is so much to lose and so little to gain by the WH doing this – I really don’t see how the WH gains anything at all.
Just more eleventy-dimensional chess!
Or rank incompetence.
Take your pick.
I do think the difference for the WH was between queerty and CBS. Clearly they think the Solicitor General needs to be protected from blog posts reprinted on CBS.com while they are willing to let the ‘charges’ stand at queerty.
Never heard “queerty” before. Made me laugh.
Yes it does. Just stinks the way they did it.
All a distraction tactic to keep people from noticing just how far a Kagan appointment would push the court further to the corporatist “right” on everything except, perhaps, a few social issues. Though those social issues are of vital personal importance to me, still not enough for this mixed-blood lesbian to ignore her neocon stances on so many other important issues for me to support a Kagan nomination.
Absolutely. Once they can imprison olive-skinned heterosexual Muslims without charge, they can do the same to any of us–even those of us who are male, self-evidently Aryan (at least after a few seconds in even moderate sunlight), and married to one woman. Social justice is just that–social. Getting marriage equality (something this long-married man firmly advocates), more wilderness areas, or a higher minimum wage, but at the cost of surrendering our liberty and our Constitution, is getting nothing at all.
Insist on liberty and justice for all, and all will get justice. Cut a side deal, get an exception, or back a rightist judge for sake of expediency, and no one will get anything.
“Once they can imprison olive-skinned heterosexual Muslims without charge, they can do the same to any of us–even those of us who are male, self-evidently Aryan (at least after a few seconds in even moderate sunlight), and married to one woman.”
Yeah, this administration classifies PETA as a terrorist threat. Once it’s established that a President can unilaterally determine who is a terrorist and unilaterally indefinitely imprison or outright assassinate whoever the President determines, that just opens up all sorts of horrid things that can happen with this President and all future Presidents.
My guess is that if it’s Kagan, she will not get in. The rumor alone will stop all Rs from voting for her and some of the Dems may have a hard time supporting her because of the winger positions she has taken. I don’t think she’ll make it.
I think this is more of that 11-dimensional chess. Remember, the Republican senators kind of like her, or at least feel that she is one of the better nominees that they are likely to see. She brings the court right-ward on many issues important to Republicans.
Liberal Democrats and Independents not so much. By inspiring chatter among people angry about second-class citizenship, unequal rights, disrespect etc., perhaps we’ll shade out the arguments about her lack of a public record on major issues or her public record which is decidedly pro-unitary executive.
Republicans don’t have any problem with CLOSETED gays, since that is viewed as an admission of wrongness, or at least they aren’t demanding rights. This could be a genius move, unlikely, or a major gaffe, more likely. However, it may work out yet for the fascists.
Her courtroom inexperience and poor performance in front of SCOTUS as SG are enough to disqualify her, but her apologia for torture and forever-war should make progressives denounce her.
I hope this wasn’t some ham-handed WH attempt to inoculate her from progressive criticism: “See, she’s being attacked for being gay, now you must back her!” Because that is simply stupid. The progressives attacking her for her views are too smart for that. And the media is too stupid to parse that.
Greenwald makes an important point: Kagan’s criticism of Bush’s extreme legal positions was muted and several years late.
Her hiring of Goldsmith and other neocons at Harvard – to redress the balance in her “liberal” university – suggests that she is very like Obama: a serial, omnidirectional placater whose primary aim is promoting her own ambition. Principles are not water looking for a vessel to give them shape, however “pragmatically” one may go about pursuing them. They are the vessel one fills with how one pursues them. Kagan’s reputed kind of limited horizon is not one that would serve the country well on the Supreme Court. Let Obama use her exceptional talents elsewhere.
Greenwald also pointed out how Kagan literally sold out to the military recruiters – she took a supposedly principled stand against military recruiters operating on-campus unless certain things changed in the miltary, but instead all it took was 30 pieces of silver for her supposedly principled stand to evaporate. No wonder Obama likes her so much since they are birds of a feather who both claim to take principled stands to only later have it be revealed that they were just putting on a facade.
That may misunderestimate the hardball the Bush Pentagon was playing with all colleges and universities. It badly needed to recruit bodies, including officers and linguists, and needed official access to campuses in order to do that. Bush threatened to cut off all federal funding from schools that prohibited on-campus recruitment activities.
I don’t know of any institution that could readily survive that loss of revenue. Oddly, though, Harvard, with its huge endowment and famously tight and supportive alumni, would have been among those who could have waged a campaign against such a harsh over-reaction from a panicky Rumsfeld and Bush. Once the fastball was thrown at her, it’s not clear that Kagan contemplated attempting to hit it. She seems to have assumed that she couldn’t and that the umpire would call it a third strike. If so, that’s not the kind of personal or political courage that would allow her successfully to out argue the likes of Roberts, Alito, or Scalia.
I wouldn’t even call that hardball but rather should have been expected – you can’t expect to get something for nothing (in this case Harvard getting money and expecting there wouldn’t be any strings attached). Of course when you take federal funds you are giving power to the feds and Kagan could have kicked the recruiters off campus permanently (as well as getting much more control over many other areas of running the campus) by not taking money from the feds. If Kagan didn’t see it coming that there are actually strings attached to taking taxpayer money, then not only is she an idiot but also someone who would probably side with letting Wall Street get to keep taxpayer money without strings attached.
Since Obama always likes everything to be all bi-partisan and doesn’t like controversy at all, the nomination may not even happen. If the rumors keep going she will fall away.
One of the best posts I’ve seen in a while, thanks Teddy!
alrighty then, I see you df hooligans have been busy
here is a screenshot from when I went to google him early monday morning to see if he was the same facist, racist, plagiarist, shitheel we ‘haters’ got fired from WaPo in 06
. . .not that there’s anything wrong ….
jesus christ that is funny