An independent scientific effort, funded by NOAA, has discovered "shocking" amounts of oil underwater, huge plumes that range up to three miles by ten miles wide, and about 300 feet deep, within many columns of the water in the Gulf of Mexico.
Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick. The discovery is fresh evidence that the leak from the broken undersea well could be substantially worse than estimates that the government and BP have given.
Is anyone surprised that an independent investigation is the first to reveal these enormous plumes of water, probably kept from the surface by dumping chemical dispersants at the source of the oil gusher?
The plumes are depleting the oxygen dissolved in the gulf, worrying scientists, who fear that the oxygen level could eventually fall so low as to kill off much of the sea life near the plumes.
Dr. Joye said the oxygen had already dropped 30 percent near some of the plumes in the month that the broken oil well had been flowing. “If you keep those kinds of rates up, you could draw the oxygen down to very low levels that are dangerous to animals in a couple of months,” she said Saturday. “That is alarming.”
Because previous estimates of the volume of oil gushing from the wellhead are based upon study of only the surface appearance of the oilslick, this new data may help understand the vast discrepancies between daily volume:
Scientists studying video of the gushing oil well have tentatively calculated that it could be flowing at a rate of 25,000 to 80,000 barrels of oil a day. But the government, working from satellite images of the ocean surface, has calculated a flow rate of only 5,000 barrels a day.
The undersea plumes may go a long way toward explaining the discrepancy, suggesting that much of the oil emerging from the well could be lingering far below the sea surface.
The scientists involved in the Pelican mission, which is backed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the federal agency that monitors the health of the oceans, are not certain why that would be. They say they suspect the heavy use of chemical dispersants, which BP has injected directly into the stream of oil emerging from the well, may have broken the oil up into droplets too small to rise rapidly.
Perhaps it’s time to revisit the presumed safety of the dispersants:
Many scientists had hoped the dispersants would cause oil droplets to spread so widely that they would be less of a problem in any one place. If it turns out that is not happening, the strategy of using the chemicals could come under greater scrutiny. Dispersants have never been used in an oil leak of this magnitude a mile under the ocean, and their effects at such depth are largely unknown.
Of course, BP has an easy way to shut down this indepedent investigation. The company just needs to be sure the NOAA funding doesn’t get extended; the current project only lasts until tomorrow:
Dr. Joye is serving as a coordinator of the mission from her laboratory in Athens, Ga. Researchers from the University of Mississippi and the University of Southern Mississippi are aboard the boat taking samples and running instruments.
Dr. Joye said the findings about declining oxygen levels were especially worrisome, since oxygen is so slow to move from the surface of the ocean to the bottom. She suspects that oil-eating bacteria are consuming the oxygen at a feverish clip as they work to break down the undersea plumes.
While the oxygen depletion so far is not enough to kill off sea life, the possibility looms that oxygen levels could fall so low as to create large dead zones, especially at the seafloor. “That’s the big worry,” said Ray Highsmith, head of the Mississippi center that sponsored the mission, known as the National Institute for Undersea Science and Technology.
The Pelican mission is due to end Sunday, but the scientists are seeking federal support to resume it soon.
“This is a new type of event, and it’s critically important that we really understand it, because of the incredible number of oil platforms not only in the Gulf of Mexico but all over the world now,” Dr. Highsmith said. “We need to know what these events are like, and what their outcomes can be, and what can be done to deal with the next one.”
It seems like the dispersants may have accomplished one possible objective: keeping the oil out of public view, below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico. At least until now. And perhaps the project that revealed that discovery will end tomorrow.




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This event is staggering in scope. Just hard to believe, Teddy. One thing I’ve not seen covered at all is the effect of the fumes on humans in the gulf.
Very discouraging news. Thank you Teddy for writing this up.
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thank you
The argument against the higher estimates of volume has been, “but we’re measuring the surface spill from satellites!” Together with the video of the gusher, this study destroys those lower estimates.
Oh, I think the Lt Guv of one of the Gulf Coast states said it’s like smelling your neighbor’s gasoline lawnmower, or something. But then he admitted he was trying to encourage tourists by saying it wasn’t that bad.
I recall reading in Riki Ott’s book about Valdez that the fumes are incredibly toxic to children and other living things.
The government refuses to be honest about the extent of this spill.
It will blow up in their face. They can’t hide this forever. And, the damage they are doing with potentially killing off the bottom line of the food chain with their dispersents will haunt all of us, if not destroy us.
Let’s see:
200,000 gallons plus per day (conservatively) on the surface would mean…
Yeah, there’s oil under the surface. BP and Transocean and Halliburton and Cheney were counting on it.
Thank you, Teddy.
The people in charge of fixing this have not been facing the facts. I hope this helps.
Perhaps we need to talk constructively with the Russians about their five *!* successes with nuclear warheads to stop undersea oil gushers.
Or something.
There’s no proof that Lt. Gov wasn’t sniffing lawn mowers.
It’s interesting that a few days ago, there were reports of scientists speculating that if the estimates of flow were low, the oil had to be going somewhere, and maybe it was collecting in plumes below the surface — and sure enough, some scientists were out there checking.
And yet BP, under Coast Guard supervision has been sending subs down there every day and didn’t say boo, they test dispersants underwater a couple of times, and didn’t say boo. And EPA signed off on BP’s “tests” and never said boo. The media should have a few questions to be asking everyone about why no one knew about such enormous plumes.
OK, physical evidence is what was needed. Dark Oil has been found. We need a viable volume or mass estimate. Let’s look at this:
300 feet is back-of-the-envelope about 5% of a mile, maybe 7%. If you look at surface area alone this “enormous” plume is 30 square miles wide underwater in a spill that on the surface is currently occupying thousands of square miles. So volume and number of plumes are the key: call it 1/20th of a mile thick and this largest-size plume is 1.5 cubic miles of oil. The question really is: “how many plumes like this”? If there is 1 plume like then things are bad, if there are hundreds, the Gulf is in for a truly terrible disaster.
Again, we need more independent confirmation – the White House basically needs to compel BP to cooperate completely with any observing teams that wish to do measurements.
I also remain skeptical about the single measurement made against a single video that could “prove” a leak going at “25,000 – 80,000 barrels per day”. For one thing, the range there is enormous and implies total uncertainty in the measurement. For another thing, the measurement has not been made on site over a period of a day or days against video, it was taken against one very brief video record. It’s not clear how much of what was gushing out of the pipe in that video record was oil and what was methane or other non-oil constituents.
BP really should be compelled to open up its Houston video site to every qualified measurement team that has interest.
We’ve only seen a specific mention in the article of one large plume.
This is what it comes down to:
BP long ago forfeited its right to “resist entreaties”. If it is remotely necessary, scientific and related personnel in measurement teams should be escorted to the leak site and into BP’s Houston center by armed FBI officers with warrants guaranteeing them immediate access to any resource BP has to concretely measure this spill rate.
Yes, this routine of allowing BP to decide who gets to know what, how and when doesn’t cut it.
Wait a minute Teddy! The Commander-in-Chief himself had this to say on the subject and he contradicts you:
Thanks to Debbierlus for this catch and for her diary up right now on this subject.
There’s no contradiction I can see.
We need an entirely new set of eyes on the overall problem, operating above BP. BP might be ‘responsible’ for this problem and the cleanup, but they aren’t doing very well at solving it.
Or even telling the truth about it.
People still can’t see whats happening even while shown it daily.
BP has not been trying to stop the leak, but find a way to capture that oil.
They have made no attempt to crush the pipe and shut off the flow, or any attempt to put a plug in it.
All their attempts have been with the top hat, the baby top hat, and now the insertion pipe to catch the oil not stop the leak.
They could have crushed that pipe the day after it started leaking, but then they couldn’t get at the oil then. So they were content to let it leak until they figured out a way to catch the oil.
Our ignorant Government from the top down hasn’t been able to see what their doing, and has gone along with what BP wanted to do.
Our Government is actually helping them not fix the leak by spraying dispersants for them, and trying to help clean up the oil, and protecting our shores.
Until we admit that we have a Government of Boobs, things like this will continue to happen.
Oil clouding up your rosy colored glasses?
Is there anybody who wants to explain how this came to be? This is the saddest fucking thing I can remember in my lifetime. I mean that fucking humans want to kill each other is bad enough, but why do they have to kill every other fucking thing? I’m so fucking speechless and amazed and THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE OF THE GULF NATIONS DESERVE AN APOLOGY FROM OUR OIL COMPANIES AND OUR GOVERNMENT AND OUR MEDIA. JANE: MAKE THIS APOLOGY HAPPEN. WE MUST LEARN FROM THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
***MODNOTE: please do not type in all caps — it is hard to read ***
I’m closed to taking that as a slight. Please avoid stepping on my words. That is far worse than using caps. There is an oil plume the size of San Francisco in the Gulf and you are scolding me about caps. WTF? So lame.
Agreed eblair. One of the saddest things to come from this debacle is that public opinion polls taken after massive publicity of the horrific effects of the oil damage, after pictures showing dead sealife, indicate that Americans still favor off shore drilling (I believe the margin is something like 46% to 41%. True, there are more people now against off shore drilling, but most people still think it’s fine and dandy!
Have we become “good Germans”?
Riiiiight…
The moderator for some time has been mixing his own pro Obama views with his role here at Firedoglake: that of a moderator. I too see nothing wrong with the post that aroused Jason’s ire.
A few days ago, Carolyn Mosley Braun, one of the most disgusting individuals to ever serve in the Senate, came here to endorse a candidate in North Carolina (who finished third by the way).
I wrote some pointed comments to her diary (all quotes from Wikipedia) showing that she had been accused of corruption and coddling human rights abusers in Africa. Shortly after, when I attempted to post some more comments, a screen appeared (never saw one like it here before) saying something like, blocked by the moderator.
Note too that there were many other very pointed remarks from other responders about Braun and her shortcomings. Jason has an agenda here and it often shows in his moderator actions unfortunately.
Interesting that the moderator’s complaint begins ALL IN CAPS and in bold type to boot! Why’s that Jason?
***as moderator***
all modnotes are the same style with modnote in all caps to distinguish it from the original comment
We have to hold people accountable NOW. And apology is called for. The oil companies: GUILTY; the government: GUILTY; the media: GUILTY. The first two are obvious. As for the third, if the MSM is not capable of informing the general public of the technological risks that include HUMUNGOUS plumes of oil, then what the fuck exactly are they informing the public about. I’m dead serious. It is time for these three to take responsibility. MOST AMERICANS NEED TO SEE OTHER AMERICANS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS!!!!!!!!! Seventeen year old kids in Montana are not responsible. The oil company executives, the three branches of governement, and the MSM (that is ubiquitous in our lives but mostly useless) are responsible. Seventeen year old kids in Montana are not responsible. HOUSTON, WASHINGTON, NEW YORK: GUILTY.
~~~ModNote: Once again, for readability, please refrain from using all-caps. Thanks.~~~
wow. thanks Teddy
incidentally, not the first time NOAA has posed an inconvenient truth
BP Determined To Attack U.S.
Thanks for that clarification Suzanne but it does appear odd doesn’t it that a fairly lengthy post by Eblair, not all of it which is in caps, gets criticized this way by the moderator? Who other than he has any objections to that post?
I’ve noticed here that since the oil spill that any diary or commentator who links the spill to the Obama administration or points to the shortcomings of the Obama administration’s oversight of the oil industry (like myself and Jacob Freeze) gets a very cold treatment here. It seems to be fine to point fingers at BP but not at the administration. Why is that Suzanne?
Free speech is a precondition of the highest rationality. To impede it is to oppose everything that is best in us. I’ve been in a bad mood all day. If you want to make an issue my occasional use of caps (maybe 0.5% of my words on FDL have been in CAPS), we can make an issue of it. It will be interesting to see how far you want to go with it. But we got lots of time. Do you have any idea how obnoxious and heavy handed what you are doing is? Do you really think I am such a child that I need to be scolded as though I had gotten half of my spelling test wrong? I’m talking about something serious and you are in a PETTY and CHILDISH and RUDE way bracketing it. The mod notes are the first thing one sees in a post. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEASE. So why do you do it if you are aware of it? To belittle someone for speaking their mind. All interesting speech is going to be unexpected and challenging. EDITORS AND NOW MODS ARE DOING A GREAT DISSERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY WITH THEIR STUPID ************ANTI DEMOCRACTIC******************CONTROL OF DEBATE. THERE. SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. I’VE SET A PERSONAL RECORD FOR CAPS BECAUSE YOU WERE SO RUDE AND…. I don’t want to say anymore.
I think, as does Eblair apparently,that the moderator is less interested in the caps “rule” than Eblair’s message: especially the point that our government shares a lot of blame.
Where were you Mr. Moderator when I was personally attacked in this fashion just recently after writing a diary called “I need a Freakin Job” here in this fashion:
You said NOTHING to Macaquerman about this blatant sexist comment, a comment that most people would label as one from a sicko. I guess caps cause you to go into a frenzy but personal attacks don’t?
Wait a second – was this comment a big block-quote from wiki? A comment containing a word commonly used as a derogation against people of African descent? Has ‘gg’ right in the middle?
You might want to include that detail. I read that comment.
Anyway Teddy, thanks for bring this horrifying detail to light here.
No, it was not a blockquote from wiki. The text is exactly as given since I copied it word for word from Macaquerman’s written post. I have no idea what *g* *g* stands for. You can have a look yourself since I provided the link.
I just put *g* *g* into a google search. The first article that popped up indicates a reference to the G-Spot, meaning an area of the vagina.
So his post is even more sexist and sick than I had imagined, especially coupled with Macaquerman’s “sit on my lap” bit.
So again, Mr. or Mrs. Moderator, where were you and what have you done about this? This goes beyond mere capitalization.
Read my #31 again, carefully this time. It refers to the Braun comment that you just mentioned, in #23. Did you even read the quoted material before you posted it?
Again, a comment containing a word commonly used as a derogation against people of African descent? Has ‘gg’ right in the middle?
Sorry about this, Teddy. When fflambeau reads his old comment about Braun from a few days ago, I feel certain he will desist.
Re:Obama. His support for offshore drilling prior to the “spill” is just one more example of how poorly he understands so many issues of importance to effecting real change in this country. He blissfully headed downstream with no in depth understanding of the environmental implications of oil drilling offshore. Just like he is doing with nuclear energy. He clearly does not have the judgement to lead us at this critical juncture in American history. All of this happening in spite of his opportunity for a year and a half to change the way things are done at Interior. He changed nothing and allowed the same corporate interests to capture the regulatory process. We should probably not be too surprised here as he has manifested the same flawed understanding of how ignoring the torture program and 4th amendment violations will bring down the power of the Constitution. Some argue that he is a genious, it looks to me like he is just as much a frick-up as Jr. was.
It would really help, Newtonusr, if you actually quoted what you are talking about and provided a link.
The post I made referring to Braun does indeed have very lengthy quotations from Wikipedia. Here is the entire post that I wrote and the entries from Wikipedia which can be found here:
I’ve attempted to put up two posts here (both taken down) that draw on Braun’s political record to show:
1) she was no progressive as a senator. She voted for NAFTA and voted to tighten product liability lawsuits and in favor of a balanced budget amendment.
From Wikipedia:
Despite her reputation as a liberal, Moseley Braun possessed something of a centrist record on economic issues. She voted for the 1993 budget package and against the welfare reform laws passed in 1996, but on many other matters she was more conservative. Moseley Braun voted in favor of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and lawsuit reform measures like the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act (she was also among the minority of Democrats to support the even more controversial Common Sense Product Liability and Legal Reform Act of 1995). She also voted contrary to the interests of the more populist wing of the party by voting for the Freedom to Farm Act and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Like her Illinois colleague, fellow Democrat Paul Simon, she voted in favor of a Balanced Budget Amendment to the United States Constitution and also to place a nuclear dump in Nevada, a move strongly opposed by many Democrats, especially current Majority Leader Harry Reid.
2) she had questions of political corruption swirling around her. Again from Wikipedia:
Moseley Braun was the subject of a 1993 Federal Elections Commission investigation over $249,000 in unaccounted-for campaign funds. The agency found some small violations, but took no action against Moseley Braun, citing a lack of resources. Moseley Braun only admitted to bookkeeping errors. The Justice Department turned down two requests for investigations from the IRS[3].
In 1996, Moseley Braun made a private trip to Nigeria, where she met with dictator Sani Abacha. Despite U.S. sanctions against that country, due to Abacha’s actions, the Senator did not notify, nor register her trip with, the State Department. She subsequently defended Abacha’s human rights records in Congress.[4] Her former fiancé Kgosie Matthews, who also served on her campaign staff (in violation of U.S. immigration regulations[5]), had been a lobbyist for the Nigerian government; Matthews would later leave the country.
In 1998, after George Will wrote a column reviewing the allegations of corruption against her,[6] Moseley Braun responded to Will’s comments, saying that “I think because he couldn’t say nigger, he said corrupt,”[7] She also compared Will to a Ku Klux Klansman, saying “I mean this very sincerely from the bottom of my heart: He can take his hood and put it back on again, as far as I’m concerned.”[8] Later, Moseley Braun apologized for her remarks.[7]
So, the word that you seem to attribute to me Newtonusr, (the one with N in it) was used by Braun and quoted by Wikipedia. Braun, as Wikipedia notes, subsequently apologized for her remark.
So, I had absolutely nothing to do in using that word.
You also, Newtonusr, seem to be silent on the “sit in my lap” comment, as has been the moderator.
Not just that, but he is paying a calamitous political price for what looks like policy ignorance. He can say all he likes that he believes in a policy, but doing so at his own political peril? Every time he opens his mouth, he gets punched not just by the Republicans he so hopes to coddle, but also by foreseeable circumstances.
If this is “The Chicago Way”, it’s a miracle that city is still standing.
I have attempted to post a reply to Newtownusr’s #36 where he attributes bad intent to me. The quotation in question is where Mosley Braun used the N word (not me) and was in my comment a block quote from Wikipedia. Braun, not me, ended up apologizing for the use of that word.
Odd that Newtonusr can seem certain that I will desist from answering him, for when I do, the reply doesn’t enter into this dialogue.
What the Hell are you talking about? I just read your reply. #38.
And I attributed that to wiki, not to you. But with that word encased in the blockquote, it’s easy to understand why it might not pass muster right away. And yet, I read it days ago.
Interesting Newtonusr that you rush to defend the Obama administration and you condemn me for doing something, not clear what since you didn’t say it.
Please have a look at #38 and see what I mean. You wrote:
Not so. First off, it’s she, not he which makes the “sit in my lap” statement doubly offensive. Secondly, the word (N word) that you want to attribute to me came out of Braun’s mouth as quoted by Wikipedia. It was she, not me, who had to apologize. She was gone after one term as a senator from the very corrupt state of Illinois, and for good reason.
Read my #42. You are the person who said that when I read my old comment, “I will desist”. You clearly imply I had said something improper there! Not so, my friend. And perhaps that’s why you provided no link and no quotation of what was said as I have?
Ma’am, read before you type. #41.
Where have I defended Obama? He isn’t Cheney-evil (ok, if you want to call that a defense, go right ahead), but he is a terrible President and has become a doofus on the political side.
I bet wrong. Sue me.
There you go again, “read before you type”.
1. You made a comment in #36 indicating I had done something improper. Why dodge it. Why not apologize and admit you were clueless as shown by the posts above?
2. You also are dodging my original complaint about “sit in my lap”. Why’s that?
3. Where do you defend Obama? How about here:
I suspect that you have multiple names here and that another one of them is Macaquerman.
Sue you?
No need, you’ve been exposed as an idiot and as someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. That will suffice.
First, who am I to judge right and wrong?
I indicated that your Braun comment contained a word that was likely to give the moderator pause, but I also said that I read your comment. I read your comment.
So you flame the mod for, what? Being careful with a loaded word? And again, I read your comment, in the clear, that day…
Second, I don’t know about the ‘lap’ comment, I have no idea what you are talking about, and because we are adults I can say, I do not care. If you are determined to be offended, be my guest.
Third, if “the Republicans he so hopes to coddle” is a defense of Obama, then I need to sign up for his Senior staff. I could get rich kicking his butt that way.
LOL!
Mac, are you around?
We have been outed! Dude, I need some backup!
Dude, you still don’t get it.
The N word was originally used by Caroline Mosley Braun. Not by me. It was reported by Wikipedia, not me. I quoted Wikipedia in two large block quotes both about Braun. They were in quotation marks. They were linked. To anyone with a brain, that should mean that they are not mine.
It is not “my Braun comment” and anyone who reads the huge block quote upstream will immediately realize that. But not you.
The “sit in my lap” quotation that you seem to know nothing about is clearly covered in posts above too. It is quoted in its entirety and a link is provided: just as with the Braun matter that you are so oblivious to. It’s one of the reasons (the other being censorship here by the moderator) that I am mildly annoyed. Since you are taking part in this discussion, don’t you have some sort of responsibility to see what is being discussed?
I think your comment above about Obama stands on its own. It’s actually the kind of thing said by people in administration: he was thrust into power in bad times, and every time he opens his mouth, Republicans criticize him. That is an Obama bot position but other people here can judge it for what it is.
Now, I’m walking away from this “discussion” with you since it is going no where. Good luck to you.
Teddy, once again, I am sorry for what has happened to the bottom of your fine report.
*walks away*
This is by far the stupidest bunch of comments I’ve ever read at FDL.
I won’t bother writing up important news anymore, knowing this kind of thing can happen nowadays because of idiotic namecalling, bringing other threads into current threads, insults and general stupidity.
It’s embarrassing to even have my name atop this post.
What a waste of energy. This news deserves to be front-paged tomorrow, but fflambeau and eblair have ensured it won’t be.
I wonder what their real agenda was, making sure FDL readers didn’t see this important news and discuss it.
I cannot speak for Eblair but I think that there are some serious, serious things that have happened here and unfortunately your diary suffered as a result of them. It was sidetracked, in a sense, but not by me for an evil purpose. I was defending myself against malicious and false claims.
Let’s look at what happened above.
First there was an attempt by a misguided “moderator” to censure political views under the very transparent guise of a rule regarding caps. That was complete nonsense. No one but the moderator objected to that person’s limited use of caps. What the moderator really didn’t like was that Eblair was not only blaming BP but our government for the disaster. I’ve noticed a trend here at FDL that this seems to be the official position: you can attack BP but not the Obama administration’s failings that led to offshore drilling nor their inadequate response (like Salazar handing out more waivers for drilling).
The second thing that happened was an attempt by Newtownusr to twist and distort statements I had made in the past. These in fact were about a totally unrelated subject (comments I had made about former Sen. Braun). When confronted with irrefutable evidence (the original posts) that he was making things up out of air, Newtownusr dodged, hemmed and hawed. When asked to provide a link to what he objected to, he could not.
I have seen this kind of activity before at a site I will call the “Orange site”. What happened frequently there was that vocal critics of the Obama administration found themselves being hounded mercilessly by a certain group of people, people who could find no wrong with the current administration. I suspected then (and do now) that certain of these posters (there and here) were/are on the staffs of the administration and that this was their job: to not only monitor the web but to make sure their line got out.
Surprising? Hardly, since we now know authoritatively that our government in the past has planted stories, pushed certain journalists, and even “taken them over”. Why should the internet be any different than the written press?
So what has been happening here Teddy in a sense is worse than the oil spill. It is an attack on those who use words to criticize those in power.
Teddy as a regular reader when I see a pissing match with two names drowning out rational conversation, I skip over them till it’s over.
Thanks for transmitting the gulf of understanding between what is and what our grasp of reality is.
the backstage crew at FDL rocks ! thank you
And yet, NOAA is part of the government, and comes under the executive branch. I guess they didn’t get the memo.
Obama doesn’t need to understand. He needs to only listen and obey.
The Obama Paradox: When a man’s livelihood (or his life) depends on his lack of understanding – he assuredly will not understand.
Like Bush, Obama is owned by Big Oil, Big Pharma, AHIP, The MIC…
This whole thing is making me sick. Physically, emotionally ill.
I owe you a Starbucks.
Brewing one as we speak!
Oil spill imperils an unseen world at the bottom of the gulf
I’m really worried about the effect of the oil and the dispersant (Corexit 9500 and Corexit EC9527A, are also known as deodorized kerosene) on the food chain, as well as the lowering oxygen levels (Oxygen levels undersea tested – O2 levels in some areas have dropped 30 per cent).
OK Mr. President, federalize the assessment and response in the sea, get it out of the hands of these fools! Way past time for action! It is after all a federal lease, how dare BP reject proper assessment of the entire scope of the problem!
A few links to back up your idea and you have a diary:) I like it.
With this new information we need numbers for how much Algae we lose they breath the CO2 and prevent global warming.
Yes, Hubris is like that.
Corexit’s probably a detergent. A hydrocarbon with hydrophobic (water hating, oil loving) and hydrophobic (water loving, oil hating) ends.
I don’t believe Corexit is just simple “deodorized” kerosene (a C8 to C10) hydrocarbon. It may have a kerosene carrier, but the active ingredient has to be a detergent.
The evil part or Corexit is in the nature of the hydrocarbon chain. To get a mobile non sticky heavy (molecular weight), I’d believe the hydrocarbon is a ring, an aromatic hydrocarbon in the benzine (single ring)or naphthalene (double ring) families.
All aromatic hydrocarbons are carcinogens and poisons.
Nearly all of us are armchair experts on this matter, but even WE knew that putting dispersants in the water at the source is like giving blood thinners to a hemophiliac who is profusely bleeding.
They did it to hide the evidence, period. Instead of letting the oil “scab over” and float to the top, so to speak, they (the oil industry) wanted it out of sight and out of mind.
And we know the dispersed oil is killing all sea life that contacts it. It will continue to kill.
Dammitall, the executives of this miserable, criminal corporation need to be thrown in jail now for crimes against nature.
It should be clear by now that Washington, as much as BP, has no interest in investigating or disclosing the nature, extent and causes of this enormous ecological disaster. They are both protecting their own, whether it be their campaign treasuries, the box seats and hookers from favorite lobbyists, their tax breaks and statutory liability limits, or their leases and preferential White House, State Dept. and DoD access.
Those two sets of players want as little as possible to change as a result of this disaster. The Chamber of Commerce, as if it were Renfield guarding his master, wants the same. There but for the grace of the godless and all that. Everybody else wants the exact opposite.
Push and challenge, critique, call and voice your concerns, because getting the Beltway to notice them is pushing a rope. Getting BP to acknowledge its missteps may be as hard as getting Dick Cheney to reconsider his fondness for torture.
One thing that the “drill baby drill” crowd don’t understand is what happens to the oil after they get it out of the ground. It is not “ours” it belongs to the oil companies. The oil goes directly on the international market. All we get is some piddling royalties. The rest goes to the oil companies that are moving out of the US as fast as they can.
The whole idea of a corporation is an abomination. Worse, the idea that a corporation is a person is funny farm reasoning.
I don’t have a problem with the idea of making a profit, but not at the expense of every other goal.
The bluefish lie dead in the ocean
The codfish lie dead in the sea
They all died from water pollution
Caused by the oil company.
Don’t swim. Don’t fish
Remember the blue fish and the cod
It’s not your sea
BP leased it from God.
Enjoy.
At what point do we see the administration put together a fact finding team to evaluate the full extent of this disaster. How is it that BP is able to control any of this? If the spill is as bad as it looks where are the massive die offs of fish and mammals? Are the skimmers trying to collect oil or are they collecting dead fish? I read that the site of the Oil Disaster is inhabited by Sperm Whales. Who’s watching them? I would think that the Sea Shepards should jump on this one. They actually have uncovered some interesting facts.
http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100510-1.html
This disaster typifies everything wrong with our government. Can’t wait to hear how after Salizar canceled any new permits 5 new permits were issued. I think we’re all way behind the curb and the Corporations are in total control.
The moderation last night on this thread was childish, absurd and antidemocratic. FDL has a great community but I’m not welcome to speak my mind, so rather than have my most passionate comments tampered with and removed, I am going to participate elsewhere. Keep up the good fight, but avoid people who like to control the microphone be they Bill O’Reilly or self-described “progressives”.
Don’t. Feed. ‘Em.
Don’t. Feed. them.
And thanks for your update, appreciate it.
If anyone’s around still on this, how does the math work for cubic volume?
If I take 3 miles x 10 miles = 30 Sq. miles of underwater plume, how does one factor in 300 feet deep of volume to get total cubic feet or miles for VOLUME COVERED by this plume?
Cuz MY math is telling me there’s a whole lot more cubic phreakin miles in those volumes . . . than was added up avove in SF’s comment . . . ??? And I KNOW he’s math proficient . . . what am I missing?
One sq mile is 27,878,400 sq feet!!!! Multiply that by 30 sq miles . . . and then by 300 foot depth? I’m getting 9,000 cubic miles equivalent volume . . . . but that can’t be right . . . my calculator can’t extend 30 sq miles to sq feet, or I’d multiply that out by 300 feet deep to get cubic FEET volume . . . . lil geek help here?
The chemical make up of Corexit and another LESS harmful and more effective product were thoroughly detailed in a post/comments at Oil Drum dot com, and I THOUGHT, by Seymour in one of HIS posts here . . . should be an easy search . . . .
Holy BP Shit, People, This Is A LOT cubic feet of oil area!!!!
And I can’t even figure out 14 place number of GALLONS OF OIL by volume!!!
This can’t be right, can it? Plumes 3 miles by 10 miles 300 feet deep in volume?
That depth thing has to be wrong . . . it must be the depth where the plume is AT?
But that plume STILL has to have a depth of volume to it.
If one accepts 25K barrells daily gushing, at roughly a million gallons daily gushing, it’s 27 Million gallons gushed out from day one to today.
That’s a lot of oil . . . how does that translate to length, width and depth of a plume’s potential volume?
No links!
Just the fact that I used to own an Oilfield Supply that sold everything needed to drill Oil and Gas wells.
Was a member of the oil and Gas association, a Distributor for Haliburton, and new many of the people in the industry.
What better way to know what their up to than having been in their business.
That doesn’t need links.
Great diary, Teddie. Please don’t be deterred by cranky commenters with jizz, snot and cocoa puffs all over the keyboard, making their caps key stick.
Hi Teddy,
Please keep writing. I agree about this dismal, unfiredoglakelike thread. But I read your story on this oil plume, rather than another such story I’d seen this morning, just because it was YOURS.
In other words, I have always found your work worthwhile, and trust it and you.
Haven’t connected to the link yet, but title is fan-fucking-tastic and hilarious.
Thanks!
Hey, green, that means a lot. Thank you very much.
I am feeling better today after reading (some of) the morning comments.
Glad you decided to read the post!
Regarding my #77, #78, #79, has anyone figured out the math on how much volume of oil is contained in the plumes as described as 3 miles wide, 10 miles long and some 300 feet deep (I know, density of the oil is part of the equation and that’s missing, I guess?)?
Because at 25K barrells a day at a million barrels daily for 26 daze that’s 26 million gallons gushed out to SOMEwhere. Not to mention how much GAS has come out with that volume of oil . . .
Yes, size matters, it drives the damage being done, which has to come to light of the public given the bullshit we’re fed by the oil industry and our leaders (Obama Admin).
important source of info. thanks for the link.
I don’t quite understand the deference paid to this Teddy character. That post #52 was ridiculous and paranoid. What a fool.
And yet, you have proven the point of #52 again.