At the national conference of NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) here at the Governor Hotel, in Portland Oregon, our own Michael Whitney is on a panel this morning to talk about the marijuana legalization campaign.
Allen St Pierre Executive Director, NORML, is moderating. Also on the panel are Neill Franklin of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition; David Nott, Executive Directort of the Reason Foundation; and Craig Reinarman, PhD, University of California/Santa Cruz.
I’ll live blog the panel starting at 10am pacific time.
Jane Hamsher and I are selling the wonderful new Just Say Now t-shirts, some featuring the wonderfully soft hemp/cotton blend. We’re gathering signatures, engaging people in the campaign, and premiering the great Just Say Now products.
Congressman Earl Blumenauer is now keynoting up in the main hall, talking about how marijuana legalization and industrial hemp farming can be issues that bridge the gap between the mythology of left and right.
He points out that a constructive conversation about decriminalizing marijuana engages both Barney Frank and Ron Paul.
Panel beginning now.
St Pierre: 800,000 Americans will be arrested this year for marijuana crimes. Yet there are 2400 medical dispensaries. There is a plurality not a majority for legalization.
Introduces Michael of FDL, new player introduced into the legalization effort because our members voted to work on this campaign. Talks about the Arkansas recruitment effort of Bill Halter — calls FDL "fleet of foot" and "unwedded to a top-down membership model."
Introduces "Reason" as one of the best reads in the United States, where thinkers write.
Neill Franklin, new director of LEAP, one of the most important law enforcement organizations involved in law reform. Very importnat to have trustworthy allies in the law enforcement community.
Craig Reinarman, internationally recognized researcher who keeps good track of the opposition to ending prohibition.
This is a bridge period between medicalization and legalization.
Reinarman: Want to talk about marijuana madness: not the prohibition, the other kind. The arguments that marijuana causes psychosis, being deployed in the anti-prop 19 campaign in California. I suggest that the link is very tenuous; and that we need to take the argument very seriously. This is the latest scare tactic being deployed by folks against us. The electorate is fearful and prone to scapegoating: not just being used in the referendum, but used in the culture wars too.
I was dismissive, as a student of drug scare, I thought this was silly. British colonial overlords worried in India that hemp use was filling asylums; turned out not to be true. reagan drug czar claimed mj made you gay. 200 times the psychoactive dose on monkeys causes brain damage; they had to raise the dose so high in order to "prove" their case.
I’m a deconstructor of drug war narratives: these are serious scientists this time, not ideologues. The Drug Control Industrial Complex is using this, and the science is not easy to dismiss. We need to address this.
The studies suggest this is not nothing; if we dismiss this out of hand, we risk being like the other side. More is required of us, we need to take their studies seriously.
Their studies show a correlation, not a causation. Dutch study of 4,170 males; 7 needed treated. If you double the risk, it goes to 14 who show psychosis. Which is defined differently, you just had to say yes to: "Hearing voices that other people do not hear?" Does this mean the fifty million Americans who say they are born again and have a personal relationship and talk with God are psychotic? No.
"Feeling that other people can’t be trusted?" Think of the huge number of snitches out there. Think of Wall Street in charge of our pensions. Which is a sign of error: trusting or not trusting?
"Having ideas or beliefs not shared by others?" This defines all great thinkers or innovators in human history.
One study found 20% among mj users; 10% among non-mj users. Huge variance depending on definition of pychosis and use.
Use itself had wide variations: casual, daily, when you were 18, now?
The studies did not control for any of the known possible confounders of psychosis.
As a simple sociologist: mj has gone from 5% in 1960 to 50% a half century later, yet we don’t see evidence of huge intake for psychosis.
Yes, heavy use too young can affect school performance and the developing brain. Those prone to mental illness
[Note: you can see a live video at the top of the page now]
"This is pharmacological bigotry and it’s time to end it!"
Now up: David Nott of Reason. Intro: "there’s a hipness to their wonkness, a marriage of thoughtfulness and the free market"
Nott: we have been arguing for legalization for 40 years. But now we are competing with many other huge issues. Let me talk about what I see as the puzzles in the debate right now.
New study now: what are parents afraid of? Terrorists, kidnapping, drugs. This is what they fear for their kids. What are kids’ actual risk? Drowning, suicide, homicide by a known person. Yet these are eclipsed, thanks to efforts in the 1980s.
How can we change this? At a conference at AEI, conservative think tank: look at costs, look at benefits, it’s a total failure. Rand Beers (architect of Plan Colombia): "I want to commend you for a flawless study. But no politician ever lost an election because they voted more money for law enforcement." Think of what that’s done to our law enforcement over the last 30 years.
In 30 years, we’ve institutionalized two million more people. We imprison four to ten times other industrialized nations. Many times more per capita than Rwanda, Cuba, Russia. America has gone down this path together: red states, blue states. We need to change this debate: how can we?
What’s in the news cycle, what positions are people taking? I think politics is an emotional business: think of how GWB used 911 because it recalled for all Americans how we felt that day. Was the 2008 bank meltdown the same shared experience? Yes, based on fears about jobs, housing, retirement.
The reality is that the federal govt is borrowing 1.2 trillion this year and more next year. 40% of the budget is borrowed.
We have exported our drug war: 28,000 people killed in Mexico in the past four years. We have to confront people’s fears and talk about the senseless waste of money and lives.
We can learn a lot from the medicalization: somebody complained about our kids’ lemonade stand and the police came to shut it down. Think, then, about the complaints generated by dispensaries, and by legalization.
[Pot Wars, film about dispensaries in California]
More dispensaries in Los Angeles than there are Starbucks.
"who knows who is running some of these?"
"nobody is testing the mj in LA"
Still a lot of uncertainty about what’s legal and what’s not.
Dispensaries operating in a gray area, collectives that haven’t been raided are lucky.
No one had a bigger stake than the truly ill people who need mj to help them stay well.
2009: Holder says stop targeting patients in compliance with state law, then LA supervisors passed a law that will close lots of dispensaries. New zoning restrictions, sensitive use areas. All but a few will need to relocate.
Isn’t medicalization a step towards legalization.
Californians wonder why their government is spending so much money on a war they can’t win. Regulating mj like alcohol. If the legislators can do it, then the voters will.
Prop 215 passed with 56%, the same %age of Californians who now favor legalization.
St Pierre: Neill Franklin next. Very few come through the door Neill has, as a state trooper in MD. No one in this room possesses the commanding understanding of the toxic nature of the drug war on law enforcement.
Neill:"Where’s a cop when you need one? Well, I’m right here on your side." [Applause]
LEAP fast growing organization of crime fighters formed in 2002 by five retired cops to reduce death, disease, crime, and addiction. Same goals as the war on drugs! But they decided to do it by ending prohibition. After decades on the front lines, prohibition had to end. We are a 501c3 — not just cops, judges, retired federal agents, wardens, and guards.
I’m here for the duration until these policies are changed. It took the assassination of a close friend, a drug agent in the MD state police, to help me get here. I learn something new about this policy every day. It’s a bad policy with worldwide effect.
The damage to our neighborhoods, our citizens, cuts wide deep and long. It’s going to take a lot to fix that. we’re here to educate; we have a unique perspective. From the law enforcement, we speak our own truth about what we know: inappropriate focus and use of law enforcement and the unsolved crimes that go unsolved because we miss the mark. Crimes of violence that go unsolved leaves a perpetrator at large to prey on our citizens.
New scare tactic: drugged driving and the inability of law enforcement to detect drugged driver. As a cop, if you don’t have the skills to detect a driver who’s drugged or drunk or texting, you need remedial training. All law enforcement needs to do is observe, stop, make the stop, do the test, and document.
We used to arrest folks for DUI without breath tests. Relied on the observations of the officer; it took work. Legalization, eliminating perverse drug policies, will put more cops on the street to find and arrest impaired drivers.
Two words: opportunity and momentum. The opportunity of a lifetime is only good for the lifetime of the opportunity. So what if Prop 19 doesn’t pass in November? Maybe in two years, but how many will die here and worldwide? In Mexico, 1200 die every month. We lose thousands here as well. In two years, a lot of lives will be disenfranchised.
This is the opportunity of a lifetime — for somebody’s life.
Momentum: the numbers indicate we have momentum for policy change. We are starting to go vertical, and quick. People thought they would never see this in their lifetime; our board chair was one. Many organizations getting on board: NAACP, CA council of churches, National Black Police Association. Very short period of time, but you can feel it building.
Let us not let this momentum to pass us by: once lost, it is hard to resume. Don’t let it die, way too serious an issue not to take this very seriously. We each have a role to play: discover your role, accomplish your missions. Let’s change the discussion from IF we should do this to HOW we should do this.
In Wyatt Earp’s words: You’re either in this fight, or you’re not. And if you’re not, get out of the way. Just say WHAT? [now] Just say WHAT? ]Now!] JUST SAY WHAT? {NOW!!!}
Cool call and response….
St Pierre introducing Michael Whitney, Just Say Now as a gamechanger.
We came up with the name same time NORML did. JSN is a co-project of SSDP, FDL and now LEAP. It’s a transpartisan space for no party, both parties. Board includes Bruce Fein, Neill Franklin. Organized 75,000 people online.
Goal: support Prop 19 as well as AZ, OR, [one other]
Getting our feet wet for 2010, then really push in 2012.
Disconnect between what people think and how politicians and media treat this issue. 73% support medical.
45% of young voters are likely to turn out if legalization is on the ballot. Young voters will show up for MJ.
Congress doesn’t represent the American people on this.
Only 4 of CA’s representatives support 19, both Boxer and Brown oppose. Feinstein heads up the No on 19 campaign. CA Dems voted to be neutral on 19.
we want to challenge this disconnect between politicians and people. We want to pass everything on the ballot in 2010 and put more things on the ballot in 2012.
Incrementally more difficult tasks, people get more engaged, politicians get more challenged by people who are more supporting of legalization.
Facebook censorship: we wanted to broadcast our launch to people who might support us. After 38 million ads were seen, Facebook reversed course and censored us. Instead of removing our leaf, we launched the Censored by Facebook campaign; HuffPost.
FB changed their excuse four times in two days, ended up saying, "guys, stop asking us about pot leaves, seriously."
Then Reddit (owned by Conde Nast) was told to censor our ads by their bosses despite their huge community interest. NOt just censor, but refused our ads completely. Huge protest on Reddit, whose users started turning on AdBlock to deny Reddit revenue. Within two hours, Reddit condemned their parent company and said they’d run our ads for free
(huge hoots and applause from audience)
Reddit sided with their community, which is the goal of our movement.
We want to take our online support offline, sneak preview of what’s coming up next week that I probably shouldn’t liveblog….
Allen St Pierre also previews a huge initiative between FDL, SSDP, HuffPost, and NORML that should roll out next week as well.
Break! Time to hit the Portland food carts across Alder street. See you there….



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Jane and Earl in the same room together!
Wow!
I wish the regular Portland FDL supporters had known ahead of time of the event here in my home town. I sure didn’t.
I hope the conference is fruitful.
Thanks Teddy. (didn’t want you to think you were all alone)
thanks Teddy !
fabu fabu.
smoke out
turn out
vote out
the pot ban
and while ur at it
vote democratic.
SAVE CALIFORNIA!
oooh really looking forward to hearing Alice Huffman/ Calif NAACP speak tomorrow
Mike Whitney presenting now.
Neil did great. The next guy threw him under the bus with the “rest of the cops don’t think” bit.
Is anyone throwing any money at yes on 19? Soros?
I posted my email address below cbl2 but then you wandered off… :)
I hate PowerPoint.
Is there some way I can disable stickman?
I would be glad to follow this thread, but don’t intend to stream the video.
NORML isn’t handing “Just Say Now” to FDL. It’s quite the opposite.
That’s what the menu button is for.
gotcha mama – and it is official – You Have Mail – mwaaah !
If you hit menu, then the top button is “open bigger screen”. Hit that but then immediately close the big screen, it will stop livestreaming at the top of the comment thread and you’ll have to reload to get the feed back. Hope it helps.
Enjoying the livestream. Glad you’ve put it up. And screw Facebook!
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is finally available: NPR Highlights the Democrats’ Problem, in a Nutshell
I really hate to see FDL taking the NORML tract. I favor legalization but the NORML approach is shallow and has often been misleading. Personally I think it decreases the credibility and chances of becoming law. But that’s just my opinion.
I like to look at it as FDL and SSDP legitimizing NORML.
Thanks. Back atcha! :)
Forgive me but weren’t you one of the people who was dead set against legalization when this all started? I seem to remember that you were concerned about more people “driving under the influence” or something. I could be wrong.
Sounds right to me; there’s very little we can do right in this regard, is my take. I could be wrong, but I agree with you.
Hi Margaret. No I was ambivalent but leaning against legalization. And I do know it to be a substance that presents risk to users and those around them. .. not more and likely less than alcohol. My reasons for supporting legalization now (after thought and reading here) are first and foremost, a lot of people want to use it for recreation and I say let the grown ups have their freedom. But I do think we need to be honest and have regulatory mechanisms that address false advertising, access by minors and just good old sin taxes.
But I disapprove of using the drug culture rhetoric of exaggerating safety and promoting it like SOMA of Brave New World; Medicine for all your ills. I have heard that stuff from users and addicts to everything from meth to heroin.
I know I ought to keep my mouth shut but somedays I have too much time on my hands, :-) I do believe legalization is a legitimate goal and we don’t need to shill it.
Thanks for your candor. Most people would have just denied that ever took that position. NORML wouldn’t be my first choice either but they have been around for a very long time and they have the necessary infrastructure to expand the campaign. Sometimes I think NORML is just another organization that long since quit being in the business of promoting their agenda and came to be in the business of promoting themselves. They haven’t exactly been effective, though they have shown flashes of brilliance in the past.
Appreciated. I do think NORML has a pretty shabby image that I don’t see how it can help the cause. On the other hand as you point out the infrastructure for expansion of the campaign is a plus and I take your point.especially if we can attend to the framing
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As a Christian who takes seriously Jesus command to do unto others what I would have them do unto me, I know that if my child were using marijuana, I’d want to work with him or her as a parent rather than seeing him or her with a criminal record, in jail with the sexual predators, lose their college financial aid, and all of the very real harm that would be caused, not by the marijuana, but by the law. I would hate for that to happen to anyone’s child, but it does, every day. Every single day. It’s the law.
Likewise, if my aging parents were to try a little marijuana to ease the aches and pains of growing older, I would not want to see the police confiscate their home and sell it under the property forfeiture laws. I’d hate for that to happen to anyone’s parent, but it does. Every day. Every single day. It’s the law.
All the anti-prop-19 arguments boil down to “it’s better to put people in jail than to let ordinary Americans grow a little marijuana in their own back yards.”
I’m not willing to go that far. I don’t think there is anything wrong with their image, other than it’s been unjustifiably impugned by the enforcers for decades. I just don’t think they’ve been especially effective in the past. Like almost all organizations, NORML started off with lofty and worthy goals but like too many of them, they lost focus on the goal until the goal became keeping NORML relevant and able to raise money. That’s just the way I see it. It has nothing to do with their stated goals. Like I said, most organizations fall into the trap eventually. Look at NARAL. Look at the HRC. I like NORML and I hope they cam become relevant again.
There are many good reasons why pot should be legal but none of those are the reason it may become legal. The biggest reason California may legalize it is money, money for a bankrupt state.
One state or even a few states legalizing pot will not stop the Feds from harassing and arresting growers. The Feds will never legalize it because of the billions of dollars they get to stop it, these are entrenched groups with power. I don’t think the banksters really want to stop the trade since they make billions more laundering the profits. The prison industrial complex certainly doesn’t want it legalized because their profits depend on it being illegal.
I think we should support well run medical marajuana programs and put more effort into legal hemp production on the federal level. Putting hemp and pot together means that hemp, the more important economic crop, will never get legalized.
If states legalize pot that is great but don’t expect the Feds to stop the War On Drugs.
I hate to put a negative spin on legalizing marijuana but, I went to the NORML conference in SF this year and felt confident at the time after hearing the rhetoric in favor of passage. But, it is no secret that there are hundreds of growers and dispensary owners in California who are not in favor of legalization . . .and for obvious reasons. Will they be able to implode the the movement to legalize?
And what role will Diane Feinstein play in the dialogue. . .who has more than one constituent who agrees with her on defeating this prop?
In my opinion, the only way to get this prop passed is to:
1. register as many voters as possible in the 18-30 category at dispensaries, colleges and work places. We have six weeks to pound the pavement and talk is cheap.
2. elucidate the fiscal conservatives on the facts that in the next decade this prop will add a windfall of billions of dollars in state revenue to the California economy.
3. explain to the moral conservatives that this will take the wind out of the sails of the Mexican cartels big time. . .where it has been reported that 60% of their income base is from . . .marijuana. Thus, reducing their power and drug trafficking big time.
So far, my gut feeling is . . .48% in favor and 52% opposed.
Well put, alwaysright 29: Get ‘em registered in California and start the dominoes falling. Share the links:
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College students: You can usually register as a citizen of either your hometown or your college residence town. Share the voter registration info through your student newspaper, twitter, etc.
Everybody: Most states allow early voting and/or vote-by-mail, so once you’re registered, go ahead and request a ballot (at the voter info site for your state). Save a trip to the polls and get it done while you’re thinking about it.
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NORML’s business now is helping people who’ve been caught up in the drug war law enforcement process find attorneys and assistance. They get hundreds of calls every week from folks who’ve got stuck in the maw of the grinding, sucking criminal justice “system” in America.
Making snap judgments about an organization’s “image” from “impressions” one has really doesn’t work here. It’s a fine group, as you point out, and an awesome ally for FDL.
We’re excited to work with them and meet folks at their national conference here in Portland. Thanks for pushing back against the criticism of “how we’re doing things today” which seems pretty constant, in my view.
Love ya, Megs.
Now there’s something I was unaware of. Good for them! (I hope I never need them)
And yeah, that holds true for anybody or anything. Looking only at the surface is foolish.
I wouldn’t expect you to understand my observations. Peace to you Teddy.
I posted in comments a few times, starting a month ago.
Wish I could be there. Someone say High to Steve, Alan and Keith for me. Tell Steve sorry I can’t help him reprise the gift to Tommy Chong from the NORML after party in Hollywood, but I’m sure he won’t have any problems along those lines in PDX.
Prisons have been filled to capacity. Violent criminals, murderers, rapists and child molesters are released early to create space for these so called drug offenders. Half of court trial time and also a huge chunk of police officers time is pointlessly wasted. Enormous untaxed profits from illegal drugs fund multi-national criminal empires which bribe law enforcement authorities and spread corruption faster than a raging bush fire. These laws take violent criminals and turn them into multi-billionaires whilst corrupting even entire countries such as Columbia, Panama, Mexico and Afghanistan. The extreme violence on and south of the border is drug gangs fighting for turf in this lucrative business. The drug laws are also funding the Taliban whose illegal opium profits allow it to buy weapons and pay it’s fighters more than $300 a month, compared with the $14 paid to an Afghan policemen.
The definition of insanity is great folly, madness, extreme senselessness, lunacy. The present drug laws cause all of the above and may therefor be deemed insane.
There will be many of you who probably fear a theoretical free-for-all, but that overlooks one major point: That’s exactly the situation we have at the moment. Sure, there are laws against the possession and sale of these drugs, but they have no impact on actually restricting either one. When we allow such drugs to remain in the criminal market, they finance the activities of street punks, violent gangs, drug lords and terrorists. That’s why there is now such an urgent need to legalize, which will not only allow us to properly regulate these substances, but also strip the illegal cartels of their main income.
So please consider the following very carefully : It wasn’t the alcohol that caused the surge in crime and homicide during alcohol prohibition, it was prohibition itself. That’s why many of us find it hard to believe that the same thing is not happening now. We clearly have a prohibition fueled violent crime problem. A huge number of these violent crimes are perpetrated by criminal syndicates and gangs who use the proceeds form the sales of illegal substances to further even more of their criminal activities.
Prohibition is nothing less than a grotesque dystopian nightmare. We have to regulate and we have to do it now!