It’s no secret that the GOP used ‘gay marriage’ prohibition referenda to great success in turning out their most fundamentalist, right-wing voters in states that mattered to the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign in 2004. But American voters, especially inward-looking, family-oriented fundies, must be constantly re-entertained to be electorally motivated. To that end, the GOP is test-marketing its second-decade turnout-motivator issue in Oklahoma: Sharia law.
Yes, Oklahomans will vote next week whether to prohibit their judges from considering international or Sharia law in their deliberations.
One of 11 ballot initiatives in the state this November, State Question 755, better known as the “Save Our State” constitutional amendment, would prevent courts from using international or Sharia law. The question made it to the ballot by passing the state Senate 41-2 and the House 82-10. In addition to potentially rallying the conservative base to the polls, the initiative, which bans something that is nearly impossible statutorily, is worth watching because the GOP may employ it in swing states two years down the line.
If this works — and why wouldn’t it, given the huge threat Sharia law currently poses to Oklahomans? — it may very well be the ballot issue that supplants ‘gay marriage’ in states the GOP needs to win the presidency in 2012. Look for compliant state legislatures, and some new GOP governors elected next week, to get this pressing issue on statewide ballots in 2012.
‘Gay marriage’ got the fundie preachers’ flocks up and out of the pews to vote in 2004. Eight years later, these preachers will naturally align themselves with such a pro-Christian issue: would you like your next brush with the police to be decided under Sharia law? ‘Sharia law’ is a double-barreled issue, too. It not only has the charming xenophobic resonance of George W Bush’s famous “with us or against us.” It also shuts down debate pretty quickly: “You’re not a terrorist-sympathizer, are you?”
Of course, that Sharia law poses absolutely no threat to American jurisprudence makes no difference whatsoever. Marriage equality hasn’t ended ‘traditional marriage’ anywhere, has it? The logic of the issue isn’t important. In fact, it’s counterintuitive, since anyone who argues against a Sharia law referendum is, by definition, on the side of terrorists.
See?
Suddenly, all that recent braying from disgraced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich about a federal ban on Sharia law begins to make sense. The GOP must get folks scared about Sharia law if they to be asked to vote on it next cycle. If the unresponsive federal government won’t recognize the very real threat of creeping Sharia-ism in our courts, at least states can ban it.
For motivating base voters, 2012 might shape up to be Sharia v pot.



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Republicans: trolling the universe, one planet at a time. (Wish they’d move on to Mars, already!)
It’s very scary to see them motivate voters around an issue that poses absolutely no threat to them, America, their states’ governance, or anything at all. But that’s the ‘gay marriage’ playbook, and it has the religious angle too.
Very scary, although progressives have pot to motivate voters in 2012; it might be countered by that.
“For motivating base voters, 2012 might shape up to be Sharia v pot.”
May as well, since you’d have to be smoking something to believe this Sharia crap.
Sooners have a history of getting places before everyone else…
Do GOPers even know what Sharia law is Gay Marriage well you can see Gay people on tv even in a red state everyone knows what marriage is so no explanation is needed.
To create a wedge issue you need something everyone understands and everyone feels they have a personal stake in.
Just who in the United States has ever been harmed by Sharia law? Just how many people can explain Sharia law even at the Lake?
…especially kuh-raaaaazy places.
Does Newt really want Sharia law to be an issue? Voters might start noticing the similarities between Sharia law and the Fundies God’s Law.
A ban on Sharia law could easily be taken as an attempt to ban the Fundies God’s Law do the fundies want to establish that precedent?
Disgraced former House Speaker Newt and the other sillies in the GOP (one of which could very well be the nominee) are spending lots of teevee time seeding this meme into the consciousness of the FOX viewer, though. There’s a reason why they are doing that, and I think 2012 is it.
Of course it’s idiotic. But so were their reasons for wanting constitutional amendments to ban ‘gay marriage’ and look how well that worked out for them!
It’s not what Sharia law actually is; it’s terror-fear. Sharia=terror. For most people, especially the FOX viewers who are listening to Beck and Newt and all the rest. They don’t need to understand it, or even know what it is. It’s furrin.
Sharia Law is Allah’s law; different god, theirs is bigger than Muhammed’s, remember.
They sure are having a hard time wrapping their heads around man-made global climate change, though….
Sharia law is sexist crap. If we want to protect women from sexist laws written in the dark ages, we need to reject Sharia law.
Battered women may be seriously battered and still want to be judged under sharia law. However, sharia law is biased against women. It provides little to no protection for battered women.
here’s a image of Muhammad
(((:~{> It’s a young Muhammad, before he married a 9 year old.
I have just one question. If the ‘god’ of the Abrahamic religions is the same ‘god’, then how come he/she/it keeps contradicting him/her/itself? Perhaps long term memory loss?
Of course, as Thomas Paine famously said, and I paraphrase, the individual who hears the revelation is one thing, but when he/she repeats the revelation, well, then it becomes hearsay. I like Paine lots. LOL
Couldn’t agree more.
Why don’t we just expand our pronouncements and conclude that all ‘relgious law’ is unadulterated crap. Then we don’t have to pick the fly shit out of the pepper and determine who is right and who missed the ark.
But where in America is Sharia law even under discussion, or being considered by judges? I simply don’t see the threat. Perhaps you could be more specific about where you see Sharia law insidiously taking hold, such that voters need a referendum to reject it.
For example, I think Martian law is equally awful, but I’m not motivated to get a referendum on the ballot to Save My State from Martians wanting to bring their law here.
Sounds good to me.
Paine!
Evidently I’m going to have to do a post comparing Sharia with Leviticus.
The death penalties are about the same; it’s just the method of killing that’s different.
Women, as you might guess, are subservient under both sets.
Why Leviticus is better, and in fact preferred by the Fundies in America than Sharia baffles me.
Yes Paine! As in ‘Common Sense’ Paine and ‘The Age of Reason’ Paine.
And not as in you are stepping on my sense of humor and boy does that smart.
Paine was a seminal founding father, but because he was an atheist and not just a Deist, he didn’t get his place, as he so rightly deserved, on the Mt. Olympus of the U.S.’s founding fathers and a few mothers. And you can interpret ‘mothers’ anyway you so desire.
Democracy is very careful who gets deified and who is a mere atheist mortal. Wouldn’t want to upset the religious morons.
It’s all about contracts: New contracts based on old contracts. To the ‘fundies’ the only way they can give their brand of superstition credence is to say that ‘god’ made his first contract with the Jews, but used the escape clause contained therein and opted out and next signed up with the Christians. ‘god’ made the contract so it’s his game.
So without the Jews, there couldn’t and can not be Christians. Pretty nifty. Of course the Muslims throw both the Jews and Christians under the bus and declare that ‘god’s’ contract is with them. In fact the Muslims have it in writing that all human beings are born Muslims and those you do not choose to remain so fall from the pure light.
All of this confusion from the lips of one ‘god’. Makes you think that maybe a lot of people made all of this up.
Not better when it comes to adultery, IIRC
They’ll believe anything in OK.. Have you ever seen humans led around by the nose ring each receives at birth in OK. OK is where it started….. example of stupidity level in OK… Review at your leisure the DOCTOR IS GOD law passed late last year… Then tuck your rethuglican ass-cheeks in a spam can and LEAVE!
Please expand profusely. Does IRC stand for the US Internal Revenue Code? Nice to see you up and haunting the halls of thought with impunity.
The idea of Sharia law in this country is very funny. Have the fundies even thought how much a** kicking would go on by us “ladies?” I think not.
Jupiter is more them, big bags of toxic gas.
Pretty much my point. Both call for stoning.
Why it’s terrible that Sharia does, when Leviticus does too is beyond me.
Better said, if you did a search-and-replace in Leviticus for “stoning” and replaced with “beheading” do you think Leviticus would be as popular with the Fundie bunch as much as Sharia is shunned?
They just don’t realize they’re looking in a mirror.
They just haven’t thought this through. I mean suppose they passed a legal pot initiative, AND passed the ban on Sharia law AT THE SAME TIME?!? It would be, like, putting anti-matter and identical matter in your port nacelle with a cracked dilithium crystal! It could open a wormhole directly to the Omega quadrant! Where Spock has a beard!!!
Seriously, who comes up with this rubbish? Are they a) trained psychologists who understand the subtleties of the neuroses of the authoritarian mind, and are cynically seeding both Fear of the Other in the form of Muslims and a pointless yet emotionally charged electoral issue to drive turnout or b) a bunch of aging has-been sociopaths desperate for power throwing random crap against the wall to see what sticks?
Because Sharia is Muslin.
The content is unimportant. It’s the color of the acolytes, who destroyed NYC on 911, that’s important.
Try to keep up. *g*
I’m simply unwilling to write off the entire population of any state. I’ve learned there are progressives in Texas and Alaska, just in the past few years. Surely there are good people in Oklahoma we shouldn’t paint with the broad brush you’re wielding.
b), guided by and employing a)
where did this issue come from again? you know, states routinely buy into international treaties …. like i think there’s one relating to children who get in the middle of nasty divorces and are taken overseas without pemission. i know there are mundane ones like about how to serve legal papers on foreigners; how to get foreign documents authenticated in court. this is routine stuff. does it all come grinding to a halt because a bunch of cretin Okies (aplogties to dr. dick) can get played by Republicans? This is so fucking stupid. It’ll pass.
Just how far will the GOP go to avoid talking about real issues?
Newt is running for President I guess but just what pollster told him Sharia law was a winning issue?
On an unrelated note, what are these little flag icons? Am I supposed to pull them out before I putt?
Of course making laws either for or against sharia law would be a violation of the Constitution of the United States of America…
I think it’s a mod alert. The new FDL needs a newbie guide rather badly.
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My comments do have flag icons is that good or bad?
Terror. Plain old GOPterror. They can’t run on a real issue so they have to pull one out of hat to scare dummies.
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What assholes. The Republicans want a vote to outlaw Sharia law? And then right after that they a want a vote to enshrine their version of Sharia law.
Assholes.
Not unless your into self-flagellation.
I’m still fuming over the fact the liberals made Xmas illegal. Why isn’t anyone talking about that!!
Hmmm … so clicking on it would be a BAD thing, except in the rare case of an actual problem.
… must … not … click … shiny … icon … right … in … front … of … me …
… and will the edit button eventually return?
But if they hadn’t then we wouldn’t have the thrill of illegally celebrating Christmas each year!
Yeah! And I recall an election in 2008 in Tennessee where it was said the libruls were outlawing the Bible! Wonder why they’re not up in arms about that too!
True but couldn’t the GOP come up with a better issue to scare people with? I still think a wedge issue must be widely know and affect people personally to be effective.
Outside of news junkies like us at the Lake and our opposite numbers on the right just who knows what Sharia law is?
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There’s no rational explanation for that of course. It’s just the current buzzword. They don’t have a clue what Sharia even is and I doubt the vast majority of them could tell you one tenth of what Leviticus said either. I constantly entertain myself with speculation about how many “Christians” are lambasting gays over bacon or pork sausage on Sunday morning.
I think their plan is to spend a lot of time talking about this “issue” over the next two years, educating the target audience. Not to mention confronting reality-based candidates with it.
“Congressman, how can you claim to be an American if you support Sharia law?”
I wonder what happens when someone makes a private contract and references Sharia Law as the governing law except where state law supersedes it.
Wait if Sharia law is the new Gay Marriage wedge issue does that mean Newt figures Gay marriage is no longer the polarizing issue it once was with voters?
Sure the GOP I expect will always hate gay marriage but is gay marriage going the way of interracial marriage notice some GOPers have married outside the race.
So there seems to be a maximum depth of replies (at least the “reply” label is missing after a certain depth).
And my italics/bold/hyperlink options seem to be gone.
Dear Mods, lurking or otherwise.
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far as it takes. stop at nothing to benefit the rich whilst having the support of schmucks who are convinced they’re to benefit.
what ever happened to the WTC mosque? Haven’t heard about that in some time. Guess they figured they had gotten enough mileage out of it and went on to their next heap of unadulterated horseshit.
I’m glad I’m not the only that’s lost.
I’m clueless to this stuff, and now don’t even know how to come back in and read threads for new posts.
Do you have to re-read the whole thread looking for new posts anywhere in the middle that were responses to previous comments?
Ugh. Clueless and lost and frustrated. LOL, probably past my night-night time I guess.
“Surely there are good people…”
Isn’t that what Lot said about Sodom and Gomorrah?
/irony
Well, this is timely:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/serving-two-masters-shariah-law-and-the-secular-state/?ref=opinion?hp
Oh, god, the mosque! You had to bring that up. I think it morphed into the whole Sharia law thing. After all, why worry about a few blocks in Manhattan when you can have the entire legal structure of Muslim law seeping into our precious bodily fluids.
(Might be a good time to rewatch Doctor Strangelove, folks…)
They don’t NEED to know what it is: it’s terror. And Newtie is making sure they know that much. So is the rest of the GOP establishment. This isn’t unknown over there, and the Oklahoma initiative is a test. I’m not sure why you seem to think this isn’t happening, or isn’t an attempt to educate voters about something as absurd as Sharia law.
Yes, it’s ridiculous. But it’s happening.
Bingo.
I’m looking forward to Kelly’s line-by-line comparison of Sharia law v Leviticus.
I think as we see the Sharia thing spread across the country we’ll realize that the Ground Zero Mosque™ was its introductory chapter. These things aren’t done on the back of an envelope; they are very carefully planned and organized. See also: Powell report.
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As an Oklahoman, let me say that I am looking forward to election day next week, so we can show the entire world that we are bigots and dumbasses. The moron that introduced this idiotic ballot measure says that those who vote against it must WANT sharia law in OK. This is a solution for which there is no problem.
It will be amusing, but if the Koran translations are as spotty as the OT translations it won’t be much more than amusing. Of course, maybe they aren’t as spotty. After all, nobody has any incentive to shade the Koran translation in favor of Jeshua bar El.
To really do a serious job of this, you’d have to know Hebrew and Arabic.
Given that much of Shari’a Law is also in the Bible…could this possibly be turned on its head and if Oklahoman’s try to pass some fundamentalist-based law…then if one found that it was simpatico with the Quran or sunnah…it could be challenged on the basis of this law.
After all in that case the law would be “Shar’ia law”.
BTW I think that Oklahomans will next use “Barrio Law” as their hot button issue.
The Fascist Konservative Republicans, or as I like to call them the FKR’ers, or more specifically the mother-FKR’ers, are downright FK’ing nuts.
Let me get this straight. These mother-FKR’ers are asserting that they are anti-Sharia Law, the most virulent anti-homosexual religious intolerance dogma this side of Leviticus, which must mean that these mother-FKR’ers are against religious intolerance toward homosexuals since they are supposedly anti-Sharia Law. Give me a FK’ing break. Only a complete idiot would fall for this. Oh, right.
Fonzie once said he wished that it could be 1955 forever. The GOP wishes that it could be September 12, 2001 forever.