In a 2-1 split, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled it would make permanent its temporary stay of District Judge Virginia Phillips’ ruling that Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell is unconstitutional and should no longer be enforced by the United States military. This ruling means that the stay will remain in place until the Appeals Court rules, after reading briefs due in January and February, and perhaps hearing arguments after those briefs.
From MetroWeekly:
With one judge dissenting, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit issued a stay of the injunction of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy issued by U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips, pending the outcome of the government’s appeal of Log Cabin Republicans v. United States.
The immediate impact of the ruling, which was not unexpected, means that — absent congressional or executive action — DADT will remain in effect through at least Spring 2011. The practical timeline for the appeal, however, means it actually would remain law much longer.
From The Advocate:
A three-judge panel of the U.S. court of appeals for the ninth circuit ruled that the “the lack of an orderly transition in policy” could produce “immediate harm” and “precipitous injury” — echoing arguments made by the Obama administration’s Justice Department in the lawsuit Log Cabin Republicans v. United States of America. In that case, a federal district judge ruled in September that the 17-year-old policy violated the constitutional rights of gay service members.
“We also conclude that the public interest in ensuring orderly change of this magnitude in the military — if that is what is to happen — strongly militates in favor of a stay,” ninth circuit judges Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain and Stephen S. Trott wrote.
Apparently, all it takes is for the US Government to say, on behalf of a homophobic military leadership, that DADT repeal is a big deal. Once the court accepts the argument that it’s a big deal — and despite early leaks about the survey of active-duty servicemembers that it is, in fact, NOT a big deal — then there’s hardly any way to disallow the permanent stay, especially in a time of war.
The dissenting judge on the three-judge panel made the important point that the Commander-in-Chief could had been compelled to suspend the policy:
In a dissenting opinion, Judge William A. Fletcher wrote that he would have favored a stay of the district court’s order if the Defense Department were barred from any further discharges of gay service members under DADT.
Dan Woods, lead attorney for the Log Cabin Republicans, told The Advocate Monday afternoon that he was reviewing the court’s ruling and that he will discuss with his client whether or not to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. “I imagine it will be a long shot,” Woods said.
However, Woods said he may file a separate motion seeking expedited arguments in the case. The ninth circuit allowed an expedited schedule in California’s Proposition 8 case, with arguments scheduled for December 6.



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I expected it. It’s going to be a long 6 years waiting out the Obama administration. It’s exhausting. We waited out 8 years of Bush hoping someday someone would move into the White House and not be a huge drag on our civil rights.
Guess it’s wasn’t Obama. Like Clinton, he campaigned on being gay friendly.
And like Clinton, seems to deliver more heartache. Because he “has to!”
Shorter DOD/DOJ position: “Stays for Me but not for Thee.”
There’s no mention I’ve seen anywhere of a possible appeal to the entire Ninth Circuit (I think this is called ‘en banc’) or an appeal of the stay to SCOTUS. Maybe the Log Cabins think they can get the Senate votes for repeal in the Lame Duck session, as Obama asked them to do.
We’ll see.
From the 9th Circuit’s order (pdf):
Not allowing this carve out would similarly be subject to the vagaries of the rule of unintended consequences. It could have the unfortunate effect of encouraging DADT supporters within the military to engage in a push for as many discharges as possible, as quickly as possible, to purge the military of gays and lesbian before a possible final resolution of the case makes such discharges illegal.
But that kind of inconsistency is apparently OK, according to the two judges in the majority.
The paragraph that starts “Although our respected colleague . . .” is the quote from the order.
The rest is from me.
(I really miss the icons to make these sorts of things happen, and I really, really miss my friend Preview.)
Thanks for the link to the order, Peterr.
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2010/11/01/10-56634_order_granting_stay.pdf
Shit Shit!!
This crap must end! Let everyone who wants to serve our country do so in dignity Period. We need every one of them. They are true Patriots! They raise their hands voluntarily to serve us all!
I don’t think the LCR are factoring legislation in at all. Why would they? They’re winning in the Courts.
Even if they did find a way to reverse this stay at the Ninth, the DOJ will appeal to the SCOTUS for a stay and almost certainly get it.
“Change of this magnitude .. ”
My ASS!
FUCK FUCK FUCK THIS HORSESHIT!!!! THE CHANGE HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, THE QUEERS ARE HERE!!! THE STR8 GRUNTS DON’T CARE!!!
FFS, STOP THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT ALREADY!!!
mods, i am sorry to scream, i really am. but JESUS!!! GAH!!!!
Oddly, there appeared to be momentum in the Pentagon to comply with the original ruling. The stay did not seem to be needed.
It is only putting off the inevitable.
Tell us how you really feel, don’t hold back.
And what happens to the recruits who signed up, or the discharged servicemembers (eg Dan Choi) who re-enlisted during the very brief Lavender Window?
No status update, yet? Someone must know. ?
My recollection is that the Pentagon said, “back to status quo” and that Lt Choi was told his personal re-enlistment paperwork had been shredded at the Times Square Enlistment Center office. Haven’t heard reports from others.
But there must be some others.
These judges are of the same unenlightened generation as the military brass who want to slow this train down. Everyone in the enlisted ranks knows gays they serve with, and doesn’t care. The survey, flawed and non-respondent though it is, will show that, so they’ll bury it on a Friday during the holidays.
Thank you for your dogged reporting, Teddy.
These various court rulings form quite the study in double negatives don’t they?
Or were we waiting for this appeals decision?
Just. Terrible. Dan seems like the tenacious type, tho.
From the Federal Judicial Center’s database of judicial biographies:
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Stephen S. Trott:
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Diarmuid Fionntain O`Scannlain:
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And the dissenter, William A. Fletcher:
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Interesting that the dissenter served in the Navy before going to law school, while one of the majority was a JAG from 55-78. The latter certainly sounds like he’s from an earlier generation.
Obama won’t even be running for ’12, the Dem Party will be tapping him out early.
No second term, and the LGBT/DADT issues are but two reasons he can’t win and The Party Machine already knows that (Iraq/Afghan/Pak/Empire are other reasons, along with no jobs).
What we need to fear is HRC and A General To Be Named.
Corporate friendly, war friendly and will draw PUMA’s to the polls with some reluctant rethugs and indies that are hawk oriented . . . scary scenario, folks.
Here’s hoping there are no appeals as you say Teddy . . . DADT needs to end, and fast.
I said it before and everyone said I was crazy: but legally, it’s pretty clear that the courts should stay out of this. Even if there is a right to sexual privacy somewhere in the Constitution, it does not follow that it should apply to members of the U.S. military, or that courts should make the determination as to the extent of those rights.
I know it’s frustrating, but the public is in favor of letting gays serve openly in the military, and eventually Congress will act. Or Ted Rall’s Revolution will solve everything. Not sure which will happen first, except that it’s very dangerous to let random federal judges set military policy in this country.
I definitely would hate a right-wing judge making any decisions affecting the U.S. military, so it’s safer just to keep the judiciary focused on other tasks that don’t involve national security.
Wesleyan!
I’m sorry, that’s absurd.
The Courts are exactly where this issue should be because this is a constitutional issue and the Courts are where these issues are decide. Once again, Obama and his idiotic Justice Dept. jut had to immediately appeal and ask for a stay even though the Court had given the US 60 days to appeal. Well after the time of the election so that they could have seen whether Congress could have actually had a repeal vote after the election. Yet they appealed and sought a stay in a record 36 hours. STUPID. Obama, who does not live in the real world, continues to insist that the Senate will return and repeal DADT even that they would not before the election. Why old white repulicans now joined by crazier old white republicans would vote to repeal DADT after winning an election is inexplicable but that is how the gay champion Obama rolls.
Here’s the definition of absurd: “utterly or obviously senseless, illogical, or untrue; contrary to all reason or common sense; laughably foolish or false”
My post is neither without sense or illogical or contrary to all reason. It can’t be untrue, because I’m merely approving of an actual fact that occurred, i.e. the court agreed with my position.
I know it’s hard to accept: but just because you want a certain political position to prevail (one I happen to agree with, BTW) does NOT mean that courts should impose it on their own authority against the will of the voters and the constitutional system.
The courts always have, will and should defer to the Congress and president in regulating military affairs.
It’s absurd. The founders built civilian control to the military into the Constitution.
Is it not possible this “well we’ve always defered to the military” atttitude might play a part in the fact that we are ALWAYS at war?
The reason for civilian control was to avoid MIC running the show unchecked.
Fierce Advocate, my ass
I’m sorry, I’ll amend my remarks.
In my OPINION, that’s absurd.
Happy now?