The head of the Center for Military Readiness (a self-generated think tank for bigots), Elaine Donnelly, told Tamron Hall today that homosexuals need to “calm down” about Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell. Speaking on MSNBC alongside two servicemembers discharged under the policy (Hall and Almi) Ms Donnelly screeched her lies about the study, saying that it never defined its own terms of ‘readiness’ and ‘unit cohesion,’ the two military terms at the very center of the debate for the past two decades.
Apparently, a ten-month comprehensive study that involved surveys sent to almost half a million servicemembers and their families, extensive interviews with the leadership of all branches of the service, and in-depth discussions with both discharged and currently serving non-straight servicemembers isn’t enough for Ms Donnelly, whose expertise in the subject (such as it is) doesn’t come from her non-existence military service.
Of course, the incoming chair of the military readiness subcommittee in the House of Representatives next year, South Carolina’s Joe “You Lie!” Wilson, echoed Elaine Donnelly’s language as he said the current lame-duck session should not rush through repeal of DADT without a lengthy opportunity to study the report. He seems not to understand that the House has already passed a defense authorization bill that includes repeal; action is only needed in the US Senate.
So there you have the two-pronged response from the bigots and ‘slow-rollers’ to today’s report release: One, the report is seriously flawed because it didn’t ask the right questions or define the required terms. Two, we need more time to study it.



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Shorter Donnelly: How DARE the survey not comport with MY preconceived idea of how things should be run.
Too bad Lt. Dan Choi wasn’t there. He probably would have told off both Wilson and Donnelly. When will the TradMed call Wilson and Donnelly what they are: bigots?
Elaine gets twitter-twatted:
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This Elaine Donnelly on MSNBC right now looks like Cotton Mather and the Church Lady had a daughter.
They can’t calm down – it’s that “agenda” thing. s/
I think Legacy Media is afraid of Dan Choi now.
Only Rachel Maddow seems to have him on anymore. I hope she has him on tonight. Also Victor Fehrenbach! [*unprofessional swoon*]
This whole “doesn’t define its terms” is a new argument, though, and one we’d best look out for elsewhere. “More time” is an old chestnut, which Wilson trotted out, of course, because it means the new (GOP) House would have to re-vote next year.
As if!
But the argument that the report deals in terms it doesn’t define, even though those terms are the very same ones used to develop the policy in the first place, was new to me. Perhaps if others have heard it from Elaine or her fellow bigots, they can enlighten us here.
I was very proud of Tamron Hall (who is African-American) relating DADT repeal back to President Truman’s decision to desegregate the military in 1948. Elaine started to shake her head, off-site, then realized who was interviewing her and stopped.
It was a special moment.
You got that right!
**Diary updated to include video**
And does ANYONE know what she’s talking about, that DADT isn’t actually a law but simply a policy? Clearly, she doesn’t.
Actually I do think DADT was enshrined in law after ’94 by the Rs in Congress after first being a policy move under Clinton
Ah never mind. Donnelly was saying it was policy and not law.
Donnelly is surely an id10t
Tamron Hall did a great interview, considering she had two discharged servicemember chomping at the bit to refute Elaine. But Tamron could have done better right there: DADT is a policy AND a law. Elaine was flat wrong.
LOL – I also liked Liz Winstead’s comment that clearly “this woman’s husband left her for another man”.
I think I can calm down when Ms Donnelly STFU.
Study is just a euphemism for postpone.
Just what all active duty and veteran service members respect and crave: A civilian telling everybody what constitutes military readiness. This is the same woman who has fought women serving in combat roles tooth and nail and would have no doubt felt the same way about racial integration of the services had she been around then.
Ms. Hall has done well for herself since she left FOX News in Chicago.
Ms Donnelly screeched her lies about the study, saying that it never defined its own terms of ‘readiness’ and ‘unit cohesion,’ the two military terms at the very center of the debate for the past two decades.
Did any past military surveys do that the surveys in the past that were used to keep Gays out of the military?
Selective Grading
1. The report didn’t give us the answer we were looking for, so it’s flawed.
2. Don’t take any action on the report we don’t like until we grab power and can stop any action. In the meantime we’ll “study” it at the bottom of our birdcage.
Please don’t make nice birdies do her dirty work for her.
You forgot number 3. Don’t take any action on polling unless it yields the results we like. Results we hate = flawed, results we agree with = mandate.
The GOP always cries stop lets wait when they know we can win. Will the Dems let Lucy pull the football away again is the better question.
If so what can we do about it? Options?
I think we need to stop allowing this COWARD named Joe “You Lie!” Wilson any more room to opine what the military or Marines deem “combat readiness”.
Where was Joe Wilson during the Vietnam War? Hiding! Despite being a gung-ho Young Republican and “Youth For Goldwater” in 1964, he took a flyer by going to college and getting a deferment. And in the year of the Tet offensive…while other college graduates were facing combat in Nam, Mr. Joe “Chickenhawk” Wilson was getting another deferment…to go into LAW SCHOOL.
He only enlisted…in the USMC Reserves…after he had no other deferments to hide behind. By then he was able to finagle his law school connections to avoid serving in the Theater of War. He became a Marine lawyer.
The only “readiness” Joe Wilson has shown is readiness to avoid combat through whichever legal excuse he could find.
Disgusting as this is, Teddy, it’s no match for today’s NPR coverage, which soft-pedals to the Right by saying that a “significant minority” of those polled are against repeal, citing that “50 percent of Army Infantry and 60 percent of Marine Corps Infantry members are opposed – despite the overall poll showing it was 70-30 in favor.
This is equivalent to reporting, on the morning of November 5, 2008, “Democrat Barack Obama is the new President of the United States – but a significant minority of Republicans voted against him!”
WTF??
Agreed lets make him when he talks the poster child of Chicken Hawks lets say what do you care if Gays serve in combat you a straight guy had your chance to serve in combat but you ran.
These Gays want to run to the fights you ran away from. Yes that makes them braver than you and all the other ChickenHawks.
But but Jon McCain!
The same McCain who votes against more money for the troops and Vet benefits every chance he gets ? We should take his word on whats best for the troops why should he be concerned about the troops welfare now?
Heck if McCain says he’s for the troops on any given issue given his record if I were a solder I’d be running the other way on the issue.
SING OUT LOUISE!!!!
Having her on is like asking the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan what he thinks of racial integration.
Ha!
And “calm down” is just a euphemism for “stop being hysterical!”
I very much enjoyed her shaking her head ruefully when Tamron Hall started to talk about Harry Truman’s desegregating the service; you could see Elaine remind herself who the interviewer was, as she realized she had an African-American cable host demolishing her arguments.
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I think the only problem, major problem that would ensue is the complete ionization of the last remaining bits of Elaine Donnelly’s credibility for getting up on international broadcast media and stating such unmitigated b#llsh#t.
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Well gee interesting argument about using body armor that might not protect 10% of those who used it…..Wasn’t it secretary of Defense Rummy Dummy who said….”You go to war with the military you have not the military you would like to have” or something like that. did miss snitty pants have a problem with that statement from SOD?
I didn’t see that where is it in thei snippet?
Wow, now there is a homophobe who can’t even get the facts straight, like the Congress DID pass a law seemingly forgotten by her Pub.L. 103-160 (10 U.S.C. § 654) that is in direct conflict with the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution, or so say the appeal courts. Either the Congress repeals the law or they get it shoved down their throats by the courts! That they will find will bring more havoc than a straight repeal.
I thought the body armor was a particularly poor example for Miss Elaine to choose, considering how many soldiers DoD sent to Iraq without same.
She is a hatemonger, and so prissy about it at the same time. Like Tony Perkins in drag.
Tasteless on her part. Good to know she what she really thinks about the troops. Apparently there are just tissue paper to her to be used and thrown away. Again, I think she should have zero cred after this appearance.
The snippet doesn’t include that bit.
Our FDL snippets of MSNBC bits need to be very very short nowadays.
She is seriously misinformed, although her group is listed as one of those consulted by the study team, along with hate group Family Research Council, Tony Perkins’ crew.
Wow. I don’t think Elaine understands that LGBT/gender/women issues are pretty inseparable at many levels. So, she might as well have said “calm down” to all women as well.
And no that doesn’t mean lgbt = women. It only means the same crap that gets thrown at women, lands on lgbt or v.v. Like Republican senators who start out on lgbt often end up saying women should stay at home and stop complaining and pray and make babies.
The one and only problem identified in the study relates to the Marines.
The Marines are unique among the services that they pair off soldiers. Two to a room. And two to a team at the very lowest level of the combat units.
– Want to tell me there’s no issue where a newly-open-gay gets paired with a lifetime-fundie-churchgoer ???
Semper fi, baby.
But other than Marines and their barracks organization, there’s not a thing in there saying the military can’t do it. Racial integration was one helluva lot tougher problem.
Histrionic PD + sexual repression ==> hate mongering.
O-less. If she’d just learn Dr. Kegel’s routines and strengthen her pubococcygeus muscle, she could learn to smile and this anti-gay craziness would fade away.
Why you think shrinks have couches ???
One silver lining:
– This unprepared, nonreader harpy is the best they could do for a Pro DADT spokesperson.
GOPer propaganda is designed and delivered to avoid logical analysis.
There are no facts involved.
This is 100% emotional appeal. It is built to be memorable for voters who come in with life long views.
BTW: if you want to see the full dishonesty of the Republican Party, take a serious look at the Log Cabin Republicans.
Amazing scam. Everything they do leads to anti-gay backlash. And they get millions of dollars for GOPers while the party pushes Culture War against gays as one of its top three campaign themes.
Its also one helluvan engine for blackmail. Elected gays in the GOP are on the shortest leashes in Washington.
Democrats need to calm down.
We had fascism from 2001 through 2008 and its coming back.
That’s the message.
I don’t know about the rest, but praying isn’t even going to work in the mess that everyone who isn’t rich will soon find themselves in.
We live in an Oligarchy run by Fascists.