Secretary Gates left opponents of Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell repeal hardly any pegs on which to hang their hats. He also tried to goose the Senate into action this year with the threat of ‘judicial fiat’ of sudden repeal.
If Senate GOPs were to listen to the John McCain of 2006, they’d have no other way to vote but for repeal:
And I understand the opposition to it, and I‘ve had these debates and discussions, but the day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, Senator, we ought to change the policy, then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it because those leaders in the military are the ones we give the responsibility to.
Of course, McCain today suggests “the policy is working” with no regard for the ruined lives left in its wake, and with no clear understanding of how the policy operates in the military today.
Greg Sargent details the crumbling battlements repeal opponents have to hide behind:
One of the key findings in the report is that a whopping 74 percent of spouses of military service-members say repeal of DADT would have no impact on their view of whether their husbands or wives should continue to serve. This number comes by way of a Congressional staffer who attended a private briefing that the report’s authors, Defense Department officials Jeh Johnson and Carter Ham, gave to Senate Armed Services Committee staffers this morning.
This finding is important, because it undercuts a key argument made by repeal opponents: That having service-members mingle with gay colleagues could worry their families.
Also, it seems like the Marines are actually coming around:
According to the source, while the report does find that concern runs high among Marines, it also finds that 84 percent of Marine combat corps combat arms units who said they thought they’d worked with homosexual service-members in the past found the experience either very good, good, or neutral.
Congressman Joe “You Lie!” Wilson thinks DADT repeal shouldn’t be rushed: that’s his excuse for punting it into the next (GOP-controlled) House of Representatives.
“Using the last days of a lame duck Congress to hastily repeal ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ would be highly irresponsible. Today’s Pentagon report must be thoroughly examined by the committees of jurisdiction to determine potential impacts on military recruitment, readiness, and morale. Lawmakers and military leaders need to have as much information as possible before any action is taken on such a significant military policy.”
Elaine Donnelly, in an almost comical appearance with MSNBC’s Tamron Hall this afternoon, seemed to attack the lack of definition in the Johnson-Ham report for two terms at the center of the debate for 18 years: “unit cohesion” and “readiness.”
It seems that, despite Secretary Gates description of delay as ‘irresponsible’ today in his press conference with Admiral Mullen, and despite the in-depth nature of the report and its accompanying analysis, opponents of DADT repeal have two things to hang their hat(e)s on:
1. The report is terribly flawed.
2. We need more time to study it in detail.
Does anyone else see tension between these two arguments?? I mean, if the report is flawed, why not simply vote against repeal and be done with it? Why take more time to study a flawed report?
Of course, these aren’t reasonable objections and, as such, shouldn’t be held up for examination for logical consistency. I just think repeal opponents have reached funny-papers status. They remind me of the kid who says, “This ice cream really sucks, can I have more please?”



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There are simply no more excuses, and only their circular logic remains.
The bigots can always hang their hats from the huge cobs they have shoved into their asses.
I think we need some more studies first. /snark
stewartm, believe me, you don’t know how frustrating it gets…
In their closets, alongside their secret lives.
You’re dissing both logic and circles….
They’ll just flat out lie, like McCain’s been doing all along.
Hey, if they want to continue DADT, they’ll just do so. They don’t need no excuses. They’re the PTB!
Secretary Gates left opponents of Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell repeal hardly any pegs on which to hang their hats. He also tried to goose the Senate into action this year with the threat of ‘judicial fiat’ of sudden repeal.
To be fair they never had no pegs, logic or facts just a lot of teen girl hysterical type screaming when a boy walks into the shower.
they’ll scream about spousal benefits, homos at the service academies, security clearances, and sadly, all it’s going to take is some homophobic n’er do well to scream “sexual harassment !” and they’ll be off to the races
time for a diversion…
One of the key findings in the report is that a whopping 74 percent of spouses of military service-members say repeal of DADT would have no impact on their view of whether their husbands or wives should continue to serve.
That number should be 100% if I were married to someone in the army I would much rather my straight wife go out drinking with women at a Gay bar rather than with woman at a straight bar.
Why I would worry about her being tempted by other men. If she finds a girl well that would not worry me much either she likes me and was curious or it was never going to work out and I’m better off.
too true.
irrational behaviour is easy to rationalize…these toe tapping closet cases will not change their minds. just need 2 or 3 R’s to break ranks and vote on cloture…would be a good x-mas present, but hard to get the hopes up with these clowns in charge.
left you something downstairs
Does anyone else see tension between these two arguments?
Tension? Those 2 arguments logically contradict each other both those statements cannot be true.
That link about TARP disclosure? Yep, I saw that. Thanks. :)
The armed forces I thought already had a sexual harassment problem. :)
the tension that dare not speak its name…
Does anyone else think John McCain protests a bit too much? Did he go Gay to survive being a War Prisoner?
McCain has shown a willingness to Hug Bush after Bush’s Campaign spread the Rumor his adopted daughter was his bastard. McCain used to support immigrant rights then the Tea Baggers turned him.
McCain will do what ever it takes to win and he always submits to authority.
The “commity” of the Senate really pisses me off. Especially as it’s only the most left leaning of Senators making all of the compromises and surrendering the most. I want Al Franken to stand up and start bitch slapping these bigoted assholes and calling them what they are. I get so sick of these idiotic Senators going on the pundit shows and saying that their “good friends” are “honest brokers” and so forth when, in the end, they always, ALWAYS vote as a bloc.
Hmmm. A diversion…I don’t know, maybe a document dump…I know! A big leak of State department cables would be perfect!
I don’t know who the “they” is you’re referring to, but keep in mind DOMA is still federal law so spousal benefits for homosexuals in the military is currently a moot point. The canard about security clearances is decades old and non-operational if there is no prohibition on homosexual service. Regarding a cry of “sexual harassment,” cries of rape and sexual assault by women serving in the military don’t seem to even raise an eyebrow, so how much more damaging could a cry about same-sex harassment be?
I’ve been told by a usually-unreliable source that the more polite a Senator is when speaking of or to a colleague, the more insulting the speech is. I don’t know whether that calls for a pinch of salt, a one-pound carton, or a forty-pound bag.
“U.S. combat forces have voiced strong reservations about the effects on readiness of allowing open gays in the ranks, the Pentagon said Tuesday in a report that is likely to influence a Senate vote on whether to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, in releasing a study he ordered to meet President Obama’s directive to end the ban on gays in the military, disclosed that the chiefs of the Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Army disagree with the report’s conclusion that the impact on combat readiness would be “low.”
Nearly 60 percent of Army and Marine Corps warriors said open homosexuals in the ranks would damage war-fighting capabilities, the study found.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/nov/30/front-line-fighters-wary-of-repealing-dont-ask/
Then shake ye in fear of the homo! We’z SO ENTIRELY POWERFUL!
Strange how such “pansies” inspire so much fear amongst you and your type. Why not just beat us up?
Same-sex harassment of men is a great deal more serious than rape of female servicemembers!
/wingnut
Democrats only have 56 now, and Pryor’s said he’ll vote no, so likely no on cloture. It’s really hard to see how they get to five: Collins, Snowe, Scott Brown, maybe Lugar and Voinovich.
But then there’s Ben Nelson and Blaaaaaaaanche to worry about….
Oh, give him a sixpack, his ankles will be in air in no time, just like every other Marine warrior I’ve ever met.
Face it. We are doomed until a liberal shift rocks the country. Until then the reality-deniers, conservatives, fundamentalists of all ilks, and non-cognoscenti will have their way ruiningg life for decent folk.
Teddy, how do I forward to you the evil and useless e-mail I just got from OFA, telling me to “add my name to the President’s call to repeal DADT”?
This craven piece of crap deserved full filleting here at the Lake.
Forwarded it to FDL action and FDL “general number,” with a request that they send it on to you, but don’t know if that will happen.
““U.S. combat forces have voiced strong reservations about the effects on readiness of allowing open gays in the ranks, the Pentagon said Tuesday in a report that is likely to influence a Senate vote on whether to repeal the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.”
So what? They did with blacks, Japanese Americans, indians and women.
“from the Witt decision: ” The evidence produced at trial overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that the suspension and
discharge of Margaret Witt did not significantly further the important government interest in advancing unit morale and cohesion. To the contrary, the actions taken against Major Witt had the opposite effect. The 446th AES is a highly professional, rapid response, air evacuation team. It is comprised of flight nurses and medical technicians who are well-trained, well-led and highly motivated. They provide a vital service to our fighting men and women around the world. Serving within that unit are known or suspected gay or lesbian service men and women. There is no evidence before this Court to suggest that their service within the unit causes problems of the type predicted in the Congressional findings of factreferenced above. These people train together, fly together, care for patients together, deploy together. There is nothing in the record before this Court suggesting that the sexual orientation (acknowledged or suspected) has negatively impacted the performance, dedication or enthusiasm of the 446th AES. There is no evidence that wounded troops care about the sexual orientation of the flight nurse or medical technician tending to their wounds…….
For the reasons expressed, the Court concludes that DADT, when applied to Major Margaret Witt,
does not further the government’s interest in promoting military readiness, unit morale and cohesion. If DADT does not significantly further an important government interest under prong two of the three-part test, it cannot be necessary to further that interest as required under prong three. Application of DADT therefore violates Major Witt’s substantive due process rights under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
You can assume if the military won’t do it, the courts will. And I thought we were fighting to uphold the US Constitution. Is that a myth as well? I suggest it is the homophobes in the military that are the issue!