After today’s Armed Forces Committee second hearing, during which two service chiefs said their branches wouldn’t welcome and weren’t ready for open service, it appears that hopes for repeal of Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell have faded. There’s a calendar problem, too — but mainly, it seems that the Marines and Air Force service chiefs gave repeal opponents the ammunition they need to stop this thing.
The maneuvering for floor time comes as two senior service branch officials — Marine Commandant Gen. Jim Amos and Air Force chief of staff Gen. Norton “Norty” Schwartz — told the Senate Armed Services Committee Friday they do not recommend Congress allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, at least for now. Although they would implement the law if passed, they said.
“Based on what I know about the very tough fight on the ground in Afghanistan, the almost singular focus of our combat forces as they train up and deploy into theater, the necessary tightly woven culture of those combat forces that we are asking so much of at this time, and finally the direct feedback from the survey, my recommendation is that we should not implement repeal at this time,” Amos said.
“My best military judgment does not agree with the study assessment that the short-term risk to military effectiveness is low,” Schwartz said, adding that full implementation of repeal should not occur until 2012.
While the Navy and Army Chiefs agreed that repeal could occur without disruption, it appears that the Administration’s appetite for other December goodies — a deal on the Bush tax cuts, ratification of START II, passage of the DREAM Act, and some accommodation for the unemployed — will likely crowd out DADT repeal. . . .
Any chance for passage now rests with the Obama administration, and how much it wants to push to lift the ban, especially given other concerns, such as the START nuclear arms reduction treaty. But advocates Friday were not enthusiastic.
“I’m very concerned that the White House waited too long to move, Democrats have not pushed hard enough, and that the pressure to do tax cuts, unemployment and START mean this won’t get done,” Richard Socarides, an attorney who consulted with the Clinton White House on gay rights issues, told POLITICO.
“Republicans will have to agree to cooperate,” he added. “What’s the chance of that?”
But President Barack Obama will have to get involved to make it happen, said another gay advocate, Justin Elzie, a former Marine who outed himself on national television in 1993 and was the first Marine removed under the policy.
“We’d like him to pick up the phone and make some phone calls,” Elzie said.
AmericaBlogGAY points out that the Majority Leader has some home-state priorities as well:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is pushing behind the scenes for lame-duck legislation that would allow poker games over the Internet but restrict initial licenses to casinos and racetrack operators that have been in businesses at least five years.
Some of the biggest casino operators in Reid’s home state of Nevada are eager to get a piece of the online gambling industry, which generates an estimated $5 billion a year for offshore operators.
Congratulations to Senator James Webb (D-Va) for raising the human element during today’s hearings, largely missing and overlooked by all participants:
Indeed, when Senator James Webb today asked the Service Chiefs a simple question about the gay human beings impacted by this discriminatory policy, everyone at the hearing acted a bit startled. Webb asked: What should we do with gay patriotic Americans who have already served our country for years, and want to lead free and open lives? Everyone looked uncomfortable, as if Webb had gone way off topic.
Yes, what SHOULD we do? After all this year’s DADT sturm-und-drang, are we to do NOTHING about open service for these loyal patriots who serve in silence? And in no way accommodate those discharged under this disruptive policy? Does the president’s promise — and the Speaker’s — mean NOTHING?
Apparently, it’s all about to wind down, with hardly a whimper.
UPDATE: This can’t be good news.
The White House called a meeting Friday afternoon to assure gay rights advocates that there’s no deal for President Barack Obama to sidetrack the effort to dismantle the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, even though time is quickly winding down in the lame-duck Congress, sources familiar with the session said.
About a dozen gay rights activists were summoned to the session, which lasted just over an hour and occurred in one of the federally-owned buildings facing Lafayette Park across from the White House, according to a participant.
Oh, jeebus:
A source said the White House staffers at the session, who included Office of Public Engagement director Tina Tchen, her deputy Brian Bond, and legislative affairs aide Chris Kang, told repeal advocates that Senate action on the defense bill containing language repealing “don’t ask” might not come next week in part because of a judicial impeachment trial.
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One gay rights advocate said Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett – one of the president’s confidantes – was expected at the session, but she did not attend, according to another source.
During the session, the White House aides also criticized some advocates for having shared word of the meeting with the press, the attendee said.




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To The Courts, Teddy. To The Courts!
But, but President Fierce Advocate has been telling us all along that repeal is the way to go.
See my update to the post above, Jim.
When they tell you at this WH that they are still working hard on something, and to stop talking to the press about the meetings they are having with you, the game is over.
SCOTUS will defer to the executive branch’s need to wage war tidily, without court interference, eventually. That’ll leave a bunch of servicemembers out and facing court-martial and discharge, for sure.
What? These activists want more than cocktail weenies on a Friday afternoon at a federally-owned building facing Lafayette Park across from the White House?
The nerve of some people . . .
I think its absolutely pathetic that there is even a contentious debate at all on the issue of repealing DADT. Its such a no-brainer, but then again I consider myself a rational thinking human being (not tooting my own horn by any means)… we seem to be lacking several of those in American government.
I would never have the guts to voluntarily join the armed services, so I welcome anyone and everyone that volunteers to go in my place; gay, straight, bi.. we are all Americans.
the president should get tough with the GOP and fight for the american people as a black man he should really value equal rights for everyone if not we should elect someone new in 2012
This has been billed as a Waterloo moment for DADT. I understand that St. Helena is a fine vacation destination this time of year.
Two decades of crap leadership by conservative homosexuals on same sex marriage and gays in the military has led us to serial defeats all while public support for jobs and housing protections for LGBT is off the charts.
Will there be any consequences or will those wealthy enough to finance the leadership of our movement demand the right to continue running it into the ground?
-marc
No cocktails wienees for them — they leaked news of the WH meeting, for which apparently they were scolded!
We’ve really been led into the wrong battles entirely, haven’t we?
Jobs & housing: the American people are with us, by huge majorities. And yet no Congressional action at all.
Open service we’ve fought for these eighteen years, and we finally have the American people with us, but to no avail in this Congress (likely) and certainly never the next.
Marriage? The American people are hardly with us at all, yet our DeeCee activist organizations have made this their big fight.
What’s wrong with this picture when the fights we could win aren’t the fights we’re fighting, and the fights we can hardly win get all our energy, money, and political capital?
Why? Because it keeps “activists” atop the DeeCee organizations raising money, employed, and eating cocktail wienies. That’s why.
It seemed to me that after watching the hearings that Ted Turner had struck again and colorized ” Dr. Strangeglove. ” The Air Force he-bull was a doppleganger for General Ripper and the Marine looked just like the crazy colonel who got WW-3 started. How about a humane [?] alternative, let`s go Greek, really old Greek. With the exception of Spartarite elite at The Hot Gates pass, the Thebans had the finest fighting force in all the Greek world.They were known as the Theban Band. 100% gay they fought like demons. They fell to a man when the Macedonians overwhelmed them,out numbering them at the end 5 to 1. Why not have our own Theban band. We could call it the Boys in the Band band. Like fighting Philip there would be no thoughts from them of quitting since we all know what the Afghan Tallibanders thinks of gays. You may think I am being satirical at best or truely homophobic at worst; however think again. Fredrick Douglas never complained about 165,000 black soldiers fighting in segregated units. He knew their exploits would be magnified and bring on post war advancement for all blacks. If we saw gay men comming home blinded,crippled,or in flag draped coffins,this childish fear of gay men would not be so Tea party Chic. DADT would then change to gay veterens telling the world,” What I do in the dark is my business and if you don`t like it you can kiss my shot up rear end.”
Zenostoa
Yes, that’s my understand, too.
Anger: Oh! Christ!
Denial: Oh, Christ!
Resignation: Oh….Christ.
Acceptance: Christ, oh….
Unfortunately some cannot get past Denial.
My Dear Synoia, Seldom is my prose critiqued in Haiku. Your cryptic and Coptic message got by me . [ not altogether a difficult even considering my dementia post-cox.] I intend to set up a recruiting station at South Beach, Soho, The Castro, and the republican party executive committee head quarters. That office must have the biggest closet on Earth.
Zenostoa
As I pointed out a few posts ago, and as you and I know, DADT repeal is just a tactic whereby the President claims he doesn’t have the power to stop this discrimination, though he actually does have that power.
I thought it significant that 30% of the Military, and 48% of frontline Army, and 58% of frontline USMC are so incompetent, hateful, and disloyal, that they will not comply with simple human decency.
The chiefs of the Army and the Marines are not going to like it when the courts shove it down their throats under a violation of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution, aka as “due process”!
Any commander who can’t lead does not belong in the position.
I sure would not like to be leading a bunch of homophobes!
Marines are simply following the orders of their Chief, who opposes repeal. USMC is the most hierarchical of the services, most inculcated to follow orders at all times (since Marines are sent to their deaths, they need to be trained to follow orders better than the other branches). Since the head of the outfit says he’s opposed to repeal, his grunts have no option but to agree with him.
This comes down to leadership; why Obama picked a Marine Chief who opposes repeal is mysterious at best.
Well, Congress will get the Chiefs their non-wish. There’s hardly any question that the lower Courts will impose repeal. You can’t make a constitutional argument against it. SCOTUS will surely find a way, though.
I though even most of the Marines didn’t have a problem. (When 70 percent of the service members polled don’t have a problem with repealing DADT, maybe it’s time to repeal it and tell the old fogies to retire or shut up.)
And you know, goddamnit, it is not those of us queers lucky enough to be living on the Blue Coasts who are put in daily survival danger due to homophobia in the housing market or the workplace.
No, it is those poor suckers living in the flyover who have to deal with the crap that so many of us picked up and migrated away from to avoid.
You will not see any of the A-gays who nurse off of the teat of the HRC living in any of those states where homophobia can still be expressed in the life-essentials marketplaces.
The HRC leadership enjoys basic protections, so the national campaign begins with what they, not the majority of us, lack. But then again, when was the last time that the HRC polled the community to determine our priorities? It was the 1990s, and the top two were job and housing protections. Just try to get those crosstabs from the HRC!
bush used the office to wage 2 wars and loot the treasury.. the fact that obama cannot use the office to end dadt with a single command is a LIE.