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According to Salon’s Justin Elliot (read after ad here) chaos erupted at the bedbug-infested CPAC conference tonight when the results of the presidential preference straw poll were announced, and Congressman Ron Paul (R-NotVasectimized) won, for the second year in a row.
That marks the libertarian Texas congressman’s second win in a row. Just as he did last year, Mitt Romney came in second, with 23 percent to Paul’s 30 percent. This mirrors 2010′s poll almost exactly, when Paul got 31 percent and Romney 22 percent.
When the results were officially announced, CPAC’s main hall erupted in cheers and boos, with Paul supporters trying to out-shout the disappointed majority.
Ah, yes, shouting after losing. Another charming feature of the conservative mindset: “Stop the Count“, etc.
Funny to see how the actual second tier (which is where our Watchdog Political Media always places Paul pere) of potential nominees shakes out, too:
Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, whose libertarian message largely overlaps with Paul’s, and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie tied for third with 6 percent each. Newt Gingrich got 5 percent. Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty got just 4 percent. Also with 4 percent were Michele Bachmann and Mitch Daniels, Indiana’s governor. Sarah Palin, who did not attend CPAC, got 3 percent, while former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain greceived 2 percent, as did Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.
Make mine a Santorum Pizza, Jeebus!
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Oh. You. Did. Not. With. The Santorum.
Heh!
The American Street knows they have been lied to.
both of our corrupt political parties
all of our corrupt controlled media
This ain’t no party
This ain’t no disco
This ain’t no fooling around
It is good to see the libertarians getting 30% and 6% respectively. That is a third of CPAC. If Paul runs I will be voting for him. I see it as the best way to change this country for the better. No candidate will perfectly line up with their voter.
It would be interesting to see how Paul handles the actual governing part. Everyone runs on the fringe until they have to hold a government together.
I look forward to him in the debates. They will be doing their homework this time but it wont matter. Paul excels at thrashing neo-cons. It is quite fun watching it. I bet Lyndsy Graham has some choice words. If the Republicans put up Romney they are doomed to fail and Obama gets another term.
The way I see it The republicans will pick up the senate and keep the house. If a neo-con gets elected; it is game over.
That Cheney heckling warmed my heart. I’m glad that someone is speaking out against the warmongers. Too bad it’s not the Dems.
For that matter, too bad the Dems are acting so much like corporatist neocons that it takes something from CPAC to cheer me up.
Until I read your last sentence. Yuck.
It’s a 2% pizza: pizza with Santorum and Jeebus, Huckleby
Ron Paul won’t run.
He’ll endorse Gary Johnson.
Superb handle, and welcome!
It’s Little Ricky Santorum’s “google problem” and will probably cripple his campaign, should it actually need crippling.
And deservedly so, but using the word in combination with pizza was more than I could handle :)
Is this condescending enough?
More here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/12/AR2011021204403.html?hpid=topnews
I hope those kids aren’t gullible enough to back off on their anti-war and pro-civil liberties stance in exchange for vague promises of hope and change :)
Somebody has to start holding the major parties accountable.
If the libertarians would change their “get rid of government” philosophy to “a government that works for the people” one, they’d really be onto something.
Why won’t Ron run he had the best internet fundraising machine next to Obama in the last Presidential Primary and the way Obama has been disappointing the Left well Obama can’t expect that to happen again.
Ron has to beat Sarah to win first in the GOP Primary Sarah get no Libs if Ron runs but she can get the Religious fundy voters and they control the GOP Primaries in many states.
The CPAC poll is GOP insiders though normally its a who can buy the most votes poll thats why Mitt did so good.
But Ron did not improve his standing with GOP insiders the fact he did so well this time and last time shows he has support and he will get more if the economy stays bad.
Still his Stormfront ties would make it easy for Obama to get African American voters to come out in droves.
Unions too the last thing unemployed people want to hear is more job cuts and less government spending.
None of us antiwar types here will vote for him from what I’ve seen in the comments at FDL.
However Mitt, Newt, Jeb can’t beat Sarah in a GOP primary. Ron can but he needs to get the Tea Baggers away from Sarah. Ron needs the hardcore Racist GOP vote and the Libs to beat Sarah’s Religious Fundy voters.
Ted thinks Ron will act logical me I’m hoping for more GOP civil war:)
Dying party meets candidate with a significant support from young voters.
Dunno what Ron Paul will do but he now has tremendous leverage over the GOP.
Young voters aren’t into known unknowns. And they don’t dig ex-navy pilots singing geopolitical remixes of Beach Boys songs.
You wonder if next year, CPAC sends out ‘Paul Supporters Not Invited’ notices. I definitely have this image of all of these guys banging their heads on the wall saying “Who let THEM in?”
Yes, he did, and it was great! Haha
Republicans in disarray!
But, of course, this is good for Republicans. Somehow.
The true left has a lot in common with Paul. A lot not in common too, but there’s a lot of commonality. Kucinich and Paul mirror each other on a lot of issues.
Hard to believe that anyone would hand power to the GOP again….? Where are the jobs????
Funny, funny, funny! No Teabaggers, no NeoCons in the lead. Just too darn funny!
Paul, “Get rid of the Fed!” Just too darn funny!
headed out the door (it’s 71 degrees here after 2 weeks of sub freezing temps) here’s a side of schadenfreude to go with your breakfast
Shirley Sherrod is suing Andrew Breitbart ……. she had him served at CPAC !
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/us/politics/13cpac.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss
The TPers will be in the lead by 2012. Just give the Kochs another year to fix it up.
we need a peace and freedom alternative to the reps and dems in 2012
Gosh, is The Dick Cheney’s mechanical Darth Vader heart still keeping him on the lecture circuit?
That lady has balls.
Paul’s position on abortion and free market capitalism make it impossible for any true progresssive to vote for him. What we need is a third party candidate that encompasses the good from Paul and the good rhetoric from Kucinich (I still think Dennis is the ultimate caver). Good luck finding that person. I’m writing in Jane.
Johnson is weird, but he DOES support marijuana legalization.
He was a pretty good governor and could possibly break the fake left/right BS we’re seeing in DC these days.
I don’t think they’ run him tho. I think they’ll run Gingrich or Pence….keep the good times of civil rights for the corporations going
Along with GOPride and any stray Mooslims.
“Still his Stormfront ties would make it easy for Obama to get African American voters to come out in droves.”
I don’t see why. The AA voter knows she/he has been punked as badly as the rest of US
Obama might be the worse President for AA since Herbert Hoover but no AA will not be scared of a President with Stormfront ties. Ron runs AA gun sales will go up huge.
Well, this time it will all Citizens United all the time
Let’s draft Jane!
Badly, at that
For Sarah not necessarily Ron they like corporate welfare.
Maybe not. the TPer’s seem to be a bit rogue with their joining of Kucinich in stopping the
surveillance provisions of the Patriot Act…..even for a moment.
Greenwald sez it best:
The Tea Party and civil liberties
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/02/09/tea_party
Really hits the nail
CPAC has become a freak show…..amusing yet dangerous
Back in 2007, Ron Paul had some controversial (to be polite) ideas about slavery. http://www.google.com/search?q=ron+paul+slavery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1RNFA_en___US374 I thought I saw something more recently, but can’t find it. I’ve also seen some other truly outre positions of his on other subjects. All this will be raised if he gets anywhere near being a candidate. And while it will be a full-popcorn event, he hasn’t got a chance. He’s too much of an ideologue to hide his real opinions.
I think the most interesting thing to come out of the Conservative Confab is the inability of the Thug PTB to control the outcome. This never happens in Republikland, and they don’t know exactly how to deal with it, hence the booing and the dismissal of Paul’s candidacy. Paul’s constituency are deeply misguided — we see them trolling here on a regular basis –but they are not as cynical as the standard issue CPAC type, and just as the Trotskyites moved to the far right, they may well end up on the far left at some future date (God forbid). In the mean time, they have organizational skills that will sustain them. The cynical right cannot run down the Libertarian programme using mass advertising without hurting their own programme, which is essentially the same.
This fuss is all about power. The policies are like peas in a pod. This is about who gets first dibs on the public loot.
I’m telling ya the big political story of 2012 is gonna be when the ‘baggers run Paul or one of their other wingnuts as an indy.
Wow, I’d forgot all about that.
That’s where you’ll see the schism between the original secular-libertarian Tea Partiers and the Koch-Armey-financed/run GOP groups, which are far more religious-right-oriented.
Gentle readers, I draw your attention to the fact that Tim Pawlenty, who has spent the last four-plus years since November of 2006 working on nothing but his runs for the presidency — sucking up to the Neo-Confederates, trashing the state’s infrastructure, getting the 2008 RNC in St. Paul for his expected anointing as McCain’s running mate (you cannot imagine how much it still frosts him that Gluehorse thought with his little head yet again and took Palin) — is polling the same as Michele Bachmann, who only announced her kinda-sorta-maybe desire to run for president early last month.
What does this tell you?
The Ron Paul ‘baggers are still furious at the way they were treated in 2008. I hear it all the time. The legendary Republican unity might not stand up for much longer. So far they’ve hated liberals more than each other. I’m not sure that’s true anymore.
I’m late to the party. However, I’ve already fallen out of the chair from laughing os hard. Neutered Newt – 5%, Tinfoil Hat Girl – 4%, Princess Dumbass of the North – 3%, Chucklehead Huck – 2%.
How’s that whole splintered party thing workin’ out for ya, Repugnant party brass?
Damn! I fell out of the chair again.
“So far they’ve hated liberals more than each other. I’m not sure that’s true anymore.”
Way too funny. Hell, this is almost PPV-level entertainment.
Is that kinda like there is no way a black man named Hussein with ties to Islam and a preacher that says “God Damn America!” could ever be President?
Paul is an enemy of the Fed and an advocate for government by consent of the governed. He would dismantle the Empire and end the war on drugs.
But I don’t want him in the Oval Office. I want him at Treasury with Kucinich in the Oval Office and Nader at Justice.
“What does this tell you?”
It tells me that we’re in for some Class-A Comedy…
False equivalency, since O never said God damn America & has always personally espoused conservative positions. Ron Paul not at all. He’s been extreme in many areas bedsides slavery, and unlike Pawlenty, seems unlikely to back down when confronted with his past statements.
I like it. And having him served at the wingnut convention was an extra-special touch.
Speaking of wigged-out conservatives, here’s Doonesbury, getting in a good lick at them:
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/doonesbury
“Mr. Vice President. Time to go out on stage and deliver that red meat. Everyone stand back. CLEAR!! ”
“Feeling all energized now? Good. Now remember, Don’t shoot anyone in the face again.”
More likely he’s a mascot who pretends to be all that, without actually ever accomplishing it. Like Kucinich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0
Eh, mostly just another unrealistic statement.
I’d think the fact that he chills with the Birchers would be of greater concern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaGY3XUY-Kc
Anyway, Ron Paul’s primary value probably boils down to him beating on the banks and taking an anti-war position in the Republican debates. If the Rethugs ever want a youth vote, they’re gonna have to put the neocons back in the closet.
Ron would surely be in favor of the same insane policy his kid Rand is, doing away with the EPA for example. That’s the problem with these guys, for every teaspoon of sugar (ending the Fed) you get a matching teaspoon of rat poison.
Stop it with the “make it impossible for any true progressive to vote for him” bullshit. Now you are the final arbiter of what “true” progressives can and can’t do?
I’m far enough to the left to not want to call myself a progressive and I’ll be voting for Paul in a Republican primary if I get that the chance. Or Kucinich in a Democratic one, but that isn’t happening. Keep your weird ur-fascism notion of a “true” progressive to yourself.
Ron Paul will stop the Wars & Occupations and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will make large cuts in the Military and CIA and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will end CIA Renditions/Torture, and the “Patriot Act” and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will stop NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will stop bailing out Wall Street crooks and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will expose the Central Bank Monopoly fraud, and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will end the Drug Wars and Obama won’t.
Ron Paul will support government whistleblowers and Obama won’t.
Meanwhile Obama’s new budget already seeks to cut off Pell grants, Home Heating Oil for the poor, and he is on record for seeking to gut Social Security — all as he continues to waste Trillions of Dollars of our money overseas on futile Foreign Occupations and War.
For people who think that Obama is a “Democratic” President, he is not. He is more right-wing in terms of policies than Ronald Reagan ever was, and worse than Richard Nixon. And he is the equal of Dick Cheney and Bush on Foreign Policy (just will slightly softer rhetoric).
So the choice comes down to either a Neocon right-winger (Obama) or a pro-peace, anti-WallStreet Libertarian (Ron Paul).
Ron Paul is the best hope at this time that this Country has.
You just don’t understand (and the Media didn’t as well).
What Ron Paul was saying is that other Countries (such as Britain) also ended their slavery — but without having a Civil War, and he was simply suggesting that the American civil war could have been avoided. Whether that is true or not can be debated in a collegial manner — without just making-up the false suggestion that he was on the side of slavery (which is what the thought-police try to do).
Lincoln even said that he feared the Bankers far more than the South. It was the Bankers who sought to divide America (through cotton trade and slavery) to weaken it. A battle with the Banking powers may have acheived better results (less bloodshed).
We’re getting nothing but Rat poison with Obama (a Reagan-Bush-WallStreet DINO).
At least Ron Paul would bring a stop to the Wars, Foreign Occupations, and the wasting Trillions of dollars of our money overseas (and also on Wall Street crooks).
That’s significant, and would be a start in actually repairing our Country. Besides, all the agencies have been just co-opted by the Corporatists, and they fail to work for the true public interest anymore — and the DOJ and the Courts always side withe Corporations when push comes to shove.
So lets stop the Wars, stop NAFTA, stop the Corporatism, and bring it on. Obama has proven to be a right-wing, Neocon failure.
Don’t be fooled.
Libertarians are not healthy for this country. Yes, their foreign policy views appear closer to the Left, but don’t forget the terrible things that the Tea Party wants to do at home are all Libertarian ideas.
If Paul got into the White House he’d be powerless to change foreign policy much with the entire establishment resisting him. But he’d have a great wind at his back to end Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Union Pensions, Food Lunch Programs and Federal Subsidizing the States.
But Kucinich would have universal health care that is single payer and Paul would end Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.
Paul only appears to be anti-bank. What he is totally against is any Federal subsidies or bail outs. But what he is also for is NO REGULATION and NO TAXATION of corporations. Yes, that means that the banks that messed up would fail, to be bought up by another corporation that would monopolize the entire economy with nothing to impede its rule.
I was impressed by the way she turned down the admin’s self-serving job offer. I’ve also been impressed by the way she’s has handled herself since. Now this.
She has the courage of her convictions and principles that don’t bend based on political expediency, that beats any of the hacks we’ve got now.
Maybe she should run for office.
Paul isn’t going to be any improvement over the corp-rats who run the country now. You can’t balance the budget without cutting the military sector, and he can’t do that.
Fuck Paul and the libertarians.
They’re saying ‘I’ve got mine, too bad for the rest of you’, every time they talk about how bad SS and Medicare and other social programs are (they’ll take the money from them, though, which makes them hypocrites as well).
Stop and look at that ‘no regulation and no taxation’ bit.
That’s what’s gotten us into the mess we’re in: the corporations no longer are held to account, their profits are hidden when they aren’t being handed to their CEOs, and they laugh at laws.
This is not good for anyone except said CEOs, and anyone who thinks it’s the way to go is clearly on the side of the corporations.
Thats all good stuff, but the Devil’s bargain will be no EPA, Board of Ed, privatized Soc Sec, Medicare, and no abortion funding. It’s just too much to swallow.
I know, these numbers are hysterical.
Only about a third of the CPAC attendees actually voted, which makes me wonder why they have the straw poll at all. There probably won’t be one next year, as they’ll have a nominee, but we can look forward to all kinds of fun “guidance” regarding a Veep choice by then!
I like your parallel universe.
The truth is that Ron Paul stands the best chance of defeating Obama because he would attract the votes of liberal independents and liberal Democrats. However, the establishment media will drill it into primary voters’ heads that he is not a serious candidate because he is not faithfully devoted to maintaining the malignant, corporatist status quo.
Yeah, I understand that. Don’t care.
Show me a viable path to challenging the economic status quo from the left within the next ten years and I’ll reconsider. The madness has to stop, and if throwing in with the paultards once in a while is what it takes so be it.
Libraries, roads, parks — everything will operate like the arcade at the state fair, via tokens we purchase with our tax-free income. It’ll be Somalia, with lots more detritus: poorly maintained vehicles, uncollected trash and recycling, flooded highways and unplowed snow.
Ok. So keep swallowing 100% corporate poison instead of less.
No imagination.
There are other types of poison.
So where is this statement of RP’s extreme, or pro slavery?
“REP. PAUL: Oh, come on, Tim. Slavery was phased out in every other country of the world. And the way I’m advising that it should have been done is do like the British Empire did. You, you buy the slaves and release them. How much would that cost compared to killing 600,000 Americans and where it lingered for 100 years? I mean, the hatred and all that existed. So every other major country in the world got rid of slavery without a civil war. I mean, that doesn’t sound too radical to me. That sounds like a pretty reasonable approach.”
Bullcrap!
The regulation was killed by Clinton; TBTF is a Democrat idea.
We are subjected to the ‘libertarian’ modality as is, curtesy Democrats and Republicans in Congress.
RP’s views are nothing like what you project. Get informed!
I’ll vote for that ticket
As Commander in Chief, troop deployments will be directly under his control. He has already stated that he is in favor of closing down overseas military bases around the world (Germany, Japan, Italy, Middle East, ect..). He has already stated that he is in favor of bringing all the troops home. He has already stated that he is against funding European nations for weapons to defend against Russia. The military budget can easily be trimmed with Ron Paul in charge.
It’s good for us all if it nudges them in the right direction. If.
A lot of the things that would be dissolved in Libertopia (garbage collection, roads, etc) are primarily funded by the states, so Paul wouldn’t be too big of a threat there.
Obama’s working to defund SS and Medicare, so it’s a draw on that front.
I dunno. At least Paul would tell the nation the truth about Clinton’s (and every president’s dilemma regarding) “the federal reserve and a bunch of fucking bond traders” and how they have us by the balls and we have GOT to find a way out of this mess.
Speaking of CPAC … “CPAC Chief Is Partner In Law Firm Defending Foreclosure Mill, Served On Board Of Fannie Mae”” (Huffington Post, Zach Carter, Feb. 10, 2011, 04:02 PM)
This country is on the verge of full-on fascism, so if Paul is nominated, I will vote for him. I think a lot of other “true progressives” will, too. If we don’t get accountability on the bankster/mortgage backed security fraud issue, we will either devolve to fascism, or erupt into mid-60′s urban rioting and other destabilizing acts of proto-insurgency.
I have news for you. They’re already dead. They just haven’t announced it.
“Why won’t Ron run? He had the best internet fundraising machine next to Obama in the last Presidential Primary, and the way Obama has been disappointing the Left; well, Obama can’t expect that to happen again.”
It’s called punctuation. It sure makes reading your thoughts much easier.
Corporations aren’t paying taxes now, so WTF?
Why anyone believes that RP would behave progressively when he is an extremist ultra Right Wing nutter is beyond belief.
I guess some people believe the Left is so beaten down that they will buy the bogus Libertarian-Progressive BS.
The real enemy is Capitalism and anyone who supports the bogus Free Market is the problem not the solution.
Welcome to the world of repeated pleas to TCU that he/she employ punctuation. I’ve been [nicely] pleading for months, to no avail.
I try to emphasize that it’s sometime impossible to comprehend the thoughts TCU writes, because of the lack of punctuation, but, as i said, no success.
It’s not a “grammar criticism” or elitism, just a request for clarity.
So in a Paul vs Obama hypothetical election you would vote Obama? That is the core of the debate in this column. Who do you vote for in a hypothetical election. Does the R and D in front of the name matter?
I recommended her in the Malcontent’s presidential poll. I have a pretty good idea what her social policies would be, but no clue where she stands on foreign policy and ending the wars.
I doubt she’s really interested in running for President. Nevertheless, I admire her because she’s got the right stuff.
I hope and pray that Ron Paul runs. I will vote for him if he does. The left has failed. If our salvation needs to come from a Libertarian then so be it. I trust Ron Paul and distrust Obama beyond more than belief.
While I dislike Ron Paul’s economic views, I know he’ll end the wars and do what needs to be done. No one else can do that. No one else has the guts. The media may portray him as a loon, but look what they did to his son. They made him more popular than ever.
Obama is a failed brand and needs to go away. If he cares about the party, he should come out and say that he is not going to run for another term. I know he won’t do that because he has more fat cats to prop up.
He is such a sham. 2012 can’t come soon enough.
Go listen to Chris Hedges, he has it right. The left has failed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYCvSntOI5s
Well, the South would not have sold their slaves or given them up without a fight because their economy, wealth, and way of life was based on the institution of slavery. The wealthy Southern plantation owners would have rejected such an offer, voted to secede, and the war would have been on.
Andrew Jackson is the only president, I believe, who defeated the banksters and prevented the establishment of a central bank. He understandably regarded that as his major achievement and was extremely proud of it.
We need a revolution, not another managed election with pretty speeches, bright colored signs, and loud air horns.
Obama + a deal with Ron Paul =EQ= political knockout.
We need to be discussing how we’re going to topple this corruption infested excuse for a government rather than who is a better candidate than Obama to vote for in 2012.
Talking up a 10% total personal tax and no Social Security ???
He does that.
Knows better.
You live in Cairo ?
We have our problems, but this is not a dictatorship and our government is only as corrupt as the campaign finance system mandates.
“our government is only as corrupt as the campaign finance system mandates.”
Can you give me your definition of how bad this actually is?
To actually believe that Ron Paul would be good for America is delusional. In the Libertarian world the Rule of Law is the Gun. They would like us to become something less than what we are. They cater to primal instinct and are best suited to living in the Outback or the Wilderness where the law of the Survival of the Fittest rule. Our Society is certainly complex and has a yearning of more simplicity but voting for Paul and what he would bring is nothing short of Anarchy. We’re certainly stuck in a Conundrum. Few like Obama and all current options are less than preferable. We’ve for a year tried to find a Primary Candidate without success so it’s seem the only choice is to put pressure on Obama to change and ways we can put on that pressure. Talking about voting for Ron Paul won’t work as you just put yourselves into the fringe. I would like to see how a new movement within the Democratic Party could take hold. We all strive for something and this forum is achieving a part of the change. For any that don’t know of him check out The Norman Goldman Show. It’s the weaving of idea’s and media together and he’s been hitting on some practical ways of effecting real changes. Check out is 4 point strategy.
http://www.normangoldman.com/blog/blog-details.asp?BID=180
Can’t wait to see what KO comes up with. Was intrigued with an interview with Erica Payne of The Agenda Project
http://agendaproject.org/
Our only solution is to get more involved and not fractured and think there is one person who can bring about the change we want.
I live closer to Cairo, IL than Cairo, Egypt. Our government is 100% corrupt because that is what the “campaign finance system mandates.”
I despise our disgraceful and despicable government as it has no redeeming qualities whatsoever and I am determined to bring it down non-violently. I reject trying to change it from within and I respect no one who who goes along to get along inside or outside Obama and the Republican/Democrat pestilence.
“I would like to see how a new movement within the Democratic Party could take hold.”
You’re dreaming.
Shhh.. you’re messing up his fear mongering. He needs to convince us that although Obama is a corporate tool, we should fear the rise of Ron Paul and shouldn’t look outside our Democratic box.
Yes, Ron Paul on the whole is far from ideal, but you know what? I’m tired of dishonesty in politics. Ron Paul has consistently been on message and never deviates. I would put Dennis Kucinich on the same tier as Paul, but unfortunately since he sold out on health care, I can’t stand the man.
So what am I left with? Voting for Obama again? HA. Snowball’s chance in hell of that ever happening. I would rather see someone like Paul go in there, pull us out of all these wars and places we shouldn’t be. We need to take care of ourselves, not the world.
Said with fire, I love it!
I don’t think RP would live up to his antiwar pledges any more than BHO has. There is no way that electoral politics are going to save us from userous Capitalism.
The people who are pushing this meme are either deluded or are playing us for fools.
You may be trying to sell this pendejo Paul but i’m not buying.
The founding fathers my friends were slave holders and had no use for democracy.That should be pretty obvious when you look at the system they rigged so the conservatives among us would almost always have a leg up. They wanted a PLUTOCRACY one without titles so the unwashed masses couldn’t identify them the way they could the Lords and Ladies in England and France. My guess is many of them would be pretty happy with the way things have turned out.
I doubt a Ron Paul win would mean much at this point. Most if not all of the Republicans view him as a threat akin to a Democrat, as he is no fan of the Banks or the Fed. The President cannot force Congress to do his bidding.
Kucinich is a great, great guy, and he did not really sell out on Health Care. He has been the one guy in Congress who has been drafting detailed legal legislation (H.R. 676 Medicare-For-All, and a States single-payer bill), and perpetually raising the subject of a single-payer system publically to anyone who will listen.
He fought against Obama’s bill until the 11th hour, but he is not a Senator, and therefore does not have the power to fillibuster and stop the bill. So he decided that a bad bill with a few beneficial provisions was better than doing absolutely nothing at all. Had he voted No, the bill still would have passed anyway. Even Senator Bernie Sanders (socialist) voted for the final bill too.
But Kucinich is the one guy in Congress is always fighting for Medicare For All, and if more people supported Kucinich then we could actually get it.
I would like to see a Ron Paul-Dennis Kucinich alliance. That would change a lot of things….
Ron Paul is really against all these Wars, and CIA inventionism (atrocities). He never flinches, wavers, or retreats from that position — even when standing next to 8 Warmomgering Neocons on a TV platform.
Obama was always talking out of both sides of his mouth from day 1. Obama has no ideological framework, and allows his advisors & handlers (Neocons and Wall Street) to shape and form his policy agenda. This is also why nothing has changed and nothing will change with him (aside from getting worse).
Ron Paul writes books on policy. He understands the inner workings of the Central Bank Monopoly, and is well read on how our founding fathers viewed Foreign Policy (trade and diplomacy, but no entangling alliances and no “going abroad to look for monsters to destroy”). Ron isn’t getting advice from the think tanks, the CFR, and the CIA, he is smart enough to know the difference between American propaganda and the truth.
He would stop the Patriot Act.
He would stop NAFTA.
He would stop the Wars.
He would cutback the CIA.
He would expose the Federal Reserve Monopoly fraud.
This is a guy who has always been consistent.
Yea he is a consistant supporter of fringe White Supremacist groups also.
If you think he could or would do the things you list you need to send me some of the medication you are taking.
Teddy, you linked to coverage of Rand Paul rather than Ron Paul.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/rand-paul-cpac-speech-defense-budget_n_821797.html
Here’s Ron Paul’s speech at CPAC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM8d_Arjz6g