When a Democratic President continues to shove Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid back onto the negotiating table after being offered a clean debt ceiling deal by the Senate GOP, CNN polling shows liberals are taken aback:
“… 13 percent say they disapprove of Obama because he has not been liberal enough – nearly double what it was in May, when the question was last asked, and the first time that number has hit double digits in Obama’s presidency.”
Looking at that figure another way, roughly one in four Americans who disapprove of the president say they feel that way because he’s not been liberal enough.
Obama’s approval and renominate numbers are at their lowest point ever, as well:
Obama’s approval rating among liberals has dropped to 71 percent, the lowest point in his presidency. And the number of Democrats who want the party to renominate Obama next year, now at 77 percent, is relatively robust by historical standards but is also down a bit since June.
CNN polling director Keating Holland provides the “why:”
“It’s likely that this is a reaction to some of Obama’s recent actions, including his willingness to discuss major changes in Social Security and Medicare as part of the debt ceiling negotiations,” adds Holland.
Worth noting: this poll closed two days ago, before public notice from Senators Mikulski, Feinstein, and Cantwell that they weren’t on the same page as the president. Long-tenured, mainstream Democratic Senators’ complaints about the White House don’t reverse this polling trend: they amplify it.



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CNN: Obama Losing
LiberalsJust About Everyone over Bedrock Democratic Programshmmm…I didn’t realise there is no preview in the diaries, hopefully my edit will work
haha, the strike tag works!
anyway, I fixed your heading teddy, hope you don’t mind
We are all Firebaggers now.
And the big fool says Move On…we have seen this picture before. The last time we were singing that song the Pres announced he would not run….Keep it up.
Still trying to figure out why anyone listens to or cares about the credit rating agencies considering that three or four years ago they were literally being paid off to re-rate securities in a favorable way, ignoring their actual risk.
Does anyone remember that?
This whole debt ceiling business is something like watching Harry Potter movies. You know that one slick-backed hair kid is an evil dick, because his Dad is an evil dick (and they tell you this!) but no one seems to do anything about the kid, even though his dad is out actively being an evil dick. Replace son/dad with whatever political/financial agencies you like.
“Just About Everyone” is not filled with “preciness.” You need to write “92.5% of people” to apply the correct authoritarian fee of preciness.
Preciness: Precision with absolutely no accuracy at all (See Fox News Polls).
Hell. In my red state we have Republicans mad at Obama and Republicans for Safety net cuts. Just who is going to re-elect this dolt? There are still not enough Tea Party nuts to do the job.
“that one slick-backed hair kid is an evil dick, because his Dad is an evil dick”
in real life: The Murdochs
I remain baffled that the rating agencies are still in business and their executives roam free, unimprisoned.
MOTUs are free of laws.
Red states are, of course, where the most people depend upon federal spending for their direct income. As it cuts back, they’ll blame Obama without even realizing he’s in thrall to the teabagger they elected eight months ago.
If the Tea-O-P nuts were ever to start listening to someone other than Rush, they would realize what a danger he is to their interests as well. They might get hot enough to join the firebagger brigade.
thank you sir!
SHOCKING! No one could’ve predicted….
No, I don’t mind, although it’s not what this poll shows.
‘Bots always tell us that liberals and Democrats still support this President, but this poll shows that is not so. Only three-quarters of his party wants to renominate him; that’s very dangerous territory for an incumbent President just six months from the New Hampshire primary.
If only the cries of the people could penetrate the siren song of his corporate masters.
Pay Moody’s and they’ll give you a triple A rating for junk assets. If you don’t believe me, just ask the Banksters.
Actually, I’m surprised that it’s only 13% of liberals who disapprove of O. if that is factual, then he likely does see it as numerically acceptable to heave that 13% if he can pick up more moderate dems and independents.
Neo-Liberal Obama intends to destroy American Civil Society
In 1999, Peter Gowan described clearly the neo-liberal assault on civil society and democratic values effectively launched in the 1980s under the figureheads of Reagan and Thatcher. Obama has very consciously picked up the neo-liberal sword to wield against civil society, perhaps to have the honor of striking the fatal blow.
Gowan saw neo-liberalism as part of a World Domination project of the American propertied class – a truly unipolar project. This dominance would begin with dominance within ‘the core’ (e.g., Western Europe and Japan), which had not been definitively established. Gowan foresaw that such dominance would require renewing the core’s dependence on American military power.
In short, Obama intends to finalize the destruction of American civil society and democracy as we knew it (and the Democratic party used to defend) to ensure dominance of the American propertied class over all other propertied classes, and, of course, the rest of the world’s population.
From The Global Gamble: Washington’s Faustian Bid for World Dominance by Peter Gowan (1999):
“Liberals Versus Neo-Liberals
For decades, western liberals had seen a strong civil society as an integral element within the state acting as a countervailing force to the power of a secretive state executive and to market forces in determination of public policy. Civil society involved a network of associations and institutions, many of them supported by public funds, which exerted democratic pressures, calling both state executive bodies and big business to account.
And civil society was underpinned by a strong welfare state, providing through its education system, public health systems, public housing and other local services a minimum basis for citizenship. The role of civil society was a political one with a liberal democratic view of the state: to ensure that public policy was governed by wide discussion and public pressure by citizens through a myriad of civil associations and institutions. Civil society was integral to the state as a law-governed liberal democracy, while being always in tension with the state executive and with ‘the unacceptable face of capitalism’.
In the 1970s, the attack was rather crude: the cry went up that the state was too weak because of democratic overload. All the pressures from civil society (then called special interests) were making western countries ‘ungovernable’. In the 1980s the target and the aim remained the same, but the discursive tactics changed 180 per cent. Neo-liberalism was born and ‘the individual’ was being crushed by a rapacious state. The crusade was launched against ‘the state’ to free the individual, the economy and Uncle Tom Cobbley.
Traditional liberal suspicion of the state executive has been replaced by hostility towards the welfare state….
The neo-liberals also took up the language of civil society to turn the liberal concept on its head. Instead of being a network of associations and institutions for invigilating state executives and market forces and articulating collective interests and concerns, it was to become a mixture of big business charitable foundations and self-help institutions for the deserving poor on the one side; and archipelagos of unaccountable quangos for managing a depoliticized, privitised, publicly passive individual consumer on the other. The institutions of this neo-liberal civil society are above all there to ensure that the population stops prioritising the public welfare, stops looking for collective solutions to society’s problems. In the name of freeing the society (or the ‘individual’) from the (welfare) state, the social engineers of neo-liberalism have been attempting to free the state executive from social responsibilities and from accountability to civil society.
Power and policy can be the preserve of a strengthened private network of increasingly incestuous linkages between executive officials and big business people and media barons, to which members of parliament doff their caps in the hope of a ‘consultancy’ contract.
13% is closer to 1 in 10 than 1 in 4. Still it is good to see that 1 in 10 of my fellow Americans are reclaiming the word liberal.
It’s getting to the point though that even GOP folk I know are more “liberal” than Obama. They have come out for collective bargaining(mainly because they see attacks on it as attacks on the middle class) and for the social safety nets. They’ve embraced the idea of jettisoning some of our foreign entanglements.
No I’d almost have to say that the GOP may have moved themselves so far right so fast that they’ve failed to take a portion of the population with them and by virtue of that they’ve become a default part of “the left.”
O–the way you are governing, your legacy is going to be far less than stellar.
Take the clean debt offer and don’t try to overdo it. Your over-doings have mostly sucked. Think small.
Geez, my disallusionment began in earnest on 17 February 2009 with the so-called stimulus bill being signed.
Followed by his decision to not investigate, let alone prosecute, any of the actions of his predecessor. Then to embrace the most unacceptable of the anti-human rights policies of his predeccessor, and then in 2010 by the full of bad decisions Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, on March 30, 2010. Not even to mention his grand bargain on the so-called Frank-Dodd bill, signed 22 July 2010.
All of these exceptionally flawed pieces of legislation were shepherded by the President, and the sell-out sections in them were almost all made at the highest levels of government. The hallucinations by those who supported the President was that, in time, additional legislation would improve the shortcomings, but this totally ignorred the mood and actions from the right.
So I’ve had to conclude that Obama is really Bob Dole, at best. Never did have any use for Bob, either, and he was my Senator for years.
If SS and further Medicare cuts are made in this deal, Obama can kiss my vote goodbye. And I won’t dilute my vote by staying home or voting third party.
…or just raise the debt ceiling unilaterally. Make no cuts to socail programs and start fucking taxing the rich who caused the whole debt and deficit problem to begin with. Jesus Christ on his Throne, this is not rocket science, it’s common fucking sense.
Anger not directed at you, bluevistas.
Guilt (on several levels) and fear of the alternatives seems to be driving many of those who can’t bear to say that Obama is a big mistake and they are extremely disappointed in him. Of course, the belief that he is the best of the choses given also holds swing.
Sadly, due to the right wing propaganda machine, few in this country think anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan isn’t a raging liberal, while, in fact, there are few true liberals and progressives in public service today.
1 in 10 of your fellow liberals, you mean. Not 1 in 10 Americans.
CNN: “Obama ‘kind of a dick’.”
Ooops that comment was meant to you, cwaltz.
I’m amazed that so many think he should be re elected.
I personally think he’s been a disaster. Can’t think of a single reason to re elect him.
Maybe the poll says more about liberal’s tendency to piss, moan, and complain about everything than the president.
Pardon me, for many years, I thought liberals had more than a room temperature I.Q. and not taking News Corp as the Bible, were better informed then Right Wing conservatives. Guess I must stand corrected. How any thinking person can still back Obama, let alone think him a liberal, I suggest they start backing Allen West.
7 in 10 of my fellow Americans think he isn’t liberal enough.
The media just doesn’t frame it well enough for them to understand it. Wanting to increase tax cuts and wanting him to keep his hands off of the social safety programs says it all. In fact over half of my fellow Americans want us out of the ME and something like 6 in 10 felt the government should have offered a public option as a safety net and a hedge against private sector rising health care costs.
No, Americans may not realize it yet but many of them are just as liberal as me.
Spare us. Considering the right side of the aisle is in full blown temper tantrum mode I wouldn’t think that you’d be tossing stones.
Glass houses and all that.
I’m glad the left is finally waking up and saying heck no. It’s about friggin’ time.
You do not need a self-label of liberal or any other label to believe that Obama is endorsing destructive economic and destructive social welfare policies. He appears to be trying to undo FDR and subsequent positive society building Presidents’ programs. His reverence for supporting our bloated defense budget and wars is a complete disappointment. He seems to be anti-labor and pro-corporate welfare. Now he’s ready to buy into conservative ‘deficit’ crisis making around raising the debt ceiling, and willing to needlessly cut essential social programs. He already ‘privatized’ health reform by making it all flow through corporate insurance hands. What is there to like about what he is doing? Certainly not his continuation of destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan. Certainly not his continuation of Bush’s undoing of civil liberties, the Patriot Act, spying on citizens and amping up Homeland Security. This guy is a complete washout as far as I can see.
Just heard the meeting is now down to the Pres and Speaker BO
No, what the poll says (please read the linked article) is that of the 54% who disapprove of Obama, 13% of that number are those who think he’s not been liberal enough.
This is an entirely different measurement than:
Among liberals, his approval rating has dropped to 71%, the lowest ever.
The Progressive’s message to Obama:
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That’s not a meeting, that’s a conspiracy.
Obama is guilty of political malpractice. He was in a position after his election to expose the Republicans for the thieves and criminals that they are but he decided it was necessary to look forward. When you legitimize a criminal conspiracy you validate their extremism. He had the opportunity of making the Republican Party toxic for a generation instead he breathed life into what should have been a rotting corpse. He’s an abject failure on so many levels. The only hope for the country is to primary this Dr. Frankenstein.
well . . . there was this foul-mouthed fem blogger™
“If Blue Dogs like Cooper have been emboldened by the idea that the left will quietly accept Social Security reforms that include reductions in benefits because of Obama’s popularity, they have sorely deluded themselves.”
And just maybe the poll says that there are still a few of us out here that have the integrity to stand by our beliefs and our convictions.
Last I noticed, “piss, moan, and complain about everything” isn’t just a liberal thing. Those on the other end of the scale have an ability to do it far louder and with greater angst than any of the “liberals” out there.
Slow day at the WH, huh? It’s hard to be an intern, I’d imagine.
Highlighting facts is not to “piss, moan, and complain.” This economy is the worst it’s been since the GD, 50% of those in their 20s are under-utilized, we’re waging 5 or 6 wars to the tune of billions of dollars, with most of that going to war profiteers, environmental regulations are being gutted, and all we’ve gotten from this administration is Sotomayor and Kagan (who shifted the court to the right since she replaced Stevens). If you have any facts to bring to the table, by all means do so. Or you can continue the personal attacks. Your choice.
should have added the date for Jane’s statement:
2/12/09 – less than 30 days after MOTU Man took the oath :D
Thank you.
Here’s an even better message to send Barry. He is going to have a challenger. Senator Bernie Sanders announced on Thom Hartman’s show today that he was looking into challenging dear leader.
Thom seemed to not know what to think about that. If Hartman believed in We The People’s capacity to bring about a change in the Dem Party or direction of this country, he would have been as excited as I was to hear the news.
The Dem Party is still undead to me though but that Barry is going to get a challenger, you know, a real adult in the room to take him on, that’s music to my ears. Should be greeted by all of us, even if only to push that train wreck in the White House to listen to a message from the people, with enthusiasm and thanks. PLEASE call Bernie’s office and thank him for believing in We The People.
The question is, what do we do next?
Good grief, what are those “71 percent” smoking??
I don’t care if it’s the “lowest point in his presidency.” This is confirmation of the rank stupidity of at least 71 percent of “liberals”
Sadly true.
Bernie Sanders announced on Hartman’s show today that he was looking into that very thing right now! :)
Start a draft Bernie Sanders movement. Sanders has already called for a primary challenge on the Thom Hartmann show today. Hartmann later of course, was spinning so fast and furious on the awesomeness of Obama that I’m sure he couldn’t stand on his own two feet. Since Hartmann has moved to DC he’s gone gaga for Obie.
When did this administration began caring about the opinions of liberals? They didn’t care before the 2010 elections. Why would they have a charge of heart? Some will probably argue that because Obama will be at the top of the ticket in 2012, then they should start now for any chance of winning. This is poppycock given the times we live in. The outcome for the POTUS election for the 2012 has been predetermined; and Obama has been a godsend to the PTB.
If you happen to believe in the notion that we still have free elections, you can’t discount the fact that the 2012 elections is still quite some time ahead and between now and then the geo-politicial landscape could change so dramatically that this poll and this particular moment in time will be quickly dropped down the memory hole by the American electorate. The possibility of Israel attacking Iran could force the U.S. into some other conflict. http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/201171775828434786.html. Where the party slogan would be that “We need to keep Obama in these desperate times” and it need not be another war, or perhaps a deeper economic depression. Thus the UNI-Party will win again.
Be honest with ourselves and otehrs that this is going to be a generational longterm struggle. Declare our independence from both parties, join and help build whatever movements fit our interests and prepare for more people awakening from two dimensional thinking.
There is lots more, of course, just my thinking aloud at the moment and maybe the way I think is wrong for some and right for others, but we must be do-ers not just talkers.
Emma Goldman said that if elections created change they would be outlawed. Elections are nothing more than the illusion the U.S. is a democracy. Elections do not create change. Revolutions create change.
I love Bernie Sanders, but he will be demonized as being a pinko commie traitor in about 5 seconds flat.
I’d go for Grayson maybe.
It’s going to take a lot more than “voting” for someone to make this corporate fascism that has infected the country to even have the remotest chance of being stopped. It’s going to take digging up the entire “tumor” and removing the trigger that is producing it and that means one has to stop working for the corporations, stop buying their products, and not supporting those that accept funding from them…something like that. Strike and boycott.
Ought OH!!!
Wonder where ya got that???…./s
Isn’t there a provision in one of the amendments to the Constitution that provides for situations like when the President loses his mind? I mean what can you say about a guy who thinks scaring moderate old ladies with cutting Medicare and Social Security is a way to get independent votes?
I mean it’s not like he’s delivering on anything else. Unemployment up in 28 states, no jobs in sight, people feeling more insecure all the time.
I figure he’s got about 3 wars that will got to hell by next year too.
I would support Bernie Sanders. Wish he could parlay a primary challenge with a 3rd party movement.
Emma Goldman and the anarchist movement was talked about last night on the Daily Show last night. It was refreshing to see that.
What about a Grayson/Sanders ticket or vice versa?
caveat emptor
check out Grayson on IsraelPalestine/Gaza
jes sayin’
Why would that surprise you? Obama’s mantra is “look forwards, not backwards”. If Obama and his buddy Holder actually cared about anyone but themselves and their fellow plutocrats, they’d have to investigate and prosecute those responsible for the war crimes, financial crimes, etc., that were committed prior to this administration, and that would be “really hard work”.
Can an alternative candidate be introduced at the Democratic convention? If Obad can’t get a majority vote on the first ballot, would that leave an opening for a nomination from the floor?
Otherwise, 2012 might be my first Greenie vote…
What do you mean by support? I certainly hope Sanders isn’t listening to pleas for him to run and assuming those people will do the necessary work to make it happen.
I’d be interested in hearing exactly what people are willing to do to “support” him.
Democratic conventions are no longer democratic. I believe they’ve messed with the rules so much that a 3rd party challenge is really difficult plus they now treat convention cities like the Soviets treated Berlin. It could be very ugly and maybe he even wants that better to frame himself as hippie puncher in chief.
The 3rd party option needs to remain out there because the real threat is the ability to deny him enough votes in swing states to defeat him.
I didn’t vote for Nader but Nader understood how to send a message and it defeated Gore. That can be done again.
Democrats hardly agree on what liberal means. Much of the Obama-can-do-no-wrong crowd totally view themselves as liberal. Especially his young voters.
That number has mostly been parked in the mid-high 80′s … even through HCR. I’m guessing that much of the issues-driven left approval was pretty much gone by FinReg. Being down to 71 is pretty brutal. That’s like -16 from a month ago (pulling from rough memory) … and it’s gotta be all core supporters he’s shedding by now.
To all appearances his strategy is insane. IMO, he thought he was going to get away with gutting the social net using the “Ryan Budget” blow-back to pin the whole thing on the GOP. Now he’s chasing a dream, seemingly unaware the GOP escaped that trap weeks ago and that he’s eating the WHOLE policy mess; regardless who America sees as “more honorable” in the debate (or whatever the hell they are polling). I’m seeing people who have defended Obama through *everything* freaking the hell out on this one, day by day more and more people are acknowledging Obama is the one forcing this.
For Obama’s presidency, there has been a mass Democratic suspension of disbelief that refused to question the assertion “What can Obama do in the face of GOP obstruction?” That willing suspension of disbelief appears to be crumbling at a very rapid pace. This could represent the week Icarus decided to take his shiny wings a bit too close to the sun. They’re starting to melt … is he smart enough to pull back?
Although, none of this explains the rank stupidity of that 71%. Whatever it is they’re smoking, I sure don’t want any.
I copied it from a comment over at the Huffpost. It’s so much more effective than words.
May have been too subtle for alan1tx.
I strongly support the idea that it isn’t “complaining” if we tell someone who has the power to change that something. In that way, I consider most of the rhetoric here to be mutual support of We The People, who together have the capacity to change things albeit not much in the short term.
“The institutions of this neo-liberal civil society are above all there to ensure that the population stops prioritising the public welfare, stops looking for collective solutions to society’s problems.”
I think there is a lot to this.
If the executive or the state and the citizenry expect to have a symbiotic, mutually beneficial relationship, it is essential to have a balance of power between them, a mechanism where the one can check the other if it gets out of hand. However, if one of these groups gets the idea that its best interests are served by accruing as much power as it can at the expense of the other group, then their previous social contract, and the entire belief system that goes with it, is potentially out the window. When the privatized, propagandizing force of a medium like television coupled with a political and economic environment where corporate money replaces the will and political representation of the citizenry, the symbiotic relationship is broken and even the idea of a social contract is dead. As an example, one obvious reflection of this breakdown over the last 40 years has been the destruction of unions.
The result in US society of ever-decreasing social contracts with their inherent potential to balance power has been a cultural atomization that borders on mass sociopathology. It permeates all socioeconomic classes and is expressed publicly from the NRA to gansta rap to Tea Baggers to CEO bonus packages. Belief in the value of a social contract? Reciprocal altruism? Hell no. Instead: Give me that, it’s mine. Everyone is out for themselves. And in a practical sense they have to be because there is no social contract, no sense that we are all in this together. When was the last time you saw someone hitchhiking in the US?
My own little anecdotal experience in higher education bears this change out as well (it’s not just at the macro level of state and citizen). I work at a public university that now only receives 25% of its operating funds from taxes. The other 75% must come from fund raising (much of it provided by corporations) and increasing tuition. In such an environment, the land grant mission of this university, a serious expression of a social contract designed to provide education for all, is effectively only so many words. The university operates on a corporate model of constant expansion and profit largely serving the needs of those who can already afford it. And students who can’t make it? A resounding chorus that it is the result of their own inadequacies.
I suspect that a lot of the depression and subsequent inertia Dems and liberals may be feeling as a result of Obama betrays a realization not only that the whole thing is a con, that there is no substantial difference between candidates, and that social contracts are largely fiction, but also that, after so many decades in this direction, there is about fuck all anyone can do within this system.
71% of liberals approve of Obama’s policies?
Same old questions:
Who did the polling?
When was it taken?
Where was it taken?
What time of DAY was it taken?
Sorry, I just don’t believe that 71% of the people who were MOST enthusiastic about his election; who were the first to put him on track for the presidency, now approve of his close political resemblance (to the point of making hugely important decisions behind closed doors…as Jane notes just above us…) to george W. bush.
No one expected him to correct every fuckup that bush and the GOP laid on us, but I seriously doubt that 71% of liberals approve of the near-complete reversal of the historic win that we gave him in 2008. Some us ARE damn fools, but I doubt that many.
Of course, on several counts you speak the truth. Part of the truth telling involves challenging the corporate spokespersons of Obama and whoever his Repuke counterpart may be.
As it is, much of what we can say to people can be demonized. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said and doesn’t mean people aren’t hungry to hear it.
And you asked, what’s next, not for ultimate answers.
It’s better to fight and lose than act like a Barry.
Voting was never the answer either, just the most basic responsibility.
1 in 8.
People want to say they support this President even if they have doubts.
The trend may be more meaningful.
Insist on someone way left of Sanders–if anyone can find one–and then offer Sanders as a compromise?
Nader’s message didn’t defeat Gore. Rigged voting, voter suppression, shrub’s brother and the SCOTUS were just a little more key to Gore’s defeat, don’t you think? When will this meme die?
I admire Nader, but truth is stranger than Nader did it.
Hate to say it, but public opinion is not going to change much on president Obama based on his actions during all of this.
We’re a small portion of the general population. The vast majority are not following this.
When they answer poll questions, the Obama most are thinking of is the brand who ran for president. That was such a successful marketing campaign that he has been able to get away with doing little to nothing to improve the economy and everything else we all are aware of, while most people (left of the nutball Republicans) assume it’s not his fault and he is not to blame.
So, the progressives and lefties are going to be quite furious, while the general population is going to remain quite clueless and stick with the Obama they remember and the Obama that is marketing for 2012. The unemployed, the elderly, the poor may remain in support of Obama, but be quite pissed at the government in general.
In short, this sort of democratic model is a complete failure.
Why are they still in business…because as the Credit Rating Agencies (Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s, and Fitch Ratings) stated before a Congressional hearing, they are only providing an “opinion”. That apparently absolves them of any responsibility. Since the reliability of ratings was NOT strengthened, they should not have credibility, period.
That’s a shocker. Stewart himself is an economic conservative and admitted he voted for George Bush Sr in 1992 and had no regrets. He typically ridicules the left and protests and has repeatedly come out to support Obama overall, though maybe critical of some specific things.
The trend after the deal is cut too. Many will give him the benefit of the doubt until then. I am confident we can count on help from the right in explaining any benefit cuts.
This meme will never die. It is just another excuse for the outcome of the 2000 coup that the intellectually lazy use to justify the result. Somehow people are capable of discounting the participation of the proto-Palin, Katherine Harris, as well.
What the so called liberals and progressives in Congress say and what they actually do are two different things.
So anyone the right is going to demonize can’t be run?
Do you see any problems with this logic or do I have to point out to you that they even “demonize” Obama?
Stand for principle. If Bernie is a good candidate and he says what you believe FIGHT for him and what he stands for. Don’t expect it to be easy.
Gotta separate out the folks who actually vote from the majority of Americans.
– ottogrendel
“The result in US society of ever-decreasing social contracts with their inherent potential to balance power has been a cultural atomization that borders on mass sociopathology. It permeates all socioeconomic classes and is expressed publicly from the NRA to gansta rap to Tea Baggers to CEO bonus packages. Belief in the value of a social contract? Reciprocal altruism? Hell no.”
This is where the rubber is hitting the road. It did take a privatized propagandizing force to forge the sociopathy you describe. Even the Tea Baggers and rap industry had to be co-opted – many of the initial pioneers where more principled and socially conscious than what’s left today.
Still, despite all the propaganda and other corporate forces of persuasion, a majority of Americans wanted a public option for health care, to protect social security, reduce American militarism, etc. The inertia re the Dem con, etc., you described in your last paragraph doesn’t have a clear antidote yet, as far as I can see. But as Egypt and Spain demonstrate, movements can start and move surprisingly fast.
Teddy and All
Not to put to fine a point on it but…….
Keith Ellison supports Obama. Amy Klobuchar supports Obama. Al Franken supports Obama.
In fact we should be asking why Senator Bernie Sanders or any other “progressive” elected official is not willing to even mount a primary challenge against Obama.
The answer IMHO is that it would ruin the Kabuki Theatre of the Absurd that all of these folks participate in.
This isn’t a poll of liberals and progressives in Congress.
Here’s Warren Buffett wasting away in Moodyville:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8717622.stm
He’s gotta toss them something from time to time. Otherwise people might wonder about his familial connection to Wall Street or that the show is simply bread and circuses entertainment while the country burns all around us.
http://blogs.reuters.com/summits/2010/03/29/jon-stewarts-brother-says-mom-pretty-happy-with-both/
If they had to admit the republic died that day, I suppose they might feel more responsibility. A coup would demand something like an uprising, but blaming another choice on the ballot, well, that can be done comfortably from at home in an easy chair. It’s despicable.
It is unfathomable that ANY liberal could support a president who has largely carried on the economic, war, spying, corporate policies of the hated Bush.
Sheep? Tribalistic? Suffering from cognitive dissonance?
Whatever, this country needs them to WAKE UP NOW and start holding this president’s feet to the fire.
Bernie said on Hartman’s show today he was considering becoming Obama’s challenger.
Who is going to be their alarm clock?
His feet are insulated by Wall Street, the big banks, and insurance companies to name a few. He’s untouchable, unaccountable, dangerous.
The country woke up. People aren’t as stupid as sometimes gets tossed around here. On issues, there is overwhelming agreement. Voter turnouts are low in large part because on the big things, there is little difference between the two parties.
Everyone who considers oneself a member of the Dem and Repuke Parties needs to have their feet held to the fire.
Mr. O lost me when he lied to Ohioans about renegotiating NAFTA while he was telling Canada not to worry, it was just campaign rhetoric. In response, Hillary said, “Shame on you, Barack Obama”. And that seems the most appropriate response to him so far on just about every he has done.
Look at the tyranny of party — at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty — a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes — and which turns voters into chattles, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with Bible texts and billies, and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master.
- “The Character of Man,” Mark Twain’s Autobiography
Excellent.
Go Bernie. Let us see if he is serious. He lost his credibility over the healthcare insurance give a way. He could regain it this way.
Superb comments, Seminole Sky, very.
And very much appreciated.
Yours as well, otto.
DW
People seem to have forgotten the scene on that day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAp6YAPtC2c
That means 7% of the population that normally votes Democratic will either stay home or vote GOP.
In a 50/50 nation that has to be critical. Granted the vote splits 40-30-30 with the 30′s being Democrats and indep’s, and only 50% vote, but the base votes at closer to 80% as I recall.
I don’t see how he makes up the liberal loss with taking more indie’s. He will need black turn out and “group loyalty” voting at even higher levels than in 2008 – and the 2010 census demographics seem to say it is impossible to get high enough as that would be over 100%.
We all know that BO does not care what liberals think of him. He wants to be reelected by the center/right. He even said two weeks ago that he would fight his own party over cuts to the safety net. What more proof does anyone need than the guy’s own words?? If he doesn’t care about his party now, a year before the election, imagine how liberal/progressive he would be after being reelected and not needing any further lefty support at all, even from Obots.
And then, they’d have to explain their own war crimes, and there’s the rub. Obama is Bush III
It can’t, we don’t have any money to entice him with anymore. And that was the idea.
Obama asked for real tax increases – not aspirational -and Speaker BO took a walk.
Obama has called a meeting for 11 am tomorrow to demand folks listen to him, pointing out he does not want real money, just a symbolic increase, pretty please. Dems are invited but need not attend.
No offense heard or taken. I agree with you.
Tax the damn rich who have raked in money hand over fist.
Obama–think and do small, maybe even miniscule. Your grandiosity is killing us (even literally). Get one unadulterated success under your belt. This Administration has been one shitstorm after another. Lose the grandiosity Obama!
above meant as reply to yellowsnapdragon’s reply to me….
Thom is still stuck in “It’s all eh republicans fault meme”
He’s every once in a while skirts the idea Obama isn’t doing such a great job, but he’s a total bot.
I’m getting pretty tired of the enjoyment he gets out of listening to his own voice as well.
Turned off MSNBC forever now, what with Sharpton having Buchanan on there….and waiting for Olbermann, the only person I want to see on TEEVEE now.
I hope Current become the new place for progressives and I hope Cenk maybe can get a gig there.
I was worried when he selected Rham as COS. More worried when he wouldn’t advocate for judical nominees. Even more worried about the economics team. Angry about the weakness and built-in limitations to the stimulus. Furious about healthcare deform. Spitting mad about the Daley, Immelt trade agreements policies.
He lost me completely with the cat food commish, willful, reckless ignoring of the un/under/disemployed.
But the shock and awe of the bold, BIG unraveling of the New Deal has left me with the personal obligation to seek and support of a challenger to his 2nd term.
I’m cautiously optimistic about a Sanders challenge . .. . .
If you tried to tell me this is where I’d be back in January of 09, I wouldn’t believe it.
Actually Grayson’s view, that Israel has the right to blockade any enemy state that swears to destroy you as it sends rockets into your territory, where the blockade is for weapons, with other material allowed through (granted there are items not allowed that are innocent and banned for no good reason) and that Israel will retain that right until Hamas choses to stand down from violence, is also my view –
every “liberal” does not agree 100% with every other “liberal”
but then I am a TABA based two state person – YMMV
but we can agree that Bibi suc
Actually Grayson’s view, that Israel has the right to blockade any enemy state that swears to destroy you as it sends rockets into your territory, where the blockade is for weapons, with other material allowed through (granted there are items not allowed that are innocent and banned for no good reason) and that Israel will retain that right until Hamas choses to stand down from violence, is also my view –
every “liberal” does not agree 100% with every other “liberal”
but then I am a TABA based two state person – YMMV
but we can agree that Bibi sucks :-)
25th Amendment covers that – but the players would not have the guts to try it.
“Hillary was right” history is a lesson most liberals do not want to learn.
Agreed.
“This meme will never die.” So true and so sad.
Wow, if Sanders follows through and challenges,
he’ll make fine use of that bully pulpit.
Thoroughly enjoyed reading all of this. Thanks!
Loved tremoluxman’s um…gesture.
“He was in a position after his election to expose the Republicans for the thieves and criminals that they are but he decided it was necessary to look forward. When you legitimize a criminal conspiracy you validate their extremism.”
I agree wholeheartedly, with one major modification. Yes, you validate their extremism, but that is a moral point. The much more pertinent legal point is that such actions, particularly in reference to Obama’s refusal to investigate or prosecute War Crimes, appears to make him what is known as an Accomplice After the Fact in these, and other crimes.
No one had to name him as criminal. He did that himself. If Bernie Sanders really is gonna primary Obama, I’m there for him, no problem. Just so long as he picks a good VP to run with. I love the thought of what he would likely do with the Presidency, but I have no illusions about what his age might mean. If Bernie shores that up with a good VP, then Obama can kiss my ass.
Agree, same here. From Enthusiastic supporter to toss him from office. Oh yeah, let’s not forget support of the Patriot Act – that travesty to the American Experiment that makes a mockery of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I am betting Iran will be attacked next year if things get worse for O. Here I am not singling him out, but it is a “tradition” of US presidents to blow at least few rocks somewhere if things don’t go well for them. To show that they are in “control”. The masculine way.
I was betting on W launching an attack close to ’08 election. But it seems he was ashamed (finally) with his low approval and just wanted to get out of WH.
Rahm Emanuel as COS was a signal. I so wanted Obama to be the man I thought/hoped he was. I was wrong.
He needs to be primaried.
Excellent analysis. Also explains that “welfare” is not just what someone might think it may mean that they would be against (blacks, poor, lazy, immigrants fill in your own label) due to their ignorance. No, Welfare can also mean funding of public institutions, government grants for basic research, PBS, NPR, rtc. Things that need to have public funding so they can expose private interests detrimental to society. Those have been, and are being, corrupted so they have to depend on private money now. They are more than useless to our society, they are dangerous for the propoganda they spread.