Current TV/Countdown‘s guest host David Shuster interviewed Bradford Wells and Anthony John Makk on Wednesday to discuss their immigration situation.
Shuster: The Obama Administration, which refuses to defend the Defense of Marriage Act, is now using that to split a gay couple apart. After seven years of marriage, Bradford Wells and Anthony John Makk may be forced to separate as soon as August the 25th. Our number one story on the Countdown: Wells, an American citizen, has AIDS. Makk, an Australian, is Wells’ husband and primary caregiver. Both live in San Francisco. And, while Makk has crossed the US border for years on legal visas, the US government recently told him he is no longer eligible to do that because the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, denies all federal benefits, including immigration benefits, to same-sex couples. Makk was also told he was not eligible to stay as Wells’ spouse, his application for permanent residency denied because of DOMA. And, by the way, the couple was married in Massachusetts. The couple has sought the help of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, their representative in Congress, and Immigration Equality, a gay rights group, has said they will take this particular case to the White House. Steve Ralls, a spokesman for the group, told Countdown:
“I would think the White House would get political points. Do you want a dying American to be here with his caregiver or not?”
Shuster: Joining us from San Francisco tonight are Bradford Wells and Anthony John Makk, and gentlemen, thanks for joining us this evening.
Wells/Makk: Thank you.
Shuster: Let’s start with you, Bradford. You’ve had HIV, you’ve said, since the 1980s. Doctors first sent you for psychological treatment before medical science knew much about HIV and AIDS. Tell us, how are you feeling and what’s your prognosis?
Wells: My prognosis is the same as everybody else’s: nobody lives forever. But I have a reason to live… and,um, he keeps me here.
Shuster: And John Makk, you seem to be between a rock and a hard place. If ordered to leave, would you comply? And leave your sick husband behind? Or would you take him with you to Australia? Or would you remain here in defiance of the deportation order?
Makk: Currently, we don’t look at staying here illegally. That is something we’ve strived for all these years, for the nineteen years we’ve been together. We’ve always kept a legal status, and it’s been very important to do so. We’ve always thought some chance of immigration would come to us and we didn’t want to ruin it with illegal staying here in this country. We still hope that someone will step up and talk — and speak up for our cause: one of our senators and, like you said, Nancy Pelosi, and her office is actively working for us. So, this is somewhere — I don’t want to stay here illegally. And we have talked about many different options.
Shuster: What have you heard — or have you heard anything — from anybody higher up in the Administration? I know you’ve started to get a lot of attention for this case, as you should. Is that having any impact, and what are people in the government telling you about this?
Makk: The government is not really coming across and telling us too much of anything at this stage. Nancy Pelosi’s office is working with us, Immigration Equality is working very hard, tirelessly, on our behalf. It’s a difficult situation, but we have nothing back from the White House or from anyone higher up in the government.
Shuster: Brad, all couples, gay and straight, deal with tensions in their marriage. I can’t even imagine the pressure this situation puts on the two of you. How are you handling it?
Wells: One day at a time. First thing I say when I get up the morning is “I love you.” The last thing I say when I go to bed is “I love you.” I try to tell him I love him many times during the day. I try to do what I can to appreciate and cherish him.
Makk: We find that the harder we’ve had to fight for our relationship, the stronger it’s gotten.
Wells: We’ve had to fight for our relationship the whole nineteen years.
Makk: Yes, nineteen years, dealing with this same issue, but currently we’ve come up where we have no more options. The visas that I’ve been under, they are not available to me currently. I’ve used up all those options, basically, and this is the last one we have.
Shuster: How confident are you that Nancy Pelosi will be able to solve this, that you’ll be able to get an exemption or somebody to step in, to say: OK, this is crazy?
Makk: I am more confident than Brad, but I am the more optimistic one. And I just think that people will see that it’s not right. It’s not right. It’s discriminatory, and it’s totally unfair that we have to uproot our entire lives and everything we’ve worked for for nineteen years, just because we’re a same-sex couple.
Wells: Yeah….
Shuster: Brad, as someone who’s born in this country, as an American, it must be so perplexing to you. It must go against everything you were taught growing up in this country.
Wells: I love my country. I love being an American. I don’t want to be pushed out because I’m married. I don’t want this to be a decision between my country and my family. I want both. I want to be with my family, in my country.



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“I love my country. I love being an American. I don’t want to be pushed out because I’m married. I don’t want this to be a decision between my country and my family. I want both. I want to be with my family, in my country.”
Bless ‘em both, may this become a poster case for end of DOMA. But more importantly, may they be able to stay together one way or another . . . . 19 years.
Damn I hate the people who own this country.
Rcc’d.
Thank you, Larue.
Another 19 years would be a wonderful gift, but this kind of stress isn’t healthy, especially for people with AIDS.
“but we have nothing back from the White House or from anyone higher up in the government.”
Consider that a plus. Empty platitudes from the presididn’t only serve to increase most thinking people’s blood pressure any way.
Obama can end this in a moment. He has the power to demand the local manager exercise discretion. The local managers already have wide latitude to exercise discretion in these cases, and are urged to focus on cases that relate directly to national security. Which this case, obviously, does not.
But I take your point, yes. Just act. No pretty talk.
Separate and unequal. I just loathe this administration.
recc’d.
You can sign Immigration Equality’s petition to President Obama on behalf of Messrs Wells and Makk (and others) here: http://immigrationequalityactionfund.org/take_action/tell_president_obama_stop_separating_our_families
“Just act.”
I believe you’ve found the most concise description/instruction summing up the guy’s entire presidency.
Maybe he’s thinking, “But I AM ACTING! I’m the best damn actor this stage has ever seen.”
Recc’d, Teddy. God, this is just so wrong and so…midevil. Who does this sort of thing to people? And for what? I need some answers to this, this…bullshit.
I signed this. Thank you for providing the link. The thought of a married couple being torn apart in the name of some sick shit that I cannot even begin to understand breaks my heart.
In effect, wasn’t Glenn Greenwald forced to make this decision? If you can legally force out law-abiding Americans and the people who love and support them to back-fill the country with slaves, it’s high time the Abolitionists reassert themselves!
signed, and rec’d, all with some tears
Thanks for the video Teddy. I posted a blog on this and the video really personalizes it
Recommended
Glenn lives abroad because his partner cannot live and work here in America, yes, but he doesn’t face the mortality issues this couple does, afaik. We are actually driving people away from our shores with this policy, though, to countries that recognize and respect their unions.
It really is an awful way to treat people.
Thank you.
Yes– making this the more reprehensible a public policy as you rightly point out, TeddyWan!
Signed!
Thanks Teddy. Recommended. Does Glenn Greenwald have to live in Brazil for similar reasons? “Land of the Free” indeed. Only if you think like the “Christian” masses I guess.
Signed.
I can’t find it now, but I have read a long description from Glenn himself about this subject. It even had photos of his partner. I did find this, but it is old.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/07/response-to-right-wing-personal.html
Signed. I hope they get the help they need.
Recommended, Teddy!
God, it’s so much more than wanting to live in his country with his family! Obviously, they won’t separate now. So that means uprooting a couple from all comfort and familiarity, from additional family, from support and friends, when one of them is sick and dying. It would mean having to create an entire new life in Australia at a time when one of them is dying.
The inhumanity of our government is always so much more appalling when we know the circumstances of the people being affected.
Oh, I forgot to mention it. The interview is really great. Thanks for sharing it.
You’re probably thinking of this interview with OUT magazine:
http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=30073
Signed and recommended. This is what a loving marriage looks like.
Glenn has talked online about his personal situation previously, and it is my understanding that he and his partner choose to live where they can work legally and where their union is recognized.
Between the USA and Brazil, that is Brazil.
Anyone who cares about this story should also care about ACCURACY. You should read this analysis of the case: “Immigration Woes: News Analysis: As a recent green card denial shows, same-sex married, bi-national couples face continued uncertainty”
http://metroweekly.com/news/?ak=6486
Do you think that the couple’s report of their situation is inaccurate? In what way, exactly?
Signed. My daughter in law is trapped abroad now for 2 1/2 years and i’m paying thousands of dollars to immigration lawyer. This is what happens when ignorant people get elected.
Thanks for the link – what a wonderful interview.
oooooh, I like TeddyWan – i may have to repeat that.
Recommended, with a high five.
Unfortunately, most folks in the media have yet to come down to the Border, and take a gander for themselves, when it comes to discussing immigration. And if they should come, here is what they would find:
Our ‘littlest citizens’ are the children born to undocumented immigrant parents here in the USA, and when ’rounded up’ these children return with their parents and to the parents’ Nation of Origin.
Now, if you were to ask either an Elected or Appointed Official, neither could tell us how many and where our “littlest citizens” are currently located, as well as their current environment for living in hovels, not have three meals-a-day, and etcetera.
Consequently, we have rendered “citizenship” to the status quo for “nothingness.” And challenging these officials brings your cell phonel and computer to the attention of the “national security state” that is our “new” America.
Jaango
Signed. I watched the interview on Current and it was heart breaking.
Democracy Now! also interviewed Makk and Wells in their show this morning. They talked about DOMA and also interviewed the executive director of Immigration Equality. Here is the interview:
http://www .democracy now.org/20 11/8/12/ai ds_afflict ed_us_citi zen_urges_ obama