68 Responses to War Crimes Catch Up With Israeli Officials: They Can No Longer Visit The UK

1. gmarks December 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pm «

   Posters need to know how many emails I get.

   Readers on this blog thank me – bless me – and tell me of their ‘exposure’ should they affirm any of my remarks on the ‘enemy within’ America.

   If we don’t rattle our chains – they win.

   If we don’t name them – OUT them for the cabal that they are – our children will continue to pay and die for Israel in perpetual war against a fifth of humanity.

   America is Sobibor West – with Rahm Emanuels relatives in every watchtower.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm «

  I don’t buy into blaming Jews as a people for Israel’s policies. That’s unfairly stereotyping and, in my book, it’s bigotry.

  Some of Israel’s most vocal critics are Jewish. In fact, some of my sources above came from Ha’aretz. This is about a political ideology, called Zionism – it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Judaism.
• EdwardTeller December 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm «

  I agree. gmarks is over the line. I understand the frustration.

  I’d like to point out that some of my closest British friends are part of this effort to get Livni declared the war criminal she is. And all those British friends of mine are Jewish, and have been struggling against inhuman and inhumane policies of the Israeli government for years and years.

  I would hope that soon, the same standards are applied there against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and others.

  Part of the sickness of Operation Cast Lead was that it was, in large part, a cynical ploy by Livni to garner domestic Israeli support to get her enough votes last spring to become PM. It didn’t work. I’ve been calling it Tzipi’s War since early last January.
• gustafus December 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pm «

  You are kidding right? It’s the old saw – “ask 3 Jews what time it is and they’ll give you 5 different answers”.

  When you wield as much power as Jews do in America, you silence critics with charges of bigotry, when we all know different.

  Of course there are dissenting Jews.

  But Gmarks is spot on. Jews control their own press, and websites like this fall into line with a few well placed threats. [behind the scenes of course]
• EdwardTeller December 15th, 2009 at 2:20 pm «

  I’ve been commenting or posting here for almost as long as fdl has existed. You have no idea whatsover WTF you’re talking about. You appear to be even more exasperated than gmarks.
• gustafus December 15th, 2009 at 2:27 pm «

  I’m just more candid. That other poster is being cautious because he/she knows the power of the ‘lobby’.

  Michael Ledeen once said if you want to know who runs a country, find out who you cannot talk about.

  The answer in America is self evident.

  They run the place. And call us names if we complain!!
• EdwardTeller December 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm «

  OTOH, watching Wolf Blitzer spin this right now on CNN IS exasperating.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 6:22 pm «

  I missed this post Edward.

  I guess you probably already know that Wolf Blitzer used to work for AIPAC as the editor of their monthly propaganda paper, the Near East Report.

  IMO, they should have a disclosure whenever he covers the middle east — which is often. He did a hit job on Jimmy Carter.
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm «

  The proof is in AIPAC’s Take Action listings. I have yet to see Congress vote in opposition. The current three demands are below. Betcha you can guess how the three votes went.
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  * Pass Tougher Iran Sanctions
  * Back Divestment from Iran
  * Reject the Goldstone Report
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 6:25 pm «

  Yeah, Congress is definitely occupied territory. They trip all over themselves trying to prove to AIPAC that they love Israel more than the other guy.
• gustafus December 15th, 2009 at 2:07 pm «

  Zionism has ‘nothing’ to do with Judaism?

  Aw come on. Diaspora Jews are essentially silent as their brethren murder their neighbors kids.

  Frank Rich was very candid in the NYT. He said he can’t be objective. He’s Jewish. And he sides with other Jews.

  I think that’s good that he admits it.

  But to pretend that Jews do not influence our foreign policy in favor of their own in Tel Aviv?

  Do not blow smoke up my derrier. Powerful Jews in America are the reason we endorse the genocide of Palestinians. And American Jews in the political process block any change by destroying the careers of those who dissent.

  Obama made a faustian bargain with the Jews of the left. They let him become president, IF and only IF he doesn’t thwart Israeli expansionism and genocide of Palestinians.

  Sorry. I read papers outside this country. Our newspapers are owned by Jews, and hawk the Israeli perspective.

  Some of you need to get a passport and find out just how corrupted our government has become by this small contingent.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm «

  I believe every human beings — regardless of race, ethnicity, and religion — should be given the benefit of the doubt, i.e. treated as an individual, with his own unique opinions, perspectives, ideas, and beliefs. So naturally, when people begin to insinuate that all of this group or all that group does this or thinks that, then I see that as heading down a dangerous path.

  The point is, Judaism is a religion that dates back thousands of years. Zionism is a political ideology born in the late 1800s. The former is a religion — a spiritual belief system, and the latter is a political ideology that incorporates visions of tribally-based divestment.

  Trust me, there are MANY MANY Jews who are not happy about Israeli policies, and they are often the country’s most vocal critics — privately and publicly.

  I’m not being cautious because of fear, but cautious because I see broad and factually incorrect stereotyping that could leave some with the wrong impression.

  If you don’t believe what I’m saying about Jews being critical of Israel’s policies, then you need look no further than the very popular site:
  http://mondoweiss.net/ — it’s one of the most informative sites on this stuff. The owner/chief writer, Philip Weiss is Jewish. See if you agree with his coverage of Israel’s policies? There’s also Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, George Soros … I could go on and on and on …
• Leen December 15th, 2009 at 3:18 pm «

  There has been a big shift in Jews being willing to criticize Israel and the I lobby the last five years or so. A huge shift. We are well aware that one of the main issues has been Jews in congress who are often liberal on so many issues yet take a hard turn wrong (right) when it comes to U.S. policies having to do with the I/P conflict.

  Mondoweiss is a great addition to busting down the “off limits” door. Phillip Weiss and his partners are doing the U.S. Israel and everyone around the world with their remarkable website. I have been posting their work here at FDL for quite some time. Some of the most wide open conversations about the I/P issue taking place there. As well as at the Washington NOte and Flynt Leverett’s new site. The Race for Iran

  The Race for Iran
  http://www.raceforiran.com/
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm «

  It’s so true what you say about the shift. And I also am a big fan of Mondoweiss.

  This is something that I suspect some — like gustafus — doesn’t realize: That for every gentile getting called ‘anti-semite’ by a Zionist for criticizing Israel there’s a Jew getting called a ‘self-hating Jew’ by the same Zionist, for saying essentially the same things.

  Here’s George Soros, a Holocaust survivor and Jew, speaking to this very issue:
  On Israel, America and AIPAC
  by George Soros
  http://www.georgesoros.com/articles-essays/entry/on_israel_america_and_aipac/
• Beca December 15th, 2009 at 8:40 pm «

  It is Zionism and not Judaism that is at the root of all this. And I can’t imagine that you have been able to meet every single Jewish person living here in the U.S. for you to form such a general opinion on “all Jews and Judaism”. It is true that those Jewish Americans who do have some political power do seem to use it to the hilt and to slant our policies towards benefiting Israel’s interests over eny other country, however, that is not “all Jews”, it is those few who happen to be in power. Remember that elected officials like Sen. Lieberman were elected by residents of the state in which he supposedly represents, he was not elected by “Jews” only. Besides, when you look at the census, the Jewish population in this country is very small compared to all other populations.
  Bottom line, not good to generalize an entire group of people because of the misdeeds of a few. Just not fair and not good. No I am not Jewish but I do know a fair number of Jewish Americans and none of them are in agreement with the antics of Sen. Lieberman, Emanuel, Geithner, Paulson, Summers or Cheney.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm «

  Thanks for that.

  It’s amazing that after all that’s happened in the 20th Century people can still be so quick to use a broad stroke to try and pigeonhole an entire people, based on zealotry by a subset of said group.

  I guess it’s the way of the world, unfortunately.
2. Leen December 15th, 2009 at 12:49 pm «

   Glad you put this up. Was going to day got away.

   Thanks this is great news some accountability
3. Casual Observer December 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pm «

   Thanks for the post–I’d like to see this happen to one of our former officials. Would do us a world(court) of good.
• Leen December 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pm «

  Ditto..ditto…ditto
4. TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pm «

   That would make my day to hear that Cheney, or Rumsfeld, or Bush, or Perle, or Wolfowitz, … etc were issued warrants for war crimes and detained somewhere in Europe.

   Obama would have no one to blame, but himself, for trying to circumvent the rule of law here at home.
5. macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm «

   Why they are right!!! These people know the truth.

   Jews are in control of America. They control over three hundred million Americans and their government, their economy, and their media.

   Since most of the Jews came to America in the last hundred years, and came here poor, it’s pretty remarkable how they’ve taken over so quickly and so completely and so, so stealthily.

   If we concur with the truth as hinted by gmarks and co. then we must conclude that these Jews must be a lot more intelligent and advanced than the rest of us.

   We not only obey them, but it’s probably best that we continue to do so.
6. Leen December 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm «

   Israel needs to suffer serious consequences for the disproportionate and brutal response in the Gaza. Read the Goldstone Report…serious crimes committed..

   So does the U.S. in regard to Iraq
• MarkH December 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm «

  Why only punish them over what happened in Gaza? Is it because the political Right in Israel would be the only politicians standing after Livni and Barak go down? They’ve got a screwed-up political system as it stands (not unlike California and the U.S. Senate), but to have only the Right-wing Zionists running the show would be a disaster for many years.

  It’s also possible, I suppose, Netanyahu doesn’t want to see Livni continuing to travel abroad giving speeches and winning her political arguments. Netanyahu is as bankrupt as the Bushie neoCons, so he can’t stand the political competition.
7. macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 6:35 pm «

   The BBC reports that the warrant was issued by a judge and that the British government doesn’t support the judge and has voided or will void the warrant.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 6:47 pm «

  Here’s what Ha’aretz says:

  British sources reported late Monday that though a British court had issued an arrest warrant for Livni over war crimes allegedly committed in Gaza while she served as foreign minister, it annulled it upon discovering she was not in the U.K.
• macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 6:53 pm «

  and the BBC story went on to say that the British government will attempt to amend British law so that English judges won’t be able to issue other such warrants.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8415161.stm
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 7:07 pm «

  That’s too bad that the UK would do that — basically, violate their own commitment to international law to appease Israel. The law seemed to pose no problem for the British government before — when it was likely to implicate war criminals from other countries — but now that it impacts Israel, they must rewrite a very important and essential law — one who’s purpose is to ensure war criminals don’t get to arbitrarily evade prosecution.

  I guess the British Government is following the US’s lead: Putting politics above the rule of law.
• macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 7:35 pm «

  Which English law is it that you see as very important and essential?

  I’m a bit inclined to doubt the validity of an English judge’s issuance of an arrest warrant based on a personal complaint for alleged crimes committed in Gaza and not involving citizens of Great Britain.

  It doesn’t seem like the correct court to try such a case.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 7:56 pm «

  :)

  Since your BBC article suggested that Foreign Secretary David Miliband was going to look for ways keep alleged Israeli war criminals from being arrested, then I would suspect they’d be looking at altering:

  1. “the 1988 Criminal Justice Act, which gives courts in England and Wales universal jurisdiction in war crimes cases”
  or,
  2. broadening the State Immunity Act in a way that it undermines the law above, and thus undermines the principle of Universal Jurisdiction, which holds that some alleged crimes are so grave that they can be tried anywhere, regardless of where the offences were committed.

  This has NOTHING to do with a “personal complaint”. This has everything to do with international law and the principles of Universal Jurisdiction.
• macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm «

  The arrest warrant was issued in response to requests of Palestinian plaintiffs.

  But, thank you, I appreciate the info on British law.

  Universal Jurisdiction is something that I but vaguely understand.
  Would you know the source or sources for it?
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:16 pm «

  Am I your google boy, now? :)
• macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 8:21 pm «

  Not at all. I certainly wasn’t intending to abuse your help.

  (Google boy does sound kinda clever)

  Thanks again for the previous info and sorry if you felt put upon.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm «

  Nah, I was just joking with you.
  For summaries you can read:
  Amnesty International

  Human Rights Watch

  “Despite the recent controversy it has provoked, the concept of universal jurisdiction for grave crimes in violation of international law is not a new concept. It was codified in an international treaty for the first time more than half a century ago, in the 1949 Geneva Conventions on the laws of war, which provide that states parties must prosecute or extradite those suspected of grave breaches of the conventions (war crimes). Universal jurisdiction enabled the state of Israel in 1961 to prosecute a senior Nazi official, Aldolf Eichmann, for his role in the Holocaust during the Second World War.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:18 pm «

  It irrelevant that the warrant was issued in response to requests by Palestinian plaintiffs, just like it doesn’t matter if a Nazi war criminal is noticed in Britain by a Jewish person, who goes to the courts and gets an arrest warrant for his arrest.
• MarkH December 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm «

  Not “politics”, but hopefully a higher Justice, and if not that, then at least something like pragmatic hopefulness to muddle through.
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:57 pm «

  I just can’t believe that a higher justice would immunize people who intentionally targeted civilians, their food supply, their water supply, their crops, their hospitals, their schools, and entire infrastructure. Gaza is one of the most dense places on the planet, and they annihilated it.

  Since they intentionally targeted the Gaza water supply, and continue the blockade there is now NO uncontaminated drinking water in Gaza. It’s a human rights catastrophe (borderline genocide):

  “In Gaza there is now no uncontaminated water; of the 40,000 or so newborn babies, at least half are at immediate risk of nitrate poisoning – incidence of “blue baby syndrome”, methaemoglobinaemia, is exceptionally high; an unprecedented number of people have been exposed to nitrate poisoning over 10 years; in some places the nitrate content in water is 300 times World Health Organisation standards; the agricultural economy is dying from the contamination and salinated water; the underground aquifer is stressed to the point of collapse; and sewage and waste water flows into public spaces and the aquifer.

  The blockade of Gaza has gone on for nearly four years, and the vital water and sanitation infrastructure went past creaking to virtual collapse during the three-week assault on the territory almost a year ago.”
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm «

  “Dispatches investigates one of the most powerful and influential political lobbies in Britain, which is working in support of the interests of the State of Israel.

  The pro-Israel lobby aims to shape the debate about Britain’s relationship with Israel and future foreign policies relating to it.

  Oborne examines how the lobby operates from within parliament and the tactics it employs behind the scenes when engaging with print and broadcast media. ”

  http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-42/episode-1
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 7:16 pm «

  Thanks bluebutterfly,

  Believe it or not, I already saw that video. It was fascinating. Mondoweiss, as usual, managed to find the video even though it had been banned from YouTube.

  Here’s the video where you can view it now: http://pulsemedia.org/2009/11/17/inside-britains-israel-lobby-full-episode/
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 7:48 pm «

  Good stuff does get removed frequently. It can be quite the search and rescue mission sometimes..’g’. It is here, too.

  http://onebigtorrent.org/torrents/7375/Dispatches–Inside-Britains-Israel-Lobby-2009-11-16-Ch-4
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 8:22 pm «

  Let’s hope cool heads prevail. Not holding my breath while waiting, though.
  *********
  “If Israel does attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it will undoubtedly result in a regional war after Iran and Syria signed a mutual defense agreement on Sunday. ”

  http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=20166
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:30 pm «

  Wow, I hadn’t heard that about Syria and Iran. Thanks for that. Fascinating. I hope that serves as a deterrent to Israel, but with Netanyahu at the wheel, there’s no telling …
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 8:57 pm «

  Amazing what one learns from the foreign press. The latest UK aid convoy to Gaza has made it to Turkey. Just guessing that you didn’t hear about that or the march in the US MSM.
  ****************
  http://swanseaactionforpalestine.blogspot.com/

  People from 42 countries have now signed on to the Gaza Freedom March.
  ****************
  http://www.codepinkalert.org//article.php?id=5025
• TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 9:10 pm «

  “People from 42 countries have now signed on to the Gaza Freedom March.
  ****************
  http://www.codepinkalert.org//article.php?id=5025”

  My guess is it will be well attended and still won’t get televised to the U.S. public.
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 9:14 pm «

  Yes it will and no it won’t.
8. TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 8:08 pm «

   macaquerman,

   This might be of some interest:

   From a post I wrote a while back, here’s a speech that Richard Goldstone gave in Israel in 2000 explaining the importance of Universal Jurisdiction:

   Goldstone said the Holocaust has shaped legal protocol on war, adding that it was “the worst war crime in the world.” He also said the perception of war crimes against humanity should resonate differently to Jewish ears, in light of how the Holocaust shaped conventions relevant to the subject.

   Goldstone added that as a jurist, he viewed the Holocaust as a unique occurrence because of how it affected judicial protocol on war, as well as international and humanitarian judicial approaches. [...]

   These crimes were so great, he explained, they went beyond their direct victims or the countries in which they were perpetrated, to harm humanity as a whole. This definition, he said, meant that perpetrators were to be prosecuted anywhere, by any country … This rational, he went on to say, constituted the basis for the concept of universal jurisdiction. [...]

   Israel, he added, was one of the first countries to support the formation of permanent court of law for crimes against humanity — a proposal that came up following the successful performance of the special tribunals on Bosnia. However, that changed, he said, after Egypt insisted at the Rome conference that the mandate of this permanent court include occupied territories. This prompted Israel to join the six other countries that voted against the formation of the International Court of Justice, including the United States, China and Libya.
9. macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 8:20 pm «

   I was composed my last as you posted yours.
   I grasp the idea of Universal Jurisdiction (and have the notion that the Israelis invoked it re Eichmann).

   My problem is grasping how it functions in this world as an instrument of law or justice.
10. TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 9:18 pm «

    bluebutterfly,
    This is off topic, I know how to get to my posts, but is there a way to pull up all your own comments? I’ve commented on other posts and now I can’t find the posts, and have no idea if people have responded.

    I actually have a WordPress blog, so you’d think I’d be able to figure it out. :)
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm «

  Nope..not that I know of. Many have been the times I’ve searched for something because I did not bookmark it..grrr. So..when commenting..bookmark right away and then remove it after comments close. I always feel bad when I miss a comment to me. Just hope that people realize I am not ignoring them when sometimes comments are closed before I return. Sometimes I send myself an e-mail describing a diary I might want to return to later because the headings around here can be very similar at times.
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 9:59 pm «

  Did you know that the US is bombing Yemen?
  **********
  “Yemen: Pentagon’s War On The Arabian Peninsula”

  http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/48454

  Guess who they smuggled out of Yemen into the US before the bombs fell?
  **********
  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124818.html
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 11:57 pm «

  “Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan stated that if Israel crossed over into Turkey’s airspace in order to bomb Iran then their answer to Israel shall be like that of an “earthquake“. ”

  http://www.politicaltheatrics.net/?p=1275
• bluebutterfly December 16th, 2009 at 2:35 am «

  Google translated. Charges were filed in Vienna on Dec.13/09.
  ***************
  At the Vienna public prosecutor
  or to the competent authority

  For crimes within the meaning of § 321 of the Penal Code, uA
  By Ehud BROK BROG aka Ehud Ehud Barak, as a further consequence
  BARAK called; Birth Date February 1942; birth Palestine, divorced;
  Lithuania assumed nationality, holder of a passport by the “State of Israel”

  Busy as Minister of Defense of the State of Israel “; ordinary Residence unknown; suspected entry into Austria via the airport at Schwechat suspected residence in Austria is the Imperial Hotel in Vienna, for which further information on the residence of the BARAK are from the Ministry of Defense, or in the Vienna City Hall, Mayor’s Office, is available.

  Adopted legal bases

  – Paragraph 321 Section 321 Criminal Code “genocide”, as well as other provisions of the Penal Code, last amended in The Austrian penal code, last amended in

  -The IV Geneva Convention of 12 August 1949 concerning the protection of civilians during armed conflicts, of Austria on 27 August 1953 is joined

  -The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide of 9 December 1949, with the Federal Law Gazette 91/1958, 9 May 1958 as an Austrian in latest version

  - The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, 17 July 1998, Is joined in December 2000

  – Other relevant Austrian laws and international agreements to which Austria joined

  http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpalestinethinktank.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F12%2FSACHVERHALT1.pdf&sl=de&tl=en
• TheCallUp December 16th, 2009 at 4:33 am «

  Israeli officials are probably going to soon realize they can’t leave their own country without risking arrest. I think their refusal to investigate themselves with an independent and open inquiry speaks volumes. They’re afraid their own courts would find them guilty of war crimes.
• lumtitum December 16th, 2009 at 6:50 am «

  Investigate themselves? Investigate ‘THEMSELVES’, did you say?? That’s like the Chicago Police Department “investigating themselves” for police mis-conduct. Of course they will find their officers wholly free of any mis-conduct. A self-investigation is also called a WHITEWASH!!!
11. TheCallUp December 15th, 2009 at 9:53 pm «

    That’s cool. Thanks for letting me know. I guess I’ll just have to browse around and see if I can find some of them.
12. macaquerman December 15th, 2009 at 10:04 pm «

    No and nobody else knows that the US is bombing Yemen.

    And WTF do you mean by “smuggled’?
• bluebutterfly December 15th, 2009 at 11:54 pm «

  Do you not read links before you ask questions? You want a WTF answer..go ask the authors of both articles..not me.
• macaquerman December 16th, 2009 at 9:15 am «

  Yes, I do read links. Do you read them before posting them? WTF do you mean by “smuggled’?
• bluebutterfly December 16th, 2009 at 11:31 am «

  Too funny..mac pretends the article heading was written by me. I repeat..go ask the author, not me.
  *********
  “Yemen Jews smuggled to U.S. amid rising inter-faith tensions
  By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Service “
13. lumtitum December 16th, 2009 at 6:48 am «

    BAH-Humbug!!! Political posturing, NO more. None of these arrest warrants meant anything, because they were immediately dissolved. The Isreallis (I did not say ‘Jews’) have infiltrated the governments of the UK and the US to such an extent that they are being run by them. Quit assisting in pulling wool over our eyes.
• bluebutterfly December 16th, 2009 at 11:14 am «

  We can hope that it is not. Will have to wait and see. Even if Austria does back down, I still think the charges send a good message. These war criminals might be smug during public appearances, but they will be looking behind them for the rest of their lives. If the US was not their protector, a number of them would be already enjoying a vacation at the ICC. Who are you saying is assisting them? If you directed that at me..LOL. As Joe Biden proudly declared..”You don’t have to be Jewish to be a Zionist”.
• macaquerman December 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am «

  You are a great help to the Zionists,bb.

  When people don’t keep their criticisms credible, and instead veer off into twilight zone territory and insane conspiracies, it blunts the force of reasonable charges of criminality.
• bluebutterfly December 16th, 2009 at 11:35 am «

  hahahaha…..Me helping the Zionists. Mac..you funny. Austria’s case looks straight forward to me. Are you going to tell the court in Vienna that they are wrong? If so, let us know what reply you get from them.
• macaquerman December 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am «

  Austria’s case has nothing to do with it,bb.
  It’s when you link to shit like “It Wasn’t Muslims” which claims that it was a combination of Israeli agents and Rudolf Guiliani that conducted the 9/11 attacks and the attacks in London, that you make yourself an obstacle to any reasoned assessment of Israeli behavior.
14. medicinecat December 16th, 2009 at 6:54 am «

    To the bigots posting here: Someone once said “the effort to combat psychotic predjudice with reason is not only folly, it is an act of capitulation”. So stop arguing with those who hate Jews; shun them instead.
• bluebutterfly December 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am «

  Who is a bigot here in your opinion? We are actually very well informed around here. We know what a Zionist is and trying to play the anti Semite card indirectly won’t accomplish anything. Find me one poster who you think hates anyone who practices the Jewish religion. Just one…I’ll wait. We don’t shun people here. Not even the obvious trolls.
15. Clavis December 16th, 2009 at 7:24 am «

    I reject geographical biases. I reject religious biases. I reject racial biases. So what am I to admire about any group of people that prides themselves on maintaining their geographical, religious and/or racial insularity?
• macaquerman December 16th, 2009 at 9:43 am «

  That they’re also wrong about the divinity of their Emperor?

  That they’re not really inhabiting a “Middle Kingdom” between Heaven and Earth?

  That refusing to have a small nation of a different group living amongst them shows that they don’t play well with others?
16. captainkona December 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am «

    The charges are just. It would be soothing to international relations if Israeli terrorism was treated as the crime it is. One of the primary reasons there is so much hostility between the West and Islam in general is that we call violence by Muslims “terrorism” and the exact same violence by Jews “self defense”.

    Can’t help but admire the courage of the British court for standing up for international law. Nor can I help but loath the cowardice of Gordon Brown as he grovels before the feet of genocidal criminals.

    If there’s any justice in this world, all members of the Israeli hierarchy should be in danger of arrest if they venture abroad.