Life gets in the way sometimes, even for gardeners, so here I am with no seeds started (oh, the horror!), and scrambling around at the last minute (didn’t follow my own advice last fall, but what the heck) trying to figure out what we’re going to do. We’re still snow-covered here, but unless we get some major snow (sorry people in New England who are still digging out from the last snow; in Upstate NY, we didn’t get very much and have since had warm weather and some rain), not for long.
And without snow cover, we know what is going to happen: the soil is going to warm up. What to do…oh, what to do?
OK – if I want to speed things along, I can scrape off the snow off one of the beds and put to work our ‘old window over some lumber’ trick, which warms up the soil PDQ. And I can either order or go through our local seed racks (at this point, the seeds will still be pretty good) for what I can use right away and get started.
So, what can I use ‘right away’ (or what passes for that here)? Well, if I can get the soil temperatures up to 50+ degrees F, I can plant:
- Anything from the CABBAGE family: broccoli, kale, cabbage, Chinese cabbages and mustards, cauliflower, kohlrabi.
- Anything from the BEET family: beets, Swiss and other chards
- Various sorts of lettuces and other greens
- Spinach
And frankly, I have had just as good (if not better, actually) experience just putting the seeds into the ground rather than starting them and setting out the plants.
This year, for the first time, I am doing the research in terms of ‘who owns/controls/has agreements with who’ in terms of seed suppliers. There is part of me that is considering very seriously going with Seed Savers Exchange or another heritage seed group, just to make sure that the sticky GM fingers of Monsanto, Bayer, Dow et al. are not on there. I might even save seeds at the end of the summer (which is actually not all that hard to do; I’ll be happy to go over that if anyone is interested). Here’s an amazing factoid about ‘germ plasm ownership’: The number 5 organization in terms of who owns/controls seed germ plasm in…the…world… is……. Land o’ Lakes. The butter people. I kid you not. Look it up.
I’m also thinking seriously about trying, for the first time, to grow parsnips, strictly from having a plate with a whack-load of parsnip/apple puree on it. Yummy. Anyone with experience growing parsnips? I figure that since we’ve had some success with carrots, I will be able to grow parsnips (long pointy veggies under the ground? All the same? Or am I wrong?). We’re also going strictly production tomatoes this year: grow what we use, which is plum tomatoes. I might sacrifice some space to one slicing tomato (so that the DH will be able to make his beloved ‘mayo/black pepper/sliced tomatoes on horrible commercial white bread’ sandwiches), plus one cherry tomato, but other than that, I’ve decided not to bother. If I can find a plum tomato that comes from Eastern Europe or Russia, I’m sold.
The big work this spring will be on a bed we started last year with compost from the county landfill, which was compost in the same way that some Democrats in the House are Democrats. I don’t think I’ve seen as high a ‘wood chip to actual organic material’ ratio in anything other than saw dust in a long time. So that bed was as close to a dead loss as you can get. We’ll dump all the real compost out of the bins into there in the spring. I might even do nothing with that area but grow buckwheat 3 or 4 times (if nothing else, it will feed the bees really well) in the summer to put some more stuff into it. Anyone else have any ideas for cover crops that would do improvement there?
So, where is everyone else in their gardening? Any of you folks in southwest or southeast started? Or is it too dry? I’m not feeling all that good up here about that either – we’re having another dry winter like last winter, which does not predict good things.
You know the drill – fill up the coffee cups, pull the scones out of the oven and let’s talk.




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Good morning, People!!! Everyone got their ‘hot drink of choice”? I’m drinking ‘anti-flu tea’: ginger, honey and lemon in lots of hot water.
Good Morning, Does the tea mean you’ve got the flu? Or, Is it working?
Good morning Toby! I was going to purchase a home before I lost my job back in 2009 and I still haven’t given up on that idea. It was primarily so my cat could have some outdoors to enjoy and so I could make a vegetable garden. Maybe if all of the austerity talk ever goes away I’ll be confident enough to think about it again.
Coffee and scones? I was thinking about a bacon sandwich.
Thanks, Toby, your choice of tomatoes is like the practice here in my new stomping grounds in PA, lots of the variety they use for tomato sauce and juice. I always favored cherry tomatoes in TX, because they don’t need spraying there. It will be awhile here before the tilling and we did get snow. But most of our pups will be facing a dry season, I see that 56% of our country is in drought, and this is the season we ought to be usually building up water levels for spring planting.
Oh, it’s working. I was starting to feel that ‘tickle in the back of the throat/ice pick in my left eye/low-gie’ feeling earlier in the week and I started drinking gallons of this stuff and I’ve been able to hold that whole thing at bay. I’m a big believer.
You could study permaculture and learn about growing perennial vegetables and trees. Then you wouldn’t have to worry about seeds or doing a lot of pointless manual labor for little benefit every year.
And as an added bonus, Monsanto wouldn’t bother getting their grubby hands on things sea kale or moringa or the various fruit trees you could be growing. Think about it.
Well, thanks. Good for you, so keep feeling better. It’s been
a bad season.
Good Morning, Toby and thanks for the post.
I grew several kinds of lettuce all winter and in fact started some more a couple weeks ago.
I’ve been focused on indoor projects and haven’t decided what to do with the very small backyard. Last spring/summer we had lots of tomatoes and zucchini mostly. We’ll probably do something similar, but better planned. We learned a few things last year and I’m looking forward to doing a better job, but just not yet.
Ruth – frankly, I see long-term drought as becoming the norm in many parts of the country. Gardeners might want to bone up on dry country gardening techniques, including concentrating plants around a hole that they put something like a jar with holes or a gallon milk jug with holes cut into it which gets filled once a day, early in the day. When municipalities start fining people for watering their lawns and washing their cars, we’ll know that they are taking things seriously.
Morning, Margaret! Bacon sammich. Hmmm. I like doing that with a nuked scrambled egg…
let’s see now – permanent veggies. Well, bunching onions are almost permanent, and then there is asparagus. Garlic is pretty close, too.
I’m concentrating on convincing the DH to put his sunflowers and corn at the western end of the garden. He managed to find the one spot last year for the sunflowers which frankly shaded out everything on either side. Those were amazing sunflowers for it was truly depressing to go out and see the poor little tomatoes crouching in the next row. :(
Wind came up last night and I heard something clump on the deck, my 18 egg crate of tomato seedlings blew off the table I lost all but about six. This is the second disaster, I drowned all but one the first try last month. It’s about 8 inches high now. Guess I’ll get another pack of seeds. My last surviving tomato plant from last year gave me three earlier this month. No frost so far this year on Galveston island.
Oh, there has to be a fried egg on top.
Good morning everyone.
Thank you for the post Toby.
I am interested in the growing of Parsnips as I always include them with the veggies in making a pot roast.
demi got me hooked on Zucchini so this year that goes in the garden.
I can’t recall ever having experienced frost on Galveston. I’ll bet there was some in the winter of 1985 though!
I hear ya. We planted the zucchini too close together and they ended up taking over way too much of the garden. Originally there was a pathway down the middle, but that soon got zuccinized. Had to cut those big leaves back to get to the tomatoes.
We live and learn.
I’ve written down your water jug tip. Going to try that. And, thanks for the sunflower plants reminder and will try some of them, planted along the wrought iron fence behind the tomatoes so that they will enjoy their sunshine.
Ah, Joel – do you get gardening ‘seasons’ there or is it just one long gardening thing for you? sorry about your tomato seedlings – Question – did they break – how big are they? If they are second leaf stage or so (I had this happen and saved them this way)you can save them. You’ll need some rooting hormone. Take the broken ones, clean off the spot where they broke off, dip them in the rooting hormone and put them back into the pots. Give them plenty of water and some protection for several days until they get settled. I had this happen literally after I’d put them into the ground and they are about 1/8″ around. Seriously, I just cleaned off the bottoms, dipped ‘em, put them back into the ground and covered them with some row cover for a few days and gave them plenty of water. They came back like champs.
Zuccinized!!! Oh, I’m stealing that one, demi!! We used to grow spaghetti squash and the only way we could keep those suckers from taking over everything was to plant them on one edge of the garden and when they started to cross the lawn, the DH would mow anything that encroached with the lawn mower. Worked well, actually. I don’t advocate the same method with chives, however. I used to have a row of them on one side and the DH once mowed them down and I thought he was having some horrible allergic reaction. He was choking and crying when he came into the house.
There was a serious cold spell 3?4? years ago here, neighbors lost a huge avacado (spelling?) never mind, lost a guacamole tree.
The thing about Galveston is that it’s a sand bar and if you dig down a few feet most places of the island, you’ll encounter what my boss used to call “boiling sand” in which sea water bubbles up through the sand. Joel, do you have to import soil or are you high enough up to have some stable ground there?
Good morning! Just a drive-by this morning, headed to Farmer’s Market (the fish vendor is back from his holiday hiatus – YAY), a quick stop at the grocery, and then dress rehearsal for tonight’s concert.
I can’t grow anything on my densely shaded small lot, so I buy a lot of veggies at the Farmer’s Market. Last year I bought LOTS of tomatoes and roasted them with garlic and onion, then processed them coarsely in the Cuisinart with basil, and froze the sauce in one-cup portions in freezer bags. I just thaw one when I want tomato sauce, great over pasta (but gets a little watery when heated).
Have a great day, everyone!
They’re probably easier to grow than weed here, which I can’t grow because we live on a hill and it would be very visible.
I’m already looking forward to the weekly trips to MEND, taking them those baseball bat sized vegetables.
Good to see you, Jimmy.
Are you out of GS cookies?
LMAO! You can spell guacamole but not avocado? Now that’s a true Texan.
Yes, I’d think salt poisoning would be a problem – raised beds?
Have a great day, Molly!!
Toby, The sun flowers go on the far north side of the garden, then the corn, then the reefer, then the tomatoes, then the little things. Mkay.
Good morning demster! I was soooooooo sorely tempted by the cute little girl scouts and there table of cookies outside the grocery store yesterday but I’m sticking with my diet. I lost six pounds last week. w00t!
Good plan. I had rolling trash cans that I filled with water to take out to the garden in the mornings when I worked and had to do garden things before getting off to work.
Some parts of the island are pretty high up. Much higher than anywhere in Texas City or La Porte for example, which are on the mainland. There are some very old oak trees growing there.
If my beds ran the right way, I’d do it that way but I’ve gotta work with what I’ve got and if I put the sunflowers at the far west end, they’ll not cast their shadow until the end of the day when the sun isn’t worth much at my house anyway. :)
I gotta say that when I was raising big vegetable gardens, I noticed that saving the seeds from the previous year’s crops was the ticket.
If the plants had done well, the seeds were acclimatize to the conditions in my garden and were even better the following spring.
We have such a short growing season in the high desert that some plants just had to be started or bought early.
Now, with the drought, the water costs so much, I doubt I’ll be doing big gardens anymore.
All I’m trying now is to get some SHADE around my garden area, otherwise, the temps just fry everything.
We’ve lost a lot of shade trees around here…one way or another
Ah, so. The good stuff between the corn and the tomatoes, gotcha. I might try some next to the larger tomato plants. They got pretty big last year and could easily be camouflage. Hmmmmm. Pondering and planning.
Thanks, TW, It’s very frustrating to me how folks do not, I mean DO NOT take advantage of this climate. Trees especially, there are so many edibles that produce big time here and people concentrate on flowering stuff to look at. This will no doubt change. My fruit trees are starting their third year in my possession I expect good things to happen.
Ruth – I know this sounds (to those folks who live in dry areas of the country)like a huge deal, but because my house is at the bottom of a hill and we have underground springs that run all…year…long, I have a lot of hydrostatic pressure in my basement (I’m the only person I know with TWO sump pumps) During garden season, we run a hose from the closest one up out of the basement window and use that in the garden. We’re running the pump all day long as it is, so we may as well give the water a chance to get used in the garden instead of just running it out to the ditch in front of the house.
Hi TobyWollin,
NW Florida checking in. We have just finished harvesting the last of the turnips, beets. The broccoli and cauliflower were taken up last month. Carrots, spinach and spring onions are doing great, although the spinach will soon bolt.
I grew up in Zone 7/8, but the past ten years, we have planted according to Zone 9. I works. No pests.
Potatoes are in the ground. Winter Squash, tomatoes, cucumbers, lettuce, collards, peppers and onions will be planted around the first week of March.
While you are enjoying your summer garden, mine is dying in the heat.
Cover crops are not an option for us. We cover the garden areas with tarps to kill the nematodes that infest our peppers, eggplant, sweet potatoes and tomatoes. We are having success this method.
Florida much the same. Those strawberries are on trucked in soil, not like the tasty ones from here.
Yes – I would think devoting whatever water you’ve got into growing trees would be your best bet, frankly. Trees moderate temperatures and hold humidity closer to the ground – slowing down desertification. Good idea.
Do say more!! I’m in Mass, and have replaced windows (amazing difference in cozy quotient) and have old ones i’m saving for gardening efforts, but don’t quite know how to deploy them. Thanks, Aunt Toby!
What a beautiful recycling system. The plants use the water and the excess goes right back into the water table. Yep, much better than into a ditch.
Wow, 6 pounds? Good for you. Getting ready for bikini season?
I haven’t seen anyone selling GS cookies here yet. Gonna keep an eye peeled, though.
You have fabulous self control, Peg. Happy for ya.
Good Morning, Kassandra.
May I be so bold as to ask which high desert you live in?
Have you got the option of saving water from washers and baths? That helps, and I did much watering in TX by buckets of used washwater.
Bikini season? HA! At 52, I’m sure I would frighten more people than I please. No, my weight has been creeping back up and a work friend recently got diagnosed with really high blood pressure and some diabetes and while my blood pressure has been mostly under control, this is more for health reasons than anything else.
Ah, ok. I have a book recommendation for you then:
Perennial Vegetables: From Artichokes to Zuiki Taro, A Gardener’s Guide to Over 100 Delicious and Easy to Grow Edibles [Paperback]
There’s true perennials appropriate for every part of the country listed in there. It’s a good Companion book for “Edible Forest Gardens”, which is another great couple of books that are specifically appropriate for the Northeast US.
http://www.amazon.com/Perennial-Vegetables-Artichokes-Gardeners-Delicious/dp/1931498407
http://www.amazon.com/Edible-Forest-Gardens-2-set/dp/1890132608/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361022262&sr=1-1&keywords=edible+forest+gardens
Take the plunge into no-till gardening! It’s worth it.
Oh, I’m a big believer in using edible landscaping. We had to remove some diseased trees and we replaced them with something that is referred to here as ‘shadblow’ (it’s technically called amelchior – there are a lot of species that are native up here and up into far northern Canada so I know they will grow here at Chez Siberia). This tree has lovely little white flowers in the early spring (ok, so I get my flowering) and then they make cherry-like berries which can be used to make jam, preserves, pies and so on. there are many items you can plant which give you flowers and fruit – why not get a twofer out it?
M, If you haven’t been here since Ike, you would not recognize Broadway. The salt water killed most of those huge oaks. They are being replaced by those tall palmy trees like you see on a Florida postcard, dunno what they are called.
Good morning all and thanks for the post Aunt Toby.
Excellent. Now if you visit the neighbor’s horse barn, you’re in idyllic territory.
As long as you don’t use harsh chemicals, I don’t see why grey water from baths and the wash can’t be used for plants. Not a bad reusing/recycling idea.
Just make a frame out of pressure treated or heat treated (no chemicals puhleese)lumber – 1x8s are good. Like a box with no bottom – make it as wide as the windows are tall and then as long as however many windows you’ve got. Put the frame over a bed or beds, lay the windows on top and voila. if you have any spots underneath the box part where the soil doesn’t meet it (so you’d have a leak), just shovel some dirt or rocks or something there to keep it better sealed. You don’t need it to be actually air tight and you wouldn’t actually.
D’oh. What a great idea. Why didn’t I think of that?
My bathroom is in the back and there’s a window right over the tub that looks out right where the garden is. Hose, tub, garden. Bam!
tsuki – oh yes, you guys have challenges that we never see up here in terms of soil pests. But we get late blight, so I guess it evens out. :)
On, no! Not the oaks! Broadway used to be so beautiful in the summer when those trees were full of leaves and birds. My question is, have all those wall to wall homes on west beach been rebuilt? I pretty much lived on west beach in the summers of ’76, ’77 and ’78. I hate to see tragedy but I didn’t mourn when most of those homes were knocked down and washed away by a storm.
Yeah, but. Looking good is healthful too. :)
I associate no-till with massive plant killer chemicals?
ooo, thank you for the title recommendation – this will be a new thing for us here. Great idea.
Sure, spring is coming… except if you live in central Massachusetts. It’s snowing again just a week after we got a blizzard that dumped 2 1/2 feet of snow on us.
Mrs. JP and I are screwed and not in a cigarette-smoking-while-looking-at-the-ceiling good way, either.
Hey do, oldnslow.
Do you think you and Kris will be putting in a small garden this year. I just know the girls would really enjoy the project.
We had our first barbeque last night. New York Steaks.
Since you all cook so much, a garden would be perfect. Shish kabobs with home grown tomatoes and bell peppers. The Yum. And you can grill sliced zucchini too.
Fuck off!
You never sugar coat it. Ha.
Most of the oaks that survived are towards the east end which is higher. There was 6 to 8 feet of salt water on most of the island for several hours during Ike. I didn’t live here then so don’t know the details. My house is built on fill about 6 feet above the street and up on sticks so did not get wet but there was 4 feet of water in the garage. All the neighbors in the older houses to the south had about 8 feet of water inside. Dunno about ‘west beach houses’
Who is here from Massachusetts who has contacts to help out here?
I sure would like to grow some veggies this year. I have a thing for tomatoes so would really like to grow some. My favs are the Roma. (fine dice of just the meat, fine dice of onion, little bit of buttermilk, little bit of mayo, salt, pepper, delightful)
Kris does such a masterful job with his smoker it would be a real treat to throw in some homegrown veggies. I agree with the thinking that the girls would love also.
Not quite plums, but tomatoes from Poland: http://www.polartcenter.com/default.asp#.UR-Pw_Kzm4w. The actual seeds come from this company: http://www.legutko.com.pl/.
I ordered a pack of each kind (from the Polish arts site) and got them (and a bunch of other seeds) within a week. I do not know how they will do here in central Maryland, but we shall see.
That was before your time then. West Beach used to be wall to wall McMansion style homes. I don’t remember which storm knocked most of them down. There was talk of rezoning the area to prevent rebuilding after the storm but I left the area soon thereafter so I don’t know what became of that debate. I had assumed the wealthy home owners had carried the day. When do they not?
Excellent point!
Thanks so much!!
Here’s a link to MEND’s Seeds to Supper program, where in the kids got to learn gardening on Saturdays.
spud,
How many acres do you farm? What do you grow? Where do you get seeds? Or, do you put up seeds at the end of the season?
(thanks for the link to the walk behind tractors. I was enthralled)
This is a monthly appeal, that has been going on for some few years.
Thanks! Looks like a very cool program.
You are most welcome…I hope you find something you like!
It is such an honor to be of even a little help to you…I have learned so much from your postings here and at http://www.kitchencountereconomics.com/! I think of you every time I look at my son’s apple tree that needs serious pruning! He is young and I am older (duh!) but I think the only way I will be able to get him to do the job will be to start it myself. Then he will come along and show me how to do it better.
And with a quick and dirty search, here is a source for more Russian tomatoes: http://www.amishlandseeds.com/russian_tomatoes.htm
It’s also a great way to teach and learn the lesson that we reap what we sow.
Apple tree pruning – DO IT NOW!!
Awesome. Taking notes like crazy.
I plant about three acres of corn in the pasture for my deer herd and the turkeys. I give my hay field away. This end of the farm is all that’s left of two farms, the other has all the fields. I get my plants from the Amish green houses in the neighborhood, all organic perfection. I don’t mess with seeds. This year the garden will be for three people instead of two. I’ll plant what ever is chosen when I turn Ruth loose at the greenhouse. My strawberry patch is to be replanted this spring, June bearing are my favorite, so sweet. J.W.Jung Seed Co. a place we trust highly.
Good morning demi. Stepped away from the computer for awhile and just back.
I am going to give the Parsnips a try this year and as I said upthread, you really, really got me hooked on Zucchini.
Hope you have a great weekend. Cold here but no snow so it is getting me more interested in thinking Spring.
GM gardners! I had a sewer problem a month or so ago and tried to find some cleanouts I have in the yard. I have dug the entire area where I thought they were and still can’t find them. I hope the digging eventually turns up the clean outs, and in the mean time am trying to move in the direction of having some paths that will help to keep the bermuda grass out of my gardens. It is a battle I have been fighting for more than 20 years, I am sick of it.
I have some black krim tomato seeds and some lettuce mix in beautiful packets I got from a friend at the holidays, so I am getting itchy to go. The BK tomatoes were to DIE FOR last summer.
Nematodes are the worst. It is also called Southern Root Rot. And there is a chemical company out there willing to sell you a poison to sow into the earth to combat it.
For Southern gardeners, tarping in the extreme heat WORKS. You starve them and heat the soil which will kill them. Our tomatoes last year were beautiful. And the peppers and eggplant prolific.
Our favorite is Pine Tree Garden Seeds because I can get small packets and packets of mixes (like, lots of different sorts of broccoli, lettuces and so on). I used to use Harris Seeds out of Rochester but they are now owned by a unit of Monsanto.
my 2012 vow to get better at fertilizing my garden has paid off, and am enjoying broccoli, purple cauliflower, and all sorts of greens right now. my wildflower bed has just started to open up, so getting more color amongst the green.
Thanks.
Does the reefer taste better when it grows between the corn and the tomatoes? (i do understand tallest away from the sun but was just wonderin)
I have heard and read great stuff about Black Krim (actually about all ‘black’ Russian tomatoes). Most short season tomatoes that I’ve grown up here have all the taste of paper towels, so I’m thinking that Russian tomatoes are the way to go. We’ve also had great luck with growing peppers from Eastern Europe and Russia as well. Short season…but lots of flavor and success and they seem to grow fast enough that we can miss most of the late summer/early fall diseases.
Do marigolds have any effect at all? Or is that just Burpee hype?
I think mushroom mycelium keeps away nematodes – will have to research this.
And PS, would love to help out Jurassic Park and wife, but have no income – laid off at age 60, and a couple horrendous part time jobs, spent down all my savings putting new shingles on the roof (had buckets under leaks for a few years and scared black mold would take over, am 64 1/2 and am shocked Social Security is age 66!
OK, I’m just jealous.
OandS,
If heat is the problem along with the hot sun, some kind of light colored shade cloth suspended, thinking hooped frame, translucent, breathable fabric, just over the tops of the plants that cuts the mid-day intensity might be a solution. Open sides all around for easy access. I have used half of an old bed sheet stapled to two long sticks suspended over two raised horizontal sticks to protect transplants for short periods after transplanting.
Morning Toby, sorry I can’t hang around too much with this, one of my favorite self-preservation activities.
Permaculture is the way to go – am studying that, too!
Link to New York Time; Permaculture, a Love Story
Thanks for the timely post, Toby.
I’ve taken notes and am now inspired to finish the LR project soon so that I can start on the garden. Oh, boy.
Thanks also to all the commenters.
Have a great weekend, all.
To be fair, I do use seeds for the lettuce varieties.
I have a great compost bin that I have been working for over 20 years. Red worms are the best thing I added about 10 years ago. They really kick ass.
thanks for stopping by anyway!! My favorite row cover,believe it or NOT, are old sheer curtains. I pick them up cheaply at garage sales, etc. They are usually nylon or polyester (ok, petroleum evil but basically indestructible), fine enough to thwart everything from those little white butterflies that lay eggs that turn into the little green worms that eat into anything from the cabbage fam to all sort of other nasty bugs, and they usually reflect a bit of sun because they are light colors. Also, stuff like lightweight Remay(tm) tears and with my ham-fisted way of doing things, I usually only get one season out of them.The curtains? They are the Eveready Bunnie of row covers, IMHO.
Shade is essential to growing peppers even in N.TX., and rolls of chicken wire will do fine, support themselves in fact.
Thanks for the great post, Aunt Toby, and for your @63.
Good morning, PUAC pupses. bg and Toby, love Black Krim! They look like they have been frozen and thawed (nasty!) but are delicious.
We had great luck growing them with sheep manure, which evidently doesn’t burn, even if pretty fresh.
I’ve been informed I have to include beans and and carrots in my seed count. I hate beans.
good morning. i need to make my hot beverage so i’ll brb, but i wanted to share my Happy News of the Day.
recently, my best friend called me and informed me he was going under the knife… for brain surgery. i was devastated and crying and it was Horrible. they didn’t know what it was and it could’ve been the Big C and he’s only 40.
last night, i got the call from his family. and it’s not cancer! it’s a parasitic infection that can be cured with drugs. he’s going to live. LIVE, i say. i am so very happy and relieved i’m peeing candy and shitting rainbow unicorns.
Is this outside or inside? We’ve done worms in our basement in compost but we have issues keeping them alive (temperatures? pH in the can?).
We moved into town 5 years ago and have very little space. My current thinking is to make 3 or 4 rectancle boxes and put them on the 12′ x 20′ patio we have. (The patio is on the south side of the house.) Several tomato plants, zuchs, peppers maybe vidalia onion and a 3′ or so round for herbs. I don’t worry so much about the heat. I can water enough.
Do you hate them on general principle or ? Up here, the only been that works for me is Royal Burgundy, which will not rot and will germinate even in my cold wet clay soil (say that three times fast). From a preservation side, however, I have yet to find a snap bean that does not turn into cardboard when its been blanched and frozen, so I just can mine.
Well, I tried that and the plants didn’t seem to like the soap. I’ve switched soaps, so maybe they’ll like it better.
Morning bgrothus,
Put down some water permeable landscape fabric that the grass cannot penetrate, build a raised bed frame 2×10′s and fill it with new soil/compost mix. Size the frame for being easy to reach the middle from either side and to the amount of garden you care to try to manage. Grass beneath will eventually die, but won’t be encroaching in the mean time. Mulch the plants to conserve moisture, moderate soil temps.
HOLY SHIT. A parasite? Ayyyyyyy. HTF did he get that? OK, let’s not even go there. I’m very happy for you and your friend. One of these days, I’ll tell the story of how a long time ago, I worked in a hospital bacteriology lab and we took care of an elderly Lebanese lady who got herself one hell of a tapeworm infestation by making something called kibbe. No one knew until she was brought in with what was thought to be… a heart attack…..
The tomatoes and peppers will go like gangbusters with that system. I’ve had my best production on peppers by putting mine into gallon milk jugs and putting them on the black asphalt driveway… (hey, it doesn’t get real hot at Chez Siberia, ya know?)
I make kibbe, too, but always cook it thoroughly. Even more thoroughly, in future, shudder.
One thing you can do about tall weed plants is to bend the plant over; pull the growing stalk over and tie it down, and let the stalk continue to grow up again. Increases the amounts of flowers, too, as new sites on the stalk reprogram as top-sunny spots and set flowers.
I have Appalachian Black Sand here. Quessions???
Smells like a pine forest, tastes like naked singin from a wind mill. The stake down horizontal method works best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyQi-1Z2tN8
Boxed beds can be 4 ft square – and there’s a book; “Square Foot Gardening.”
Very good.
They sure seemed to keep the bugs down and the critters away form my gardens!
I’ve tried that, but as one gets older, it’s hard on the back to lean over and reach that 2 feet to the middle :). The 2 foot wide design of nonqui’s seems like a good idea….
I’m actually excited about giving it a try. I did see that Ruth said shade is essential for growing peppers in TX and did not know that. I have a partial roll of black landscape fabric, is that too much shade? You mentioned shears, it seems to me that would let much more light through.
Yeah, but they put nitrogen back into the soil
I tried vermiculture, and will again – the liquid i poured off and diluted for the houseplants was miraculous – i have stunning plants now. Unfortunately, i put too much watery stuff in their bin (melon rinds and cucumber pith) and they drowned. **sob**
i should do some gardening today. the daffodils are opening and other stuff is coming up and it’s actually warmer out there than it is in the house.
i need to erect a compost unit. the one at my old house was huge and i used it daily. leaves, food waste, grass clippings… if it was organic i composted it.
have yall heard of “lasagna” composting? it’s a nifty idea and i do a variant myself.
Yes, I think that the sheers would be too sheer for you – there are various other grades of remay you might try, OR (per my scrounge method), check garage sales for loosely woven fiberglass curtains (the holes are usually an inch wide but the fabric is heavier so they throw more shade). You can also find shade fabrics at places like farmtek.com. I bought some and made a cover for our deck which has basically returned the usefulness of that item inthe summertime.
Good Morning Aunt Toby and PUACdogs,
going to add Principe Borghese tomato to our seeds order
some refer to them as piennolo’s, but technically that’s the name of the little bundles southern Italian families hang them in –
great for smoking (there’s now a smoker in our driveway) or simply hanging them up in a cool place and ‘aging’ them
supposed to be the best for sauce and pastes – want, want, want !
y’all have a great week end
OK, everyone – how do you keep away the dreaded groundhog? He digs wicked tunnels, climbs chicken wire fences, etc. I gave up on veg last year and just planted stinky herbs (heh).
OK, folks – I’ve got to go – there’s a new post up at the mothership. Tah – hugs to you all. Have a great week and eat your veggies. :)
Hi Kathryn,
I’ve used old storm windows as season extenders by simply leaning the longest edges of two windows against each other to make a inverted “V,” over the short row or narrow garden bed. A couple layers of cardboard cut to triangle shape to fill the end space or a couple pieces of plywood cut to shape to hold the weight of the old windows.
If they are wood framed, lay some straw or old boards on the ground to keep the window frames out of the dirt. Putting a thick layer of straw around the bed outside the window protected area, will be nice to kneel on and help allow the bed protected by the windows to retain some warmth.
Google cold frames would be the next suggestion. Good Luck
Hav-a-Hart Traps.
In fact, I built a circular fence AND LINED THE FLOOR WITH WIRE MESH! One piece of mesh had 4 inch openings in the top half, and damned if the groundhog tunneled up under that opening!!!!!!111!!!!
Wonderful news that it is not cancer.
Really annoying audio advertisements at every refresh. That’s it for me. Thinking Spring.
Thanks again Aunt Toby. Great post and thread.
I don’t know of it would work, but blood meal kept the squirrels away from my tomatoes. They would gnaw the bottoms off the tomatoes just as they started to ripen. I sprinkled the meal around base of the plants and when watered it gave off a fairly disgusting aroma that the squrrels couldn’t abide. Lost not a single tomato afterwards.
I did a 3 day battle with Hav-a-Hart Traps – day one i was so farklempt that there was a beast in the trap that i let him go. Damn! i washed and bated the trap again, and this time was prepared. put paper down in the back seat and drove him not that far away, but a great spot. Neighbors, btw, volunteered to dispatch the creature because he did a number on their gardens too, but felt i should be able to do whatever myself. Rebated the trap just in case, and next day he was in the trap again! i have a small river by the garden so resolved to throw the trap in there… which i did. So horribly upsetting – the river was too shallow to be effective and he was frantic and i couldn’t do it anymore. He avoided the place for a while, but is back.
Spud gardens close to the dogs, and they will keep groundhogs from burrowing near. Large dogs are good for many things.
I find buzzards are very helpful at removing unwanted whistle pig parts.
wolf piss. you can get it from the local taxidermist. stinks to high heaven, but it works.
I’ve never known anyone else who calls them whistle pigs :). Love the name.
So glad about your friend.
I used the traps for possums that like to visit inside. Then would drive a good distance away before letting them out, actually removing them to the next town where there’d be lots of garbage to scour. Spud assures me the next possums that arrived weeks or months later are my same ones, but I live in hope.
Cat on the mantel investigating the vase of tulips….. intervention needed. Have a good Saturday, pupses.
Ohmmmm
I’ve used “Summer Alfalfa” from Johnny’s Selected Seeds here in Maine. It has enormous taproots and is a nitrogen-fixer. It mostly dies over the winter (but it’s still a bear to turn over in the spring). The improvement in soil quality is amazing. It works best for a bed that’s dedicated to be in a cover crop for that entire season.
Of course the standard cover crop to plant in the fall is winter rye. It also really improves the texture of the soil. But it’s tricky to time when you till it under in the spring (because it doesn’t die over the winter). Too soon, and your bare soil degrades while you’re waiting to plant; too late and you have big clumps of rye trying to decompose while your newly-planted veges are trying to get going.
I’ve been told (but haven’t tried it myself) that you can use dwarf white clover as a permanent living mulch for taller plants….it’s also a nitrogen-fixer. Happy gardening!!
We tried that before I found out about tarping. Never helped us.
That may be. We use mushroom compost that we get from Quincy Farms. Great stuff. Our sand almost looks like dirt. :)
Maybe plant the sunflowers a week later as well?
EPU land , but don’t have anything to say since I haven’t yet read the comments, but AC2 and I are gonna meet this spring in Decorah and go to Seedsavers, see the eagles, and have lunch.
I only live 40 miles from Seedsavers, so if anyone needs seeds let me know.(Their service is great for phone orders etc.)
Hey, I resemble that remark. :)
Jim-Iowa, Decorah, Coach,teacher, musician, comedian)
AC2 Illinois, Coach, teacher,good friend
I know. I’m crazy.
Hugest apology that I can find coming at you.
Ya know, if you two would post your photos, it might help. :)
(And, I know you forgive me, right?)
And, Jim, just so you know it’s not personal, I used to mix up oldnslow and oldgold too.
Its just because you have so many friends who care about your compassionate view of people that you mix us up now and then(I was just teasing). :)
I tried cold-hardy bananas in the new greenhouse this year because in the norcal heat the citrus trees go dormant and I need the shade. The nanners grew so fast this last two weeks I had to put them in the ground. If they get 10-12 ft before they too slow down I will have shade for my dwarf mandarins and tangelos.
Besides that I am setting drip irrigation, just planted diospyros lotus along the driveway, and am seeing buds on the goji berry. Spring has about sprung here and I still need one more app of lime sulfur or my apples will be worthless come the april rains.
Oh yeah, I also grafted quince cuttings from a tree my great-grandmother planted in 1905. And so it goes!
February 16 is garden starting time in “upstate New York”??? I guess i need to get a global warmers almanac or somthing
OT but sort of not: I went off to work on various non-internet things. Pulled out a turtleneck sweater I wanted to try to convert to a vee neck.
Did an “Ixquick” search for instructions and about halfway down the page – there was “Aunt Toby”: http://www.kitchencountereconomics.com/2010/11/06/1557/
What a woman!
Buckwheat (short pdf) is my go to cover crop at the moment. Planted mid July into my garlic rotation right after garlic harvest, it flowers mid/late August and 3/4 lb of seed was good for 1K square ft of cover crop, flowers for thousands of bees and 200 sq ft left to fully mature, yielded 10 lbs of seed that tests for sprouting at about 90% for this summer’s cover uses.
Spring planted after frost danger, and mowed in place before seed maturity and shallow tilled or transplanting through the debris to utilize as mulch works on other parts of the garden.
Oh, so sorry to have missed everyone. I am finding it too hard to get up from the puter if I allow myself to open it aftere breakfast. I am addicted. And it’s such a good way to avoid doing stuff you’re not eager to do. And, of course, always learn so much around here.
Y’all are funny this morning too.
Gardening…wish I could. Like Margaret, I have been thinking about a house mainly so I could garden. My kittehs have a pretty safe outdoor play spot here in the rental, with a walled backyard. The pit bull that lived above the garage, btw, seems to have died, or otherwise disappeared. Only see the little dog now for several months.
I’m envious of y’all with gardens. When I first married last husband, he was way into gardening, so I learned a lot, including shade covers, because our back yard in a newish tract house was bare of shade. Our tomatoes were being harvested when my dad was planting his in Maryland. Really really miss tomatoes and yes, zucchini. And peppers. We did have peppers in a spot beside the house that got shade in the late afternoon, but eventually, they’d scorch, too.
Am watching “my” basketball game…Indiana against our traditional in-state rival, Purdue. So far we’re winning (knock wood).
How did you harvest the seed, nonqui?
Um, nevermind, lol!
Omi hello,
I enlisted two willing teenagers who cut the stems with hand operated hedge shears, and laid them on a plastic tarp, seed heads all in the same direction. The raised bed is 4 ft by 50 ft. Took about 15 minutes.
Then we took a handful of stems and put the seed heads in two pillow cases and tromped and whacked the pillow cases to get most of the seeds loose. Gently shaking and rubbing the crushed seeds and rubbish from the seed heads through some 3/16 screen, loosened the rest of the seed.
Next was winnowing to clean the seed in a stiff breeze. Pouring it back and forth between a couple of wide shallow containers.
It is easy to see how mechanization of the process would be needed for higher volumes of seed production or home grown grains for those with the space to plant a few small grain plots. There are small home-built machines designed for small scale use shown on line.
The next steps beyond seed production would be de-hulling and flour grinding. The price of a bag of flour for baking is understood after doing the process the old fashion way. ;^)
I hadn’t gone to your pdf before asking, but after reading realized you didn’t have enough for a combine so I’d need to ask anyway…. Found your response when I came back to ask, thanks.
Practical majick :). Had you seen or read about the small scale method, or come up with it yourself?
Hard to beat buckwheat pancakes after an early morning cross country ski.
Gooogle seed saving or small scale grain and there are tons of youtube videos.
I saved seeds from 10 different crops from last season after letting them go to seed. Radishs, greens, peas, tomato several more. Another whole facet of gardening that other than saving them for propagating heritage varieties, does take some time and attention.
I found a new planet jr. seeder for less than half the cost of a new one from someone who bought it and was too impatient to figure out how to use it. It will work great for planting the cover crop or small grain plots with very little effort and more uniform spacing and sprouting.
I heard a description of oyster farming, from “seed” (teensy baby oysters) through harvest, and how much of it is done by hand, how few of the “seed” mature into saleable oysters…and resolved never to complain again about the price of oysters. (when I can get ‘em.)
Hi, OmAli – keep missing you! my circadian rhythm is f’d up lately. Hope you intervened between kitten and vase of tulips in time…!
Think of de-hulling a sunflower seed to get to the edible meat. That still needs to be done, along with more winnowing of the hulls, to make cereal or pancake flour from this buckwheat. A bag of flour is on my shopping list and I am off to the store. Later, nice to chat.
Hi tejana, yes, nabbed the vase before she could gracefully sidle between it and the wall and ease it off to smash onto the tile hearth below. Aaarrgghh, almost.
Tell those cicadas to stop f’ing with your rhythm :)
I was reading about baby oysters dying because warmer, acidic ocean currents were keeping them from forming shells. They were drowning :(
I tejana, I’m also off to pick up my teen a her friend’s house. peace and Joy.
Thanks for the subject today Toby.
You are not a dabbler or wader. You go deep :)
Reminded me of the one and only, no, second actually, haiku I ever wrote. The cicadas were deafening one afternoon when I was in the porch swing, and there were thunderheads forming. A friend and I had been exchanging haiku. Mine was
singing up a storm
conjuring up wind and rain
quick now! run inside!
Toby, in case you check back, my compost is outdoors, but I know people keep worms in bins inside. I think the main thing is to make sure they have air and moisture.