Something which, even after 35 years plus of gardening together, the DH and I are still fine tuning is the issue of where to put stuff to grow, keeping in mind the path of the sun versus the orientation of our garden beds. In the picture above, taken this morning at about 11:30, you see your dear Aunty, standing outside (in the rather windy 16 degrees F, I might add – the things I do for you guys..) in one of the garden beds, in the snow, holding up a door.
Now, if you look at the shadow, flaring off toward the bottom center of the photograph, you will be reminded of the fact that this is mid-February and at 11:30 a.m., the sun is actually rather low in the sky. If this were May or June, by 11:30 a.m., that sun would be pretty close to right over my head (and I would not be standing out in the garden wearing my heavy coat, hat and gloves, either). My pose is not a re-enactment of Horace Greeley’s famous phrase (and I am pointing rather Northwest rather than directly west); I am pointing in the direction of the path of the sun in the summer. Because of the way our property is situated and the orientation of the garden beds, we get a rather oblique angle on the sun’s path here.
But this is merely an introduction to the issue of the door (what other insane person would stand out in the winter with a door to demonstrate this? I ask you). This is NOT a door (well, actually it IS a door). This is, you will have to imagine, a row of sunflowers, or corn, or something else rather tall. And all of which begins it’s life as a row of something rather short but which becomes something extremely tall and dense before half the summer is over. It literally becomes something LIKE a door. Dense, dark, and solid.
And which casts an extremely wide and long shadow over anything that is planted to either side of it.
Last summer, in one of those last moment fits of gardening madness, the DH decided he wanted to put sunflowers into the garden. Because we’d already planted nearly every other bed, we were left with one of the beds at the eastern end of the arrangement. To say those sunflowers dominated that garden last year is to put it mildly. On one side of the sunflowers was a brand new bed we put in last year which had tomatoes in it. Once the day was past noon, those tomatoes were basically trying to grow in the dark. Disaster. The plants crouched on the ground as if waiting to be attacked. It was like we were re-playing “Day of the Triffids” in the garden. On the other side of the sunflowers were potatoes and some cabbage family plants, which suffered in the early morning (when the sun is not terribly effective in any case up here), but which ended up doing fine because they had all the sun from noon through 8:30 when the sun dropped down behind the hill. That end of the garden did..just..fine.
So, lesson learned.
First: plan out your garden on paper. Depending on the path of the sun at YOUR house (and all other forms of shade from trees, out buildings and so on), put the tall things where they will cast their shade at the end of the day. In our case, if the DH wants to grow corn or sunflowers again, we will reserve the farthest west garden bed for him. And we will mulch and compost accordingly because corn is very greedy in that way.
Second: Start the planting according to the path of the sun — that is, plant the beds or side closest to where the sun comes up, and move in the direction of the path of the sun as it moves through the day. That way, you will end up at the end that if you want to put something tall in, or change your mind, or discover something else that is tall that you want to do (climbing beans, cucumbers on a trellis, etc.), you’ll be able to do that without shading out anything else.
Third: Stick with the plan. I cannot tell you how many times we have ended up sticking odd stuff in little out of the way spots because someone decided “Oh, joy – I have a wizard idea – let’s plant this!!” Think the whole thing through – now is as good a time as any – and stick to the plan. Much better in the long run.



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Good morning, Everybody!! Whatcha got?
Thanks, Toby. Conversely, in drought/heat, planting tall plants to shelter sensitive stuff is sensible. Your beans on frames are great to put between afternoon sun and tomatoes, peppers and lettuces (which are gone by mid summer).
True, Ruth. Very true. Though I think height is a big determinant – sunflowers and corn just throw a HUGE dense shadow.
I got. . .up early. I have learned some of those same things about the sun, the sunflowers and the garden.
I really should have some lettuces in the garden now, but I have a giant excavation that I made looking for some sewer clean outs I lost out there somewhere. It is a mess, and the weather got cold again, so I have not fixed it.
My bulbs have started peaking up out of the ground. The sand hill cranes are on the move. Spring is coming! Driest winter ever.
Good morning all,
Hope springs in the Spring
That wouldn’t be little ole zucchini would it ?
Sadly, half of the U.S. is in drought. This year’s growing season is not looking good.
‘ Though we have already seen some price increases for meats and animal-based products in the fourth quarter of 2012, most of the impacts on retail food prices are expected to occur in 2013.’
http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/in-the-news/us-drought-2012-farm-and-food-impacts.aspx
Good morning Aunt Toby and thanks so much for another garden post. The morning crowd here and at Over Easy are such a wealth of knowledge. This neophite appreciates it more than you all will ever know.
KrisinTX will come over today and we will break down some pallets from work and recycle them into planter boxes. These will be our first garden. We are excited to get started.
If I want to get things in early up here, I have to shovel off one of the garden beds and put a frame with old windows on it to warm it up. If I can do that and get the soil up to 50 degrees, then I can put in kale, broccoli, lettuces, cabbage, that sort of thing.
We have not had a standard winter up here in decades, frankly. And this winter, it did not get cold and stay cold. We keep having snow, then it warms up and rain, then ice, and so on. So the snow cover is not staying on the ground for the farmers which is what we need here.
good idea. Just make sure your planting mix has enough actual soil in it to hold water.Most of the commercial ones are too high in peat, which dries out fast and shrinks. Good compost if you can get it (not too much wood chips).
I have been fretting over what to use for soil. Also, how deep do, say, tomato plant roots grow? Or, more accurately, how deep do our boxes need to be for common garden veggies?
There is a good side to the warmups here, that the snow doesn’t get so deep that in spring there is flooding when it all melts at once. This was colder in NW PA, and the ice covered the lake here unlike last winter.
I realize that this is a bit of a digression, but did everyone see the coverage on the indictment of the senior management of Peanut Corporation of America for the Salmonella contamination in 2009 that killed 9 people and made many many elderly and little kids sick from contaminated peanut butter?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-21/peanut-corp-of-america-executives-indicted-over-salmonella-1-.html
“Stewart Parnell, president of the now liquidated Peanut Corp., was charged along with three managers in a 76 count indictment unsealed yesterday in federal court in Albany, Georgia. He’s charged with conspiracy, wire fraud and introduction of adulterated food into interstate commerce with intent to defraud or mislead.” Obviously no one thought they could get these guys on negligent homicide.
You are so right. The commenters here teach me so much its like the Iowa State Extension Service with Toby, Ruth, nonquixote, and others.
I applied for a seasonal position at Seedsavers and should get the job if they don’t mind a 58 year old gardener.(I want to learn as much as needing the work.)
I have a wonderful compost that I have kept for more than 20 years. I have put all kinds of things in there over the years, and red worms really speed up the process. I compost swamp cooler pads, leaves, everything from the kitchen (no meat). When I used sawdust pellets for cat litter, I cleaned the poop but dumped the sawdust in the compost too. It helps the soil, but I still think it is important to use manure and other additives in the garden.
OK – here goes. Taking away stuff like beets, carrots, parsnips and turnips, the longest roots are for stuff like tomatoes, which IN REALLY GOOD SOIL (that is, loose, composty, lots of ’tilth’) will go down at least a foot TO 16″. If your soil is heavy clay, they will have to work a lot harder for their dinners and will tend to spread horizontally rather than vertically.
oh yes, Ruth – last winter was the winter that wasn’t.
Seedsavers!!! Yay! I’d love to learn how to save more than tomato seeds, which are easy to do.
I saw an article this week where rice and potato farmers in India, using just manure and some rather funky digging techniques, produced better yields than the high tech stuff that had been pushed on them. There’s a certain amount of pushback on the figures from big time ag schools, but point’s made.
OK..here is the link to that article. http://grist.org/food/miracle-grow-indian-farmers-smash-crop-yield-records-without-gmos/
I discussed with a judge friend the recent case of a young woman here who hit and killed a pedestrian and drove away. She was found guilty of negligent homicide. My judge friend explained that this was the very possible outcome for her because it basically means that it was an accident. My point being that perhaps the negligent homicide charge was intentionally avoided because it would afford the defenants the shortest sentence if found guilty.
Thank you. I’m no lawyer, but those charges against Parnell and company sound like the “Al Capone Solution’ – they needed to get them charged with something they could prove and convict them on.
Sorry to go OT, but wanted to mention that Richard Wolff is on Moyers this week in a segment entitled “Capitalism run Wild”
It made me think of how much Southern Dragon taught me(Sigh.)
http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-taming-capitalism-run-wild/
Sorry to go OT, but wanted to mention that Richard Wolff is on Moyers this week in a segment entitled “Capitalism run Wild”
It made me think of how much Southern Dragon taught me(Sigh.)
http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-taming-capitalism-run-wild/
Yes, it is a good thing to give a thought to that dear man. We miss him a lot around here.
oops. My browser is giving me fits this AM. Sorry for the double post.
Looks like the Monsanto case at SCOTUS is not going to go the way we would hope. Another speculation about it in the article.
We need a revolution.
Interesting, I’m not familiar enough with court systems to know why one charge is better all around than another, but was enlightened by ACLU about avoiding cases before this court, because the outcome will not be good for civil liberty overall.
Last week, we were talking about water (and lack thereof) – but I didn’t get to discussing mulches. I LOVE mulching stuff in my garden, especially tomatoes, which tend to suffer greatly if there is, shall we say, uneven-ness in the water supplies. I’ll use almost anything to mulch except for wood chips, which pull nitrogen out of the soil and raw chicken manure which burns everything to the ground. One of my experiments this year is to start sewing buckwheat early, dig it in, sew again, dig that in (you can sew buckwheat every six weeks as a cover crop), and then for the last one, I’ll just cut it down and plant through that as a mulch. might work.
It doesn’t help that Thomas worked for Monsanto for four years. He should have recused himself.
Sowing the seeds all over the place?
And wasn’t it a tragic and interesting case.
Thanks for your comment.
Happy day, Dogs. Take care.
LOL.
This year I am getting serious about gardening cuz I think we are entering serious drought years even here in Eden. (NE Iowa. “Is this heaven? No, its Iowa.”) :)
My judge friend is deeply concerned that the only thing to come from it was the message; if you hit and kill someone while driving drunk, run.
Nice to see your fonts, as always.
Drought has even been a factor here, since it can involve not just absence of rain but less than usual. The rain barrels ran out a few times last summer, not what experience area farming is run on.
Don’t forget fellow nordics, Snow has nitrogen and iz good if you can get your ground open before the last snow. It’s a Yoder thing. Plow the last snow into the ground.
http://www.weathernotebook.org/transcripts/2001/04/17.html
Ruth – I think that anyone with a roof should be making plans for a rain barrel (barrel? how about plural barrels – any downspout should have a barrel at the bottom of it with a spigot).
Where I am. the garden can get as hot as 150F. I’ve always used the corn, which can take a lot of light and heat to shade my tomatoes and other stuff.
I plant my corn in rows three weeks apart so it doesn’t all come it at the same time and I can have cor on the cob (yum) all the way into fall.
We have gotten nearly NO MOISTURE ths9i winter, so, I’m concentrating on TREES this year ( as I said last week) to GET some shade on my garden….which, hopefully, I will be able to plant again sometime before I die.
The water has become so expensive that it’s burdensome to just keep what I’ve got alive.
I wanted to put in a well, even with a hand pump this last year, but, things intervened. I’s LOVE a solar powered pump, since we have mega sun here.
The drought is killing everything and we’re all worried that the state will go up like a torch this summer.
I kinda always figured we’d get to the point where, if you didn’t have land, you’d starve….but I never figured climate change would make it impossible to grow stuff. SURPRISE!
I really am beginning to believe the Mayan Prophecy DID come true last year
Yes, it felt like an odd conclusion to me….
Plus that it looked like the jury really struggled.
Really a mess….
I remember reading a story a LONG time ago, where families would put out unbleached muslin toward the end of the winter on top of the snow so that the end of the season snow would fall on top of the muslin and bleach it.
what sorts of trees are you going to put in? What’s native to your area?
‘puter giving me fits this morning and I need to be off starting my day anyway. Thanks again for the great postnhost Aunt Toby. Have a wonderful weekend all.
It’s not just you – I’m having issues too – I reported it to TPTB (the powers that be). have a good day!!
Maybe I’m an early part of migration. The scary part of seeing heat going through the roof (pardon my usual bad jokes) and water disappearing has already hit me as something I can and ought to leave. Hello from PA.
We have terrible problems with drivers who hit bicyclists and walkers all the time. Sometimes the drivers are drunk, or the walkers. But unless they are drunk, it is an accident, and while people would like to see long sentences for the deaths, mostly it is some kind of misdemeanor, so the jail time is short. We had a lawyer, very drunk, who hit and killed a pedestrian, left the scene, was found guilty and went to jail for a couple of years max, I think. He is still and again appealing the sentence, even though he has been and gone from lockup, I assume to try to get his license to practice law back. We have had terrible, terrible stories of this sort of thing in NM. Endless.
TX also has a whole area of practice employing attorneys familiar with ways of getting their clients off for various degrees of crime, mostly drunk driving. I was let go for jury duty when I confessed I thought having a drink was a reason for not getting behind the wheel of a car.
Sigh. In most areas of the country, hitting a bicyclist (whether or not you have ‘share the road’ laws)or a pedestrian is treated as almost nothing. I’ve been a member of my local pedestrian and bike advisory board and I keep yelling until I’m blue in the face that ‘whole streets’ and ‘bike rodeos’ and ‘bike lanes’ will not save one life or get one set of parents to allow their kids to ride to school until a) the state DOTs do stuff to slow traffic down and get vehicles OFF the roads and b) more bike and ped friendly infrastructure is built. The only reason I ride my bike to work is that I have a greenway to do it. I only have to hit a street for about two blocks and that is at 6:50 in the morning so there is almost no vehicles at all. If I did not have that greenway, I would not ride my bike to work at all.
Well, so many have died, but I tried some Royal Empresses last spring and only one made it, for which I’m thankful because they can be really invasive and the ants chewed the thing to pieces. so, I’m going to have to put anti-ant tape around it
I’m going to leave it in for now.
Then I planted a Canyon willow which desperately need to be pruned so it can grow into a tree, not a bush.
I’m suffering from the loss of many Siberian Elms that my terrorist next door neighbor cut down on the property to the east. Everybody disparages the Siberian Elm, but It’s a pretty good tree for this area. Fairly fast growing and not too invasive.
My neighbors have a bunch of Ailanthus and they are a disaster. NEVER plant one of those things. They poison everything around them. I’ve seen them destroy a property.
As you know, it takes a lot of time to grow trees.
I DONT want any more evergreens as they are being attacked by all sort of diseases in this drought.
So, I guess my answer is, so far I don’t really know what to put in at this point.
I’d love few more Catalpa, but they grow so slow. I may do it anyway of we don’t go into a total Depression….and I can find some…….
Ailanthus? ayyyyyyyyyy. Oh, they are awful.
Kassandra – I don’t know about your county Cooperative Extension, but ours has a tree and bush program every spring and we’re able to buy small trees and bushes actually quite cheaply – sometimes they also do packages of related plants for specific uses, such as stream bank restoration or song bird attraction or wildlife food – things like that. You might want to call up your country Extension and ask.
Hackberry are champion growing fast without a bunch of water in N.TX.
Another gardening post, thank you, Aunt Toby! I learn so much from these, we are newbies who only started vegetable gardening two years ago, before that it was only herbs in pots.
Soil is so poor here, I put in a raised bed with mixes of vermiculite, compost etc. as prescribed in square foot gardening. Two kinds of leaf lettuce, thyme, chives, tomatoes, blackberries. Berries didn’t do well, but last year didn’t have to plant the lettuce because there were bunches of volunteers (from letting some go to seed the previous year). And the chives also re-grew without planting new ones, but weren’t as large as the original ones.
The tip on tomato roots is helpful, I’ll have to build the tomato area deeper this year to get deeper roots.
Chives are perennials – if you want them bigger, just dig the clumps up, split them up and space them out. Berries are tough – they are subject to all sorts of viruses in the soil, etc. Even with strawberries, the first year is good, the next year is almost as good and by the third year the production is really hurting – so the standard, even though they are perennial, is to pull them out by year three and plant new ones. One way for you to keep renewing your little bed is to do what is sometimes referred to as ‘sheet composting’ but which we here at Chez Siberia call ‘throwing the stuff out on the garden’. Works for everything veggie – but is rather untidy. After you get a good layer of veggie stuff on the bed, cover it with a small layer of dirt and let it go. At the end of the season, just dig it all in.
Thanks I just talked to a woman there about a disease my elms have that a “certified arborist wanted me to spend a bunch of money for something that would NOT have helped them.
She was very chatty and helpful
OK guys – as always, thank you so much for joining in. PW is upstairs at the mother ship with a new post on energy. have a great week.
I’ll check them out. Never heard of them.Thanks.
You do know that Mexico is in extreme drought as well? Nobody ever mentions our neighbor to the south. I think all these drought problems are from cutting down the Amazon Rainforest, myself.
That and fukin BP and the fukin gov with their fukin Coexit and burning it and all….but mainly the rainforest.
We don’t have monsoons like we used to
Thank you again, Aunt Toby, and have a good day!
Try scheduling rafting on the Rio Grande, and you’ll learn that too. Funny how Rio Grande water rights doesn’t seem to have worked out all that well.
Ruth. apparently TX is having some bad aphid problems with the Hackberry:
Rethinking Hackberry Trees
Probably the drought there too.
Many of these diseases weren’t apparent or active until we started having such extreme weather.
Bummer!
I thought nothing like hackberry but cedar waxwings, that love the berries. sigh.
Off for awhile, thanks for good company.
Try the angle of approaching the appropriate government agency and requesting safer pedestrian or bicycle lanes. Failure to provide for the general safety kind of arguments, puts the local municipality or county on the hook for damages. Bring the argument or get the muni liability insurance provider on the case urging their own client, the insured, to move to improvements or face higher premiums. Of course, I have no clue of your local conditions. HTH.
Because of high tourist traffic, seasonally, state and most county roads applied for and got state grants for wide paved lanes on State and County highways for bicyclists/pedestrians.
This is an interesting post.
First of all this DOOR must be the REVOLVING DOOR, so often talked about, that crooks use to go back and forth from being corrupt bankers to corrupt government regulators.
Second, what you are suggesting is that people should used commonsense like they, unknowingly, use elsewhere: keep the front rows lower for shorties and back rows higher for big, tall and fatties. This is what we do in group photographs, on benches along the side of basketball court in school gym or even for the seats in movie theaters.
Of course, the most important advice you are giving to all the buttheads is to, first, know which way is front and which is rear.
I suppose people should use the same logic when planting trees in front of their house. To their surprise, the tree keeps growing to ugly large size and takes over the entire house.
Good Morning Divine Ms Earth Mom, Aunt Toby,
I have and use software which allows sun/shadow studies by entering your latitude/longitude and time of day and month and generates shadows of plantings (the software is for doing this with building permit applications) and it has a library of about 50K plants and trees that appear as 3-D photo-realistic objects and cast shadows when presented in that “camera,” view on the monitor.
Plants can be “grown,” to do future studies for as short or long a term as one requests of the program.
Late to the gathering here as I was outside working on maintaining my physical gardening stamina, by shoveling snow. To every season…
Thanks, Aunt Toby, some excellent info from you and your guests.
nonqui, sounds like a modest income generator. Especially for a new gardener or someone moving to a new property. Would be very helpful to have someone someone to do a sun/shade study.
Good morning OmAli,
Some construction codes require showing how a proposed project, close enough to existing structures, might block passive solar or such. But it works well for illustrating/planning passive solar, distance of tree planting from your greenhouse, of trees to get winter sun and summer shade or whatever. Program will generate 3-D terrain with the appropriate data input, hills, slopes, retaining walls etc. There are home hobbyist versions of this same sort of software in very reasonable entry level versions. Limited features but under $50.
Thanks, I’ve probably easily wasted more than that in trial and error plantings since we moved to this house :)
Sample of medium quality “rendering,” of the north side of a home, the folks here were wondering how much sun would be on the planned little screen porch/deck in the, mid-day, early autumn.
Access to that kind of info can prevent some expensive mistakes. Thanks.
Thanks for that story, small victories and encouragement.
Will you please ask yellowsnapdragon if she wants to take the cat post tomorrow? I’m not sure which is her email.
I just checked in…I’ll post tomorrow. Yellowsnpdragon at aol ill and you my regular email…
Thank you very much for both. :)
I hope you’re feeling ok?
I’ll update Nagi news. I don’t know how to embed pictures in a post.
Have you ever thought of building and installing large reflector panels? 4×8 ft. OSB sheets covered with aluminum foil, for example, would significantly increase the solar radiation in small areas.
Health isn’t the issue but thanks for asking. I’m not willing to discuss it yet and definitely not here. To embed photos, you must create a flickr account. Thanks again.
Have Flickr account, but I can’t find an add media button on WordPress.
Morning, everyone! Again, a gardening post makes me envious. Was thinking of moving this year if I could find a place with a yard I could plant, but it doesn’t look likely to happen.
I was trying to think why I never really thought of the shade-tracking plan Toby illustrates at top, and realized its becausae my only serious garden was in atreeless TX yard where it sure seemed like the sun was always beating down straight on our (and the plants’) heads. No shade until late in the day, by which time it didn’t matter.
Oldnslow, we bought soil for that garden because the developer had scraped all the topsoil off to sell before building. The soil was terrible, mostly clay, and hard. So we did raised beds and had a truckload of soil delivered.
Do you still have a Gardenville in the Austin area? It may have changed its name, but it was an organic soil,compost, etc. supplier here with a location in Austin, too. I’m sure Austin has several places you can get enough soil for raised beds. It would be worth it, I think.
Gardening is hard, and one thing we learned was not to cheap out on something important that would cause the project to fail, and waste all that hard work.
Of course you probably already know that. There is so much to learn about gardening, and here in Texas it’s all different from anything I had learned in the north (which wasn’t much. My folks had a big garden when they were young; after that, a few tomatoes and maybe one or two other veggies.)
You are correct, Kassandra. Global warming/climate change must factor into any current or previous garden lore. In my part of the country shade and mulch are essential ingredients, and I mean heavy mulch. Also, be prepared for the unpredictable, not to mention increased dust storms – the weatherman diary on that shows that will be a factor.
And pray for bees.
Nonquixote, that simulation is lovely! What a great idea. Plan ahead, and don’t rely on guesswork. Lovely.
Hope oldnslow and Kris are having a good time dissassembling the pallets and assesmbling the planters. February’s a good time to start in Texas.
Although it sure can be a money sink. When my ex and I were first married, I was stunned at how much money he spent on garden stuff.
Strawberries really cost us; he loves them, and tried to grow them for years, learning something new each season. Including where to buy transplants; the local nurseries were chains, and sold strawberries that did not do well here. Also doesn’t work to treat them as perennials in this climate; had to dig ‘em up and plant new ones every year. Then in a good year, the birds would eat them all as soon as they were ripe and before we could pick them. Got inflatable owls, snakes, fabric covers, etc., etc.
Those strawberries were frustratiing as heck. When we got to actually eat a few ripe ones, they were delicious, but maybe #100 per berry some years? Yeesh. Even he finally gave up.
Just copy and paste the url of the picture you want to post in the desired space in your post.
For example:
blah, blah, kitty, blah
(paste url from flickr here.)
blah, kitty, blah, blah.
The picture will appear. Hit preview post to make sure you placed it correctly.
Um…Barstow? Just a SWAG. I could be wrong.
Make sure you’re dressed warmly before you go through that door. It looks like it’s pretty cold…
It’s been cool here in SoCal, so I haven’t started planting just yet. I have been amping the soil, however. I’m thinking some greens should go in first. Anyone got any ideas on that?
When I say that to Maestro, he gets pretty mouthy with me. Diva, on the other hand, just turns up her nose as if to say, “Peasants. Who needs them, anyway?”
‘Twas ever thus.
Thanks tejana and good afternoon.
Been outside in the SE corner between the house and garage, with the sun pouring into the open garage door and the wall thermometer in the sun reads 65 F. Two steps over in the light north wind is not the same, to be sure.
Soil tests, inquire of your home county agricultural agent or university extension agriculture research center for online info as to how to take samples and where to go with them for tests is the first place to go if you are not container gardening with garden center soil and composts.
Twice I thought of it and twice I forgot to say something. Do you know anyone with a hand held, metal detector, often used by hobbyists for combing beaches for coins and jewelry, etc.?
These can be tweaked to show density changes under the soil and maybe that would be an easier way to discover the clean outs. They might be available at a hobby shop for hourly rental.
peggy –love your sample blog content “blah, blah, kitty, blah”.
Which of course is just what kitty hears when we talk to her. Right?
And for yellowsnapdragon…just in case you didn’t know this…use the format here at fdl for diaries, not WordPress general format.
Of course there is the also the tried and often true method of “divining,” with a couple of bent wires or a ‘Y,’ shaped fresh willow branch held lightly in your hands that will dip slightly downward toward the underground water. Artistic sensibilities are probably a big plus with either of these methods.
DIY instructions all over the place. Easier than digging?
Too much time on my hands? ;^)
Will try. Thnx.
Been wondering….hope you will let us know what you’re up to.
Good luck. B
Er, isn’t the diary writing page all WordPress? How do I use FDL format. No comprendo.
hello ysd,
In the right hand sidebar beneath your sign in info is a “tool box,” and one of the selections is Write Post. I’m pretty sure that is what tejana was referring to.
HTH, good evening to you and yours.
Thanks nonqui. I was confyoozed.
I miss SD so much. He was a pillar of strength.