Heather McGhee on the Millennial Generation from BillMoyers.com on Vimeo.
Watched Moyers and Company from the DVR last night and a couple of statements made during the interview prompted this diary. (In case others weren’t aware, Moyers is back on PBS at 10PM PST on Fridays)
“Unemployment among our youngest adults is almost twice the national average. 25 to 34 year-old male high school graduates are earning 25 percent less than they earned in 1980. Almost 40 percent of young adults say their personal debt increased in the last four years, a lot of that directly related to student loans.”
“HEATHER McGHEE: Well, let’s take, for example, the fact that since I was born, there’s an entirely new industry that didn’t used to exist. That of corporate lobbyists, for which there are now 24 for every member of congress.”
“HEATHER McGHEE: You know, I think the right solution would be for us to undo what Sallie Mae and other lenders got slipped into that terrible 2005 bankruptcy bill. Which is that private student loans and student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy. I mean, think about it, bankruptcy, which, you know, huge, multi-billion dollar corporations are– seem to be filing every day and move on, just as if nothing happened.”
And I can tell you from personal experience that being able to discharge such loans DID exist at one time.
This interview with Bruce Bartlett of Reagan fame (When he called George W. Bush out as “a pretend conservative” in his book Impostor: Why George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy, Bartlett was fired from his position as a senior fellow at a conservative think tank. His new book is The Benefit and the Burden: Tax Reform — Why We Need It and What It Will Take) is a must read and provides the fodder to fire back at those who claim to be acolytes of Reaganism; refer the two books to Republican’s and tea partiers. Though I have to say I am of the same opinion as Bartlett when he says “People have to be given the factual information they need to make decisions. And they’re not getting it. And they may not even want it.” And THAT is what I despair most about.
“BILL MOYERS: I just read a summary of a study done at the University of Michigan that over a period of time shows that people have confronted with facts they believe to be true will reject them nonetheless if they offend or undermine their belief system. That their beliefs — our beliefs are more important to us than the facts.
BRUCE BARTLETT: Oh, I think we need some — instead of talking to economists like me, we need to be talking to psychologists and sociologists to try to get at the root of this problem.”
And yet when I posted a diary about someone who is a psychologist specializing in moral and political thought, many couldn’t see his views as being valid. Which was ok but I do concur with Bartlett that the issues have moved beyond solution by politicians and economists.
For instance, how does this get dealt with? “BILL MOYERS: You remind me that ideology is a worldview that can be believed despite all the evidence to the contrary.
BRUCE BARTLETT: Well, it’s very much like religion. And I think that it’s not a surprise that so many very, you know, devout Christians are a part of the Republican Party and accept a lot of this. Because the nature of deep religious belief is faith, which means you accept things for which there is no proof.
And so, I think it’s not that hard to shift that faith over to believe a lot other things that you’ve been told are true so many times that you just accept that on faith as well. That if you cut taxes, revenues will go up, you know, and things of this sort. That all tax cuts are good and all spending cuts are good, and all government is bad.”
“BRUCE BARTLETT: One idea that a friend of mine, Mike Lofgren came up with, is that the conservative side of this political spectrum hates government, per se. And it’s in their interest to make it be ineffective. And so, they’ll cut the budget, for example, for a regulatory agency such as the Securities and Exchange Commission.
And then, when some problem arises on Wall Street, they will then say, ‘Ha-ha, this proves that the SEC doesn’t work.’ And this will justify further cuts in the agency’s budget, so that everything that they do reinforces their basic ideology, which is that government is the source of all of our problems. Government doesn’t work. And then they make sure that it doesn’t work by cutting its budget and tying its hands so that everything is a race to the bottom and it didn’t use to be that way.”
“it didn’t use to be that way”; very true and and anyone who calls it ‘progress’ is someone who would be happy in a truly authoritarian regime.
Now that I’ve presented the ‘downside’, here’s some ‘upside’:
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Hey Ubetcha,
I caught the one where Moyers interviewed John Steen former CEO of then Citcorp.
Moyers let him get away with making the subversion of our democracy, the rape of the world’s economy, the removal of the foundation and centerpiece of the regulations inspired by the 1929 crash all actions that he played a principle role in……sound as if it were an unhappy accident. Unforeseen consequences you know old chap. Made me sick to my stomach with rage. Sorry bastard sociopath didn’t rise to the head of Citicorp because he possessed morals, and once there he did damage that will never be undone.
Moyers isn’t informing anyone with such presentations, nor doing any good. Why not at least allow someone willing to speak the truth about Steen and Citicorp and Graham and his wife and Enron, and the Clintons the opportunity to do so if Moyers is such a coward as to give Steen 45 minutes to spin his sideways mea culpa into a regretful piece of happenstance.
The time for half measures has passed. Screw allowing lies to stand in the interests of civil discourse. Moyers is a coward, he should return back into his retirement.
I too had serious problems with the John Steen interview – I watched it carefully three times. I also felt that the latest show was not what it should have been – both for reasons you assert, Robert.
I’m sure Mr. Moyers felt he was letting Mr. Steen hang himself with his own rope, which he certainly did. But the time for subtlety and gentility when it comes to interviewing wrongdoers is really past, since there is no accountability anywhere in the media.
The problem, I felt, with the Heather McGhee interview was that she was represented as a member of the first generation to do worse than her parents. I wanted to say, no, HER parents were the first, my generation. We are the ones who could not afford to pay tuitions, who have been saddled with insurance costs, who had to take on two jobs and no healthcare, who have lost their houses and also those jobs, who could not pay for their kids’ education. Certainly it has got worse since these things happened, but we are the ones who did have excellent, often free, educations and a stable homelife with often only one parent needing to be employed. And that disappeared, so that we could not pass on these benefits to our children. We are the generation that did less well than our parents.
Ms. McGhee was gorgeous and well spoken. Sadly, with the little we have been able to give to our kids, she doesn’t represent her generation. I can’t see her faring badly at all in fact. Our kids are intelligent, no question, but they are disadvantaged and, sorry, she looked and sounded anything but. And she was far too kind to Obama in the one and only question about her willingness to vote for him again. Expecting him to magically become FDR is asking a leaopard to become a lamb.
As someone who really admires him, I’m becoming afraid that Mr. Moyers has been trotted out to confuse us into the lesser evil syndrome. And as you say, Robert, it is way too late for that. With respect to the quote from Mr. Bartlett that ” “People have to be given the factual information they need to make decisions. And they’re not getting it. And they may not even want it.” – well, I have no respect for that. Pontificating about “people” and even accusing them of not wanting information as he did in that little tirade is a great way of making yourself feel superior but very very smarmy. As with those who say ‘well, look at how the Greeks behave; they’ve got it coming to them.’ As someone said on another thread, Oy!
The first three episodes were excellent – these two have muddied the waters, and that is very sad.
Neither Moyers nor his guests ever become sufficiently INFURIATED!
RAD, Juliana, Edur, what Moyers is doing is real journalism. I understand the frustration at him not emphasizing a point of view that reflects the anger and disgust with what is occurring but -imho- Moyers is doing the nation a great service by exposing the U.S. to real journalism.
As towards “John Steen”; I don’t know what to say as such a person is not someone I remember and is not listed on his guest lists. I think you mean John Reed.
I’m not defending what Reed was a part of but but to point the finger at him when the major players were others, -such as Rubin,Clinton,Weill(and I used to be at Amex when it took over Shearson Loeb Rhoades see investment banking here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Express_Card#Financial_services ) ,Greenspan- especially given when he resigned from Citi in 2000 and his efforts on the Volcker Rule and mea culpas now about his role -compare that to any of the others, including Clinton who has said “I got bad advice” but then says nothing in support of the Volcker Rule- would seem to me to warrant some tolerance.
And it is the whole series Moyers is presenting on “winner take all politics” that an individual interview ‘should’ be seen in the context of.
Juliana, you wrote “I wanted to say, no, HER parents were the first, my generation.”. Given that she is 30, I’m not sure what ‘generation’ you’re referring to; BUT I do know that when I was going to college -1968-1971- in CA, the tuition was minimal as were fees and books. And that as of 1979, student loans could be discharged in bankruptcy.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. “Real” journalism would not permit a criminal to utter lies unchallenged on the air. That is tantamount to transcribing and then publishing them.
We are not only running out of time to effect a change, we can no longer afford the type of tolerance you plead for on behalf of that criminal.
The 80,000 families still losing their homes to foreclosure monthly on top of the millions to already have done so since the crash of Oct/’08 aren’t being granted any tolerance. The tens of millions out of work long term or underemployed are not being granted any tolerance. Neither are the millions without health insurance residing in the wealthiest country in the world. Over 50,000 are dying a year because of that and it’s getting worse.
Should I go on? You are as well aware as I of the litany. I should mitigate his guilt willing because others did worse or bore more culpability? This is only 1999 we’re talking about. Do you really believe the elected politicians and appointed bureaucrats wielded more power than the CEO’s of Travelers and Citicorp?
““Real” journalism would not permit a criminal to utter lies unchallenged on the air.” ; how is he a ‘criminal’? Let’s not forget that regulations WERE in place to address the issues but not acted on. Remember how State’s were shot down/prohibited from pursuing the fraud?
I think you know me well enough to know that I’m against the plutocracy and oligarchic interests.
For me it’s like saying that a different President couldn’t have presented 9/11 ‘ assumption simply not cognizant/ignoring of all the facts.
What also intrigues me is the lack of commenting on the ‘upside’ presented; and this: “Though I have to say I am of the same opinion as Bartlett when he says “People have to be given the factual information they need to make decisions. And they’re not getting it. And they may not even want it.” And THAT is what I despair most about.”
“How is he a criminal”?. Ahhh….there’s the crux of it ain’t it? The sweet chewy nugget center.
Clearly he’s not…..one must live in a society where the rule of law prevails for there to be criminals.
By prevails I mean incumbent upon and accessible to all. Clearly when such as Mr. Citcorp there found themselves encumbered they used all means at their disposal to change the “law”.
So if there exists no “real” law for such as he, should he be held responsible for the damage? I say yes.
Does a duty exist anyway to the greater good even when such as he are powerful and wealthy and greedy enough to willfully subvert the politicians who are nonetheless supposed to uphold their oaths to the constitution? I say yes again.
He is willing now to go on Moyers after being promised he won’t actually have to answer any actual questions and sort of sideways half assed delivers a “WE didn’t anticipate the consequences” mea culpa.
So he has sorta shown remorse. Mitigating circumstances are normally considered during the penalty phase……this piece of crap doesn’t even stand accused. He has enough money to be above the law.
Sorry I am unable to properly appreciate the positive stuff you delivered in your post, but those are flower pots for the rear deck……and just now….the house is on fire.