I came across this article today and though it’s 8 webpages long (and one can’t ‘single page view it) it’s definitely worth reading all the way through. And ,if you’re up to it, printing it and sending it to the 50 odd Senators pushing Obama to have a hardline approach to Iran.
What would happen if Iran had the bomb? (+video)
“If Iran were to become a nuclear power, the most immediate question would be what it means for Israel, where warnings have reached histrionic heights.
“Absolutely nothing will happen,” says Martin Van Creveld, an Israeli historian and author of some 20 books on military strategy. “Israel has what it takes to deter Iran, and the Iranians know it.”
“”It is clear to Iranian strategists that nuclear weapons will not improve Iran’s national security situation…. They do, however, see a value in technological progress,” Bijan Khajehpour, an Iranian analyst at Atieh International, an Austrian-based strategic consulting firm, recently told the Muftah website.
Few Iranians forget these words of the prophet Muhammad, if only because they are printed with an atomic symbol on the 50,000 rial currency note: “If knowledge is to be found in the heavens, the Persians will go and get it.”
“In Israel, even talking about living with a nuclear-armed Iran has long been taboo because it might appear to concede that what the US, Israel, and Europe have declared “unacceptable” is, in fact, acceptable. Yet that was the scenario of a simulation last October by the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), an Israeli think tank affiliated with Tel Aviv University, that gave insights into what might happen across the region if Iran became a nuclear state.”
I guess the 22 per of Israelis who are in favor of attacking Iran haven’t had the opportunity to read the INSS report; or they are just plain insane.
Maybe the Occupy AIPAC people will print it out and hand it to all the attendees of the AIPAC conference.
Still a man hears what he wants to hear, And disregards the rest




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If Iran gets the bomb – Checkmate in the middle east. It would effectively put an end to Israeli bullying and imperialism. Their plans to completely occupy Gaza and The West Bank would come to an immediate halt.
Actually I doubt there would be any change in Israeli actions on any topic. “Never again” really does mean we we do what we think is “right”, and fight you if you try to stop us – to total death.
That is what makes the question to the Israeli one of fight to the death now, or fight to the death later when the odds are more against you.
I do hope that, if Iran gets the bomb and we avoid an Israeli attack, the Supreme leader keeps it out of the hands of the Revolutionary Guard who would send it to Hez so as to make some more impacts on the West and on Israeli cities.
But it appears the very hard line Supreme leader and his hate of the west is what is driving this – indeed he has “fixed” the coming elections so that only those that support his policy can run (shades of one party America with its two corporate parties).
I don’t think so. I don’t think Israel has the stomach for it. They are constantly trying to con someone (like the US) into fighting their battles for them.
Call me paranoid if you wish, but I do not think it is even about Iran getting the bomb. I think there are people in powerful positions or influence that want WW3, and this is the way to do it.
Still a man hears what he wants to hear, And disregards the rest.
Rcc’d n SOINTLY for the tune, a great version of Boxer, one of the greatest songs of all time, and one that used to frequent camp jams at festivals out in the pines with mando’s, git’s, fiddles, dawghouses and dobro’s.
I love that song, and it gets done by grassy instruments just fine, fine, fine at 2am round a hardwood fire n cold Bushmills to tune the throat.
*G*
The diary was good, too. lol
Agree. Especially since Iran has never invaded anybody but has been invaded many times. Mostly by the west.
Hoss, by the time Iran gets a bomb, if they want one (smile), Israel will have LONG finished up their abuse and incursions and invasions and slaughters of all in Gaza and West Bank.
So, this nuke stuff is kinda, irrelevant.
IMHO.
N as Tuttle said, all this war sonic hasbara is to cover up electioneering in US and Isreal (Obama and Bibi) and incursions into Gaza and West Bank, as the genocide and elimination of all things Palistinean continues under the heavy hands of Likud and AIPAC.
Nope.
THE PTB and global corporate fascist families with wealth do not want this.
It would end their dreams of global empire, cleansing of race, and genetics dominance.
This attack on Iran is pure hasbara.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
When I read how little support there is among Israeli’s to go it alone, the possibility exists to short-circuit the Israelis. That we need to work on and spreading the INSS report I think would be extremely useful.
As I’ve written before, it wouldn’t surprise that the Israelis bring about their own holocaust with only themselves to blame. That would be a real tragedy.
Don’t remember; did you chime in on the diary I wrote pointing out confirmation bias and how it affects Weltanschauung?
The Bookends album never got the attention I feel it should have; still remember the emotions I felt in hearing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W773ZPJhcVw
And while looking for the video of the song ‘Old Friends’ came across this which I think you’ll enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCM8sI1RRDI
Can you say self full filling prophesy ?
I really like Bookends especially the first side.
As for confirmation bias, I remember doing a blog a while ago on an article I found online in a psychology site about how they found that when people “bandied it about” among themselves, they more often than not came to the WRONG conclusion but separately without talking amongst themselves, came to the correct conclusion.
http://972mag.com/poll-only-19-of-public-supports-unilateral-israeli-war-on-iran/36891/
“a poll published today by Dahaf, Israel’s leading public opinion surveying firm, found that only 19 percent of Israelis are in favor of Israel bombing Iran on its own”
This is like the solid hardcore war mongers in this country. Not so different after all.
“The poll results, though, are not all peace and love – a plurality of 42 percent favor a joint U.S.-Israeli attack, which means the pro-war camp has a 2-1 advantage over the peace camp. (32 percent are against an attack on Iran, period.)”
Ah FUCK ME. Well there goes the praise I was about to hoist on the Israelis. 42 percent. That’s almost half. I wonder if they’re as brainwashed by their corporate media as we are. Probably.
“But if you judge by the public statements of Israeli politicians, there’s 0 percent opposition to war. If you judge by the news coverage and the commentators, there’s maybe 5 percent opposition. There’s been such a brainwashing campaign going on in this country, such a colossal amount of self-censorship by all the politicians, security establishment types and other influential figures over the war issue, so I find it remarkable that only 19 percent of Israelis are behind Netanyahu and Barak, that one-third of the public doesn’t want a war of any kind, no matter who’s behind us.”
Don’t know if this is good or bad. Only 1/3 absolutely do not want war. Oh FUCK and me. Is madness contagious? And they’re right there as well. And they want a war with Iran? But 42% want the US involved. This is so far beyond bad comedy. This is a tragic fucking situation.
Here’s hoping Laure is correct and this is all just PTB show and no way an attack happens.
And when I say fuck me, I really mean the Iranian people will be fucked. Royally. If an attack happens (please let Laure be correct), then we will see a form of slaughter that will make Iraq look like a birthday party.
cmaukonen@1: Honestly, I don’t think anything will change. Iran will not risk a war with Israel over the Palistinians, especially one where the Israelis will feel free to open up.
But I think you’ll see a LOT more spy vs. spy operations, and a lot more sabotage against Israel. And Hezbollah might feel more free to act if their patron is protected from Israel.
We survived our cold war without turning the planet into a cinder. Niether Israel or Iran is particularly stupid, just paranoid. If we can deal with the soviets, they can deal with each other.
Boxturtle (I hope)
tambershell@13: The thing we’ve got to factor in is that Israel (taken as a whole) is really, really scared. Scared people either run and hide or lash out against their fear.
I think Israel has already decided to hit and when. I’d expect dark of the moon (Around the 20th) in the next three months. Probably April.
Boxturtle (If we want to stop them, we’ll have to cut off their allowence)
IN all likelihood, Larue is correct.
Should Iran issue a public statement that, “We won’t go for the nuclear weapon, provided Israel details a “reduction schedule” of their nuclear weapons arsenal, and followed by an “elimination schedule” of such remaining weapons.”
This would put Israel behind the proverbial eight ball, and the United States and the Europeans would, in all probability, side with the Iranians.
Jaango