Last week, Jason Leopold got an important scoop in his interview with former CIA officer John Kiriakou. Kiriakou first became known when he revealed the CIA had indeed used waterboarding. He was also the agent known for capturing supposed Al Qaeda mastermind, Abu Zubaydah. His interview with Leopold is fascinating and bears re-watching, as he also touches on other subjects, including his role in the Plame affair.
Marcy Wheeler has noted the inconsistency between Kiriakou’s claims in the video that Abu Zubaydah’s diaries were not, as portrayed by Ron Suskind in his book, The One Percent Doctrine, the diaries of a mentally ill individual, but simply those of a creative mind, since the government relies on these diaries as supporting material in its terrorism case against Zubaydah. (See also this earlier story by Leopold.)
According to Kiriakou (Marcy’s transcription):
Those weren’t diaries…. They were journals and doodle books. He would write these letters to himself. They weren’t really letters to himself. It was like a work of fiction.
Well, were they letters or not, John?
The quick switch (they were, they weren’t) is highly suggestive of lying and the use of a cover story. The preponderance of the reports from third parties suggest that Zubaydah has a mental disorder. The use of different personalities would suggest that disorder could be Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), one of the dissociative syndromes listed in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual IV-TR, otherwise known as the DSM.
Could Abu Zubaydah simply have been a singularly creative fellow, a Muslim belles-lettrist? For one thing, that side of his personality never surfaced in the psychological profile written up on him in July 2002. While this psychological profile is full of lies, half-truths, and other material aimed at allowing for a decision to use advanced EITs on him (like waterboarding), there is no reason to think that it would have left out a significant aspect of his functioning regarding what was in his diaries. Instead, it likely points to the fact that the CIA cover story on Abu Zubaydah was not yet fully developed by the summer of 2002, or that is would have to change significantly in the following years.
The existence of a DID profile for Zubaydah (if that were to be true, and there is some indication that it might be) is also notable because the artificial creation of dissociated personalities was a primary aim of CIA interrogation research for decades. This article by Dr. Colin Ross, past president of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation, describes some of this history, beginning with Projects Bluebird and Artichoke, and including the "psychic driving" experiments of Ewan Cameron (as described, among other places, in Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine). Over the years, the subject was relegated to conspiracy websites, haunted by a combination of schizophrenic, paranoiacs, and dedicated would-be historians, in addition to real victims of former government experiments.
I say relegated, because discussion of this topic has long not been considered respectable. (This might change now that the current Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Cass Sunstein, has stated that MKULTRA was a "true" conspiracy (PDF).) There is only one successful, mainstream book, which has been in print for 30 years or so now, that even treats the subject of government-created dissociated personalities, and that is John D. Marks’ Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA and Mind Control – The Secret History of the Behavioral Sciences. (This is not to belittle the other excellent authors who have published on the subject.)
Marks, who was once staff assistant to the Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, wrote his book utilizing 16,000 documents obtained painstakingly via FOIA, as well as interviews with psychologists and CIA officers. He blew the whistle on the mind control programs, which had been partly revealed by the Rockefeller Commission and Congressional investigation.
DID is a relatively rare psychiatric disorder. If Abu Zubaydah has this disorder, it certainly could have been developed in the course of his life. On the other hand, it would also be quite a coincidence that the man trumpeted by the government as an Al Qaeda mastermind, close to Osama bin Laden, who later turned out to be no such thing, and who was a key experimental guinea pig in the CIA’s EIT program, should also turn out to have DID.
It should be noted, too, that the study of dissociative phenomenon among SERE trainees has been a primary focus of military and CIA researchers, as evidenced by this report (PDF), and this journal article. An article at Truthout last year explored the links between one of the key researchers of these studies and the CIA.
The Man Who Was Almost There
According to an article by Ron Suskind in Time Magazine, Zubaydah’s diaries, "which the government refuses to release, is written in three voices over 10 years and is filled with page after page of quotidian nonsense about housekeeping, food and types of tea." The diaries, discovered in the safehouse where Zubaydah was captured, are thousands of pages long. In a Washington Post review of Suskind’s book, Barton Gellman went into more detail:
Abu Zubaydah, his captors discovered, turned out to be mentally ill and nothing like the pivotal figure they supposed him to be. CIA and FBI analysts, poring over a diary he kept for more than a decade, found entries "in the voice of three people: Hani 1, Hani 2, and Hani 3" — a boy, a young man and a middle-aged alter ego. All three recorded in numbing detail "what people ate, or wore, or trifling things they said." Dan Coleman, then the FBI’s top al-Qaeda analyst, told a senior bureau official, "This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality."
But according to George W. Bush, in a statement made as late as September 6, 2006, Zubaydah was "a senior terrorist leader and a trusted associate of Osama bin Laden" (H/T Blueness at Daily Kos). Who was this man captured by Kiriakou and his associates? There are only so many scenarios here that fit the known facts.
1) Abu Zubaydah was a lower-level jihadist who was the victim of bad intel and tortured. He was also a creative individual who wrote "doodle" notebooks to himself using multiple narrators as representing himself, mostly to amuse himself. Nevertheless, some good intel came from his interrogations.(Kiriakou’s narrative)
2) Abu Zubaydah was a high-level jihadist, worked with OBL. Was captured and tortured, and the U.S. obtained valuable intel that stopped terrorist attacks. His diaries contain evidence of his crimes. While they show evidence of "cognitive impairment," such impairment, or even any possible evidence re "multiple voices" is not relevant to the case against him. (Official U.S. government narrative)
3) Abu Zubaydah was thought to be a high-level jihadist, but upon examination wasn’t really too important. In fact, he appeared mentally ill, and wrote his diaries in multiple voices (three of them). He was inadvisedly used as a subject of the CIAs EIT program. (FBI interrogators’ and Ron Suskind narrative)
4) The biography of Abu Zubaydah is only partial known. He was a jihadist in the anti-Soviet war, and was badly wounded there. At some point he developed DID, or a DID syndrome was produced within him by government action. The government had a good deal of interest in experimenting on someone with DID, as it would have been valuable to them to know if the physiological variables they were testing (e.g., cortisol, catecholamines, etc.) would vary under "uncontrollable stress" (torture); in addition, if a learned helplessness syndrome could vary under different personalities. He was a very unusual and valuable guinea pig to them. It is also not impossible that they intended at some point to use him as a double agent, testing the use of dissociated personality "Manchurian Candidates" in dangerous Muslim extremist circles. (This is my quite speculative, hypothetical narrative, but grounded in reports of his possible mental illness, and in known practices and ambitions of the U.S. defense and intelligence agencies.)
By the way, Kiriakou’s assertion that Zubaydah did not seem schizophrenic or "mentally retarded," so therefore could not have multiple personalities shows his naivete or ignorance regarding DID. Someone with multiple personalities can appear quite normal and logical in some or all of these personalities. It is the dissociated or separate nature of the different personalities, far beyond the different tendencies or ways of operating publicly vs privately that is in all of us, that makes it unique and pathological. That and the fact that some of these personalities can be unconscious of the existence of other personalities. Remember, this is a rare phenomenon.
There are surely plenty of readers who believe this kind of analysis to be "far-out" there. Yet my hypothesis is quite possible. I won’t say it is probably true, because I don’t have enough information. Those still thinking that Zubaydah as a dissociated guinea pig is some sort of science fiction hokum should read more deeply into the history of U.S. mind control programs. One could start with an article by H.P. Albarelli and myself that reviewed the "Lyle case," an example of the CIA using Artichoke techniques to "re-condition" and "re-orient" a person through the use of drugs and hypnosis.
The attempt to control and predict human behavior, which was a cardinal principle of modern behaviorist psychology, has joined up with the imperial ambitions of post-Hiroshima America, and what it has produced are outlandish schemes and programs aimed at the control of individuals through psychological and physiological techniques that can only be called torture. Whether Abu Zubaydah was a potential Manchurian Candidate or not, the experiments done upon him and others to create an all-powerful form of coercive interrogation will go down as one of the horrors of modern times.



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This story has been on my mind for awhile. Did the U.S. torture a mentally-ill man? And why? For the reasons in my story? For other reasons? Or were they indifferent? What was the origin of the “bad intel” on Zubaydah? So many questions, and no real public airing of them in any official forum.
Jeff, wow! This is an incredible story! A fantastic read! You and Marcy have done a tremendous job putting all of the puzzle pieces together. And thanks for linking to that Time piece by Suskind. I don’t recall seeing that story before.
Thanks, Jason. When one gets into these murky waters, one isn’t sure if when you emerge you are comprehensible to others. Studying the works of the CIA and DoD and the behavioral science world on these subjects leaves you feeling like you’ve visited a dark and ugly world that isn’t anything like reality. Yet it is a part of our reality.
Thanks indeed, Jeff. That four-point summary of the claims (two) and serious possibilities (two) is so well done, a lot of learning condensed to a very usable outline for others to disseminate.
I read a number of the CSRTs when they first became available, and while they’re all fascinating, Abu Zubaydah’s made me cry. I cannot fathom how anyone of any conscience at all can resist admitting what has been done to him and try to make some kind of amends, if that is at all possible.
Thank you for putting so much together and bringing some understanding to it, Sundays post was outstanding with a raft of exceptional comments too. It is not falling on deaf ears.
I have a insundry readings and anecdotal recallections on these things, but am only an interested outsider, and medium informed level participant so I comment in applause of the efforts.
just in token to the subject I will refer to your last line:
My comment is that Let us hope that is the case.
But I think there is a troublesome gap between the belief so widely held, that torture is an information extraction tool, as in the (24) sense, and what it is more…
importantly: object lesson, and coercive, as in the application of fear, while the subject of that fear, seems to escape the sensibilities of the public in general, that it is also them, if not wholly, then principally.
And doubly that they are offered up the results of rendered intellegence, which is the false witness testimony under durress of saying what is desired, to stop the discomforts, for purposes, not in the publics interests, necessarily but to build script to back up senarios.
Re the differing rationales for torture, I’m planning a piece about the use of torture under the colonels coup regime in Greece (1967-1974). Not only was it supported by the U.S. (no real surprise here), but how the torture changed from the early days to the latter days of the regime, from torture aimed at getting information/confessions to destroy the left, to the later use of torture mainly as a form of social control and instilling fear. In the early days, the regime tried to hide the signs of torture. When the torture was later meant to strike fear in the population, the secrecy was loosened, and a turn away from “no marks” torture to the type that left definite visible scars the better to intimidate people.
Hey, if anyone from Amnesty is reading this, how about re-issuing your report/book, Torture in Greece: The First Torturers’ Trial 1975?
Great article, Jeff!
Niggling notes:
1. Zubaydah misspelled in title
2. “Marks, who was once staff assistant to the Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, wrote his book utilizing 16,000 obtained painstakingly via FOIA” 16,000 what? documents? (noun missing)
Now back to reading…
Bob in AZ
Bob, I should hire you as my proofreader! Thanks for saving me from embarrassment, especially in the headline. And I thought I’d really checked the darn thing!
Excellent article! Thank you. My next stop will be the Ross/Bluebird article. [It's a little daunting to realize how much I don't know. yikes!]
Tremendous post, Jeff. AZ certainly would have made for a very interesting subject for experimentation. That scenario, chilling as it is for what it suggests our country has done, certainly doesn’t feel very far “out there” for me to believe.
IIRC, DID is often a psychological adaptation to intolerable circumstances: one dissociates in order to avoid dealing with the realities of the moment. Again IIRC, isn’t it relatively common among abuse victims?
However, what I am thinking of here is dissociation during the moment of abuse. What the AZ diaries show is dissociation in a non-abuse reflective state. The equivalent psychological defense mechanism would be to go into a dissociative state when remembering the abuse, in order to avoid re-living the terror of those moments. The diary then becomes a defense mechanism to redirect one’s attention from terrifying memories to something more innocuous.
But then, I am not a psychologist.
Bob in AZ
Jeff another star blog.
Cass Sunstein on “conspiracy theories’
“The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined” to understanding
The biggest conspiracy theory of all was sold to the American public by the Bush administration. WMD’s in Iraq through endless repetition, a media that did not do its job
Cass Sunstein in his paper ” A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Queda but by Israel or the United States”
I think this conspiracy theory has gotten confused with the question about an alleged Israeli intelligence (Mossad?) group wire tapping and following the 9/11 bombers and not handing over or sharing all information and warning U.S. intelligence about what they knew. That four part series that Fox news Carl Cameron did in late 2001 soon after 9/11 on these alleged Israeli spies and the Israeli based telecom companies sure was shut down.
If folks have never watched the Fox news report sure is worth it.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
Important to watch all four reports. Interesting information about data storage and data mining and who has access.
I believe Fox news was pressured by Abe Foxman to take this report down from their site.
“DID is a relatively rare psychiatric disorder. If Abu Zubaydah has this disorder, it certainly could have been developed in the course of his life. On the other hand, it would also be quite a coincidence that the man trumpeted by the government as an Al Qaeda mastermind, close to Osama bin Laden, who later turned out to be no such thing, and who was a key experimental guinea pig in the CIA’s EIT program, should also turn out to have DID.”
So creepy
Not a psychologist? Could have fooled me. You’re (mostly) right on all points. DID is much more prevalent among abuse victims, but it is still a rare phenomena (in other words, most DID cases originated as responses to horrific abuse; while most cases of abuse, while bringing about dissociative symptoms, particularly during the moment of abuse itself, do not end up as DID).
Dissociation is a normal response to stress. People will fuzz out, lose concentration, feel emotionally numbed… as things progress, they might feel “unreal”, like “deja vu”, or experience themselves, as events worsen, as outside themselves (depersonalization), or very separate from their environment (derealization). High levels of dissociation as a defensive mode is a cardinal trait (along with hyperarousal of the autonomic nervous system, intrusive memories, and avoidance behaviors) of PTSD.
It’s believed that propensity to develop DID is somehow related to hypnotizability, or at least this is the link the CIA followed. It’s noteworthy that most of the Bluebird/Artichoke/MKULTRA etc. documentary evidence was destroyed, so that what we know is really the tip of the iceberg.
Thanks, Jim, for reality-testing my own suppositions, and to Leen… I’m not familiar with that report. You’re right re “the biggest conspiracy theory of all.”
Real pattern of destroying the evidence. These people who have tortured really did learn something from the SS. Destroy the evidence
If you create the case that the guy is crazy then what you have done to this person can never be verified. They seem to be hoping that they can keep AZ locked up and throw the key away.
Wonder what mental condition “Curveball” has?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29
US relied on ‘drunken liar’ to justify war
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/apr/03/iraq.usa1
“The Americans never had direct access to Curveball – he was controlled by the German intelligence services who passed his reports on to the Defence Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s spy agency.
Between January 2000 and September 2001, Curveball offered 100 reports, among them the claims of mobile biological weapons labs that were central in the US evidence of an illicit weapons programme, but subsequently turned out to be trucks equipped with machinery to make helium for weather balloons.
The commission concluded that Curveball’s information was worse than none at all. ‘Worse than having no human sources,’ it said, ‘is being seduced by a human source who is telling lies.”
And yet… it seems impossible to destroy all the evidence, even for the Nazis.
Minutes of the Wannsee Conference
Escaping censure for crimes knowingly and willfully committed would be one purpose in repeatedly falsely claiming that those in Gitmo and in our archipelago of secret prisons were the worst of the worst. That most were innocent of any crime, that they were picked up for a pittance in bounty payments or were just in the wrong place at the wrong time wouldn’t make us look competent, much less like heroes; it would make us look as foolish as Dick Cheney claiming he’s a proponent of the rule of law.
I think you said it better.
But the real deal is that we as… U know just us folks, such as… ( miss North Carolina?) such ass.
Earl: I read and reread your comment, and as far as I can tell we agree. As for me, I would never torture people. There is no need. That is a thing that comes from the devil.
and that they were just the cattle, that got caught in some operation. ‘they might be “somebody’s mother”, like the duck. the song. A duck might be somebody’s mother…”
Hey Earl I have to put in some humour. But if anyone remembers the (Hadgees) that got stuffed into 40 foot shipping containers, that is bad karma.
Dick Cheney is more of a reason for the browns and blackes and reds and even me… to… have qualms…. lol.
Thanks again Jeff. This is all important as researchers unravel the neo-con conspiracies for perpetual war machines.
As you know MKULTRA was not necessarily a “conspiracy theory”. People did not theorize that the government was trying to create mechanisms for “mind control”. No one would believe that the taxpayers were supporting giving drugs secretly to US citizens. Now we all know our Corporate Puppetmasters will do anything to maintain their corrupt wars.
People did “theorize” about COINTELPRO although the name was not known. It was known the government was trying to “neutralize” and “disrupt” the “left”. The Left being anyone against the Vietnam Quagmire. Sunstein does not incliude this conspiracy. Of course the other Conspiracy Theory that fascist Sunstein ignores is the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which was questioned almost from the time it happened. Sunstein is a great liar but he is no expert on Conspiracy Theories.
What kills me, is the irony that where there is extreme violence and trauma in any culture…and where that violence and trauma are “invalidated”…there are grave consequence for humanity in general. Avoidance often occurs and that can take many forms from innocuous powerlessness to destruction. (anger and rage are often used as a distraction from fear).
This is a NATURAL human reaction to three ingredients…trauma,(extreme pain and discomfort, serious threat to health and well being), invalidation (the sense that the pain and fear are not valid and that the reaction being experienced cannot be trusted, what follows is the destruction of “self”) and extreme fear (creating a chronic physical reaction in the body while experienced in the context of powerlessness, where the fight or flight response cannot be utilized effectively resulting in a cycle of fear and powerlessness that becomes chronic over time). This cycle is pretty well documented today and results in varying degrees of “mental illness”. I think of “terrorist” in the same vein as the violent man in his home. Using power and control, fear to control others to validate the self and meet objectives.
The ironic part is that while we fail to really understand the underpinnings of terrorism (which seem pretty well explained by the violence, trauma and invalidation of an entire region of people and all we know about violence, trauma and invalidation) Bush and Cheney’s behavior seems far more “unexplainable”. Who is really “insane” here? (I stop short of using the word “evil”)
Jeff,
Great post. I cannot wait for my son to read this. He had done a great deal of reading on PTSD and those readings led him to reading about DID. This was after reading the ICRC interview of AZ. After reading the AZ interview, we talked about how torture would cause someone to suffer PTSD. That is when he started researching PTSD. In addition, he had been reading many of your posts and the Torture blog at the ACLU. When he hit on the DID and possible triggers in terms of PTSD, that is when the Kafka idea clicked.
You have put into words pretty much the questions he kept asking me. I am not a professional and had no answers. All I could do was walk him through research and then have him ask you if it was “possible”.
You have put many pieces together here and given reasonable conclusions to many questions he had, (and I had as well after he kept asking me!)
Your post validates so much and affirms his creative and concerning thoughts. Thank you.
Thanks to Kafka too.
At least the world went after some of them.
You are, of course, correct, Frank. I should have put the word “conspiracy” in quotes, as the label is typically used as a means of de-legitimating a hypothesis. But I also wished to speak to those who are overly accepting of the mainstream narratives to let them know that one of their own couldn’t ignore the factual substance of this case.
Sunstein, in the main, is all about hiding much of importance about government activity and crimes. But if you admit one thing, it opens the door to others, and that will be the case with MKULTRA/Artichoke, which opens the door to long-time and widespread use of governmental assassination, mind control programs, etc.
I think the CIA relies on being able to bill stories about their true deeds as conspiracy theories arising in deranged minds (well, the latter is certainly true, esp if the CIA’s alleged deeds actually happened). As for the CIAs non-emotional manipulation programs, they have most all turned out to be as bad or worse than initial reports, and it took a long time for something approaching the truth to come out. I don’t see why it would be inappropriate to have that as the null hypothesis about every CIA program, as it is Ockham’s razor in this case.
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At C-span
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/05/18/HP/R/33003/Clinton+Sanctions+reached+with+Russia+china+Against+IRAN.aspx
Clinton saying that she has Russia and China on board for sanctions against Iran
In April, Pres. Obama and Russian Pres. Medvedev signed a new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) that will limit long-range nuclear weapons. Sec. of State Clinton, Defense Sec. Gates and Jt. Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mullen discuss the treaty at a Senate Foreign Relations Cmte hearing. This would replace the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty and the 2002 Moscow Treaty.
NEXT STOP IRAN FOLKS…MOVING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK AT THE DEAD IN IRAQ, IN FACT WE DON’T EVEN COUNT THE DEAD
Makes ya wonder what’s in the water, doesn’t it?
Americans sure have been acquiescent during the rape of this country…”oh, the neighbor lost their house in the real-estate scam? What’s for dinner?”
Yes, that is the reasonable assumption to make.
To Kassandra @28, it’s only acquiescence on the surface, below it is, I believe, all fear.
Can I buy that lot? Do they have oil? Move on now, next chapter, turn the page is the theme song in Washington D.C. Both Dems and Republicans have been singing this song…as well as Obama and Liebermann
So comforting to have the null hypothesis to be thinking the worst about the entity. /s
o/t Craig Murray talks about that here:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/05/irans_uranium_s.html
Comments are interesting, too.
Thanks, Jeff, much obliged. Maybe someday we’ll find out that “To Mechanize and Weaponize Humanity” has been APA’s covert motto all this time.
Clinton just claimed that Iran is enriching over 20%, keeps accessing more enriched uranium, and troubled by their unwillingness to meet with the P5 less 1″
Not sure how true any of this is
Yeah, having to distrust our public servants to that extent sure does suck. Still, it would make for far more interesting journalism, if taken seriously, eh?
Seems to me, ever since “we” won WWII, the glory of the “Greatest Generation,” the triumphalism, has deluded
journalistsstenographers into thinking the US Gov’t, esp. the military, can do no wrong. We’re the Nazi-killing US of A, motherfucker! How dare you question our motives and methods?! Guards, seize that “evil-doer”!Mentally ill terrorists? Are you kidding? They’re all bat shit crazy and if you want to call that mentally ill – go for it.
So should I feel badly for him? Tell him sorry? Just curious…
Having Dissociative-identity Disorder (formerly Multiple-personality Disorder) does not make a person “mentally ill” in any significant way, and it’s wrong to use that stigmatising term.
Having a splintered personality means the person is out of touch with parts of their own personality, not out of touch with the consensual world we all inhabit. It’s categorised with the neuroses, like compulsive handwashing, not with the psychoses like schizophrenia. It’s rather rare, and most cases are thought to be a response to unbearable horrors in childhood.
On one level, virtually everyone has a touch of that disorder. Who among us is fully aware of all her/his motives, fears, prejudices, etc? We all have such “stuff” modifying our relationship with the consensual world. But we shunt those quirks off into our mental closets, cellars, or attics to live, and we pretend, even to ourselves, that they don’t exist.
In people with DID/MPD, the personality fragments have lives of their own, sometimes get to control the shared body, but rarely interfere with one another; whereas with us “normal” people, the reviled fragments don’t get named, but can drive us nuts with their interference in our lives. That’s not a lot of difference.
Thanks so much for all of your diligent work, Jeff. I wonder if your theory will some day be proven true.
so the ? remains: why did we waterboard AZ 183 times? And why were the videos “destroyed”? And where are the MF’in transcripts? What was asked during the torture? What were his answers?
According to one involved(sorry, don’t remember the name or have links but it can be easily found w/google), at one point we pretended we were handing him over to Saudi interogators, known for their ruthlessness in an attempt to instill yet more fear. Instead we had CIA agents that could pass as Saudi’s playing the role.
AZ reaction when left alone w/ the “Saudi’s” was like, “oh man, am I glad to see you guys. I’m in on it, yes I’m a protected asset”. He then named 3 princes and the head of the Pakistani Air Force as people who could vouch for him. He even gave from memory the personal cell phone number of
at least one prince. He said they were all involved with 9/11 under the direction of the CIA. All 3 princes and the Paki AF head were mysteriously dead within one months time.
That is why we need the transcripts. That is yet one more reason we need a new, real, with subpeona’s, investigation into 9/11.
I think you are confusing terrorism tactics with torture.
I think terrorism is easy to understand, but due to political motivations disinformation has been purposefully introduced to confuse the public, and demonize the terrorized.
Removing the ability to think critically, confusing right from wrong is destroying our social fabric.
The philosophy of terrorism
@Jeff, FYI: Removing Documents From the Wayback Machine
They can also send an email request to archive.org.
Too bad Judge Hellerstein didn’t think the NYC ballot initiative (80,000 signatures) to get a real investigation on the ballot was appropriate.
Press for Truth is a great introduction to the absurdity of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#
In addition to the Saudi Princes and Pakistani Generals with fingerprints all over 9/11, note the Zionist/Mossad ties of the PNAC guys that assumed all of the key positions to allow/cause 9/11 to happen.
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
Note the Mossad ties of Ronald Lauder, Chairman of NY Governor Pataki’s commission on privitazation.
“Lauder founded a school for the Mossad in Herzliya, Israel called the Lauder School of Government Diplomacy and Strategy.”
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
Note the close relationship between Silverstein and Netanyahu, Sharon, and Barak.
Note the Israeli commando past of Silverstein’s partner, Frank Lowey, who took control of the mall below WTC.
Note that then FBI head of enforcement was none other than Michael Chertoff, author of the Patriot Act (before 9/11) and son of one of the founding officers of the Mossad. It was Michael Chertoff who quietly released over 40 Israeli spies swept up after 9/11.
It was an Israeli company with Mossad ties, ICTS, in charge of airport security at two of the airports where hijackers took off from.
Proud Zionist judges Michael Mukasey and Hellerstein were in place to handle all 9/11 related cases. Mukasey was then promoted to Attorney General with the essential help of proud Zionists Charles Schumer and Diane Feinstein.
Doug Feith used to be visited regularly by Israeli generals who walked into his office like they owned the place.
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2004/jan/19/00027/
“In early winter, an incident occurred that was seared into my memory. A coworker and I were suddenly directed to go down to the Mall entrance to pick up some Israeli generals. Post-9/11 rules required one escort for every three visitors, and there were six or seven of them waiting. The Navy lieutenant commander and I hustled down. Before we could apologize for the delay, the leader of the pack surged ahead, his colleagues in close formation, leaving us to double-time behind the group as they sped to Undersecretary Feith’s office on the fourth floor. Two thoughts crossed our minds: are we following close enough to get credit for escorting them, and do they really know where they are going? We did get credit, and they did know. Once in Feith’s waiting room, the leader continued at speed to Feith’s closed door. An alert secretary saw this coming and had leapt from her desk to block the door. “Mr. Feith has a visitor. It will only be a few more minutes.” The leader craned his neck to look around the secretary’s head as he demanded, “Who is in there with him?””
The director of the 9/11 Commission who quietly controlled its scope was Bush Doctrine Author Philip Zelikow.
Israeli, Saudi, Pakistani, and Bush CIA guys working together in a nefarious plot? Sounds like Iran/Contra, BCCI, or a handful of other known scandals.
Thanks for the great article Jeff.
“Operation Mind Control” is another book on the subject. Here’s the PDF:
http://www.karlaturner.org/books/Operation_Mind_Control_-_Walter_Bowart.pdf
It is out of print, but was written by Walter Bowart, a friend of Timothy Leary. Bowart married Peggy Hitchcock:
Food for thought – was Timothy Leary working for the CIA, and if so, for how long?
Leary may have been Bowart’s prime source for “Operation Mind Control.”
Note that Charles Manson and The Symbionese Liberation Army leader Donald DeFreeze were both imprisoned at Vacaville Prison at the time that the CIA was conducting LSD experiments on prisoners there.
RFK Must Die is an excellent 2007 documentary on the RFK assassination, and Sirhan’s possible hypnosis-based mind control. Note the notorious CIA assassins patrolling the hotel, and the CIA background of the LAPD interrogator who convinced a witness not to testify about the presence of the girl in the polka dot dress. Plenty of audio and visual evidence of holes in the official story:
http://www.quickflicksnow.com/links/?id=325
If the CIA isn’t using mind control to hype the threat of Al Queda, it’s not because it hasn’t crossed their mind…
Here’s some Obama-is-CIA conspiracy fodder. I don’t vouch for its accuracy…
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message721345/pg1
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-government-and-military.html
OK, folks, let us start with the DSM-IV-TR.
When the American Psychiatric Association revised the DSM-II, they did field studies to assess inter-rater reliability (kappa coefficients). They weren’t particularly good. Diagnosing, say, major depression, had a kappa of about .80. To make that a usable number, you have to square it, yielding .64, meaning that about two thirds of the time there was agreement on the diagnosis, and one third of the time there was not. (Would insurance companies stand for general surgeons to be wrong one-third of the time in the diagnosis of appendicitis?) So, the American Psychiatry Association tried to tighten-up the diagnostic criteria for the DSM-III-R; the kappa coefficients, went DOWN. So, when they did the DSM-IV, and the DSM-IV-TR, they simply abandoned measuring inter-rater reliability, and indeed any sort of reliability at all.
From a psychometric standpoint, the validity of diagnosis is limited by the square-root of reliability. So, what we have here is a diagnostic system with no established reliability, which necessarily means there is no established validity of diagnosis.
What does that suggest to you as to the validity of the diagnosis of DID? There is no reason to believe it exists.
DID is a derivative of multiple personality disorder, which itself has no validity in the research literature. Makes for good suspense novels and movies. It has enabled therapists to bilk insurance companies out of billions of dollars for therapy for a condition which does not exist.
So, look again for a more parsimonious explanation.
You write as if no one in the field understood or agreed with your points on the scientific reliability and validity issues surrounding DSM diagnoses, but a brief look online will find many journal articles looking at just these points, and often on diagnoses with much less inter-rater reliability than depression. (One such study found a kappa of .22 for schizoaffective disorder, making the question of its validity a kind of joke.)
However, your response veers off into clinical Luddism, and even a kind of blindness regarding observational phenomenon readily found in clinical settings. I work often with people who have some kind of trauma syndrome. The DSM only gives two possible diagnoses for these (Acute Stress Syndrome or PTSD), and many are the individuals who suffer from trauma, but may not meet the criteria for these two DSM diagnoses.
DID is the currently accepted term for what used to be called, and sometimes still is, multiple personality disorder. The latter is not a theoretical construct, but was a clinical presentation that forced itself upon generations of doctors and therapists, who admittedly didn’t understand what exactly it meant, or why patients had these issues. But had them they certainly did.
One could go back to 1908 and read Morton Prince’s The Dissociation of a Personality. The experience of dissociation and strange psychic states became an object of modern scientific interest after the work of Mesmer. In the early 1830s, Charles Darwin wrote a few of his secret notebooks looking at the subject of somnabulism, “double consciousness”, etc. (See Howard Gruber’s book, Darwin on Man: A Psychological Study of Scientific Creativity .) Certainly, one could read about the work of Charcot at the Salpetriere in the latter 19th century, and his work on “hysterics”, to whom one could hypnotize and then place needles painlessly through their skin. Dissociations of mental state are reported by trauma patients all the time, including torture victims, who describe their emotional survival as being due to going outside their bodies to look at themselves, so they weren’t “present” for the torture.
Whether of not, for instance, AZ had a diagnostic entity such as DID, as defined in the DSM, is one thing. Whether he was experiencing abnormal or extremely unusual mental states, or ways of organizing his personality, is another. Unless you accept Kiriakou’s hypothesis, it appears likely AZ was experiencing some kind of dissociative response to the stresses of his life. I say “likely”, not surely, because unless we were able to talk with him or do a more thorough assessment, or even examine these diaries, one cannot say for sure.
Whether you or I agree on DID or multiple personalities or dissociation or not is mainly besides the point. There is ample evidence the CIA and military research entities did, and millions of dollars were spent researching it. I’m suggesting they are carrying through similar experiments even now.
“Whether you or I agree on DID or multiple personalities or dissociation or not is mainly besides the point. There is ample evidence the CIA and military research entities did, and millions of dollars were spent researching it.”
You had me worried. I don’t think it is necessary to drag controversial syndromes into discussing torture (or rely on Kiriakou as a witness in any way), but if you are telling me that the CIA likes to stare at goats, I can buy that.
After all, this is the same crowd of geniuses that bankrolled the “isomer” bomb. Bomb it did.
I meant that we think we don’t “understand” but I think that for most folks in the mental health field, the answer is pretty clear. My point was that Bushco doesn’t look all that different if you break the behaviors down. Using violence to accomplish an objective. Killing innocent people to obtain a goal.
When we think it’s not explainable, when we think it doesn’t make sense, we have no solutions. That’s how those addicted to power and control would like to keep it.
Minimize, deny and blame…invalidation…the language of all perpetrators.
It works so well, because it keeps all of us confused and apathetic. It wasn’t that bad, it was your fault, and there was no violence…what are you talking about??? It works. Invalidation is a powerful tool.
Re DID, let me make my position as clear and simple as possible.
Dissociation of awareness, including awareness of self, exists without a doubt. The most concrete example is in the state of sleep which we enter every night. The various states of mind and consciousness associated with the term “dissociation” have been known, used, and discussed for over one hundred years now. I certainly am not wedded to the DSM, which I’ve made clear. But we must have some way of hypothesizing or thinking about psychological conditions. The days of pure behaviorism, which denies the need to consider consciousness, and therefore its vicissitudes, have long been over in psychology.
The phenomenon wherein an individual experiences themselves as separate personalities is quite rare, but real. This is a psychological fact as much as any other. As I said, the CIA made this a cardinal aspect of its interrogation and torture research for a generation or more.
If anyone is looking for a more solid, measurable way to apprehend this aspect of mental reality, they can retreat to the Kantian position that subjective reality is real, but not being measurable can never be the subject of a real science. But then we’d have to relive the last 200 years of psychology, and I, for one, wouldn’t wish that upon anyone.
In Susskinds book “The Price of Loyalty” there were strong inferences that part of why Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neil was let go was when he started investigating Saudi money backing up some of the hijackers
I always wondered about Leary..the push the encouragement telling folks (some of them political) to “turn on, tune in, drop out” What a way to stop people’s political involvement. Always wondered about Leary
And today Clinton took us one step closer towards military aggression with Iran
Hillary warmongering Clinton made some claims today during this hearing that I hope the leveretts will go over and explain or let us know if what she claimed about Iran is anywhere close to the truth. Clinton said that Iran is enriching uranium above the 20% that they are allowed according to the NPT
Hope folks will listen to what Clinton had to say today
Senate Foreign Relations Cmte. Hearing on START Treaty (May 18, 2010)
http://www.c-span.org/
Clinton said today that she had China and Russia on board for more sanctions
Clinton, Obama, our Reps keep repeating “move forward, next chapter, turn the page” “don’t be about retribution, revenge” When was it during the last eight years that justice and accountability for very serious crimes started being defined as “retribution” instead of justice and accountability.
Hundreds of thousands are dead, injured, millions displaced in Iraq and Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration are headed towards more aggression towards Iran.
I know history repeats itself but this is insane and criminal
Your point is well-taken.
Dr. Kaye,
Thanks for the post. I’ll take this into consideration when I do revisions to my project.
You have answered a number of my questions irt AZ and his PTSD and possible DID.
Thanks.
Son-of-klynn
Jeff I hope Seminal keeps this up. Such an interesting and necessary topic. Thank you for all of your deep research.
Last night kept wondering why one of the big time Hollywood directors have never done a film called “MKULTRA” and dug into the topic.
It would be a money maker
“And doubly that they are offered up the results of rendered intellegence, which is the false witness testimony under durress of saying what is desired, to stop the discomforts, for purposes, not in the publics interests, necessarily but to build script to back up scenarios.”
Although Cheney and team never seemed to get someone saying that Iraq was involved with the 9/11 attack
Jeff did you watch that four part report by Cameron?
Thought it was very interesting that the F.B.I. let those Israeli students go. The drug trafficking part and the bit about these Israeli based telecommunication data mining and storage companies had supposedly been infiltrated through a “back door”
The I lobby sure pushed for that report being shut down
Well said, mairead. Reminds me of Erickson’s ideas about ego diffusion and consolidaton.
Note that our throats are univocal, not our psyches. There’s no evidence (that I’m aware of) to conclude that, as in monotheism, There Can Be Only One.
IMO, reducing humanity to Newton’s dusty old balls in absolute vacuums has resulted in imploding our psyches into quantum singularities of egocentric pain. Or, more poetically, selves cellf-imprisoned in cellves of our own mistaken making.
We only think in those outdated images and terms, ie, that mythological frame. In fact, we are seamless fields of kenotic vortices, the more stable of which we call “things.”
That is, we’re events, mutually arising. Given that, achieving ego consolidation is seen, as you say, as a negotiation among elements of our psyches. And our torture techniques, as efforts to “clear, hold, and build” psyches as weapons.
Leen, here is the Fox News report you mentioned. I too am curious to know what Jeff thinks about it, and if he is at least actively exploring the possibility of Israeli involvement on various levels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo
Jeff and his friend H.P. Albarelli were on here discussing Albarelli’s book, and Albarelli and perhaps Jeff too expressed strong suspicion that Jim Jones’ People’s Temple was CIA connected, especially in Guyana at Jonestown.
I’m wondering if a non-Evangelical group could be created or framed to piss off a good block of Christian Zionists, by their non-Evangalical Zionist benefactors or by Blackwater connected Bush CIA elements, or both.
They did. It was called The Ipcress File, and starred Michael Caine. While on sale in European countries DVD format, it is not available, except use, in the U.S. It sometimes shows on Turner Classic Movies.
In the movie, Harry Palmer (Caine) discovers a mind control project, and is captured and subjected to the process himself. IPCRESS stands for “Induction of Psycho-neuroses by Conditioned Reflex under Stress”.
I believe other films have touched upon the topic. A Clockwork Orange, for instance, alludes to some of the mind control techniques. So, too, do the Jason Bourne movies.
I do not know much about the activities of Israeli intelligence. The U.S. has collaborated over the years with the intelligence services of a number of countries, including Israel.
Before we go off worrying about the Mossad and drug running, etc. (not an implausible supposition), we should be clear regarding the evidence of our own government in this, of which there is ample evidence. One journalist — Gary Webb — can be said to have lost his life (in a manner of speaking) over that story. Moreover, it’s in the news today, as the U.S. supports Karzai’s opium warlord brother in the Kandahar area. But the treasure drove of information can be found in reading about the U.S. support of the Contras during the 1980s, though the story doesn’t begin or end there.
Investigating the impact of Israeli intelligence, or any foreign intelligence service, is something I wish I had more time for.
As for Jonestown, I know little about it also, and have no reason to believe People’s Temple was or was not CIA connected. I have not spoken with Hank Albarelli about it.
I meant, it’s available used, but is expensive, as it is rare.