Breaking, 5:30pm. After 8 hours of deliberations by the seven-person military jury, the jury reached a decision, sentencing Omar Khadr to prison for 40 years. The decision is subject, reportedly, to the plea deal made with Khadr and his legal team, whereby the young man confessed to murder and other crimes, for a promise of an eight year sentence — one year in Guantanamo, followed by seven years in Canada. The following liveblogging started earlier today.
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After a day’s break in the proceedings of the Omar Khadr military commissions trial, and five hours of jury deliberation yesterday, the trial picked up at 12: 27pm today, Eastern time. The trial is being live-tweeted by a number of journalists present in Guantanamo, most notably Carol Rosenberg, Andrew Mayeda, Michelle Shephard, Derek Stoffel, French journalist Malorie Beauchemin, and others, who are watching proceedings on a video feed. Other journalists and observers, such as Daphne Eviatar, are in the courtroom, and we can expect reports from them later.
It has been a contentious week, and I’ll assume if you’re reading this you have already been following the trial. I should mention up front, that I find the military commissions trial of Omar Khadr to be a kangaroo court, meant to produce a false confession for show trial, propaganda purposes. The purpose of liveblogging this proceeding via twitter-feed is to give as up-to-date information on the breaking news of this important trial — the first trial of a former child soldier in modern, Western history — and a forum for readers to discuss and process the proceedings.
For those interested in such things, Twitters own license, agreed to by those who sign up via Twitter, says that anyone using Twitter agrees “to make your Tweets available to the rest of the world and to let others do the same.” The two relevant feeds from Twitter can be directly accessed here and here.
Right now, it appears the 7-person military jury has asked to have the video replayed of the testimony of Captain Patrick McCarthy, the former legal adviser at Guantanamo, who testified earlier that Omar Khadr had the “potential to rehabilitate.”
The following are not inclusive of all the Tweeting being done, but selected samples. Besides the journalists, I’m adding what I feel are relevant or interesting tweets from others following on Twitter:
@DerekStoffelCBC Derek Stoffel
#Khadr jury wants to see transcript of Cpt. McCarthy’s testimony. Court has no transcript but Judge Parrish offers to let them see it again. [~1:02pm ET]@JulietONeill Juliet O’Neill
Following my colleague @mayeda at #Khadr jury deliberations at #Gitmo. Will report Ottawa #cdnpoli reaction to jury decision/plea bargain. [~1:03pm ET]@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
At 30 minutes into deliberation jury revisiting testimony of Capt McCarthy, the 06-08 prison staff lawyer who spoke by video from Kabul. [~1:05pm ET]@shephardm Michelle Shephard
They don’t have transcript so #GTMO judge is now re-playing a recording of his testimony for 7-member #Khadr jury from earlier this week. [~1:07pm]@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
While jury watches, we can see prosecutors Jeffrey Groharing and Michael Grant are talking to each other behind their hands. On video…
[~1:08pm]
Now this seems of special interest:
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Human Rights Watch observer spotted four #Khadr jurors and widow of soldier he killed taking brunch in same #Guantanamo dining room today. [~12:17pm ET]
This would be before court had resumed for the day.
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Debating difference in definition of sequestration between civilian juries, war court. Factoring in #Guantanamo has one Sunday brunch venue. [~1:19pm ET]
@DerekStoffelCBC Derek Stoffel
#Khadr jury spent an hour re-listening to Cpt. McCarthy's testimony. They're now back deliberating. We're back to waiting. [2:07pm ET]@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
McCarthy testified that #Khadr appeared to have a "positive" influence on other inmates [2:11pm ET]@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
#Khadr's jury is back deliberating after 1-hour re-run. McCarthy urged different "standard of accountability" for 15 year old than adult. [~2:14pm ET]@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
#Khadr was originally housed in camp 5, highest security facility at #Gitmo; but eventually transferred to camp 4. for "compliant" inmates [~2:14pm ET]@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
McC notes that #Khadr never kicked out of camp 4, despite zero tolerance on misbehaviour under #Gitmo rules [~2:14pm ET]@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
But McC seemed to back down under prosecution cross-examination; prosecution read him several reports by prison guards on #Khadr
[~2:16pm ET]
The deliberations over the potential rehabilitation of Omar Khadr is a staple portion of the sentencing phase of a criminal trial. According to news reports, Khadr has already made a stipulation to guilt, one that has been seriously questioned by many, and it’s worth looking at Marcy Wheeler’s blog post on this, as well as Daphne Eviatar at the Huffington Post.
Back to it…
@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
“15 year olds, in my opinion, shouldn’t be held to the same standard of accountability as adults should be,” McCarthy said [~2:26pm ET]@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
The jury has now resumed deliberations; they’re now approaching their sixth hour … [~2:27pm ET]@m_beauchemin Malorie Beauchemin
Procès #Khadr. Les journalistes auront 15 min pour se rendre en Cour entendre la sentence. On sursaute chaque fois que le téléphone sonne. [~2:40pm ET] [Google translator: "Journalists will have 15 minutes to go to court to hear the sentence. We jump every time the phone rings."]
Some other commentary on Twitter:
@BridgetGuevara Bridget Guevara
Whaaaat?! // MT @vickersty #Khadr prsctrs trying to use forced plea as evidence he can’t be rehabilitated. YOU can’t be rehabilitated@CanadaLiberty CanadaLiberty
If Khadr had been a15 yr.oldAmericanDefendingtheAlamo,He’dBeAnAmerican Hero! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX_W8Ih8c0A #ondp #lpc #khadr@GeorgieBC Georgie BC
It is ok for US soldiers to murder children, but it is a war crime for children to murder US soldiers. .. http://tinyurl.com/34fsnfd #Khadr
Now, here’s a curious point I had not noticed:
@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
@LadyLibertine22 #Khadr defence never called their mental-health experts to testify
I know that one of the people who had been prepared to testify was Brig. Gen. (ret.) Stephen Xenakis, “Omar Khadr’s unlikely defender.” See Michelle Shephard’s story in The Star:
Xenakis, now 62 and retired from the army, is one of the court-approved medical experts granted access to Khadr over the last few years. He has spent more than 100 hours meeting with the Toronto-born captive and considered an important witness for the defence in the trial that is finally set to begin on Monday….
“There’s nothing that makes me think this guy’s dangerous in any way,” says Xenakis. “For us to use him as a symbol or icon of us being hard on terrorists, which is something that has been the position all along, is wrong.”….
“I think it’s wrong to take a person who’s a 15-year-old, who’s basically a child soldier, and for us to treat him as something other than an adolescent who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time,” says Xenakis.
3:01 pm ET, via Carol Rosenberg. Jury still out. Total deliberation time: 6.5 hrs.
For readers who may not know, whatever the jury decides, if it is more than the amount of years agreed in the plea bargain (8 years, with approx. one more in Guantanamo, and then supposed transfer to Canada), the plea deal will be honored. If the amount of time decided is less, then Khadr could go free in under 8 years, theoretically. However, the U.S. really threw the book at Khadr to get him to stipulate guilt for their phony show trial.
Additionally, the U.S. has a habit of going back on its deals, most recently in the case of Ibrahim al-Qosi. See this posting by Marcy Wheeler.
3:34pm ET
@m_beauchemin Malorie Beauchemin
Sept heures de délibérations pour le jury d’Omar Khadr, chargé de déterminer la sentence. Toujours pas de décision. [Google Translator: "Seven hours of deliberation the jury of Omar Khadr, charged with determining the sentence. Still no decision."
More background:
@uruknet uruknet
Canada’s role in the persecution of child soldier Omar #Khadr http://bit.ly/bl4KcW #guantanamo #humanrights [~2:57pm ET]
bmaz is answering some questions, with his legal expertise, over at Emptywheel, lots of interesting commentary re possibility of a Khadr appeal, other matters:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/10/28/the-boys-of-war/#Respond
A few new tweets in past half hour, reminding us…
@Perkel Colin Perkel
If sentencing jury at #Khadr can’t agree, then convening authority can order new sentencing hearing or impose no punishment.@Perkel Colin Perkel
Further, for a sentence of 10 years or more, six of seven #Khadr jurors must agree . . .
It’s now 4:30 pm, ET, and Michelle Shephard is reporting from Gitmo:
@shephardm Michelle Shephard
Coming up eight hours for #Khadr jury. Past #Gitmo sentence deliberations for Australian, Yemeni and Sudanese detainees was under two hours
BREAKING: Jury will have decision in 14 minutes, reported via multiple tweets — It’s now 4:50pm ET
@brynweese Bryn Weese
#Khadr jury has sentencing decision. About to tell court in 15 mins.@DerekStoffelCBC Derek Stoffel
Media being told a sentencing decision in #Khadr case will come in 15 minutes.@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
Reporters at #Gitmo scrambling to get up to court to hear the #Khadr sentence@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
The Omar #Khadr jury has returned a sentencing verdict in slightly over 8 hours. Media scrambling to #Guantanamo war court.@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
He will be the first detainee convicted of murder (in violation of the laws of war) by the #Gitmo tribunal
Convicted? Is that how it will be spun? How apart, first detainee to be forced to confess for the Gitmo show trial?
More Mayeda:
@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
Also, #Khadr is the first #Gitmo detainee to be sentenced who committed his crimes as a juvenile
Flash – 40 years sentence:
@DerekStoffelCBC Derek Stoffel
BREAKING: #Khadr military jury recommends 40 years in prison.@DerekStoffelCBC Derek Stoffel
#Khadr jury recommends 40 years… BUT plea deal Khadr signed limits his sentence to 8 years – can apply for transfer to Canada after 1 yr.
At first they couldn’t hear it:
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Omar #Khadr is standing. The sentence was announced but the jury wasn’t miked and we in #Guantanamo’s filing center didn’t hear it.
So, the military jury says it will ignore the child status of Omar Khadr at the time of capture, or ignore the torture of Omar Khadr. They appear to be channeling the racist demagoguery of hand-picked psych expert, Dr. Michael Welner. What was the purpose of this show?
More from Guantanamo, 5:11pm:
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Tabitha Speer, #Khadr’s victim’s widow cheered at the sentence. The Toronto-born war criminal looked straight ahead.@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
RECAP: Omar #Khadr’s military jury returned a 40-year sentence and the judge told him, out of earshot of the panel, that he will serve 8.
And the reaction on Twitter at #khadr? A sampling:
@habibahamid habiba hamid
Breaches UN convention on rights of child @amayeda #Khadr sentenced to 40 years, military confirms@RS_Chang Richard S. Chang
Really wonder how jury came to 40-year sentence for Omar #Khadr, who was a 15-year-old child soldier when he was caught on battlefield.@dgardner Dan Gardner
A fitting conclusion for an unconscionable and unjust proceeding. RT @DerekStoffelCBC: #Khadr military jury recommends 40 years in prison.@progress_report Brodie Conley
are you f*cking kidding me? 40 years recommended sentence. what do you expect from a jury made up of military personnel. #khadr@rmazar Rochelle
WTH this is how we deal with child soldiers?! RT @DerekStoffelCBC: BREAKING: #Khadr military jury recommends 40 years in prison
Michelle Shephard notes:
#Guantanamo sentence 15 more than even Pentagon prosecutors asked for in #Khadr case.
The verdict will be used by right-wing commentators to “prove” that Khadr was “worst of the worst,” and by implication all of the prisoners at Guantanamo. This propaganda show is one example of how prisoners are used for exploitation, i.e., psychological warfare purposes. It is no different than the Stalinists using show trials of dissenters, complete with confessions and fake juries, the entire panoply of juridical proceedings, but with none of the content.
A sad, shameful day for America. A country that will not own up to its own use of torture. How much irritating crap will I have to read about this or that little political mini-tempest on various blogs, while the soul of the country shades into infamy?
What now?
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
#Khadr attorney: “Omar was given a choice to plead guilty or be prosecuted in an unfair process with the possibility of a life sentence.”@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
#Khadr is #Guantanamo’s youngest and last Western detainee among 174 now held in the prison camps. He is now the convicted 3rd war criminal.@amayeda Andrew Mayeda
Am told by military spokeswoman here that the plea-deal docs (and hopefully diplomatic notes between Canada-US) will be released@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
He had been held in #Guantanamo’s communal camp for cooperative detainees. Now he goes into single cell, maximum security confinement.
Back into solitary confinement, i.e., back into torture, since isolation is a very specific kind of torture. What a massive clusterfuck! Submit Khadr to this charade, kill his sense of self-integrity via false confession, then shove him into solitary with the “belief” (and how can I not this put this word into quotes?) that he will be released to custody in Canada for another seven years…
Omar Khadr is you or me. This is what the U.S. rulers have in store for anyone who they decide to make an example of.
More on the reality that solitary confinement constitutes torture. From a Wired interview with psychologist Craig Haney, who has worked on this subject for a long-time:
…let me note that solitary confinement has historically been a part of torture protocols. It was well-documented in South Africa. It’s been used to torture prisoners of war.
There are a couple reasons why solitary confinement is typically used. One is that it’s a very painful experience. People experience isolation panic. They have a difficult time psychologically coping with the experience of being completely alone.
In addition, solitary confinement imposes conditions of social and perceptual stimulus deprivation. Often it’s the deprivation of activity, the deprivation of cognitive stimulation, that some people find to be painful and frightening.
Some of them lose their grasp of their identity. Who we are, and how we function in the world around us, is very much nested in our relation to other people. Over a long period of time, solitary confinement undermines one’s sense of self. It undermines your ability to register and regulate emotion. The appropriateness of what you’re thinking and feeling is difficult to index, because we’re so dependent on contact with others for that feedback. And for some people, it becomes a struggle to maintain sanity.
That leads to the other reason why solitary is so often a part of torture protocols. When people’s sense of themselves is placed in jeopardy, they are more malleable and easily manipulated. In a certain sense, solitary confinement is thought to enhance the effectiveness of other torture techniques.
And, no press appearance from the jury:
@shephardm Michelle Shephard
#Guantanamo prosecutors, #Khadr lawyers on the way to media hangar for press conferences. #Military jurors have declined to be interviewed.@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Pentagon spokeswoman advises: All seven military officers on #Khadr jury were asked if they’d take questions from the media and all refused.
For those who felt Omar Khadr should not have taken the plea deal, consider this from Michelle Shephard:
@shephardm Michelle Shephard
If #Khadr had not taken the plea deal of 8 years and was instead given the jury sentence he would be 64 when released.
It’s time for me to sign off here. Carol Rosenberg and others are headed for the news conference. Carol tweets:
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Off to a press conference in the Camp Justice hangar with prosecutors, observers. Story updating regularly here. http://ow.ly/32f0Z
My thanks again to all the reporters and commentators who have worked on this story. I look forward to what those in the courtroom saw and felt, the feedback from Khadr’s attorneys, the prosecutors (gag), and assorted media.
A low and sad day for justice. A terrifying day for Omar Khadr. And to Mrs. Speer and others, who thought they would never see this day, a thought or two:
“Vengeance taken will often tear the heart and torment the conscience.”
Arthur Schopenhauer“The noblest vengeance is to forgive.”
Proverbs
Postscript, thanks to harpie:
DoD Statement on Khadr’s sentence
http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=14023
Exchange of Diplomatic notes on Khadr
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2010/10/31/20/dipnotes.source.prod_affiliate.56.pdf
Jury sentences ‘child soldier’ to 40 years at Guantanamo; Carol Rosenberg; 10/31/10
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/31/1901309/khadr-jury-deliberates-second.htmlv
from US Diplomatic note to Canada:
The Government of the United States proposes that were Mr. Khadr to request a transfer to Canada to serve any sentence there, the United States and Canada could implement such a transfer under the Treaty between Canada and the United States of America on the Execution of Penal Sentences (the “‘Treaty”) and existing domestic authorities….
The Government of the United States specifically understands that such transfer would result in Mr. Khadr being subject to Canadian law pertaining to detention and in Mr. Khadr being able to apply to the National Parole Board (an independent administrative tribunal operating autonomously from the Government of Canada) for parole following the completion of one-third of his sentence. The Government of the United States understands that eligibility for parole does not mean that the release will be granted; only that it will be considered.
from Canada’s Diplomatic Note to the US:
The Government of Canada shares the view of the United States that were Mr. Khadr to request a transfer to Canada to serve any part of his sentence in Canada, the United States and Canada could implement such a transfer….
The Government of Canada therefore wishes to convey that, as requested by the United States, the Government of Canada is inclined to favourably consider Mr. Khadr’s application to be transferred to Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence, or such portion of the remainder of his sentence as the National Parole Board determines, provided the aforementioned conditions are met and the Government of the United States approves Mr. Khadr’s transfer to Canada.
“Inclined to favorably consider…” “Could implement such a transfer” — Perhaps this is simply diplomatic language, but I look forward to hearing more analysis on this. Not that I trust what I hear anymore, or even what I see. But there it is, and I hope the U.S. and Canada hold to their agreement.
None of this takes away from the truth Mr. Khadr lives at this very moment, returned to solitary confinement, a form of torture, having had to endure the ignominy of a forced confession and the huzzah of blood lust from his purported victims.
Nice country, this, eh?
Final addition (really):
Omar Khadr’s Oct. 13 Plea Deal Agreement (PDF) (my bold emphasis)
I understand that this agreement permits the Military Commission to find me guilty for all offenses to which I plead guilty without the need for the government to present evidence that would prove my guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I offer to plead guilty because it will be in my best interest that the Convening Authority grants me the relief set forth in this agreement. I understand that I waive my right to a trial of the facts and to be confronted by the witnesses against me, and my right to avoid self:incrimination insofar as a plea of Guilty wilI incriminate me.
Some more interesting material there. For instance, as Carol Rosenberg notes, “Omar #Khadr’s plea bargain spelled out the only four people who could testify on his behalf at #Guantanamo sentencing hearing. Page 4 C3″.
I will not seek to offer the testimony, either in court or via VTC of any witness, other than: (I) Dr. Katherine Porterfield: (2) Dr. Steven Xenakis. (3) Captain McCarthy; and (4) Dr. Arlette Zinck, all of whom the Government has agreed to produce at U.S. Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay. Cuba for sentencing. [understand that sentencing proceedings will not be delayed to of these witnesses are unavailable.
But they certainly did not all testify. Where was Dr. Xenakis?



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With the World Series, Sunday football, nice weather in many parts of the country, and the general wish to escape from the cares of the world on a laid-back Sunday, I’m not sure how many will be interested in this story, or its liveblogging aspects.
At the very least, it is my tip of the hat to the very dedicated journalists who have been covering Guantanamo, and most recently, the Khadr trial, and the lawyers and human rights workers who have labored to bring justice to this “Battle Lab on the war on terror”, as the Ft. Huachuca commander once labeled Gitmo.
Wow, four of the “jurors” have brunch with the widow of Sgt. Speer!! What kind of justice is this again? But then, I’d suggested that the blatant anti-Muslim bias of Dr. Michael Welner should have been sufficient to have any of his psychiatric “expert” testimony disallowed from the proceedings. I suppose asking for basic fairness is really too much.
The differences between the MCs and the Article III courts could not be made any clearer. But then, in 2010 America, who really gives a shit. I’m not sure what justice has been traded away for… shiny new techno toys? the wish to just be left alone? a promise that when the police raid your neighborhood, you won’t be touched? What?
Here’s Michelle Shepard’s quick article on the initial jury proceedings today: Guantanamo jurors return briefly to court:
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Hi, Jeff,
We’ve actually been following this on Marcy’s lastest post about this subject.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/10/28/the-boys-of-war/#Respond
But the thread is getting kind of long, and I’m not sure when it will expire…OK if we come here?
[This new commenting format is confusing me, so I don't know how this will come out.]
PS: I, too found it odd that the jurors were allowed to be in the same place as the “victim” [Rosenber'g word].
Carol Rosenberg has filed a brief story on this second day of deliberations, too. At the Miami Herald:
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There were seven different types of church services being held around Guantanamo before court resumed on Sunday — from a Catholic Mass to Mormon worship to a United Jamaican Fellowship accommodating the several thousand residents, prisoners, contract workers and sailors with their families here.
Deliberations had been underway at the hilltop courthouse for less than an hour Sunday when the jury asked for a transcript of testimony earlier in the week by a senior Navy lawyer vouching for the rehabilitation potential of Khadr, who has spent a third of his life at Guantanamo. No transcript existed so the judge, Col. Patrick Parrish, had a court reporter play an audio account of Capt. Patrick McCarthy testifying by video conference from Afghanistan that 15 year olds, in my opinion, should not be held to the same standard of accountability as adults.
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Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/31/1901309/khadr-jury-deliberates-second.html#ixzz13y0I3egR
bmaz just answered that at the other thread:
Was it the same place, i.e., the same restaurant, or were they literally sitting with Mrs. Speer and sharing time over brunch? I can’t believe that no one has spilled the news within earshot of the jurors re the plea deal.
No blockquotes…ugh
…just in the same dining facility, I’m pretty sure.
Which other thread was that? And I can’t believe that it would be considered ok for a jury (and I’ve been on a jury) to go to a meal with a member of the family of a murder victim. Please, tell me one time this has occurred.
I have begun using brackets before and after quotes:
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The one I linked to just above at Marcy’s place. Here it is:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/10/28/the-boys-of-war/#Respond
I reviewed Carol’s tweet. Seems they were only in same dining room, & I agree that’s not ominous. But still, one wonders re overhearing others comments re plea deal.
In the waiting-around-what-does-one-do department:
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@shephardm Michelle Shephard
Waiting for #Khadr jury. Journos recalling bizarre past #Gitmo stories. “Mystery underwear” tale makes top 10: http://reut.rs/ae2L2T.
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I see you’ve pretty much taken up the same task as I at the EW post. Good work! I wish I’d thought to look there before beginning this. But I wonder how many in public would have gone back to see that.
Sigh. I wish Andy Worthington were there.
Maybe you already noted this at EW, but Andy’s article from yesterday, Torture Is Finally Mentioned on the Last Day of Omar Khadr’s Sentencing Hearing at Guantánamo:
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Everything about the last week’s events at Guantánamo has been deeply disturbing. On Monday, in defiance of international obligations requiring the rehabilitation of child prisoners, the US government — under President Obama — fulfilled the deepest wishes of the Bush administration, and persuaded Omar Khadr, the Canadian citizen who was just 15 years old when he was seized after a firefight in Afghanistan in July 2002, to plead guilty to charges of murder in violation of the laws of war, attempted murder, spying, conspiracy, and providing material support to terrorism, in a plea deal that apparently involves an eight-year sentence, with Khadr serving one more year at Guantánamo before being returned to Canada.
At the heart of the plea deal is a 50-point “Stipulation of Fact” (PDF), signed by Khadr and stating that he “does not have any legal defense to any of the offenses to which he is pleading guilty,” in which, despite his previous protestations to the contrary, he accepted that he threw a grenade that killed Delta Force Sgt. Christopher Speer on the day of his capture, and, moreover, that he was, at the time, an “alien unprivileged enemy belligerent,” who did not have “any legal basis to commit any war-like acts” at all….
On Friday, the defense team finally managed to mention the abusive conditions in which Khadr was held in Bagram, when one of his lawyers, Lt. Col. Jon Jackson, read out an unsworn statement by Khadr relating to an exchange he had with Joshua Claus, who, at the time, was a sergeant in the 519th Military Intelligence Battalion.
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Andy’s article includes the full text of Omar’s unsworn statement, which is all about the Claus threats.
here, trying to catch up… thanks jeff.
(karen, aka Lady Libertine in other spheres)
For those following the mystery of the little American flag that flew at the tribunal bldg at Gitmo and then disappeared, as reported by Carol Rosenberg, Carol now reports:
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@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Pentagon official: Small US flag that flew over tribunal on #Khadr deliberation day belonged to a family member of a victim of the Canadian.
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Hello, Karen/LL.
Everyone’s just waiting around now.
There’s no reply button for your comment below, so I’ll answer here, JEFF.
Thanks! I’m thrilled you’ve started this thread. I wonder how long they will deliberate.
Yes. That article is a great roundup of all the important points about this whole fiasco. Quite depressing, actually.
Andy Mayeda says that going past 7 hours deliberations, no other jury has taken this long to reach a verdict at Gitmo (of course, there haven’t been many trials there, either).
Can there be the equivalent of a hung jury, i.e., no decision can be reached?
Here’s one of my favorite bits [Worthington]:
[begin quote] He was also required to stay silent in the face of compelling evidence that these dubious-sounding war crimes to which he signed his name were not in fact war crimes at all, and were only invented by Congress in 2006, as former Guantánamo military defense attorney Lt. Col. David Frakt explained last summer. In addition, he also had to overlook the fact that, when the Commissions were revived last year, defense secretary Robert Gates added a new twist to the fictional war crimes so that, asLt. Col. Frakt explained in April this year, “a detainee may be convicted of murder in violation of the law of war even if they did not actually violate the law of war.” [end quote]
I wonder what they’ll say when they find out about the plea deal.
how could they not realize there was some kind of deal? they are not stupid. He pled guilty to two murders he wasnt even charged with? could they not know THAT?
I really think a lot of people don’t know a lot about it. I think they would have been asked if they had been following the story, no?
well, they watch TV dont they? lol. Woke up late last night and caught A Few Good Men on TV…. Nicholson: You cant handle the truth! famous line.
What will the American people say when they discover what really went down at Guantanamo? Most are tuned out, and I can tell you most — including 99.99999% of those who have covered this story — don’t know the worst of it.
Recently, Jason Leopold and I reported on the practice of using the detainees for experiments on “detection deception” and “uncontrollable stress”. There’s more, too, and we’ll be reporting it as soon as we can.
Apropos of your comment above…
why do some of the comments not have a “reply” button?
@Jeff Kaye at 1:39 – I think it is due to the number of allowed reply levels. That is, once the max number of replies has been reached, no reply button will show.
But as always, I might be an …
That sounds reasonable, I suppose. Means when I read a thread on my iphone, I don’t ever get to a thread that reads like this:
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Speaking of “A few Good Men”-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Iglesias_(attorney)
[begin quote][David Iglesias][US Attorney scandal] served on active duty in the United States Navy, and is a mobilized member of the U.S. Naval Reserve. While in the navy, from 1985 and 1988, he was a Judge Advocate (JAG), at the Pentagon and Naval Legal Service Office, in Washington, D.C., at the Washington Navy Yard. In 1986, he was one of the members of the legal team that was the inspiration for the film A Few Good Men, with Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson, a case involving the assault of a fellow Marine at their base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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At the time of his appointment to U.S. Attorney, Iglesias was an associate with the law firm of Walz and Associates in Albuquerque, as well as a Commander in the U.S. Naval Reserve JAG Corps. He is currently a Captain in the Navy JAG Corps.[end quote]
He was on the plane to Guantanamo for Khadr’s sentencing hearing, according to Rosenberg. I think he spoke for the prosecution at at least one of the other commission “trials”.
They’re running to the court.
Yes, the decision to come in just over 10 minutes now.
MS: * Running to #Gitmo courthouse. #Khadr sentence coming down soon.
CR:
* The Omar #Khadr jury has returned a sentencing verdict in slightly over 8 hours. Media scrambling to #Guantanamo war court.
CR: [quote]@bryanbroyles It was flown at request of a #Khadr victim family member. Have you seen this before when war court in session? Deliberating?[end quote]
I’m looking forward to reading that, Jeff. I missed your last diary because I couldn’t figure out this new fangled system. OY!
They didn’t HEAR it!
CR:
[]Omar #Khadr is standing. The sentence was announced but the jury wasn’t miked and we in #Guantanamo’s filing center didn’t hear it.[]
CR: []*Now the judge, who is miked, is explaining that #Khadr serve at most 8 years. And after a year US will OK his request to serve in Canada.[]
CR: []There’s absolute DISMAY in the Camp Justice filing center. The Pentagon spokeswoman says jury sentence is 40 years. He serves only eight. []
CR: []RECAP: Omar #Khadr’s military jury returned a 40-year sentence and the judge told him, out of earshot of the panel, that he will serve 8.[]
Well, he KNEW that already! That’s why he *&^&^ confessed!
Dismay!?!
Who is not human, here?
What a load of crap! Pure show trial! A caricature of justice!
Acarolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
Tabitha Speer, #Khadr’s victim’s widow cheered at the sentence. The Toronto-born war criminal looked straight ahead.
CR: []*Tabitha Speer, #Khadr’s victim’s widow cheered at the sentence. The Toronto-born war criminal looked straight ahead.[]
She should be ashamed of herself.
I am just SICK.
MS: []#Guantanamo sentence 15 more than even Pentagon prosecutors asked for in #Khadr case.[]
Michelle Shephard notes:
#Guantanamo sentence 15 more than even Pentagon prosecutors asked for in #Khadr case.
CR: []#Khadr attorney: “Omar was given a choice to plead guilty or be prosecuted in an unfair process with the possibility of a life sentence.”[]
Single cell maximum security!
CR: []He had been held in #Guantanamo’s communal camp for cooperative detainees. Now he goes into single cell, maximum security confinement.[]
back, had to run out. Glad I missed worst suspenseful parts. Disgusted….
CR: []More details from the tribunal chamber: #Khadr’s victim raised her hand in a sort of fist pump, cheered “Yes,” then burst into tears.[]
I really can’t take this anymore. I’m done.
MS QUOTE
shephardm :: The 40 year #Khadr sentence unexpected. Pentagon lawyers asked for 25. Prosecutor had said, “send a message.” I’d say they sure did that.
shame
When you’re given an order, you follow it.
We should be clear: he’s being sent to be tortured! “Single cell maximum security”? Based on what? He is no threat.
Solitary confinement is torture. From a Wired interview with psychologist Craig Haney, who has worked on this subject for a long-time:
[begin quote]
let me note that solitary confinement has historically been a part of torture protocols. It was well-documented in South Africa. It’s been used to torture prisoners of war.
There are a couple reasons why solitary confinement is typically used. One is that it’s a very painful experience. People experience isolation panic. They have a difficult time psychologically coping with the experience of being completely alone.
In addition, solitary confinement imposes conditions of social and perceptual stimulus deprivation. Often it’s the deprivation of activity, the deprivation of cognitive stimulation, that some people find to be painful and frightening.
Some of them lose their grasp of their identity. Who we are, and how we function in the world around us, is very much nested in our relation to other people. Over a long period of time, solitary confinement undermines one’s sense of self. It undermines your ability to register and regulate emotion. The appropriateness of what you’re thinking and feeling is difficult to index, because we’re so dependent on contact with others for that feedback. And for some people, it becomes a struggle to maintain sanity.
That leads to the other reason why solitary is so often a part of torture protocols. When people’s sense of themselves is placed in jeopardy, they are more malleable and easily manipulated. In a certain sense, solitary confinement is thought to enhance the effectiveness of other torture techniques.
[end quote]
Read More http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/solitaryconfinement/#ixzz13yW0Y4Ej
indeed. exactly.
the juxtaposition of this against Jon Stewarts *Rally for Sanity* is more than I can take.
I call Stewart’s action the rally for inanity, because the politics it put forward were so mushy, so lacking of content, and threw the right and left into one big bag, while saying next to nothing about the war and torture policies of this government.
Sad. A pathetic excuse for a country. A pathetic excuse for a political discussion, of which this nation basically has none.
When the historians of the future look back on this period, they will have to carry a paper bag, should they need to retch while reviewing the material.
… does she think this is the Super Bowl or something?
… does she call herself a *Christian*?
that boy of hers will grow up one day… she will have to live with the overflow of the hate she has taught those kids to live by.
Her grief and pain are very real, I dont want to disrespect that, but its all screwed up…. to focus all her bitter anger at this man-child. Dick Cheney is the one with her husbands blood on his soul. And Bush and that whole cabal.
Couple from Carol Rosenberg (http://twitter.com/#!/carolrosenberg), what the defense team is saying:
* Question to chief defense counsel Col. Colwell: Prosecution sought 25 years, jury gave 40, huh? A: “It was hard for our team to swallow.”
* Pentagon’s Chief war crimes Defense Counsel: “My confidence is very high” that #Khadr will go to Canada next year. (He’s seen the docs.)
And…
* Prosecutor Murphy: I also considered #Khadr’s age at time of killing, certainty of a conviction for victims in settling on 8-year sentence.
[considered Khadr's age??? I guess the jury would have returned life in prison otherwise...]
who’d'a guessed?
tweet QUOTE
carolrosenberg::
Tabitha Speer, widow of soldier #Khadr killed, going to speak with reporters. Prosecutor on plea: Tabitha wanted certainty of a convction.
jeff, did you see this article from a couple of days ago? its spot on.
Stalin wouldve been proud
QUOTE CR:
Tabitha Speer, widow of commando he killed: Omar #Khadr can never enter United States, get on airplane again under the #Guantanamo plea deal
END QUOTE
So Tabitha has details of the plea deal?
Jeff, just want to thank you for all your work on helping get the word out there for Khadr and sharing your relevant expertise.
Thanks, Helen.
That’s a great piece, and not least because it validates what I’ve been saying for a long time, i.e., that the torture was not about intelligence or even interrogation, per se, which is how the issue is usually spun (pro and con), but about the exploitation of prisoners for reasons of propaganda, spycraft, and experimentation. And we look at things from this perspective, we see the true nature of the state we live in, and how the government really operates.
From Tony Keller’s article at the National Post, linked by you:
[begin quote]
The original communist torture techniques, which for a time inspired the standard operating procedures at Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Guantanamo and the secret black sites, were not designed to elicit truth. They were designed to produce false confessions: That was the whole point. They were designed to force people to say what interrogators wanted to hear — yes, I am a capitalist stooge, yes I am a Trostkyite, yes I am a terrorist.
And now Guantanamo’s very first military tribunal has its first guilty verdict, thanks to those methods of coercion first perfected for the Soviet Bloc show trial. My God, what have we done? Somewhere in hell, Joseph Stalin is smiling.
[end quote]
Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/Stalin+would+have+been+proud/3737862/story.html#ixzz13z0Q6GVM
I’m sure they told her what it was, but she probably hasn’t seen it. That’s very interesting about the airplane. They don’t miss any opportunity to push the 9/11 fear angle, do they?
I rec’d your post, Jeff. I wish there was a way to rec your comments here too…
QUOTE CR:
Omar #Khadr’s plea bargain spelled out the only four people who could testify on his behalf at #Guantanamo sentencing hearing. Page 4 C3
END QUOTE
surprised the deal didnt also include him wearing horns on his head. Its halloween after all. gah.
Rosenberg has more, including a link to the PDF plea deal doc, here.
DoD Statement on Khadr’s sentence
http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=14023
Exchange of Diplomatic notes on Khadr
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2010/10/31/20/dipnotes.source.prod_affiliate.56.pdf
Jury sentences ‘child soldier’ to 40 years at Guantanamo; Carol Rosenberg; 10/31/10
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/31/1901309/khadr-jury-deliberates-second.htmlv
CR article:
[quote]Amnesty International Canada’s secretary general called the sentence the latest “fiasco” in the Khadr case.
“It comes as no surprise that the sentencing phase and this stunningly punitive jury decision has so starkly highlighted the injustices of this process,” said Alex Neve, who had been a war court observer.[end quote]
From the DoD statement:
[quote] After the military commission adjourns, the Office of Military Commissions finalizes the record of trial. The military judge and counsel from both sides then review the record to ensure it is accurate, after which it will be sent to the Convening Authority for Military Commissions. The Convening Authority may reduce, but not increase, Khadr’s sentence. He may also set aside the findings with respect to any charge. After reviewing the record, the Convening Authority will take final action on the findings and sentence, announcing the sentence that Khadr will serve. [end quote]
WTF?? Since when is it “murder” for a soldier to kill a member of a a force that has invaded and occupies his homeland? What am I missing here? This sounds like one of the most absurd legal procedings I’ve ever read about.
Thanks, Edger. Your presence here, and your nice thoughts, are more than enough.
The Omar Khadr Case: Redefining War Crimes; by Audrey Macklin, law professor at the University of Toronto; 10/31/10
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/10/31/omar-khadr-case-redefining-war-crimes
WRONG! I thought that was from today…it’s two years ago.
In re “when you are given an order” and “What kind of justice is this again?”:
I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here, but for what it’s worth it’s useful for folks to know that military trials are not the same as civilian trials. The notions many of us have about justice, impartiality, trial by peers, relative weigh and integrity of witnesses, what passes for admissible evidence, etc. just don’t pan out in military courts like we expect them to in civilians ones. My limited experience on this comes from a two-year stint in a battalion headquarters office where I was privy to info on courts martial (and not just the usual dereliction of duty stuff). What happened with Khadr is typical of what the military considers justice. So when we are considering the merits of civilian versus military legal jurisdiction in handling “enemy combatants” and what to do with other “terrorists,” the gulf between these two versions of justice might be taken into account.
“what do you expect from a jury made up of military personnel” Exactly.
Is this the legislative expression of a Christian nation?
Thanks for this update, Jeff.
[quote] George W. Bush’s term as president is coming to an end, and he has little to show by way of meting out justice for the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Perhaps this is why his administration seems so desperate to score a victory on the judicial battleground of the military commissions. That its target is Omar Khadr, a child soldier at the time of the alleged offenses, makes the spectacle all the more pathetic to the observer, and tragic for Khadr. [end quote]
OY!
Thanks, so much, harpie, for keeping at this in my absence.
See my quotes from and very brief analysis of the diplomatic exchange of notes re the U.S.-Canadian agreement on Omar Khadr.
So, it’s not over yet. Once the Convening Authority surprised everyone by calling the treatment of Al-Qhatani torture, and then dismissing charges (with prejudice though, I believe). I don’t expect any but perhaps a cosmetic lowering of the sentence by the CA.
[begin quote]
OTTAWA — Opposition Liberal and NDP MPs immediately condemned the Guantanamo military tribunal that sentenced Omar Khadr to 40 years in prison for lacking due process and called on the Canadian government to repatriate him as soon as possible and to treat him as a child soldier.
[end quote]
From Juliet O’Neill at Postmedia News
http://www.canada.com/news/Opposition+parties+demand+Khadr+repatriation/3755471/story.html
@carolrosenberg Carol Rosenberg
With Omar #Khadr’s sentencing hearing over, there’s only 1 case currently active at #Guantanamo’s war court. Noor Uthman Mohammed up Nov. 9.
— from Carol Rosenberg’s twitter feed
Ha! That essay ends with this:
[quote] Perhaps the most viable hope for Khadr is that the next US president will swiftly honor his commitment to close Guantanamo Bay and that Harper will continue to defer to his US counterpart. [end quote]
Yes…perhaps.
Thanks. Per that document:
This reminds me of old movies of the Nazi occupation of France. What the hell is wrong with out government?
A glimmer.
Thought it worth mentioning, for those who read tea leaves, the military commissions sentencing of Omar Khadr has brought nary a mention, not a diary, not even a comment today at Daily Kos. If this had all gone down under the Bush regime, there would have been recommended diaries. Who would have thought only a few years ago how pathetically indolent and compliant the entire Daily Kos crowd would have become to the signals that come from the White House?
From a 180 degree opposite perspective, it’s worth reading Cageprisoners statement on Khadr’s plea deal: Omar Khadr plea not indicative of actual guilt . It includes a very graphic photo of the seriously wounded body of 15 year old Omar Khadr, captured in the rubble of the compound where his father had sent him.
Jeff, thanks for this diary and for working extra hard to make sure people continue to pay attention.
DOD sent out a notice yesterday to media yesterday to reserve spots to cover the military commissions trial of Noor Uthman. There’s a hearing scheduled for Nov. 8 so it looks like the powers that be are moving on to the next case.
Guantanamo jury slams Khadr with symbolic 40-year sentence; Andrew Mayeda and Juliet O’Neill; 10/31/10
http://www.canada.com/news/Jury+slams+Khadr+with+symbolic+year+sentence/3755142/story.html
Omar Khadr, in quotes
http://www.canada.com/news/Omar+Khadr+quotes/3755344/story.html
Timeline: The long journey of Omar Khadr
http://www.canada.com/news/Timeline+long+journey+Omar+Khadr/3755329/story.html
And Uthman’s tribunal will be a disaster as well because it relies so heavily on statements AZ made under torture. Uthman was picked up in the “AZ safehouse” in Pakistan in March 2002.
Also remember…http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/detainees/cases/noor-uthman-muhammed.aspx
“On October 21, 2008, one of the prosecutors on his case, Lt. Col. Darrel J. Vandeveld, resigned over concerns about the ethics of military commission procedures. His resignation led to the charges against Muhammed being dropped. On December 5, 2008, however, the charges against Muhammed were renewed.”
From the first article linked above:
[quote]One of Khadr’s Canadian lawyers said justice had not been served, arguing that “fundamental principles of law and due process were long since abandoned in Omar’s case.”
“We have over 1,200 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan, and we’ve made a 15-year-old boy pay for that,” Dennis Edney told reporters.
Edney said Khadr reacted by saying he hadn’t expected to get justice from the Guantanamo system. [end quote]
What the Obama administration has done here in trying an enemy soldier is contrary to the Geneva Conventions, i.e., a war crime. And, since the Geneva Conventions are Senate ratified treaties, per Article VI they are “supreme law of the land.”
Congress is therefore duty bound to impeach him, and at some level the Dkos Obamistas know that but don’t want to face it.
lastly, I should add that the actually trial for Uthman won’t take place until February but the hearings begin in a week.
You’re welcome, Jeff; and thank you, too.
thanks Jason, and Jeff.
QUOTE from your HRF link:
On September 21st, 2010, the military commission held a hearing to consider a host of pre-trial issues, including whether it is constitutional for the commission, with its subpar procedural safeguards, to try Noor – an alien – while exempting U.S. citizens from the military commissions system. An additional pre-trial hearing is set for November 8, 2010, to decide whether the commission has jurisdiction over Noor to hear his case.
Thanks for the update on the Uthman case, Jason. The links to the AZ case make it more than usually interesting, though I even hate, on such a night as this, to talk about what is interesting or not, as I am somewhat overwhelmed by the immensity of the injustice, and its far-reaching implications — not to mention the physical and psychologically destructive effects on each and every human being locked up without hope of a real, fair tribunal, not to mention release in their lifetime.
At least some people in the world haven’t sold their souls for power. Reckoning is going to have to come from outside our country.
And harpie, thanks for the work you’ve done, both here and at EW’s blog, keeping us all up to date, as well.
“at some level the Dkos Obamistas know that but don’t want to face it.”
The thought police have chased out critical thinkers, so in total they aren’t the same crowd as was there before the election. Those that remain are either True Believers or right-wing authoritarians. The Team Blue Teabaggers are just like their Red counterparts, they lack curiosity.
They parrot the officially approved doctrine, and can totally compartmentalize contradictions; nary is there a peep from their consciences.
Thanks for highlighting that crucial part of the Uthman case, Karen.
On a separate note, DOD just sent this out regarding Khadr:
The United States Government (USG) has requested the assistance of the Canadian Government in implementing the plea arrangement the USG has made with Omar Khadr. As part of this plea agreement, Khadr has admitted his guilt for the following crimes: murder in violation of the law of war, attempted murder in violation of the law of war, conspiracy, providing material support for terrorism, and spying. The USG requested that Canada consider a request for transfer made by Khadr under existing treaty arrangements for the transfer of offenders between the two countries.
Were Khadr to be transferred, the terms of his incarceration would be subject to existing Canadian laws pertaining to custody and conditional release. The USG understands that the Canadian Government has no authority to mandate terms of Khadr’s incarceration if he were to return to Canada. These terms are determined by the National Parole Board, which is an independent administrative tribunal.
In these circumstances, the USG understands and acknowledges that Khadr would be eligible to apply for parole in Canada after serving one-third of his sentence, and may be eligible for statutory release in Canada after serving two-thirds of the time remaining after his return to Canada.
The USG has indicated the urgency with which it has raised this matter with the Canadian Government and fully understands the consequences of the application of Canadian law to Khadr’s prison terms if he is transferred to Canada, including the rules regarding eligibility for parole and statutory release.
Can a more experienced member of the community assist me on how to highlight links and make blockquotes?
Ha! That’s the $64,000 question!
Thanks, Jeff.
He is required to testify in other procedings [and be "completely truthful] [They care about the truth?-who knew?- harpie]:
From the Plea Agreement [pdf]:
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2010/10/31/20/pleabargain.source.prod_affiliate.56.pdf
[quote]
i.
While in the continued custody of the United States. submit to interviews whenever and wherever requested by United States law enforcement officials, intelligence authorities, and prosecutors. I understand the requesting parties will notify my legal counsel of the interviews. However, I waive any right I may have to my attorneys being present for the interviews. I understand I must be completely truthful during these interviews. I also agree, while in U.S. custody, to appear, cooperate, and testity truly. before any grand jury. any court. military court or hearing, military commission or any other proceeding requested by the United States Government. [end quote]
Truth like this [link@305-pdf]?
[quote]
4.
I understand that this offer. when accepted by the Convening Authority, constitutes a binding agreement. I assert that I am, in fact, guilty of the offenses to which I am offering to plead guilty, and that I have been apprised of the evidence against me and agree that the evidence could and would prove me guilty beyond a reasonable doubt ofthe offenses to which I am pleading guilty. I understand that this agreement permits the Military Commission to find me guilty for all offenses to which I plead guilty without the need for the government to present evidence that would prove my guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I offer to plead guilty because it will be in my best interest that the Convening Authority grants me the relief set forth in this agreement. I understand that I waive my right to a trial of the facts and to be confronted by the witnesses against me, and my right to avoid seJt:incrim ination insofar as a plea ofgUilty wi II incriminate me. [end quote]
Hahaha! Ok. As long as it’s not just me.
Jeff suggested [begin quote]….[end quote] for blocks.
wigwam @7:47 managed italics! How?
Thought I would post this down here as well in the event it’s missed above. FWIW, DOD sent this out a little while ago about Khadr.
The United States Government (USG) has requested the assistance of the Canadian Government in implementing the plea arrangement the USG has made with Omar Khadr. As part of this plea agreement, Khadr has admitted his guilt for the following crimes: murder in violation of the law of war, attempted murder in violation of the law of war, conspiracy, providing material support for terrorism, and spying. The USG requested that Canada consider a request for transfer made by Khadr under existing treaty arrangements for the transfer of offenders between the two countries.
Were Khadr to be transferred, the terms of his incarceration would be subject to existing Canadian laws pertaining to custody and conditional release. The USG understands that the Canadian Government has no authority to mandate terms of Khadr’s incarceration if he were to return to Canada. These terms are determined by the National Parole Board, which is an independent administrative tribunal.
In these circumstances, the USG understands and acknowledges that Khadr would be eligible to apply for parole in Canada after serving one-third of his sentence, and may be eligible for statutory release in Canada after serving two-thirds of the time remaining after his return to Canada.
The USG has indicated the urgency with which it has raised this matter with the Canadian Government and fully understands the consequences of the application of Canadian law to Khadr’s prison terms if he is transferred to Canada, including the rules regarding eligibility for parole and statutory release.
will try that. Thanks Harpie
Thanks, karen. It’s really hard to know where/when people are commenting…still getting used to this system. I appreciate your support here and in the other thread.
Edney says the same thing in this article linked:
http://www.canada.com/news/Jury+slams+Khadr+with+symbolic+year+sentence/3755142/story.html
[quote] One of Khadr’s Canadian lawyers said justice had not been served, arguing that “fundamental principles of law and due process were long since abandoned in Omar’s case.”
“We have over 1,200 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan, and we’ve made a 15-year-old boy pay for that,” Dennis Edney told reporters.
Edney said Khadr reacted by saying he hadn’t expected to get justice from the Guantanamo system. [end quote]
Thank you for all of this Jeff .. I believe it is time we here in Canada get involved more directly .. our current government is Right wing and merely a tail to the American dog .. makes me sad and angry
Thanks again, Jason.
Here’s the link to the DoD release:
http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=14024
Sounds like DoD is signaling that they expect Khadr to be paroled after about four to five years after the return to Canada. If Khadr is transferred in a year, then he can hope for release when he is 28 or 29 years old. — Meanwhile, many in Canada believe he should be released much sooner.
Interesting that the two diplomatic notes do not carry an individual’s signature, but only note they come from “Department of State” and the “Canadian Embassy”. Is this how diplomatic notes are usually signed? Anyone out there know that?
I left a short essay at the other thread, and thought I’s link to it instead of doing it over, for anyone who’s interested:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/10/28/the-boys-of-war/#comment-261971
Good night, all.
Thanks for that Harpie and for your work too in keeping this front and center. Your research is very valuable.
This will make the brain dead christians happy that on Sunday, the lords day,a Muslim was tortured some more and pour another cup of tea for the usa.
But EVERYTHING the government said from 9-12 on was nothing but unvarnished truth. This builds up that lie.
Thanks Jeff.
I apologize for totally misinterpreting this tweet.
My thanks to the jurnos who have the stomach to chronicle the proceedings of this kangaroo court. The crimes against this “defendant” have been committed in our name and at our expense. Tomorrow’s so called elections will change nothing.
SCAPEGOAT [Wikipedia]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
basic html coding should work. Use the brackets and the cue codes.
b = bold and i = italic and the word *blockquote* inside the brackets and you have to (right slash) end the blockquote.
Heres a link to a cheatsheet for ya.
still no preview so I hope this works…lol.
Well, actually, the article IS relavant, since the charges are EXACTLY the charges from 2007 [from the plea agreement Jeff links to above]:
[quote] 2. Understanding the above and under the conditions set forth below, and in consideration ofthis agreement by the Convening Authority to approve a sentence in accord with the limitations set forth in this agreement, ( offer and agree to:
a. Plead Guilty to all charges and specifications.
b. Admit I knowingly and intentionally committed each of the acts set forth in each charge and specification referred on 24 April 2007. 1 understand, as explained to me by my defense counsel. that my admission of committing these acts constitutes a sufficient basis, under United States law, for me to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to ~afore.mentionedl/ charges and specifications. [end quote]
what now for Omar?
Thanks, Karen. Thought html for blockquoting doesn’t seem to work.
Thanks, again, harpie. I hadn’t read the social work reports on Omar Khadr. They are heart-breaking. But also inspiring, as reports on prisoners sometimes are, when the spirit of the person remains unbroken, and alive still to change and life itself.
All this made more piquant by the truth of taking an incident of war and turning into a crime scene, with the U.S. stirring up all the passions inherent therein.
Day one in solitary.
“A Child’s Soul is Sacred”: Omar Khadr’s Touching Exchange of Letters with Canadian Professor; Andy Worthington; 11/1/10
http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/11/01/a-childs-soul-is-sacred-omar-khadrs-touching-exchange-of-letters-with-canadian-professor/
Andy Worthington has posted his take on the Khadr verdict:
Omar Khadr Jury Hammers the Final Nail Into the Coffin of American Justice
[begin quote]
In other words, then, a former child prisoner, who should have been rehabilitated rather than punished, because the responsibility for his actions lay with his militant father, was convicted on war crimes charges that were invented by Congress and were then reworked by the Obama administration so that the glaring contradiction between real war crimes and invented war crimes could be papered over with a veneer of legitimacy.
Small wonder then that, in the “Statement of Fact” that Khadr signed as part of his plea deal, he was also obliged to waive his right to appeal, in a passage that stated that he “does not have any legal defense to any of the offenses to which he is pleading guilty.”
With such grotesque distortions of justice taking place over the last week, it is easy to forget that the judge, Army Col. Patrick Parrish, had also prevented Khadr’s lawyers from drawing on their client’s well-chronicled reports of his torture and abuse in US custody.
[end quote]
Thanks Jeff. As always. Been waiting since the verdict to catch up with your posts especially. I have always said this is about revenge. Bloodthirsty refenge. The wife’s behaviour was reported on the radio news briefs — so incredibly disgusting.
IANAL, but perhaps their is a nanoshred of hope that *some* of the illegalities embodied in this plea agreement can be struck down. Even when 2 parties agree in civil law, the contract cannot ligitimize illegal clauses. Oh. well.
This boy/man will shame them all in the end, I do think.
Man, that is some very *bad* spelling there … sorry!