On Christmas Eve, the Washington Post published an op-ed by forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner, “What I really said about radical jihadism.” Dr. Welner achieved some notoriety for his testimony in the sentencing phase of the trial of fomer child soldier and Guantanamo prisoner, Omar Khadr. Mr. Khadr was the first former child soldier tried for war crimes by the United States in living memory. Sentenced to forty years in prison, due to a stipulation that was part of a plea bargain that garnered a confession from the formerly tortured Khadr, his sentence has been reduced to eight years, some at Guantanamo, where he remains imprisoned in solitary confinement, and some in Canada, upon a presumed repatriation at some point in the future.
As I pointed out at the time, even before he testified, Dr. Welner was telling Steven Edwards of the Canadian National Post that the young Khadr had failed to “publicly repudiat[e] al Qaida, as civilized Muslims should.” Nor was Dr. Welner above a sly comparison of the young Omar Khadr, who has spent his entire brief adulthood in U.S. custody, with America’s arch enemy (and former ally) Osama bin Laden.
“When one leaps to the conclusion about Omar Khadr’s future because he is friendly, one might recall that Osama bin Laden has always been described as gentle, likeable and charming,” New York-based Welner told Postmedia News.
The “Context” of “Radical Jihadism”
In a December 5 op-ed, also for the Washington Post, “Radical jihadism is not a mental disorder,” retired Brigadier General (and child and adolescent psychiatrist) Stephen N. Xenakis, critiqued Welner’s testimony at trial. Xenakis himself was a member of the Khadr defense team, and spent approximately 200 hours in clinical meetings with Mr. Khadr. While he was on the witness list for the sentencing phase of the military commissions trial, Dr. Xenakis never testified. (Andrea Prasow’s theory for the failure to testify, posted at The Jurist, strikes me as more likely than Xenakis’s own statement that the defense thought Omar Khadr’s own testimony more powerful than that of his mental health witnesses.)
In his op-ed, Dr. Xenakis wrote:
“In my professional opinion, Omar Khadr is at a high risk of dangerousness as a radical jihadist,” Welner said. Based on hundreds of hours of reviewing records and interviewing witnesses, and 7 to 8 hours of examining the prisoner, the doctor said he concluded that Khadr was a radical jihadist who was at risk of inspiring others to violent acts in the future.
Dr. Welner was nonplussed, replying that Xenakis had “mischaracterized” his testimony. “Assessing risk of dangerous jihadist activity borrows from clinical understandings about criminal and violent recidivism,” Welner wrote, “but it must reflect the context of actual jihadist violence or an individual’s ability to facilitate that violence.” He added that his risk assessment on Mr. Khadr relied upon “statistical base rates” and cited a recent report from the director of national intelligence which noted that “the figures of released Guantanamo detainees who return to active battle have climbed sharply from just 6 percent in 2008 to 25 percent.”
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
Now, Dr. Welner never bothers to mention that at the time of trial, the latest figures on recidivism from Guantanamo detainees was around 5%, as reported by the Department of Defense, as was finally conceded by the New York Times in an article in June 2009, after considerable controversy about over-reporting recidivism statistics. The Times noted that discrepancies which led them to report the figure as a higher 1-in-7 recidivism rate were due to adding in those detainees identified as “suspected of engaging in terrorism.” (See also this May 2009 article by Lara Jakes in USA Today, which directly reports the Pentagon as giving a 5 percent recidivism rate.)
But even the latter figure is extremely questionable, as an earlier report by Professor Mark Denbeaux, attorneys Joshua Denbeaux and R.David Gratz, and researchers from the Seton Hall Law Center for Policy and Research proved in a scholarly examination of government recidivism claims published last year. The Seton Hall report demonstrates shoddy record-keeping by the Pentagon (at least two reported recidivist “terrorists” were never even at Guantanamo; some of those released took up arms against Morocco, Russia, and Turkey, but not the United States). More egregiously, former detainees are described as “returning to the fight” solely because they engaged in “anti-U.S. propaganda.”
Many of the same problems occur in the report, “Summary of the Reengagement of Detainees Formerly Held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba” (PDF), released earlier this month. The report claims that of the released detainees, “[t]he Intelligence Community assesses that 81 (13.5 percent) are confirmed and 69 (11.5 percent) are suspected of reengaging in terrorist or insurgent activities after transfer.” Suspicion of terrorist activities doesn’t rely anymore on engagement in “anti-U.S. propaganda,” but is predicated upon “[p]lausible but unverified or single-source reporting” (emphasis added).
In a press release following the Pentagon’s latest release on “recidivism” figures for former Guantanamo detainees, Center for Constitutional Rights commented, the government “persists in using the language of ‘re-engagement’ to describe individuals, despite the fact that the majority of them should never have been detained in the first place and were known early on by the government to be innocent. It is not possible to return to the battlefield if you were never there in the first place.” Furthermore, “the latest report only summarizes its figures without actually naming any alleged recidivists or including any information that would enable meaningful scrutiny.”
Whatever the actual figures, and the Pentagon is hardly a trustworthy source, Dr. Welner doesn’t bother to mention that the “confirmed” figure is actually around 13 percent, not the 25 percent he cites. Of course, if Welner were honest, he would admit that he didn’t have any such figures at the time of his evaluation, and that the only figures then open to him were those of the approximately 5 percent reported earlier.
In addition, as a psychiatric professional, Dr. Welner must know that extrapolation of dangerousness from “clinical understandings about criminal and violent recidivism” about which he is familiar, i.e., an American population, on a population largely culturally different is extremely problematic. For instance, norms on psychological tests refer to specific populations, and one would never think of administering, for instance, a recent journal article states that use of the Psychopathy Checklist, widely used to predict violent and non-violent recidivism, is based on of Anglo-American samples, and its generalizability “beyond these groups… is still in question and requires further research.” But it is just for this reason that Dr. Welner relied so heavily upon the work of Danish correctional psychologist Nicolai Sennels, “precisely because Sennels has studied and treated large-scale groups of young Muslim and non-Muslim inmates.”
Racist Psychology
In his op-ed, Dr. Xenakis wrote:
As the defense explained during cross-examination, Sennels is also known for inflammatory views on Islam, having claimed that “massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1,400 years may have done catastrophic damage to their gene pool.” Sennels has described the Koran as “a criminal book that forces people to do criminal things.” Welner specifically repudiated these views in court.
But in this duel of op-eds, Dr. Welner went further, defending Sennels as a professional “lauded by the Danish Psychological Association.” That Sennels “has now become a foe of unregulated Muslim immigration to Europe,” Welner wrote, “does not negate what he learned from giving of himself to help Muslims stay out of prison.”
Sennels is a racist ideologue, who uses psychological jargon to argue for the ejection of Muslims from Europe. He spews his views, based upon his work as a social worker and psychologist working with “antisocial individuals.” Despite the fact that he admits, “I did not keep statistics of any kind,” he believes he has enough evidence to conclude that “very few Muslims have the will, social freedom and strength of personality” to be integrated into European society.
Sennels continues. “Many young Muslims become assailants,” he writes. “This is not just because of the Muslim cultural acceptance of aggression, but also because the Muslim honor mentality makes them into fragile, insecure men. Instead of being flexible and humorous they become stiff and develop fragile, glass-like, narcissistic personalities.” And from this, the Danish psychologist, “lauded by the Danish Psychological Association,” and Dr. Welner, concludes that the presence of Muslim populations in many Western countries means “the possibility that violent conflict will happen in Western cities all over the world is very great.” His solution: “draconian measures”; “shutting down Muslim immigration;” “tightening the thumb screws on integration”; “and perhaps even sending Muslims who proved themselves unable to adjust to our Western secular laws back to their countries of origin.”
Any data stemming from the work of Nicolai Sennels is irretrievably biased and unusable. It is to the ever-lasting detriment of the U.S. armed forces that they used an expert who relied upon unscientific approaches and racist ideology to testify on the dangerousness of a Guantanamo prisoner.
Predicting Dangerousness Has “Very Low Reliability”
Dr. Welner certainly sounds on the defensive in his article. He cites a previous Supreme Court decision, Estelle v. Smith (1981), and says that since that decision “forensic psychiatry has refined such dangerousness evaluation to focus on context.” Welner has reason to be defensive. For one thing, Estelle v. Smith concerned the throwing out of such a dangerousness evaluation because the defendant’s rights had been violated. The irony of this is not lost on those of us who have castigated the military commissions and the entire “war on terror” detainee policy as being outside the law. Additionally, the case includes this notable aside:
…some in the psychiatric community are of the view that clinical predictions as to whether a person would or would not commit violent acts in the future are “fundamentally of very low reliability,” and that psychiatrists possess no special qualifications for making such forecasts. See Report of the American Psychiatric Association Task Force on Clinical Aspects of the Violent Individual 23-30, 33 (1974); A Stone, Mental Health and Law: A System in Transition 27-36 (1975); Brief for American Psychiatric Association as Amicus Curiae 11-17.
In a widely-cited 1994 essay, “The Dimensions of Dangerousness Revisited: Assessing Forensic Predictions About Violence” in Law and Human Behavior, sociologist Robert Menzies and colleagues, concluded that while some forensic clinicians “were able to predict some people, under limited temporal and contextual conditions, some of the time, under no circumstances could even the most encouraging performances be mustered as an argument for clinical or psychometric involvement in the identification of potentially violent clinical or correctional subjects.” A later 2000 study on sexual predator evaluations and evidentiary reliability concluded there is a “large and consistent body of empirical evidence indicates that the standards of the profession include no ability to accurately predict dangerous behavior” (emphasis added).
That’s not the kind of evidence that Dr. Welner would wish to enter into the record. Meanwhile, Omar Khadr, victimized more ways than one would care to count, now resides in the “fortress-like” maximum security prison, called Camp 5 at Guantanamo, where he endures near-24 hour solitary confinement, which as an article on isolation in the case of purported Wikileaks whistleblower Bradley Manning recently describes, is a pernicious form of torture.



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Dr. Jeff,
Many thanks for your fine work.
As you know, out of any sufficiently large group of violent offenders, one might reliably predict that a certain percentage of them will re-offend, but it’s impossible to accurately predict which ones will re-offend. Anyone who claims otherwise is a charlatan. Welner is all that and more because his guesses are cloaked in professional jargon and his mistakes cause terrible consequences. He is a professional whore without morals, ethics, integrity, or even a trace of basic decency.
As far as I’m concerned, any experienced prosecutor knows he’s a whore and is no better than he is, if he or she pays him money to put on a suit and tie, go into court, and commit perjury calling it science.
I’ve run into assholes like him in death penalty cases. I have a sadistic side to my Scorpio Rising personality and I let it out to romp and play in court when I cross-examined people like him. The more you look into his past, the more ammunition you’ll find. I can see that you’re already doing that. If you haven’t done it already, make sure you double check everything in his CV and academic background. For example, I once encountered a forensic expert formerly of Scotland Yard’s esteemed crime lab who claimed to have a masters degree in serology from an esteemed institution of higher learning in England that turned out to be a degree in nutrition from the American equivalent of a high school. He paid $25 to a company in New York City to issue him a paper U.S. Masters Degree Equivalency based on his description of his educational background. Needless to say, I had a grand old time ripping him apart. Oh, and I almost forgot. His forensic background at Scotland Yard was working as basically a part-time janitor.
Welner appears to be cut from the same cloth. Don’t ever give up. Keep digging and happy hunting.
Recommended.
BTW, he probably made up most of the papers he claims to have written, or substituted his name as the lead author, or misrepresented the publication as a peer reviewed professional journal. He may not even understand what peer reviewed means.
He may not have attended the school he claims to have attended, or if he did, he may not have graduated. He may not have majored in the subject he claims to have majored in and he may not have taken the classes he claims to have taken or earned the grades he claims to have earned.
He may not be a member of any of the professional organizations that he claims to belong to.
Rule: Don’t believe anything they say. Check and double check everything.
At one time or another, I have discovered all of these kinds of discrepancies and lies in self-described forensic expert’s CVs.
That’s good advice, though I haven’t anything — besides his reliance on the notorious Nicolai Sennels — that labels him as dishonest (though that is quite enough).
On the other hand, his absurd and pseudo-scientific “Depravity Scale” project is something I briefly touched on in my first article on him.
I don’t foresee writing more about Welner, as I expect he will disappear back into his professional limbo, and I have no taste for personal vendettas. But then you never know. He appears to have an appetite for being a government spokesperson and available psych “expert,” so looking even farther into his background might not be a bad idea. He likely will be called upon to testify in further MC trials.
You probably already have this, but I’ll put it here anyway..
From the Stand Down Texas Project, on his input at the Andrea Yeates trial…
Nice little business he’s got there.. Reminds me of Rand Paul’s alternative credentialing board: The National Board of Ophthalmology (for self-certification) as apposed to the American Board of Ophthalmology.
Thanks. No I didn’t have that. Mason proves to be prophetic!
He was an “expert witness” in the recent David Mitchell’s trial, the kidnapper of Elizabeth Smart.
Perhaps s/he should have ask him to define standards?
You don’t have a taste for vendetta’s Jeff, but this guy shouldn’t even be an expert witness, let alone a well paid one. Perhaps the lawyer from this case and you could bump yur noggins together and collaborate?
I should’ve grabbed this.. it’s at the beginning of my previous quote
And this is after the quote:
In light of this statement, this quote from Stand Down Texas makes sense:
He wouldn’t be in jail if he weren’t guilty, and Khadr wouldn’t be in GTMO if he wasn’t a terrorist. See? So no harm done.
If you people want to help the terrorists then just keep on doing what you’re doing.
The two men most responsible for the lack of progress in the Israeli/Palestinian situation and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are Robert Baer (CIA Middle East operations officer 1976-1997) and Paul Wolfowitz (Deputy Secretary of Defense 2001-2006, President of the World Bank 2005-2007, AEI fellow 2007- ). A few years in Guantanamo for these two guys might be helpful to all of us. Hope that helps you tinman. Peace
Kangaroo court, indeed.
note: Andrea Yate’s original conviction was overturned because yet another Forensic Psychiatrist; Park Dietz lied in his testimony at trial
All young men and women in their mid-teen years who do “bad” things should be thrown into jail…forever…and never, ever be given a chance to see the light of day…even when their brains fully form…around 23 or so. Throw away the key. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Should have said boys and girls..
Himmler would have been proud of these twisted Fucks.
They tried that on millions of young men in the 60′s. They called it the military draft. Unfortunately, for them it didn’t take on everybody. Peace
What do you suppose that they read to reach the conclusions that they come to? Peace
Cowardly bombing civilians on almost a daily basis with unmanned drones is terrorism.
If the U.S. government did to me what they did to these detainees, you bet I would engage in anti-government propaganda.
The signature on their paychecks.
Or what they did and continue to do to their countries.
Dya think. I’m surprised the recidivism rate is so low. I would be a lot more militant that just engage in anti-govt propaganda if I were treated that way.
“even though people who participate in blind peer reviews get compensated”
What is Welner talking about? Most reviewers or referees do not get paid, and they certainly are almost always anonymous. I was a reviewer for some years for a psychological journal. It involves some time, which is donated. The assurance of anonymity discourages the kinds of cronyism that a panel that knows each other can encourage, not to mention the bias that results if an author pays his reviewers.
Welner must think us all fools, if we would accept such crap.
I don’t know. They managed to kill over 700 UN troops last year in Afghanistan. Most of them Americans. There goal is 1000 in 2011. Isn’t it about time for President Shameful to suit up and take his chances on the front line? Peace
Very good. They clearly haven’t read much of anything else or the decisions that they make would be much better. Peace
I think this is the point CCR was getting at, when commenting on the Clapper report, they noted that “the majority of… [the detainees] should never have been detained in the first place and were known early on by the government to be innocent. It is not possible to return to the battlefield if you were never there in the first place.”
As a psychologist, and a past viewer of films like Dirty Harry and Jody Foster’s The Brave One, and a hundred other “revenge” movies Hollywood spits out, I’d say that when an innocent person is subjected to multiple indignities, to torture, has years of their life stripped away, and left with a lifetime of PTSD suffering, that yes, some percentage of such individuals will want revenge, and take it by adhering to a group who seeks to attack the entity that wronged them to begin with. In fact, 5-10% or so would be a good guess of how many.
This is not to downplay the fact that some have returned to countries, esp. Afghanistan, where they perceive their country as under invasion. Why the U.S., and much of the docile press, still persists in labeling such individuals as “terrorists” is beyond me. And I say this while not in the least politically supporting any such group.
The U.S. rulers are not brave enough themselves to say what they are really doing… attempting to conquer another country, as they did (in a still wobbly fashion) in Iraq. We should take note of such cowardice, as it reflects their fear (still) of their own people, lest they truly understand what evil their leaders perpetrate.
Exposing and telling the truth about a liar-for-hire lessens the possibility he can be used to destroy others in the future because everybody will know who and what he is.
Khadr, btw, for those who don’t know, is being persecuted because of his family. The neocons call them “Canada’s first family of terrorism.” I won’t link, but you can google it if you want. Most of what comes up on google is stuff written by neocons, so I don’t know about the validity of what they allege. But, anyhow, that’s the background.
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Thanks, professor, much obliged.
Smells like a PSYOP to me.
Taking stock, we got evidence manufactured to order (from Khadr by torture; from Welner by payola), fake experts with hidden conflicts of interest (as in the paying of pundits covertly to catapult propaganda), and it’s all in a “sentence first, verdict later (if ever)” fraud upon the courts.
Greenwald has been on about that last part for some time now.
The outcome from which they work backwards is full-spectrum dominance. And when the Pentagon says things like “full-spectrum,” they mean us, too.
Joint Vision 2020 Emphasizes Full-spectrum Dominance
Whence the many perversions of our political economy? It’s the mythology of full-spectrum dominance, the insane idea that the US can machine the whole world under its mechanical thumbs forever and ever amen. We’ve got to look into the backgrounds of the worldviews of the people who are making our lives a living hell.
Dr. Welner, meet Dr. Mengele.
Gosh, and all this time I thought we were just trying to bring them the blessings of democracy.
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Good point. Obviously, I’m not letting Welner off the hook, and I think that was the point, too, of Xenakis’s column. Unfortunately, there’s probably more hired guns to fill his shoes. Our job is to keep them all honest, or work for a system that doesn’t turn to such blatant ideologues.
As my younger Brother would say, “Right on the nuts.”
Jeff, you might want to check on Welner and his depravity scale with Brent Turvey or Wayne Petherick, both of whom have standing in the forensics field at the academic and field levels.
It’s also a good idea to embarrass the assholes that hire them by exposing them in your writings and humiliating them in public.
Plus, the Welners, Mitchells, and Jessens of the world are actually hurting you and every other licensed mental health professional by what they do. In the interest of protecting the honor of your profession, not to mention protecting their future victims, all of them should be rooted out and exposed for the frauds that they are whenever an opportunity presents itself.
Contact others who have dealt with them and collect all relevant impeachment materials and store them in a well organized by impeachment subject matter and tabbed file, including investigation reports, papers they’ve written, and transcripts of testimony under oath. Share it so that they are confronted every time they testify in court or appear in public at a meeting or professional conference.
Learn to speak soundbite:
We shall identify, humiliate, and excoriate the frauds in our (i.e., your) profession in service to our sacred duty to the public and our future patients.
I used to do this with dirty forensic scientists when I practiced law. I had many opportunities to do this as a co-chair of the Forensic Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and NACDL’s Go-To guy for all inquiries from lawyers and members of the press and public located west of the Mississippi about DNA testing. My only regret for all of the time and money that I spent doing that is that I wasn’t more effective in rooting out systemic fraud. I’d do it all again, if I had the chance.
If you don’t have the time to do it, please consider finding someone else who does, because you’re right. If you don’t burn Welner and others like him, the government will continue to use them to destroy more lives. Because of your training and experience as a psychotherapist and position as a journalist and influential blogger, you probably can do more to expose these frauds than anyone else.
Jeffrey,
Come on, now. Burning Welner so that he can’t hurt anyone else is not about vendetta; it’s about duty.
I’m not criticizing because I’ve been through all of the mental equivocation games and was very good at coming up with 1,001 reasons not to do something I knew deep down inside that I had to do. You didn’t choose this responsibility, but there it is right in your lap, so to speak.
In the TV parlance of yesterday,
“What you gonna do when they come for you, bad boy?”
I don’t have any doubt that you know the answer.
Why?
Because I know principles matter to you. You reveal that in all that you write. It literally shouts off the page. That’s why I like, respect, and admire you.
So kick the scumbag’s ass. It’s not like he doesn’t deserve it.
If not you, whom?
If not now, when?
I’m not the least bit surprised that I was right because I’ve been down this particular nasty road so very very many times before. I wasn’t guessing; just recognizing patterns.
Not to mention that real peer reviews are double-blind. The reviewer does not know who the author is, and vice versa. You can guess, but in 90 percent of the cases, unless the paper was given publicly or pre-circulated, you never know whom you are refereeing.
I promise to keep an eye on Welner’s public doings. There couldn’t be a more deserving object of scrutiny.
By the way, I think I’ll contact the Danish Psych Assn and see if what he claims they say about N. Sennels is true.
Just an aside, but forensic crime labs also regularly abuse the notion of peer review. For example, an analyst will get a particular result and show it to his/her boss, who typically reads the one-page conclusory report, asks a few perfunctory questions, and signs off on the conclusion. Once in awhile, another analyst will do the same thing. Rarely are the benchnotes reviewed. That’s professional peer review, forensic criminalist style.
Oh, and unlike clinical laboratories, proficiency testing at forensic crime laboratories isn’t mandatory or blind and they never retest to determine if they can reproduce their results. Since reproducibility of results is the heart of the scientific tradition, one could say that forensic crime lab reports are not even scientific.
Is there any wonder that every couple of months we hear about yet another dirty forensic scientist or crime lab exposed? Does the Houston crime lab ring any bells? How about the FBI Crime Lab’s misidentification of a Portland lawyer as the source of a questioned fingerprint on some packaging material for a bomb that blew up a train station in Madrid?
Believe me: Dirty forensic experts is a horrific nationwide problem. I could regale y’all for hours with stories from my personal experience and my colleagues’s experience. Perhaps, I’ll leave for another time or a book or something.
That’s enough about me. Let’s get back to Jeff.
Go back to sleep, T-man.
tinman, have you ever had an original thought in your head, ever in your life?
It really doesn’t seem so, considering your factless, unsupported comments
Do you just regurgitate whatever it is that’s spewed out in the nonsensical stream of consciousness lie-o-tainment otherwise known as Fox News and/or that s*** for brains Rush?
Do you have any critical thinking skills whatsoever? It must be very liberating
Can I try it?
All Irish Catholics are terrorists because the IRA was a terrorist organization
All Italians are in the mafia because some Italians were in the mafia
All white southerners are in the KKK, and racist, because some white southerners were in the KKK and racist
Get the rhetorical point?
I’m not acquainted with Petherick, but I know Brent Turvey personally and employed him as a consulting expert on profiling serial killers in a death-penalty case that I tried in Tacoma, WA in 1996 or 7. State of Washington vs. Guy Rasmussen. I like Brent. He used to have a website and probably still does.
I should have added that I predict Brent will snort out loud, if not cry, if you contact him and tell him about the Depravity Scale.
What a bunch of bullshit!
Dr. Welner’s expectation of what Omar Khadr should do, as a “civilized Muslim”, seems wholly uninformed by the criminal mistreatment meted out to him by a country claiming to be the world’s most civilized. Self-knowledge and knowledge of those he “analyzes” seems to be information Dr. Welner lacks. How then could he provide informed testimony about Khadr’s personality?
The comment attributed to Gandhi continues to ring true: When asked what he thought about Western civilization, he is reputed to have said, “I think it would be a good idea.”
I believe T-Man is a drive-by lurker and snarker. He can be relied upon to read everything and post an utterly outrageous and indefensible comment that he never attempts to defend. And then he speeds away to return yet another day and do it again.
I don’t think he’d keep doing that if he were a troll, so I assume he’s a hilarious snarker hitman.
I’ll check them out. If you saw it, I linked in my last article on Welner to a 2008 article by James Kroll debunking the whole scientific examination of “evil” project, exemplified by Welner’s “Depravity Scale”.
Hey, though, one wonders where, say, Dick Cheney would register on Mickey’s Depravity Scale?
Readers, this post seems worth checking out, as FDL is trying to get $$ support for new political writers. A worthy cause.
Good idea.
I wish you’d write some of these points up as a diary. I know that it’s not a substantive enough way to fully state a case, but it can bring greater public attention, and can whet your appetite for greater, more far-reaching work.
Thanks very much for your comments here. I’m sure they are as interesting to most as the original post itself, if not more so.
I read Dr. Kroll’s article and I agree that,
“Evil can never be scientifically defined because it is an illusory moral concept, it does not exist in nature, and its origins and connotations are inextricably linked to religion and mythology. The term evil is very unlikely to escape religious and unscientific biases that reach back over the millennia. Any attempt to study violent or deviant behavior under this rubric will be fraught with bias and moralistic judgments. Embracing the term evil as though it were a legitimate scientific concept will contribute to the stigma of mental illness, diminish the credibility of forensic psychiatry, and corrupt forensic treatment efforts.”
I have represented many killers, serial killers, and an Aryan white supremacist terrorist. Among the serial killers whom I’ve represented is Gary Ridgway, who pled guilty to the premeditated murder of 48 women in exchange for a life without parole sentence. Approximately half of his victims were between the ages of 14 and 18 and therefore children. All of his victims were prostitutes.
Gary is the most prolific convicted serial killer in our nation’s history and one of the most nondescript men I’ve ever met. He is as plain as vanilla and nothing about him suggests that he would even harm a fly, let alone another human being. I don’t call him, or any of my other clients, evil. But I define evil as acts that display total selfishness and absence of empathy. Therefore, a person can commit evil acts but not be evil. Here’s the kicker: no adult on the planet can truthfully say that they never committed an evil act and that’s because good and evil are opposite sides of the same coin, that is, a coin that consists of acts and their accompanying mental state. We are whatever we are, and whatever that is, we commit good and evil acts. That’s the nature of what we are. It’s the human condition.
As Dr. Kroll noted, we’re slowly trending in the direction of discovering an organic cause to violent criminal behavior. I’m very familiar with Dr. Daniel Amen’s work with brain imaging, for example, and what he calls the “Ring of Fire,” which is impaired functioning to the temporal lobes, pre-frontal cortex, and the part of the brain responsible for obsessive compulsive behavior (can’t recall the name). Basically, someone extremely overreacts to a relatively minor insult of some sort by losing their temper (temporal lobe impairment), obsesses on the anger and can’t change focus (the part of the brain that I can’t remember), and can’t reason with themselves to avoid violence (impaired pre-frontal cortex). Result: violent assaults and murders that people describe as evil behavior. At some point, I think he found something like 80% of a prison population of violent offenders that he brain scanned had the ring of fire.
You have to wonder about Welner because he obviously realized that he could make a fortune by making himself available to service the ambitious and bloodthirsty needs of prosecutors to kill people or lock them up forever by jerry-rigging up a system that supposedly objectively predicts future dangerousness to a high degree of accuracy by quantifying evil. Hence, the Depravity Scale.
Mumbo jumbo by any other name is still mumbo jumbo. He’s an idiot if he doesn’t know better and, dare I say it, he’s probably an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The sumbitch is flat out fucking evil because he’s figured out a way not only to kill people and destroy lives legally, but also to make money doing it!
Yes, I’m making a moral judgment, but that’s what evil is. And no, he isn’t evil. He just commits a lot of evil acts and probably further damages his karmic destiny by believing his own bullshit.
BTW, did you know that the committee that’s writing the new DSM-V has decided to eliminate 5 personality disorders, including the narcissistic personality disorder? I wonder if they did that because narcissism is the new normal, or is it just that they believe personality disorders, like evil, are incapable of objective quantification and definition and, therefore, should be abandoned? It’s probably the latter, so I wonder if the committee has said anything on the record about the issues of evil and the possibility of quantifying it with depravity scales?
Do you know anyone on the committee?
Dicky and Mickey up in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G . . .
Never mind.
Great answer!
I have probably I think made my name dysfunctional, cause of saying things too wide of the mark, and so on… Here is what I want to say to you, Dr Kaye: I know it sounds bad, but when you talk about people from that far far… place… that is any of the stans… ( Afganistan… ) I think that it is a distancing divice.
A device to make… distance… to make a distance. To make a way to kill, and to make a way to say… it is far away far far away…
Dr Kaye: sorry, I was just playing with words, playing with ideas, and etc.
Funny that. Desmond Tutu doesn’t believe in evil either. He says its an aberration.
I found Dr. Welner’s testimony offensive but he, at least, recommended some type of rehabilitation, although it was different from the treatment recommended by Dr. Xenakis, the Defence psychiatrist. According to the plea bargain, Khadr will be released in 8 years, probably in Canada, and possibly sooner because of Canada’s rules on parole, if both governments live up to the deal.
Khadr obviously should be treated in some way that will make it most likely he can be safely released. Instead, government officials have decided to place Khadr in solitary confinement and there is, apparently, no plan for rehabilitation or treatment of any kind.
Khadr’s Canadian lawyer, who has been assisting him for years free of charge, says they have even taken away a small box of his personal souvenirs and he has no idea whether Khadr will be able to continue receiving letters from a Canadian teacher who has been helping him with his education. I wondered if, during the time he’s not in solitary, officials plan to have him in contact with the other 3 or so “convicted” prisoners in that part of Gtmo, including the Al Qaeda propagandist.
Wilner is a saint compared to these monsters.
I don’t know anyone on the DSM committee. The last person I knew involved in that kind of work died some years ago.
I’m not sure what I think about the brain scan work, or Dr. Amen. There are too many variables I’d want to know about before I accept “the ring of fire” hypothesis. Nevertheless, I believe you are generally right, esp. about the frontal lobes. But the different parts of the brain are highly interconnected (parts of the rising reticular system even reaching into the front lobes), and others less well understood, or only becoming more understood (the cerebellum, for instance).
I always try to think of human beings in their full organismic aspect, and in dynamic interaction with their environment.
I had not been aware that Dr. Welner recommended any kind of “rehabilitation.” I’d be curious to know what that is and where you read it, esp. if you have a link.
I’ll withhold suppositions about it (negative as they may be), until I get a chance to see what he said.
Dr. Kaye: re Dr. Welner’s recommendation re rehabilitation – I saw an article he posted himself about it but have been unable to find it. I found this article which quotes him, after the plea bargain was announced.
“Going forward, Dr. Welner recommends that Khadr’s defense team and Khadr’s advocates “immediately initiate efforts to deradicalize him………” He continues on. His comments in his article were similar.
Dr. Xenakis thinks he needs treatment for the abuse he’s suffered rather than “deradicalization”. Whatever he needs, it’s not to be in solitary confinement, especially if he’s not allowed to receive letters or books. In Canada, he should receive parole before the end of the sentence so he can be kept under surveillance for a period, as others are presently, with security bracelets, etc.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/30546
Dr. Welner at the trial: “lisahajjar: Welner giving Schwartz a mini-lecture on their “different roles” in the courtroom. I.e., I’m paid to ensure that Khadr gets high sentence.”
http://www.thestar.com/specialsections/omarkhadr/article/881132–omar-khadr-targeted-u-s-troops-court-hears
To eCAHNomics: I think the Wikipedia articles on Omar and the rest of the family are good, but the best source is Michelle Shephard’s book, “Guantanamo’s Child”. I found it quite an eye opener, not only about Omar and his case, but also on the roots of Islamic radicalism generaly and the issue of so-called “home grown terrorism” in particular.
Don’t know if you saw it, but there were articles about the marriage of Omar’s oldest sister, the person he was probably closest to. She has married the son of a Canadian judge, from a Christian fundamentalist family. The two met on Parliament Hill when she was protesting Omar’s imprisonment and went on from there to join an anti-abortion protest. The story made the news because the judge’s home was broken into, but I didn’t hear if there was any connection to the marriage. Anyway, I thought it was kind of an ironic match. She managed to get out of two earlier marriages arranged by her father, one wedding having been attended by Bin Ladden.