As if we already didn’t know the media is full of lies and stupidity, two new examples have surfaced in recent days, with former administration officials and their media mouthpieces vying for who can pronounce the most incredible lies about the torture policies of the U.S. government. What’s even more amazing is that one ostensibly progressive website and its members have taken at least one of these lies as good coin, a lie so blatant that it only takes a moment’s reflection to realize it’s total BS.
First, though, precedence should be given to the op-ed by Donald Rumsfeld in last Thursday’s Washington Post. Titled “How WikiLeaks vindicated Bush’s anti-terrorism strategy,” the former Secretary of Defense — who was the Bush administration official who authorized aggressive torture techniques based on SERE torture resistance training for use in DoD interrogations, a fact the Washington Post forgot to mention in its brief bio on Rumsfeld — manages to dredge up every falsehood and canard spewed out by the government to justify the torture they used, from Al Qaeda’s purported threats to unleash a “nuclear hellstorm” if Bin Laden was captured, to the supposed “dirty” bomb plot (dreamed up from “confessions” made under torture by Binyam Mohamed, who had looked at a joke website on nuclear bombs online, and was originally a charge against Jose Padilla, later dropped because it would have been laughed out of even Bush’s courts).
But the oddest lie, gratuitously thrown in, concerns Rumsfeld’s claims about what the Wikileaks documents allegedly reveal about the purported “suicides” of three Guantanamo prisoners in June 2006. Readers might remember the Scott Horton article in Harper’s Magazine back in January 2010, “The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle.” (Horton’s article produced an upset of sorts at the National Magazine Awards last week, winning the “Reporting” award, beating out Michael Hasting’s Rolling Stone article on Gen. Stanley McChrystal, and Jane Mayer’s New Yorker exposé on the Koch brothers. — Congrats, Scott!)
While Horton’s article laid out compelling evidence of a cover-up over the possible killings of these three detainees, one of whom had already been cleared for release and return to Saudi Arabia only weeks prior to his death, Rumsfeld claims that the recent Wikileaks release of Guantanamo documents (Detainee Assessment Briefs, or DABs) provide evidence backing the government’s contention the three prisoners committed simultaneous suicide.
The documents should also disprove some myths that have dogged Guantanamo and the reputations of those who honorably serve there. The classified record, for example, confirms that three detainees who died in 2006 were suicides — not, as some have irresponsibly alleged, victims of brutal interrogations.
Yet nowhere in the Wikileaks documents, and nowhere in the DABs for Salah Ahmed Al-Salami, Mani Shaman Al-Utaybi, or Yasser Talal Al-Zahrani — the three men who died — is there any evidence or claim that their deaths were suicides. Nowhere in these documents is there even a discussion of these suicides, so it is very odd that Rumsfeld, who was sued by the parents of two of the deceased prisoners, should even bring up this story. In Horton’s article, it’s noted that Rumsfeld might have put the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in charge of a secret interrogation black site at Guantanamo, called unofficially Camp No by some Gitmo personnel, where the three men were seen taken by guards on duty that night. Rumsfeld has never spoken out on the “suicides” before. I wonder what he’s trying to preempt.
For a thorough demolition of Rumsfeld’s lies, readers may wish to peruse former Col. Larry Wilkerson’s declaration under oath “that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld all knew — and didn’t care — that ‘the vast majority of Guantánamo detainees were innocent.’”
Marc Thiessen’s Theater of the Absurd
Even more gratuitous, and a lie easily disprovable on its face, is the recent assertion, as reported by the overly-creduous Josh Gerstein at Politico, that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed “figured out” how to outlast his 183 waterboardings by CIA torturers (bold emphasis added).
“He figured out the limits,” Marc Theissen, a speechwriter for President George W. Bush, said during a panel discussion at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. KSM “actually mocked his interrogators by holding out his arm and counting off the seconds with his hand. He knew exactly how far we could go and when the terrorists know how far you can go it’s very very hard to break them.”
Aside from the ridiculous, if not scandalous assertions about the efficacy of torture — a crime considered “jus cogens,” a crime against humanity, and a war crime outlawed by U.S. treaties — the idea of KSM “holding out his arm to count off the seconds with his hand” would be amazing… if it weren’t that his arms and legs were strapped down to a gurney!
Such a blatant lie should have been caught by Gerstein, or by the naive diarist that posted the story over at Daily Kos, winning a spot on the “recommended” list, even though the diarist and many of the commenters there took Theissen’s mendacious fiction to be fact. It wouldn’t take more than a few minutes on Google to find this description from the 2002 Office of Legal Counsel memo by Jay Bybee and John Yoo (bold emphasis added): “In this procedure, the individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual’s feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner.
Additionally, one could go to the horse’s mouth, so to speak, and read the CIA’s own guidelines from its Office of Medical Services (OMS) (PDF). Except for the manner in which breathing was obstructed in the prisoner (as discussed in the CIA IG report on the torture program – PDF), the CIA’s waterboarding followed the SERE model, in which, OMS noted (bold emphasis added), “the subject is immobilized on his back, and his forehead and eyes covered with a cloth.”
The idea that frustrated CIA torturers were repeatedly waterboarding KSM as he stubbornly held up his arm and hand to count off the seconds of torture is ridiculously absurd, not least because it was physically impossible. What the CIA medical personnel did have to report about the waterboarding showed that some resistance was, in their opinion, possible: “While SERE trainers believe that trainees are unable to maintain psychological resistance to the waterboard, our experience was otherwise. Some subjects [KSM?] unquestionably can withstand a large number of applications, with no immediately discernable [sic] cumulative impact beyond their strong aversion to the experience.”
Now, the CIA is no more believable than their mouthpiece, Marc Theissen, but it’s notable that even for the unnamed detainee or detainees who supposedly could “withstand a large number of applications,” the torture produced a “strong aversion.” What the words “withstand” or “aversion” even mean when issuing from the offices of the CIA, I’m not even sure anymore. But it certainly is far different than the picture of an obstreperous KSM that Thiessen provides in order to show that Al Qaeda had learned how to “resist” even a technique as powerful as the waterboard. That this says nothing about the legality or logic of using such torture is an example of how an implicit and dangerous lie is hidden within the blatant outer husk of an absurd lie, i.e., that U.S. torture was not harmful.
As for waterboarding, the fact that SERE training had largely banned waterboarding as too dangerous for their trainees, and the fact that government lawyers hid that fact in the memos they wrote to approve Bush’s “enhanced interrogation program,” was revealed in a series of exclusive articles I wrote here at Firedoglake last year (see here and here).
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I really do hope that readers take my appeal to join seriously. If you haven’t already, you can read more about it here.
Torture/ Murder / Treason and that’s it , period.
Jeff, thanks so much for this post. Words fail me here.
Now, I’ve hounded my Past representative’s Patrick Murphy’s staff and present representative Micheal Fitzpatrick, Pa-08 and Ashley Stover, an aide to Senator Casey, with three GOD DAMNED questions,
1 Did we torture KSM’s children ?
2 Are they alive and will they be at their father’s trial ?
3 Where and who took the THREE missing thoraxes during the righteous American autopsies of the aforementioned “suicides”?
I’m still awaiting a reply from any of these scum sucking “humans”.
Down at the FBI they would call these a “clue”.
Please call repeatedly and ask your Senators and Representatives these three simple questions in all 435 congressional districts.
Of course Thank You Mr. Kaye for your relentless, tireless desire for Justice for those whose screams will never reach our ears , Bless You.
I’m actually working on a longer story on the “suicides,” as some interesting information popped up in the DAB of one of the dead detainees. I’m also keeping track of the dozen or so files that are missing, and trying to analyze what that might be about. Of course, one of them is Abdurahman Khadr, brother of Omar Khadr, and a self-admitted CIA asset (former asset, that is), as I reported here.
I’m not sure why should worry about this, isn’t it history? 0 has said look forward and just wondering if I can look forward to every one from the lesser and 0 going to jail any time soon? Please look at the new war bill, the army will have something to do when they come home.
While I appreciate the FDL authors, this website has a groupie feeling and I don’t like it.
What’s with the Saturday morning “I’ve got french toast, hot coffee and the flowers are blooming?” It’s sort of sickening.
As for the comments: I see the same names with sometimes insightful comments, but more often than not, “How have you been?”, “I missed you.”, “Hi”, “My plants are doing well too.”, etc. etc. etc.
How do you expect to be taken seriously? This is not to say I won’t be reading FDL in the future, I just think you need to rethink your approach to serious matters that affect all of us.
Who are you, and who’s paying you? If you had spent any time around here, you’d know that the garden stuff was begun by Christie Hardin-Smith in the beginning as a way to foster community on other dimensions than just politics. Toby Wollin has done the same.
And who are you to be talking about being taken seriously? Did you write for Bradley Manning? What’s your creds? Some of us here have creds that go back to the Freedom Rides.
You go, Jeff. They’re doing the same to Aafia Siddiqui in the Pak media. Wikileaks files “proving” she was a high level operative. Which explains how her daughter learned English and forgot Urdu.
Our Saturday Morning “Pull Up a Chair” was started by Christy Hardin Smith as a deliberate respite from the all-out politics of the other threads. If you don’t like it, please feel free to skip it, but why single it out for criticism when the site has so much more to offer?
And we have become a family here. If you don’t want to join, please just move along. If you do, then we will welcome you.
Thanks for the post, Jeff. I am a founding member, but I love reading about what FDL means to other contributors.
Thank you for relentlessly pursuing the question and those who advocate for it. I too was struck by the absurdity of Rumsfeld’s recent Op-Ed, and the irony that he was SIMULTANEOUSLY trying to discredit the publication of Wikileaks documents for “harming our security” – while using the same revelations to support his torture program. Maybe it’s a good sign, however, that his words appear so weak, as it is usually a symptom of there not being any good arguments at all. Indeed, what else can he say?
Quoted in Alfred McCoy’s “A Question of Torture” ,
Ulpian: “the strong will resist and the weak will say anything to end the pain.”
Added irony for our friend Rumsfeld : it has been argued and shown that torture and detainee abuse at places like GTMO, Bagram and Abu Ghraib was something which definitely “harms our security” by partially answering the oft-asked question,
“Why do they hate us?”
Um, how is this comment relevant to this story? How can YOU expect to be taken seriously, when your comment is a total non sequitur?
Amazingly, assuming your intent is to muddy the waters or complain about the FDL site, you miss the mark by a mile, by showing you are more concerned (it seems) by Saturday morning community talk than by lying at high levels of government about torture and murder conducted by that same government. Sad.
Hum… hadn’t known that. Seems this is one tack they are taking on the release. When it suits them, it proves their case. On the other hand, they bray these are “illegal” documents that are endangering operatives.
Cognitive dissonance practiced as an art.
I guess this is a similar sentiment to what lareineblanche discussed further down thread, though earlier than this comment of mine.
“Horton’s article produced an upset of sorts at the National Magazine Awards last week, winning the “Reporting” award, beating out Michael Hasting’s Rolling Stone article on Gen. Stanley McChrystal, and Jane Mayer’s New Yorker exposé on the Koch brothers. — Congrats, Scott!”
Excellent — my congratulations as well.
“George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld all knew — and didn’t care — that ‘the vast majority of Guantánamo detainees were innocent.’”
Moral depravity doesn’t get any worse than this.
If you don’t like french toast, that’s your fucking problem.
[Note to karenb, I'm saying]:
Hi, ondelette!
Can you give any links to what’s happening on this in Pakistan? I didn’t know this.
And Jeff, great dissecting job!
water boarding is a WAR CRIME Eric Holder when are you going to do your duty and arrest these War Criminals???? I’ll help you and name them Dick Cheney Rummy and George Bush they have all admitted their crime and none of them can leave the country for fear of being arrested.
FYI, the Monday AEI panel Theissen was on was moderated by John Yoo and also had former AG Mukasey. As part of his discussion defending water boarding, one of Theissen’s arguments was how could it be torture if journalists were volunteering to undergo water boarding just to see how it feels. WTF???
Seems like the OBL takeout is now the time to circle the wagons and put out associated torture rationals/justifications so Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Yoo, Bybee and others can tamp down any thoughts of Geneva Convention/war crimes investigations.
Some of these are from all over, and Declan Walsh has always been a detractor, but here’s the general flavor. My typing is still limited.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/157873/aafia-siddiqui-and-wikileaks/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/168010/the-world-according-to-a-pakistani/
http://arabnews.com/opinion/letters/article375126.ece?comments=all
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/26/guantanamo-files-aafia-siddiqui-alqaida
A Brit, Christopher Hitchens if I am not mistaken, did arrange to have some of the original SERE trainers waterboard him. One way his waterboarding differed from that of the CIA captives, in that it would stop as soon as he signalled he couldn’t stand it any longer. If I recall correctly he was able to endure about one second of waterboarding.
Mr Theissen, Hitchens signaling he couldn’t take any more, within seconds, confirms waterboarding is torture. But please, disprove us, by volunteering to undergo the procedure yourself.
Triggering hatred of the USA may not be the most serious danger arising from the use of extreme interrogation.
The use of extreme interrogation also posed a danger because it coerced a Niagara of false confessions and false denunciations. Under Bush, and, for all we know, under Obama, the US establishment has taken these coerced confessions at face value, even though they were often wildly inconsistent, and generally not credible.
The Guantanamo and CIA torture rooms produced a Niagara of wild goose chases.
We can only guess at how many dozens or hundreds of billions of dollars have been squandered on wild goose chases hidden from us because they remain classified. But we know of the biggest squandering of lives, funds, and infrastructure.
Under torture Ibn Al Sheikh Al Libi, started to confess. Under torture, his confessions were, predictably, a fun-house mirror reflection of the interrogators’ most hysterical fears. Under torture Al Libi confessed that Saddam sent trainers to teach al Qaeda fighters how to use Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. He confirmed two of the Bush crowd’s favorite claims — that Iraq still had WMD, and that Iraq was an ally of al Qaeda.
We all know now that Saddam quietly destroyed all his WMD and WMD programs shortly after his 1991 defeat in the Gulf War.
What I believe the public record shows is that Al Libi was not, as the Bush administration claimed, a senior member of al Qaeda. He and his colleague Abu Zubaydah ran a training camp, in Afghanistan. But they were rivals of Osama bin Laden, they were not allies or subordinates. Abu Zubaydah’s 2007 testimony was consistent with that of other captives. The Taliban shut down their rival training camp in 2000.