I’m exploring not one but two personal firsts with this effort, so please bear with me. I will do my best to respond to any serious critiques/criticisms/etc if not this morning, then sometime over the weekend.
First, I am crossposting this at The Seminal at FDL. The original post is at Daily Kos. [I recently signed up for an account here, and this marks my first post. There is some discussion specific to particular conversation on Daily Kos. However, I feel like the underlying issues involved are universal enough to be worth sharing more broadly. You all are of course free to give feedback to the contrary!]
More materially, I am directly and openly calling out blackwaterdog’s efforts on the Rec-listed diary Boycotting *This* president? What a disgrace. What a shame.
I happen to think that diary is what is misguided and counterproductive, and I’m going to present that case below.
Being the anal retentive over-achiever I can be from time to time, I actually went back and re-read Kos’ guidelines on writing diaries. They’re good. There’s a reason we have rules (and by reason, I mean, beyond the fact that Kos Media, LLC, owns dailykos.com and thus Markos can do whatever he wants). My gut instinct, to put the callout in the diary title (#18 on the list), isn’t conducive to substantive, constructive criticism. If the site rules didn’t specifically mention that, I probably would have done it, and this effort wouldn’t have been as fruitful.
I say all that because in order for us to dialogue with each other, there has to be an understanding of the level of passion and urgency attached to the issues of our day. Those of us who disagree with Democratic leaders on certain, specific issues are not trying to undermine them or personalize the situation. We are actually trying desperately to keep the focus on the issues, to not personalize the situation. If you want to know some more thoughts along those lines from me, read my post last year, Our Disagreements aren’t about Obama.
Effectively, blackwaterdog’s framing tries to shift policy differences onto the field of personal attacks, employing emotional appeals rather than rational ones (pathos versus logos, if you want to make your English teachers proud), and adding pictures that say nothing about the policies. I don’t know if that effort is intentional or incidental; what is relevant is the outcome. We were basically called disgraceful and shameful. I have three words for blackwaterdog. Before you detail policy areas like those in the diary:
Know Your Shit
You see, I’m actually sympathetic to some concerns about the boycott on the DNC and Obama campaign. I think Jeffrey Feldman has a good take on this from his perspective. GLBTQ issues are not on my list of the top five or ten issues confronting our nation. We’ve got people being imprisoned, being killed, going hungry and homeless, etc. And that’s easy for me to say; I’m a comfortably straight male. Every state in the country recognizes my right to marry the woman of my dreams (as long, of course, as she’s not my sister or there are multiple women of my dreams).
But that also allows me a bit of emotional detachment, because gay rights activists have a point. In fact, it’s a point very similar to womens’ rights activists. And those advocating for the poor and the homeless and the imprisoned and all the forgotten, disposable groups whose combined sum is the margin of victory of the Democratic Party come election day. Those of us (relatively) comfortable, middle class white male folks have the luxury of time. What amazes me is how we can suppress our capacity for empathy so easily for Americans who don’t have that luxury. Sometimes this makes me sad.
Sometimes, it ticks me off.
Our side has to take the moral high ground. We have to employ reality-based assessments, not simply wait for the powers that be to tell us what to think, how to talk, and when to do it all. Otherwise, we might as well just be the GOP. I mean, the Bush Administration just finished up one of the most successful Presidencies in the history of the country. More wealth was redistributed, more wars started, more corporate bailouts handed out, more power concentrated, more democratic institutions undermined, than perhaps, ever in our nation’s history. W will go down as one of the worst Presidents in American history not because he was incompetent or stupid but due to all that his Administration accomplished, despite widespread public opposition and Democratic control of the House and/or Senate for some parts of his Presidency.
So, on to the issues.
Let’s see if i got it right: You’re boycotting this 10 MONTHS president, who inherited the greatest shitstorm since the days of FDR?
This captures two important, intermingled misconceptions about the length of time since inauguration being the relevant date and Obama not being responsible for anything that happened during the Bush Administration. First, Obama has been the de facto leader of the country for more than ten months. If you simply look at the time from June 2008, his effective acceptance of the Democratic nomination, to inauguration day in January 2009, that’s over seven months his advisers had to sketch out broad plans for how to approach the various issues of the day. 2008 was a landslide; and even if it wasn’t, even if the election was a squeaker, any responsible politician would have been contemplating the future policy options as well as the present campaigning. Furthermore, there were present responsibilities of governing as a Senator, already one of the most powerful positions in the country.
This statement is particularly perplexing because Senator Obama went out of his way to support the two major pieces of legislation in 2008 that exemplified everything wrong about the aforementioned greatest shitstorm since FDR. I am referring of course to FISAAA and EESA, comprising such approaches as retroactive immunity for corporate lawbreaking, unconstitutional warrentless wiretaps, and bailouts for incompetent and fraudulent management teams. That’s a glimpse into precisely why we’re in the mess we’re in. It’s hard to pick two pieces of legislation that better describe our mess, and Senator Obama provided key support for them in the height of a presidential campaign that followed a primary environment in which Obama talked specifically about retroactive immunity and financial reform. Or take another issue. Senator Obama didn’t talk about Afghanistan being a dumb war. He talked about escalating the war in the Af-Pak region. He didn’t call for removing economic sanctions against Iran. He wrote in Foreign Affairs about the need for sanctions.
Bush, and the GOP leaders in Congress in conjunction with the top officials in the Federal Reserve system, is ultimately responsible for our present situation. In fact, one of my more favorite phrases for our time is the Republican Recession. But the more complex, reality-based assessment is that on a broad array of issues, Obama wasn’t offering a countering voice. Rather, he was supporting the actual legislative actions, individual actors, and/or DC mindset that were so egregious. The President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York is now the Secretary of the Treasury. Lawrence Summers and Gary Gensler, for some bizarre reason, have jobs in the Obama Administration. Even the Secretary of Defense is a Bush appointee. When the Administration is filled with people involved in creating, overlooking, and/or covering up the shitstorm, you don’t get blanket immunity simply by stating that the previous guy is responsible. Particularly when a key rhetorical component of your whole campaign was about change.
In addition, the more strictly one holds the previous guy responsible because he was the President at the time, the more responsibility one must symmetrically apply to the current President to change course since he now wields this same powerful office.
This president who’s multi-tasking between dozens of crazy issues?
Sure, people multitask. Presidents in particular. That’s why we give Presidents a huge benefit of the doubt. You can’t do everything at once. But you can do a lot of things. A lot of things have been done. It’s absurd to say that prioritization of issues and actions taken on issues can’t be criticized on the grounds that there are lots of issues. In fact, this benefit of the doubt is really important. Many of us were calling for the impeachment of President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for policies carried out precisely by the likes of those currently running the Fed, Treasury, and Defense Department. This act you’re so up-in-arms about is simply withholding money from the DNC for a period of time when money, quite frankly, isn’t really that important anyway.
This president who spent his entire political capital fighting for health care reform that no one could achieve in decades?
Have you heard about the financial bailouts that transferred trillions of dollars to the very thieves and incompetents who wrecked our system? The multi-tiered justice system the Administration is developing with regard to detainees? Are you aware that Obama is infinitely more popular than Bush?
This president who completely transformed US image in the world in less than 10 months?
See, good things can happen! How does this indict people agitating for the President to do more good things?
This president who actually prevented a real economic catastrophe?
I’m not sure if this meant something different from the first comment. This is wildly off the mark. The Obama Administration has virtually identical policies to the Bush Administration when it comes to our ‘economic catastrophe’. Even some of the same people are literally involved. In a strict sense, the immediate catastrophe (collapse of investment banking/credit markets in September/October 2008) was averted by forking over trillions of taxpayer dollars to Wall Street, ie, ‘socializing losses’ so that stability would ‘trickle down’ from the rich to the rest of us. That policy was designed by Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner, Hank Paulson, and Loyd Blankfein, to name some key actors. It’s a stop gap measure, a band-aid, to kick the can down the road.
What actions do you have in mind that Obama did either as a Senator or as President? The government engaged in direct theft, of the worst kind, theft from the We the People to the elites. Obama was not the primary driver of such theft. Rather, he went along, and has now appointed multiple advisers to top spots who are responsible for creating our mess, overlooking our mess, and/or covering up our mess.
This president who see his face with Hitler mustache every day?
Yeah, it’s pretty disgusting. Some of us wish the President would listen to those of us who don’t aide and abet the Hitler mustache crowd (ie, the corporate interests who want the Administration to fail, not succeed).
This president who gets more death threats than any president in history?
Again, this is a very sad fact of our country. We have spent years demonizing and dehumanizing the brown peoples of the planet. We bomb them, we kidnap them, we imprison them, we torture them; we even do that to their children. And on top of that, we transfer law enforcement away from legitimate crimes, like domestic terrorism and fraud, to go on these wild goose chases interrogating and imprisoning lots of evil nonwhite foreigners. We let our society devolve to the point where even country singers from Texas get death threats. The Secret Service and FBI and other relevant agencies should make decisions about the President’s safety without having to worry about the cost.
But if we want to analyze the deeper problems, we’ve got to deal with the fact that we allowed the simmering and festering of a culture where it’s acceptable at the highest levels of government, media, business, entertainment, and academia to openly berate and dehumanize nonwhites. What did we think was going to happen to a nonwhite Democrat? That the people saying we don’t need to worry about imprisoning Iraqis or Afghanis would all of a sudden see Obama as one of them?
This president who is so brave, that despite all the threats and the hate, he gives 9/11 terrorists a civil trial – something all you righteous were crying for since his first day in office – but the diary about it can hardly make the saint rec list.
This is a great development if it applied universally. Indeed, the President would enjoy widespread, enthusiastic support if we announced that all people currently detained would enjoy their rights to a speedy trial in a public court. And if we released their children from imprisonment so we couldn’t threaten to kill their children if they don’t cooperate. This episode should be one of the most bone-chilling, soul crushing, world-upending stories you’ve ever run across. We abduct children to be tortured and possibly killed as leverage against their parents.
Again, Obama didn’t create these policies. Rather, the Administration is continuing these policies and covering them up. It is impossible to emphasize how anti-American a multi-tiered justice system is; it is the antithesis of equality, of the rule of law, of American leadership in the world. The Administration has a clear and direct line of culpability on this issue. It is the Administration itself that is driving discussions about ‘preventive detention’ and cherry picking which detainees will be tried under what circumstances.
This president, who inherited two fucked-up wars, who’s quietly leaving Iraq and is tortured looking for some kind of a reasonable end in Afghanistan?
Again, inherited is a strong word. Obama has been in Congress for the majority of the Iraq and Afghan wars. Obama forced an ‘emergency’ appropriations bill through Congress earlier this year to spend yet more money on these wars. How many troops have we withdrawn from Iraq? And we’ve sent more troops to Afghanistan, while expanding the theater to now be ‘Af-Pak’. The military budget next year will be larger than during the Bush years. Contractor abuses continue and we’ve yet to see any audits of the military sector of the government.
I can go on and on, but honestly, i’m too disgusted.
That’s a difficult sentiment to follow. We can disagree, respectfully (or, not respectfully), about appropriate policies. We can say that TARP is good or bad, that we should or should not deploy more troops to Afghanistan, that preventive detention is a power Presidents should possess or should not possess, that change of failed officials is healthy or disruptive, and so on and so forth.
But don’t act like the Administration isn’t involved in these issues, like Obama is some newbie to Washington, like there is no power in the bully pulpit, like the Rahm Emanuels of the world can’t handle a little criticism.
This isn’t personal. This isn’t about Barry or Barack or BO. This is about implementing the best policies, the best policies for our country and the best policies for energizing Democratic constituents to continue voting for Democrats.
Groups that feel like they’re being ignored have every right to use (nonviolent) tactics that get attention. In that vain, I am speaking out today directly and passionately in support of those involved in this action. They’re not trying to undermine or disrespect the President.
They’re fighting for their rights. We should celebrate that.
How childish and spoiled and selfish can you be?
Or, I guess, call people childish, spoiled, and selfish. There’s that approach, too. Who is that going to convince?



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Welcome washunate, a great piece to kick things off here with.
I’d agree with the distinction. I, like you, don’t feel the personalization of conflicts with Obama really helps our case or draws us in the right direction. That said, politics needs enemies, so the temptation is strong to cast Obama as that enemy.
The dance progressives probably have to do with Obama is one we’re still figuring out. Having grown up as an opposition movement within a minority party, now that the tables have turned, people are still figuring out where they fit in.
I’m not sure where I am 100% of the time. I support his health reform proposal, though not his tactics to pass it. I’m vehemently against escalation in Afghanistan, a policy he may very well continue to pursue, but I also appreciate that he’s actually taking time to think about it rationally.
It’s a complex place, which doesn’t always turn out well for organizing. And it’s definitely still evolving.
This president, who in so many of his actions and policies is like the last one.
I’m disgusted too.
Washunate, if you read Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer” you’ll understand a great deal about those who post at Kos.
We wanted and expected a leader, but got what our politics gives us. A politicain.
Who’s fault is that?
My disagreements with Obama are specifically about his policies and his tactics.
With the exception of his decision announcing that the feds would no longer prosecute people for medical possession of marijuana, I haven’t agreed with any of his decisions.
I am a liberal and proud of it.
I’m withholding judgment on his decision about Afghanistan until he finally makes up his mind. If he doesn’t decide to withdraw the troops, I will oppose that decision too.
He doesn’t sacrifice the perfect for the good. He always sacrifices the mediocre for the unacceptable, which is to make decisions that always favor the corporatocracy. We the People do not matter to him and never will.
You support the Senate Finance Committee version of reform; the only one that can be credibly called the White House reform-bill, considering the White House produced no such proposal of its own?
I learn something new everyday.
I forgot to mention the most important thing to me: I don’t trust Obama and never will.
Me too, but with Obama and his bots it’s almost always a darker shade of bad.
Can’t trust anyone the system puts up as a candidate.
I suggest everyone think about that in the voting booth next time.
Meteor Blades (and yes, I do blame him personally) has created Obama for America 2.
We’ll see how that business model works out for Markos.
The anti-CT policy at Dkos is its chief weakness.
I don’t care about enforcers like MB. To Kos, MB is simply a useful tool.
I find there are some good posters at Dkos. Like bobswern.
This very thoughtful diary is extremely welcome here.
Encouraging, nudging, insisting: these are all actions of allies who have high expectations Obama might keep his promises. These actions don’t make us rightwingers, they don’t make us teabaggers, they don’t make us Beckian, they don’t make us FOXy.
The cable icons of the left *Olbermann, Maddow & Schultz* spend as much time excoriating Obama as they do patting him on the back. Does anyone think Obama would pay us any mind if we simply sat over here on the left and nodded hopefully at his every deed and word?
His deep engagement with the people who created the American financial catastrophe is very worrying, and his marginalizing those who seem to have actual solutions continues.
And on GLBTQI issues, he’s been a disappointment. His DoJ has actively disrespected our families in its defense of DOMA. He has not insisted on a fast track for DADT despite two-thirds of the American people supporting its repeal. He did not condemn the Maine referendum, or Prop 8. And he permitted his image and voice to be used by haters during the California campaign by not acting swiftly to stop them.
Yes, the Hate Crimes Bill was welcome and long overdue.
But some more “fierce advocacy” would be very nice about now.
Fascinating piece. While I certainly don’t agree with everything Obama has done so far, I get frustrated with those who expect him to be the left’s answer to Bush’s “my way or the highway” style of leadership. It’s unrealistic to excoriate W for being “the decider” and then to get mad at Obama for trying to be more collegial and bipartisan.
Ultimately, I think Obama is a victim of America’s obsession with instant gratification. 10 months in, and we demand what we voted for. In the end, I feel Obama will do what he promised, or at least he’ll go down trying. He’s shown this on health care. Seriously, how presidencies could have been accurately judged after the first year?
Make sure Hugh sees this thread:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/?p=14593
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That’s not what I meant, and the White House has indeed produced a proposal. Here it is:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health-care/plan
You know, the one with the public option. As in, not the Finance plan.
Therein lies a key point. We can’t be all opposition, and we can’t be lapdogs either. Neither makes us credible, gives us power, or helps move us to where we want to be.
I fail to see how CT relates except as a selectively enforced bludgeon.
Now, under Meteor, the selectively enforced bludgeon is “politeness”.
It is ‘rude’ to express criticism of Obama’s policies and his mindless sychophants and apologists who are, conveniently enough, the very same bullies who have always enforced groupthink for their personal gratification.
It is Meteor’s fault that he continues to encourage them and continues to selectively enforce the rules. Because of his leadership dKos is nothing but a den of Obamabot brownshirts.
I know I’m perceived as a harsh critic by some, but I believe I’m reasonable and fair. When he stands up for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Rule of Law, and for Main Street America, I will stand down from my soapbox and compliment him. My views are not radical and my expectations demand no more of him than his complying with the oath he took when he was sworn in as the 44th President of the United States.
I ignore what he says because it’s irrelevant. I pay attention to what he does because that is all that matters. I see a Chicago School believer in Milton Friedman’s unregulated free markets and the Shock Doctrine that will destroy middle class America whether he realizes that or not. I also see a firm believer in Strauss’s neoconservative beliefs, no matter what he may have said to the contrary. He might as well have signed off on the Project for the New American Century. Now, he’s turning toward reducing the deficit before Main Street revives and that will complete Main Street’s destruction. For those who have eyes to see, there are signs everywhere that the worst is yet to come and, believe me, it will come.
Pray that we survive it and his terrible stewardship of our precious heritage. With each passing day he commits us ever more irrevocably to unimagineable loss and suffering.
That’s a very nice website with a lot of lofty language, on a lot of topics, that the White House hasn’t held itself to.
The piece of legislation with significant White House influence and input (as reported by FDL no-less, remember Tom Daschle?), hence the White House plan (not the White House propaganda), is the Finance Committee plan.
When you say:
I assume you mean his tactic to not try to pass the “plan” you linked me to at all?
Lol @ the massive majority of commenters missing the point. Do we really have to spit on Obama’s name and pronounce him heathen in order to work in coalition with other progressives? Is it so necessary for everyone to pass a purity test?
There are 22,000+ registered users at DKos (full disclosure: including yours truly). The vast majority of those want to see change just like we do here. Some of them are too defensive of Obama; some of them are idiots. But bashing a site full of thousands of individuals who have basically the same goals as us over differences of approach seems incredibly short-sighted to me. What’s next, we form our own Club for Growth?
Oh good, let’s make Nazi comparisons. Because that makes you look rational.
Actually, Meteor Blades is not even close to being an Obamabot. He has discussed, for example, how Obama’s stimulus package was not sufficient to do anything other than stave off complete disaster; recently he has discussed economic data that belies the artificially-rosy economic image presented by the rising Dow. This gets him plenty of brickbats from the real Obamabots at DKos.
Hey, that’s nothing. I just saw somebody try to imply that Markos was a CIA operative and that FDL was almost certainly infiltrated by the CIA. Nazi comparisons are so 2003 in the blogosphere!
Speaking of which, I forgot to send in my dues for this month…
brb
eloquent, and accurate.
caveat – he’s not reducing the deficit, he’s just using that as an excuse to cut social programs that benefit his most faithful ‘base.’ Much as Reagan did. Ian Welsh notes:
On the bright side, Obama is sure thinning the ranks of (D) Party True Believers!
Love your sense of humor!
We True Believers need to call ourselves The Illuminati and figure out a secret wink, handshake, and mumbo-jumbo utterance to greet each other in public places and carry-on whispered political conversations behind potted palms so people don’t beat us to death with baseball bots.
I can’t understand why we’re not more successful in getting our message across with so many well-reasoned level heads in our movement.
MeteorBlades is a hard-leftist. He’s not the reason there are centrist, Obama fanatics overtaking that website. Just as there are strict rules about conspiracy theories on that website, there should have been strict rules about hero worship, idolatry, etc. There isn’t, so they’ve found a home to post these diaries non-stop, pat each other on the back (via recommends and comments), and more and more people who love Obama and think he is infallible have found their way to that site. Now their diaries get the most comments, more than front page stories which only get a small fraction of comments these days.
And you now see the front pagers have to (MB and mcjoan especially), as politely as possible, call these people on their shit but it’s like a monster they no longer have control over. Too little, too late. I think Markos himself likely doesn’t care because it drives traffic and revenue to the site. So long as his site is popular, whatever the reason may be, he gets to go on TV, rake in ad revenue, etc. Not that he is sinister, but I can understand the desire.
“hard-leftist” was a poor description.
He’s described himself as a socialist, I imagine somewhat along the lines of Bernie Sanders. He supports Democrats for the same reason the Democratic Socialists of America do, the American political system is heavily stacked against 3rd parties. He/they believe they’ll have better luck trying to push the Democratic party to the left and electing more “progressive” candidates. I personally don’t believe in this strategy anymore. Most progressives who decide to join the Democratic Party are weak and cave in. Those who would stand strong on their principles are also not likely to join a party they see as being centrist, corporate and corrupt. They’d rather run and lose as a 3rd party candidate or just remain an activist outside the political system. Anyway, it just doesn’t seem to be an effective strategy. I’d rather work to change the political system than to help continue legitimizing it, forever hoping we’d get just enough, strong enough lefties/progressives in there to actually change things.
I really like DK. It’s a great area to share opinions with a broad spectrum of perspectives.
I will just be there advocating to stick to the issues.
Hmm, I’m going to have to get used to commenting on FDL. I’m accustomed to threads where discussions are grouped together.
Anyway…
I do trust Obama. I trust that he is a gifted, skilled politician. The gifted, skilled part means he can get stuff done. The politician part means we have to convince him Main Street is more important than K Street and Wall Street. The default stance is not in our favor.
Obamabot brownshirts? Seriously?
That strikes me as missing the point. Our opposition in Democratic circles, in my opinion, isn’t people bullying for the sake of bullying. I’d say a better description is people trying to persuade others, average citizens, not to offer their opinions, so that all that remains is their opinion. That’s really what corporate access is about, I think. Guilt and cajole dissenters into ceasing their dissent, so that the only reasonable options left on the table are, conveniently, their opinions.
Where we have to stand strong is not being intimidated into silence.
Infiltrated is an interesting description.
I actually think this is one of the key reasons that transparency of decision-making processes is important, why it’s critical we focus on what is actually happening in the world. I think it’s naive to assume government agents don’t monitor and participate in citizen discourse across a whole range of issues. We know plain as day that there are multiple intelligence operations, from DOD to your local PD, involved in gathering information and even influencing the activities of all sorts of groups, from environmental advocates to those opposed to dumb wars.
The way around that is to require adherence to a reality-based discussion no matter who the declarant of a particular statement may be.
I find this description really interesting, because it buys into the ‘left/right’ framework our corporate media tries so hard to inculcate.
Personally, I’m not a ‘hard-leftist’. I went to business school and regularly defend market-based economics. I happen to think organized religion plays a positive role for many people in society. There are more Kansas City bankers I like than New York bankers.
This is what cracks me up when corporate Dems and Republicans claim criticism is always coming from out of left field.
Defending the Constitution, listening to the public, engaging in cost-benefit analysis, being free from unnecessary detention; you don’t have to be a socialist to enjoy these. In fact, many rightists share the same opinions! After all, that’s why most ‘liberal’ policies are widely popular, from Social Security to environmental protection to breaking up the banks to undoing media consolidation.
My favorite description is being an ‘aggressive moderate’. We are taught in our society that passion is associated with extremism, but in reality, some of us who are most passionate are squarely in the center of American thought. And those of us who are moderates (of the non-DC meaning of the phrase) get kind of amused at the leftist frames because we wonder why actual hard-leftists don’t make more noise. When people like me can get confused as being leftists, it shows a tremendous vacuum on our actual left flank of discussion.
The GOP does not make the same mistake. They have successfully moved the right flank farther and farther right, and for some reason, Democrats largely went along with moving the goal posts.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s not trying to pass his plan at all, especially given that the Senate bill is looking less and less like the Finance bill every day (less Cadillac tax, public option, etc…), but yes, he could have done more, and in that I disagree.
Understatement, to put it mildly.
What are his values and principles? Is he willing to fight for anything, or is everything negotiable?
Not sacrificing the good for the perfect is just another way of saying compromising to reach an agreement is okay. Nobody can reasonably disagree with that statement because it’s about as controversial as saying it’ll take awhile for wet paint to dry. In other words, it doesn’t mean anything because it states the obvious.
One must define “perfect.” It’s polar opposite will be by definition “imperfect.”
Now that one has established the two extremes, one can focus on the in-between, which is in the land of Mordor, where the solutions lie. Some will be acceptable and some won’t. What may be acceptable to one person may be unacceptable to another.
Determining whether a possible solution or proposal is acceptable depends on many factors, not the least of which are values and principles. A person like Obama who appears to only value reaching an agreement is going to call any solution or proposal “good,” so long as it produces an agreement.
Happy is the fool with no expectations who seeks nothing more than going along to get along. He will never sacrifice the good for the perfect because any solution or proposal is perfectly good, if it’s acceptable. They are the same in his one-track mind.
Though the fool may be happy, I can assure you that his constituents will be pissed off for as many reasons as their values and principles differ from his and from each other. Chiding them for sacrificing the good for the perfect is the functional equivalent of pouring gas on a fire.
This is the way the Obama administration conducts business and it’s precisely why there is no center toward which to triangulate and everyone on the left and right are increasingly pissed off at Obama.
Nobody wants a President who only greases the squeakiest wheel.
The alternative to get the ‘mo betta Dems’ is to get out there yourself. Run for office if you think it’s so all gall darned tootin’ easy.
I see two kinds of frustrations from the Left wrt Obama: one is that he isn’t being Liberal enough and the other is that he isn’t fiery enough about issues Liberals care about. He didn’t campaign as being all that Liberal, so it’s unfair to say he’s not living up to his promises and while I see quite a bit of sympathy from Obama for the Liberal causes it’s clear to everyone and their sister that he has some rather large crises which are dominating his attention. Liberals are naturally finding a larger hearing of their issues in the House and then difficulties in the Senate.
We have to face the facts. Liberals still aren’t a majority in America and despite the value of their ideas over the history of America it’s slow-going and hard work to get past slavery, to get women the vote, to get the Civil Rights Act, to even acknowledge gay rights and the idea of women in politics or the need for more HIV AID research and spending and some fundamentally better way to handle foreign relations.
I suggest continued efforts winning Congressional seats and at winning the public debate to truly convince people your views are important and worth addressing.
Is that black helicopters I hear in the distance? Heh.
A friend of mine likes to say, “Life is rough. Wear a helmet.” Despite my disagreements with him I have to say he’s right on that. Democrats, especially Liberals, need to toughen up a bit and be civil while sticking to real issues & facts and life stories instead of just making noise and waving signs and name-calling. Politics & governance isn’t bean-bag and if you want something to happen you need to play the game properly or be dismissed as static noise.
I’m not sure which issues you’re thinking of, but there are a lot of Dems in government and they do listen. What they can’t always do is take on small issues while the sky is falling (war, economy, healthcare, etc.) or take on issues which they know will fail badly and waste everyone’s time.
If you want an issue to work it’s way into law you need to expand the circle of supporters for it. It means convincing a lot of people the issue is important and some particular solution is worth trying.
Of course, one problem Liberals have had (and probably TeaBaggers feel the same) is getting access to the conversations where the agenda is set and put on the schedule.
That is exactly it. It does NO good, now or going forward, to prop up any old corporatist, slap the label “Democrat” on him and hope for the best. You can’t build a house and install half a roof or half a floor and expect the house to function. It will fail. Just like this health care bill. Some problems simply do not lend themselves to partial solutions or compromise.