You’ve probably seen the recent headlines indicating that in the first 155 days of 2012, 154 active duty military personnel committed suicide. One soldier a day committed suicide, roughly 50% more than were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the statistics include only active-duty troops, not veterans who returned to civilian life after fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. Nor does the Pentagon’s tally include non-mobilized National Guard or Reserve members. Good God all-Friday.
Military spokesmen expressed surprise at the spike; according to them, suicides had leveled off in 2010 and 2011, and are higher in number than the military had projected given past rates, according to the AP. Actuarial charts on military suicides is a concept I hadn’t even considered; the piece mentions the anti-suicide programs and phone hotline the military has set up to help…
While discussing the conventional causes of military suicide: combat stress, PTSD, multiple tours, over-use of ‘prescription’ drugs, two things popped out at me. One item in the list of assumed contributing factors was ‘financial stress’; the other was the apparent fact that a considerable number of suicides were among those who had never deployed. WTH? More about that perplexing fact later.
Leaving aside the other nastiness of the spike in sexual assaults (the AP didn’t want to say ‘rape’ apparently), drug use, domestic violence, and related behaviors, I began to wonder how many unsuccessful suicide attempts there might have been?
This is where it gets scary:
The Daily Mail, UK reported in November, 2011, that:
“One U.S. veteran of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan attempts suicide every 80 minutes, according to new study.
In a staggering indictment on the lack of mental health programmes in the U.S. military, the report reveals 1,868 veterans made suicide attempts in 2009 alone.
Many veterans face dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder, high employment and a loss of military camaraderie after returning from tours.” [bolds mine throughout]
Piling onto the suicide horrors, in 2010, the Army Times reported that new data was showing that among veterans at large, there were 18 suicides a day, five of whom were under VA treatment at the time, even though once they were in the system, risk screenings programs were in place. Of the 10,000 calls a month the VA suicide prevention hotline received, the program’s coordinator credited the hotline and referrals for help as having saved the lives of 7,000 vets.
Please allow me now to take a wild turn toward the man US Military spokespeople had initially referred to as a ‘Rogue Soldier’ who has reportedly admitted to killing 16 and wounding five villagers, nine of them children, in Kandahar Province on March 10. The military’s ‘rogue’, lone gunman’ verbiage seemed to presage the framing of the narrative of the murders that the military would tell, and still maintains as ‘The Truth.’ Sergeant Bales was spirited out of Afghanistan soon afterward, of course, with promises that the military would investigate the incident. He is being held at Ft. Leavenworth prison.
Hamed Karzai has been quoted as being livid that Afghan investigators were blocked from interviewing him and from access to the military base’s closed-circuit camera tapes, thereby hampering in-country investigations. I’d add editorial comment to the effect that how much he cares about any US/ISAF killings is…debatable, given his awareness of the precarious nature of his government’s position without our forces protecting him/it.
Originally charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder, six counts of assault and premeditated murder on March 23, the Army has recently amended the charges.
According to the New York Times:
“The Army later amended its charges, reducing the murder count by one, to 16, and adding charges of illegal steroid use and alcohol consumption. In its statement accompanying the amended charges, the Army did not explain why it had eliminated one of the murder counts, though it had initially reported 16 dead shortly after the killings occurred.
The added charge of alcohol consumption was expected, as military officials had previously said that soldiers on Sergeant Bales’s combat outpost in the Panjwai District of Kandahar Province reported seeing him drinking the night of the killings.
But the report of steroid use was new. The Army’s charging sheet said that Sergeant Bales had illegally possessed and used stanozolol, an anabolic steroid commonly used by athletes to build muscle mass.”
‘Roid Rage defense?
In direct conflict with the single ‘rogue’ story, Tolon News announced that the investigation by an Afghan Parliament delegation sent to Kandahar found evidence of a far different scenario:
“’About 15 to 20 persons were seen, as well as two helicopters and an aircraft in the sky of the village while the operation took place,” Shakila Hashimi, the parliamentary member who presented the report, said.
“This brutal action took place with two groups and it had already been planned and deliberated on.”
Another member of the Afghan Parliament from Kandahar, Mohammad Naeem Lali Hamidzai commented: “Neighbouring countries, Taliban, foreigners, and on the other hand the government: we don’t know from which oppression we should save ourselves.’”
ISAF spokespeople hadn’t confirmed that the victims’ families have received up to $50,000 per death as had been reported by anonymous Afghan sources.
Speculation that Bales’ attorney John Henry Brown was planning a defense including PTSD and other contributing stressors has prompted experts in the field to push back; this ABC piece claims research has shown that PSTD most often causes sufferers to harm themselves rather than others. Support groups are adamant that sufferers not be seen as potential powder-keg threats to others.
There has been plenty of Bales-dirt dished, including this Daily Mail piece (many photos), which paper seems more about boobs than news. And believe me, I’m still furious and broken-heartened over the murders, as well as what seems to be a major cover-up of the truth.
But when I read a Mark Ames piece called ‘Death by Foreclosure Killings and Staff Sergeant Bales’ in April, narrating some of the harsh foreclosure story that his wife believes contributed to the craziness that led to her husband’s rampage, it set me back on my pins. His piece provided a wider-angle context of the utterly hypocritical way this war-loving country treats not only the 99% in general, but the soldiers the political elites claim to honor and love so well. The degree to which we believe these facts mitigate any of his actions is less important, imo, than the glimpse he gave us into the dark side of the class war, finance, foreclosure, military lies and betrayals that affect veterans and active military every day.
It’s a long piece, and I hope you’ll read it all. He began with the micro stories of a Modesto man’s death-by-cop and foreclosure piece, Bales’ story, and expanded to the macro.
After acknowledging that most people familiar with the case agree that before the rampage, Roger Bales had ‘snapped’, and offer various psychological factors, etc. Ames brought other atmospherics into the picture:
“Less well-known or discussed is what happened to Sgt. Bales on the other front: the class war front. Three days before his shooting rampage, the house where Bales’s wife and two children lived in Tacoma, Washington, was put up for a short sale, $50,000 underwater. This was exactly what Sgt. Bales and his wife feared might happen if the Army forced him into a fourth battlefield deployment.
The last time Sgt. Bales deployed — to Iraq in August 2009 — Bank of America foreclosed on the family’s rental property, a duplex that his wife had bought in 1999 that was also underwater. Within months of BofA taking their duplex, Sgt. Bales’s Humvee hit an IED and flipped over, causing brain and head injuries. On a previous deployment to Iraq, Sgt. Bales had one of his feet partially blown off by a bomb. [snip]
Before being deployed to Afghanistan last year, he and his wife had been assured that the Army wouldn’t force Sgt. Bales, a highly-decorated hero who’d already sacrificed his physical wellbeing and his family’s financial health, back into combat.”
He then cited the fact that apparently due to military ‘austerity cuts’ that fell on soldiers’ pay, but not weapons systems, Bales didn’t receive the promotion and pay raise he’d been promised, but his wife wrote that at least he wouldn’t be sent back to a war zone.
But, bam; they soon received notice that he was being sent back to Afghanistan, leaving his wife and children with a familiar subprime mortgage with a variable interest rate and refinancing deals that led to a $500,000 subprime mortgage mess based on an original $178,000 loan.
Ames’ outrage is apparent:
“The extent to which mortgage lenders and banks deliberately preyed on American military families is made clear by this little-known fact: the Tacoma region, home to Fort Lewis-McChord, the largest base in the Western United States and home to 100,000 military personnel and families, suffered one of the worst predatory subprime loan epidemics in the country, an anomaly in the state of Washington. According to Richard Eastern’s firm, roughly half of all home sales in that region are either foreclosures or short sales. As early as 2007, the Wall Street Journal singled out Tacoma as one of the nation’s worst affected regions from subprime plunder.”
In this case it was another business hero, Bernard Hayes at Paramount Equity: same story, different lender, preying on soldiers and others in a sick version of Military Madness and Profiteering disguised as Military Love. The larger story may give some insight into the reason even non-deployed soldiers are attempting to, or succeeding at…killing themselves. Many return to chronic unemployment, foreclosure, and the associated family hardships; many have been betrayed by the broken social contract, and even the one the military promised them: health care, a college education, and the consideration of a country allegedly grateful for their ‘defense’ of it.
In related news, the Army Times brings news that the Defense Department has announced four units, including two from Fort Campbell, that will deploy to Afghanistan this year. The scheduled rotation announced Thursday includes more than 11,000 soldiers from the four units who will start deploying between spring and winter. One comment under the piece quips that they are not mentioning the National Guard troops who are to be deployed also. ‘Winding down the war’ indeed.
Stop the ‘wars’ and the drone murders. Stop the madness. Even these celebrated Business Heroes who profit by stepping on the backs of soldiers and their families are ‘Masters of War’, no matter how inadvertently. Please also consider for whom how many enlistees the military serves as a de facto jobs program; the signing bonuses and alleged perks like paid college tuition down the road must seem like a viable way out of economic straits for so many jobless, especially those who can’t support their families now. The MOTU were brilliant in ending the draft; it will never come back as long as they reign.
Stop the the Predatory Class. Sharp-shinned hawks have to make a living like this; humans definitely do not.




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“Military Madness”; exactly the song that came to mind from the title.
BUT -and I know you don’t want to believe this- what if this stage of brain evolution is inherently susceptible to ‘madness’? How do you stop THAT?
Check out “How much of the animal is its brain?” here
Heartsick. It bcomes increasingly difficult for me to understand why the perpetrators of so much evil should continue to be living. Rec’d, cuz people really need to know.
I’m not sure what message I was supposed to take away from the page, ubetcha. It was more of a page meant to say that evolution is a truth, rather than focusing on the development of the neo-cortex and higher learning or demonstrating which brain regions are more developed in certain humans or anything… What am I missing?
Military Madness isn’t about mental disease or stunted cognitive powers, but about the lengths the Empire Machine to proceed so cavalierly in their design to control the world. We may call it Madness because it’s crazy-evil, I guess. The Navajo contend that people who commit evil are sick, and need ritual cures to heal them. These folks don’t even know how sick they are, imo.
Anyway, if I’m on the wrong track, let me know I’m misapprehending the info at your link as pertinent here. I have been considering writing about how the seeds of violence are sewn, but it would necessarily be from a totally lay point of view. Obey should write it, not I. ;o) But we’d prolly disagree a bit, lol!
Thanks, rc. I didn’t want to write it, of course, and reckoned not many folks would want to read what the content implied in various directions. But yes; I agree that we need to know. Spent yesterday researching and reading, then today writing, and I’ll say that as with many ugly stories, I sure needed breaks from the ugliness from time to time.
I’dd add that I left out a lot of blood-boiling info and quotes in the name of brevity, including the video of the General who channeled Patton told suicidal soldiers to shut up and act like men. He was corrected in very stern language, of course, but still has his fucking job.
We wonder how effective the anti-suicide programs are, and the portions of the NDAA that make getting real help difficult. ;o(
Thanks for reading, and for caring. The Masters of War should all be in prison at the very least.
The military is beset by a raging forest fire of suicides and attempted suicides that should be a major concern to everyone and a topic of discussion by the mainstream media and our incredibly lame uniparty candidates for president.
But like so many important issues, it goes mostly ignored and unmentioned.
Thanks for mentioning it and the non-military financial stressors added to the soldier’s daily burden by the predatory parasitic class.
Recommended.
Rec’d this earlier, then returned to try to comment, and I am not sure what to say. The way this country does people is just awful, pure evil in many cases.
On Bales- I have a hard time believing he acted alone. Aside from the brain injury, he may have difficulty with the other mitigators-as-defenses, because numbers of people experiencing these difficulties and tragedies are ‘Legion,’ – but not everyone facing these things, even in combination, kills. I am not a lawyer, this is only an opinion.
That whole situation is tragic and painful. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
We need to get out of these wars.Well, your whole last (2) paragraph summary: ditto.
Thanks, Mason, and yes it should be a huge topic. Even the stats the G gave are…so deceiving in the end. They obviously fear the truth coming out, though some days I dunno if enough people really care. That a preponderance of self-identified Libruls are fine with drone assassinations is (I assume) a befuddling sort of tribalism; leaves ya almost speechless.
And yet: Libruls tout the ‘science’ that their brains are superior to ‘conservative brains’ as (arrrg) ‘fMRIs prove.’ Gads, I hate science that attempts to prove causation that may just be…correlative.
Sorry for the rant. ;o)
“I’m not sure what message I was supposed to take away from the page, ubetcha.”; the ‘message’ is that the brain is evolving -still- and at this stage of it’s growth, the ‘madness’ may be inherent in it’s current stage of evolution.
And whether it’s ‘military madness’ or other madness such as not having compassion for those less fortunate, the ‘root’ of the madness lies in the state of the brain as it is currently evolved.(It DOES have a life of it’s own you know).
It’s truly hard to believe he acted alone; the interviews with other villagers, including the children, whose *impressions* may sometimes outweigh more sophisticated identifications were pretty convincing to me. Plus the logistics of moving bodies, procuring flammable liquids (never saw them identified as I remember), etc.
Dunno how a tribunal might go (assuming it will be military), but no, not every person with his profile decompensates to this extent, nor do we know anything much of the truth of it, or what evidence may have been disappeared (cynical realist here).
Our Christianist son-in-law was attacked two weeks ago by a long-time friend/religious comrade at a restaurant. That friend was on leave from Afghanistan, due to re-deploy soon. He bit off part of SiL’s ear, and was about to board a plane when local cops who had seen the security tapes were finally urged to stop him. (The surgical bills will be ungodly.) My advice to the kids is that above all, any plea deal beyond paying the bills needs to be that he is kept here and gets help. We’ve had long talks about the conditioning that soldiers go through in order to fight constructed ‘enemies’, and who knows how many of them are on steroids or other drugs by now, as well? Now the returning soldiers are joining law enforcement. Ye gods.
Good Lord. Yes, that person does need help. And yes, surgical intervention will be costly and painful. Very sorry to hear this.
That steroid thing was a strange twist. I had no idea this was going on.
Police brutality needs to stop as well. Kelly Thomas:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/us/california-police-beating/index.html
just broke my heart, and you watch, these creeps won’t do much time behind this murder.
Anyway, hope SiL has a speedy recovery, and his attacker gets the meaningful help he needs.
Apparently, American’s heads are getting bigger allowing for about a tennis-ball size expansion of the brain.
Meant to say- beautiful photo ( not that I enjoy the meal the hawk is about to have)birds are amazing.
And fatter too.
“I can’t guess the implications of this jump in cranial size, but other research shows a bigger cranium doesn’t necessarily mean more intellect,” said University of Tennessee biological anthropologist Richard Jantz, who presented the findings with colleagues at an American Association for Physical Anthropology meeting in April.”;
I wonder if anyone is correlating all human biometric data since the age of fossil fuel economics.
I know nothing about the expansion of the brain and results…sounds a bit like “the brain made me do it.” If so, that should be a defense. All really awful stuff. OUr country is war-sick and crazy. We all feel that in some way in the repeated phrase we have lost our way/moral ties/common sense/regard for one another. On a different view, I would bet that the suicide hotline is understaffed and there you have another group of people under terrible stress. I would love to know something factually about that resource. And there should be a very firm provision that the home of a soldier should not/shall not be put in foreclosure. It’s the least a grateful nation can do. Are there any Senators/Reps who may be running interference and pushing back against this stuff.
In their continuing search for evidence to prove that they were the master race, the Nazis engaged in all sorts of methods of measurement and horrific medical experiments. I suspect but cannot prove that the United States continued some of that experimentation.
Tuskeegee, LSD and methaqualone come to mind, but they may have been done for other purposes.
You really needn’t always clip my comments back at me; I can usually reckon what your response is referring to, lol! (she sayed hopefully)
Does the term ‘reductionist’ work here? Admitting my relative ignorance, are you forgetting the supreme importance of individual brain development is, and that it would seem impossible to make any real calculations of evolutionary development as true across the board? From fetal development onward, there are so many ways/events/conditions that either retard or spur development: nutrition, maternal emotions (stressors v. not), attachment bonding (conscience development, imo), second languages as increasing cortical elasticity, increased synaptic development; teachings related to empathy, non-violent parenting/natural consequence models…not to mention educational models that value group effort learning over individual competition, minimizing cultural and gender bias…putting a stop to bullying (a school version of might makes right, or more powerful). All these things can affect both personal, social and brain/cognitive and consciousness development so much.
I’m surprised that you are comfortable to reducing it to ‘it does have a life of its own’. It doesn’t, at least not in any sense I understand your contention.
When I quip about ‘devolution’, I mean in the sense that our society is succeeding too much in foiling our healthy cognitive, social and spiritual development; not that it’s an actual devolutionary ‘brain’ trend. We are reduced daily in actualizing our human potential by advertising, miseducation, constant incentives to fear the unknown, coerced into obeying authority, marking our self worth by the acquisition of material goods…but that isn’t a part of natural evolution, I think, just major road blocks to a burgeoning awakening of reason and intuition of a higher purpose and calling. Goodness and morality doesn’t require intelligence, either, only the conditions that develop trust, empathy, and reverence for life.
LOl! Your theory reminded me of this metaphor by the Fabulous Thunderbirds: ‘Why Get Up?’ as in: why bother, this is where we are, who we are…it’s just a lack of evolution; sorry, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o2JayrMtWI
Jaysus, yes; hotflashcarol brought that video to us recently. Simply mind-boggling, and I spent a lot of time watching related video from other angles. The second most hideous part was how many citizen simply watched it like it was a video game, and NEVER TRIED TO STOP IT. Not one voice called out for group action, not one person leapt into the fray, unable to block a stupid impulse to help…because she or he couldn’t stand NOT helping. That’s the definition of a hero, which, imo, is always accidental if it’s true and real.
If I might intrude, the section here on illegal foreclosures, etc. on active service members would apply, but I have no idea who enforces it, if anyone. Current lack of prosecutions and settlements render me a bit cynical about the effectiveness, but…I hope I’m wrong, RevBev. It’s just wrong, as is the trend of not paying for service people’s education, although I admit many of those stories I’ve read are months old.
I get emails from Jon Soltz of VoteVets, but I haven’t kept up, and have been disappointed that their organization seems to be endorsing Obama.
At least Fullerton voters gave city council members who backed the police the boot. So, there’s that. Personally, I want more. These people are dangerous and I think they do belong in prison.
You are really missing the point. And,no, reductionist doesn’t work here.
“Admitting my relative ignorance, are you forgetting the supreme importance of individual brain development is, and that it would seem impossible to make any real calculations of evolutionary development as true across the board?”; I’ll pass the obvious jibe but it is anything but impossible “to make any real calculations of evolutionary development as true across the board”; already been done and peer reviewed in science journals.
As towards the brain having a life of it’s own (again I’ll skip the obvious jibe) see here and here and here.
And ,again, the question of “what if this stage of brain evolution is inherently susceptible to ‘madness’? implies the societal structures,attitudes, etc. that you bring up. AND, it was a “what if” question, I’m not saying -nor did I imply- that the current state of brain evolution IS inherently susceptible to ‘madness’; but it sure seems that way. And IF such is the case, then “How do you stop THAT?” What can be done to encourage further evolution for instance? And will that be considered -like gene therapy- ‘playing at being god’?
We seem to be talking past each other, but your third link *seems* to ballast my contention:
“Print and online resources will make it possible for teens and adults to learn more about the lifelong development of the brain, and to implement lifestyle choices that can help to ensure a healthy brain. These materials will be the building blocks of educational activities in communities across the country and will also be used as support to science curricula in formal and informal educational settings. The outreach will further encourage young people to pursue science careers.”
I admit that furthering science careers wouldn’t be a pinnacle goal for me, and ‘lifestyle choices’ is a bit of a fuzzy term, but still.
But you said at the outset: “I know you don’t want to believe this.” Strange way to start a conversation as adversarial. Dunno; I’ll look at the other links better tomorrow, maybe, but again: I don’t see that evolutionary brain issues are what’s stopping us from creating a just and peaceful society, and it’s hard for me to think that with your background in the techniques of higher consciousness development, you would either.
I saw part of a program on pbs a couple years ago about an ancient city (maybe in Africa? Never could remember, googling was no help) that existed for two millenia without war. It led me to believe it’s possible, but foiling enemies/colonizers with more might and weapons is a serious problem, and may have been for those folks.
I’ll let you be the expert here.; I only have opinions and beliefs. ;o)
That’s good to hear, but it is sorta the long way around Dobbin’s barn, isn’t it? Rejecting human decency as a police standard seems hideous.
On a related topic, I read a lot about the security state on the border in AZ is seriously out of control and indecent. And…it all stands for now. Since ‘they’ have infinite supplies of money to pass inhuman policies, we need to get more clever and inventive. ;o)
And Sharpie is a cool bird; flies in and out of trees in amazing twists and turns, shoulders hunched in aid of it. ;o)
I’m for bed; see ya in the mornin’. Sleep well, all.
The military has collected actuarial data from the SEGLI program and predecessors for near 75 years now – suicide has always been a problem – some folks can not kill without getting a problem (an estimated 1/3 of the WW2 military froze when asked to fire at and try to kill the enemy) (I was into the program for the Segli actuary for the carriers administering the Fedli/Segli programs – the Prudential and the Met – back in the 60′s).
New VA and in service programs are said to have cut the rate by 80% but I have not looked at the data in decades and can not verify that. I know it is still much higher than in non-military world – and more needs to be done. If the current crop of commanders were less political, less interested in budget and new toys, and less interested in chasing gays, the command structure might provide more effective support for troops and their problems.
I have to wonder if there is enough outreach to remind families that there are special laws in place to protect their properties?The Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act should have ensured that variable rate mortgages don’t skyrocket and would not exceed 6%. Actually military folk are much better off than their civilian counterparties in this respect. There is a ceiling on all debt except student loans.
I wonder, too, cwaltz. They call it SCRA now, I guess.
The movements like ‘Show me the deed!’; were there ever any public service announcements on teevee? Ooops; I almost said ‘or in newspapers’, forgetting how rare reading those is now. ;o)
But absent major outreach, it might be that panic comes first, and then shame (according to Liz Warren), so many folks may not even ask for help, not even from relatives because they are ashamed/embarrassed, rather than angry. Most folks who got such nasty terms may not know they were screwed.
And the loan servicers sure wouldn’t help them. ;o)
Speaking student loans: that bankruptcy doesn’t even include them isn’t right. A trillion dollars of student debt is floating around out there…
All interesting, papau. Glad you stopped by and commented. Wonder if draftees were significantly different than volunteers about killing? But that so many never-deployed soldiers and vets were killing themselves caused me to wonder what other factors were at play as well.
I read some quotes about the dangerous time psychologically for some was ‘as a war winds down’. Not sure there is more than rhetorical evidence for it unwinding yet, but I wondered if the folks in the military understanding that it’s a failed was contributes to their hopelessness (assuming that’s a large component of suicide).
One difference between VN and the current conflagrations is that due to body armor and medical advances, people are surviving injuries that would have killed them prior. To be a witness to these injuries and physically survive seems an additional burden to the mind. I am not an optimist I guess, so I think I would rather die than live and have to overcome my natural bent, to see the glass half full as it were. Not everyone is equipped to “survive” this way.
I saw a thing, maybe on “60M,” about the Afghan incident. They talked about how soldiers are given all kinds of drugs to “compensate” for the mental and physical deconstruction that happens with these multiple deployments. The military keeps pumping more and more various kinds of drugs into the soldiers including steroids, anti-depressants, uppers and sleepers, everything, to keep them “fit” for battle. This seems to be a factor, and it is a wonder these things don’t happen (or do they??) more often.
The foreclosure element, no drugs for that. It is sickening what we have become in the name of empire.
Plus zipping the injured to Landstuhl helps a lot. But yes to witnessing your fellow soldiers injuries, but the Winter Soldiers testimonies showed that for some, becoming part of the killing machine was almost too much to bear. Funny, too, there are a couple simple techniques that work pretty well for these soul/psychic injuries, but I don’t think they’re being used. I did wonder who and what therapies might be on the hotline referral lists.
Jayzus, bgrothus; the military meds story is really hard to hear. Akin to doping racehorses with butazoladin: it’s the prize money, not the potential permanent injury to the horse that matters. Sick stuff.
As to your question, I’d reckon that as the stats from different sources were at odds, they are more common than is admitted. My cynical side thought up about the Pat Tillman cover-up, and what a conspiracy that took to accomplish for so long. So calling a suicide something else wouldn’t be tough.
Remember how military docs were (ahem) encouraged to not give certain diagnoses that would cost the military money over time? Like PTSD, or conditions due to what we now guess was exposure to depleted uranium, phosphorus bombs and such?
‘No drugs for the foreclosure element’. Arrgh.
When you talk of having NO IDEA, consider this tidbit I learned from my former DIL’s sister: that THE GOVERNMENT provides speed to the pilots flying the multi-billion dollar fighter jets so they won’t fall asleep & lose all that “money”. (That was under Bush, but who’s to say it isn’t more widespread under dear leader).
Her 2 sons were in the airforce & dutifully reported the info to mama.FWIW
Isn’t this Bales the same guy who cheated an elderly couple out of their life savings before he joined the army? What “harsh story” drove him to do THAT I wonder.
I’ve read that claim, jasmine, as well as others, like at the Daily Mail link I put in. There were also charges that the military had attempted to scrub out his entire online persona, but folks apparently dug things out.
As I said, that past of this piece was about the larger angle of soldiers and the stressors of financial hardship through foreclosure due to fraudulent and immoral loans, not an attempt to convince you that it was the prime reason Bales ‘snapped’. IOW, to bring understanding to the issue. Guess it didn’t work for you, lol! I’m easy.
[WHAT a pleasure it is to see a preview option, formatting quicktags, and numbered/non-threaded comments again at this section of FDL.]
Wendy – That reported/implied Bales “admission” was a very early, carefully planted misdirection of major proportions by Secretary Panetta, that seems to have worked like a charm to prevent and silence any ‘inconvenient’ media questions capable of challenging the Pentagon’s widely-disseminated claims about what happened that night.
In fact, contrary to the early Panetta insinuation, Bales has not confessed or admitted to any unlawful activity that night (despite whatever he may have said to a roommate mid-killing spree), according to an explicit statement by his lawyer on March 28th (and to an anonymous government source quoted by CNN), as I detail at the end of Comment 6 in the thread of my very long and detailed April 10th Panjwai post.
As I further detail in Comment 16 of that thread, my latest calculation (following an important May 16th McClatchy report from Alkozai) is that independent reports by the media collectively total to 22 Panjwai deaths on March 11th – more than the 16 charged to Bales – but so far I’ve seen no media outlet acknowledge or attempt to explain that dramatic discrepancy – which may mean that more than two villages, and as many as 10 homes, instead of 5-6, were attacked that night.
Recommended. Wendy, you are one of the best reporters I know. (Most of them are on this site.)
On this, wendy, a bit off topic but a reflection from Dr. Zhivago pertains:
“Every man is born a Faust, with a longing to grasp and experience and express everything in the world. Faust became a scientist thanks to the mistakes of his predecessors and contemporaries. Progress in science is governed by the laws of repulsion; every step forward is made by refutation of prevalent errors and false theories. Faust was an artist thanks to the inspiring example of his teachers. Forward steps in art are governed by the law of attraction, are the result of and admiration for beloved predecessors.”
Pasternak in Zhivago’s brief diary goes on to say that a bleak tale such as “Crime and Punishment” is elevated by the art of the author. I think of this in reading and not digesting the elements of your diary here. They hang together in the same powerful way. Thank you for doing this. Be strong.
First of all, Wendy, my statement about Bales cheating old people out of their life savings is distinctly not a “claim.” It is a fact based on the official findings of financial regulators.
Secondly I care nothing for the issues of a mass murderer who ran into the army to escape paying back the money he stole from old people, who signed up for repeated tours of duty of his own free will and who, along with his wife, used their two houses as personal ATM’s to the tune of 500 grand and then wondered why they couldn’t pay their mortgage. Do you think if YOU refinanced YOUR home to borrow $500,000 you might have a problem paying your mortgage? And why did they need all that money if he was making $68 grand a year and they only had two kids. Cry me a river.
If you want to talk about financial stressors on the military in a more general way, I have no objection, but I think you should steer clear of this thief and murderer who thought “Hajis” should be killed and not helped with “nation-building.”
Hello, powwow; I can’t say I’m altogether sure you read my post, but…I certainly appreciate the new info, and will try hard to come and look at what you’ve found. I certainly didn’t believe much of the initial framing, as you may have seen if you’d checked my first diary about it. ;o)
I will wonder if the Afghan report reflected any of the increased number of deaths, possibly more than three villages, etc.
Thanks, dear. More good info is always better, but this was just an update on the charges which to me meant further prevaricating, framing this as an aberration, etc.
You continue to dazzle me with the depth of not only your knowledge, but the wisdom you bring to weaving together themes, juliania. I confess I’ve read the Zhivago on Faust passage three times, and my slow brain gleans more with each reading. Please allow me further reflection to try and see into it, but…for now, it may be that you are pointing the way for some recent commenters to broaden their…understandings that their are depths to what is, and that our experiences and perceptions necessarily come with limitations unless we seek further.
love to you, you dazzler,
wd
It’s not that I don’t understand your outrage over this, jasmine. I’d frankly expected far more resistance to this post. You can choose to write what you will, so can I.
When I look at the photos on the Daily Mail page, Bales makes me want to retch. But I don’t know how to say it more plainly: the elements of ‘financial killings’ have nothing to do with defending either Bales or the man in Modesto who killed the cop.
And as far as choosing this, it was precisely because Ames included Bales in the theme that caused me to want to broaden the discussion about the class war stressors that even the military are under. And I wanted to point to this added dimension of the We Love Our Soldiers/Yellow Ribbon hypocrisy as further evidence of the evils of these pre-emptive wars of choice, and the massive financial fraud being perpetrated without prosecution or regulation.
Object away, but I think you’re reading the mortgage debt part wrong; doesn’t matter much.
Wendy, thank you for your very lucid and comprehensive reply and also for your courtesy.
I believe you when you say you don’t mean to defend Bales. However your source material, the Ames article, (which you recommended that people read) is a fawning portrayal of Bales built on statements that cannot be substantiated. Bales was not a “highly decorated hero” as Ames asserts. In fact Bales held an incongruously low rank for his years in the service. Also there is no military record of the combat injuries that Ames states that Bales received. and Bales does not even have a purple heart.
Additionally Bales did not “sacrifice his financial well-being” to the military service as Ames states. Actually if I were as irresponsible a source as the author you recommended (sorry, I mean no disrespect to you) I’d say he sacrificed it to a drug habit because why else would you borrow $500,000 on your home?
This is another fact the article doesn’t even mention. It lets the reader assume that the Bales played no part in their financial ruin, which is not objective journalism.
This man put a pistol in an infant’s mouth and set her and other children on fire. Your very well-conceived and well-crafted article is partially sourced on a piece of writing that portrays him as a hero and people will be absorbing that perspective within your article if they click on the link to Ames. Personally I think that far too many people in this country are sympathetically disposed to Sergeant Bales and I don’t want to see that attitude promoted.
Wow @jasmine311, this comment is so full of obvious falsehoods that someone might think you’re a paid PR troll. I just read the same article you did, why are you defending the housing industry like this?
Let’s go through your falsehoods one by one:
1. You write: “Bales was not a “highly decorated hero” as Ames asserts.”
From CNN: “according to a brief summary released Saturday by the Army. It listed multiple decorations for Bales, including three Army “good conduct” medals.”
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-17/asia/world_asia_afghanistan-shooting-soldier_1_soldier-afghan-civilians-joint-base-lewis-mcchord/3?_s=PM:ASIA
2. You claim that Bales did not “sacrifice his financial well-being” when he was forced to go out on his fourth tour of duty, losing his house; instead, you mock and smear his wife, who took out those loans, by claiming, without substantiation, that Bales had a “drug habit.”. Ames quotes and sources real mortgage industry spokespeople from Washington state who looked at Bales’ loans and agreed that Bales’ wife was a victim of flagrant mortgage fraud. The state of Washington already accused the Bales’ mortgage lender of numerous counts of fraud. But in your opinion, that same housing fraud that has destroyed the lives of millions of Americans simply doesn’t exist for you, and instead proves that the Bales had drug problems and it’s their own fault.
You are one sick troll, @jasmine311 hope the mortgage industry is paying you well at least.
Oh Wendy, I didn’t mean to confuse the issue at all, and what you have been explaining to jasmine311 is really the issue. This was a tremendously powerful diary you did, and the aim of it is, as I see it, to show that everything is connected and actions have consequences far beyond the immediate problems we face – cumulatively! It is so important to be able to see how the elements fit, not making judgments or excusing terrible crimes, but seeking how the weak link in the chain breaks. I’ve been struggling with the quote I gave as well, it is central to the novel and that means for Pasternak it is an important paragraph as well. He’s looking at the great Russian Revolution from the inside, from the way it affects all the little people, and that’s why your post reminded me of it.
This is the best use of art, to break through where the science has created a seemingly impenetrable wall. Bravo.