Sixty-seven years ago today the Enola Gay dropped ‘Little Boy’ on Hiroshima. Inspired by this stunning piece by Anthony Freda, I wrote the following piece two years ago. My hope is that you don’t mind me reprising it on this solemn anniversary; I updated it a bit.
From this plane in The Afterlife it’s impossible for me to know where my essence hovers; whether it is hell or heaven…or just an in-between place I have created from my imagination. I sense, more than see the local Universe; the tug of the pull from a black hole causes a sensation at the back of my head…or at least the place…that might have once been my head. The sounds that emanate from stars almost unimaginable distances away resonate inside me, providing diversion at times from the over-arching images that dwell within me like live beings and sometimes cause my phantom legs to move with their rhythms. At times they are like the giggling and chattering of the glass wind chimes our uncle brought us back from China; at others like black bells gong… gong..… gonging…the single, reverberating note becomes a lamentation of death. At first the iron bells feel coldly portentous; in time they grow increasingly warm…then hot, as I begin again to feel and see the red…the brilliant gold…the fire…
…of this molten mushroom from hell, growing and expanding from the initial hoops of light energy, then rising and growing, folding in on itself, boiling, roiling…rising to the heavens as if bragging about our power over nature… Prometheus unbound! In our intellectual hubris, did we unconsciously create this monster in defiance of the gods? What will be our punishment, and will all mankind share our resultant penalty for all eternity?
In this place I reside for now, time shifts easily, and my awareness often slides to that day at Trinity, and I see the man I was then. I seem doomed to remember him musing, “If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one…” Oh, Lord Shiva; imagine my hubris; our collective hubris! That fateful day, our glasses were not enough; we threw up our hands against the flash, protecting our eyes as we might thrust crosses toward vampires, sneaking peeks until the first flash resolved into the steaming organic shape it became as it grew: first half a melon, then roiling and undulating as it grew out from its stem…higher and fuller, golden red and beautifully hideous… spreading into a molten vegetable gone mad. How is that you didn’t stop us then? From this destruction, there could come no resurrection, no restoration!
When the star-songs are more melancholy and the imploding suns pull at me, images of burning people in Japan fill my awareness; their screaming mouths are silent, thank the gods…the falling debris makes no sound…light so bright that shadows on a sidewalk were often all that were the only record left of a human turned into…vapor. None of us had ever anticipated such a thing; how could we have, and kept the project going? Oh, Mr. Suzuki; you should not have uttered ‘Mokusatsu’! Perhaps the bombs would never have been unleashed if you had been clearer…and asked for more time to consider surrender.
With our success at Trinity, I admit that I also felt a wave of relief…the struggle had been so long, and so hard…we had been convinced then that what we were creating was a necessity; and at least we hadn’t ignited the atmosphere; a blessing in itself. Among the team, we seldom spoke our doubts to each other, although some mornings we might show the signs of dark dreams and restless nights, and avoid one another’s eyes. How cravenly flippant we were, nick-naming it ‘Gadget’.
We knew then that the world would never be the same again; a few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita: Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and, to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.” I suppose we all eventually thought that, one way or another.
Oh, we tried to contain this unholy power later, to make sure no one nation owned it; but the Great Bear was naturally suspicious of us…when our efforts failed, we knew it would all spiral out of control, and the atomic race would commence. Will it ever be stopped?
And of course some fools would later think to harness this raging power for electricity, never realizing that radiation never dies, it just decays, bit by bit…in diminishing half-lives that almost defy the measure of time, and still exude their potent, burning poisons silently, producing cumulative effects that often don’t show themselves for years…decades… What fools humans are to believe they can steal atomic fire from the gods and ever hope to contain it.
It’s of small consequence by now, but I wonder whether I will be able to overcome the karma I accrued in my life to be able to enter one of the more heavenly planes; there were so many other areas of study and discovery that were to my credit: astronomy, cosmology, particle physics: creative knowledge, not just Death-Dealing Annihilation. Perhaps the gods will take them into consideration. Or are there any gods? I do not know; not even the Afterlife has shown me so far; yet I still pray. When the chimes of stardust tinkle, and the dark images recede a bit, sometimes I remember this from the Bagavad-Gita:
“In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains,
On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows,
In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame,
The good deeds a man has done before defend him.”
Lord Vishnu; hear my prayers; there are no tears in The Afterlife. Namaste.
“To go into the dark with a light is to know the light. To know the dark, go dark. Go without sight, and find that the dark, too, blooms and sings, and is traveled by dark feet and dark wings.”
~ Wendell Berry




81 Comments

Thank you very much.
This is a day that should live in infamy.
Welcome, mafr. Yes.
The true tragedy of the atomic bombing of Japan was that we ran out of bombs.
Have a nice, bright day.
wendydavis! A superb synthesis of what we’ve come to know and what may be imagined!
The typical person doesn’t know what ‘true’ means or ‘tragedy’.
The truth re V-J Day has been revised countless times, and those countless revisions have been revised.
“In some sort of crude sense which no vulgarity, no humor, no overstatement can quite extinguish, the physicists have known sin; and this is a knowledge which they cannot lose” — J. Robert Oppenheimer (and then his security clearance was revoked).
flagged the above vile post wishing for more of the same.
go write your own post extolling the virtues of atomic warfare.
Thank you, AitchDeus. I’m glad to be outta Oppy’s head after parts of two more days, and looking at the images of the bombs, the annihilation…whoosh.
Have you read Chaim Potok’s The Book of Lights? Einstein’s pain about ‘The Light’ he knows all too well, is woven throughout. (I have a copy available, lol.)
I appreciate your position, mafr, but I usually reckon that a comment, no matter how odious I might find one, should stand. It’s his long-standing belief, and although he’s said he won’t come onto my posts, he does; I just try not to take the bait. Can’t think what else to say about it, really.
The military doctrine of technological inevitability (if we don’t do it, the “enemy” will) run amok. And the fear of criticism stampeded Truman into the Red Scare, the creation of the national security state, and the creation of a Cold War with a frightened Soviet Union.
And the presence of nuclear weapons in the arsenal has centralized and expanded the power of the President.
And now we see the same dynamics in the rationalizations and direction of the use of weaponized drones.
Oppenheimer and Szilard understood more than Teller ever would what the ethical and political consequences were of what they were doing by developing the bomb, and especially after Trinity. But militaries have great problems managing weapons that are purely deterrent because they are so awful to use. That is a second point of technological deterministic thinking. If you’ve got it, you are wasting money (or lives) by not using it. Ethical judgments are always separated from knowing all of the consequences. That’s why hindsight judgments never really are helful other that identifying considerations in future ethical dilemmas. We understand the danger of drones because we understand now the consequences of adding nuclear weapons to the US arsenal.
“Now I am become death, destroyer of worlds.” J Robert Oppenheimer
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie8.shtml
I’d meant to thank you for bringing that Oppenheimer quote. It really encapsulates the vision I’d imagined in my post. And with all the research I’d done initially (I hadn’t known about his relationship to Hinduism, but I was able to speculate as to the reason for it), but may not have come across that quote.
Glad to see you rummaging around in your e-attic Wendy.
Showing us recent dog paddling puppies how to dive into the lake of fire to explore what we too often miss. Busy world up here.
The water of this post is deep, particularly in the place your showing us; perhaps well over many of our heads I might suppose, but on second thought, maybe not that much in this crowd.
Some of us snorkel, some scuba, but all enjoy going deeper from time to time to explore what lies beneath, where the source of this water has originated and will return to, instead of just splashing around on the surface of thought and meaning.
Take us swimming again anytime. ;^) PS, got the book on the way.
I’m sincerely touched by your luscious comment, hermit.
(So moved that I’ll resist sayin’: ‘That’s wendydavis to you, son.’) ;o)
Which book where, my friend?
Oh, thank you mille fois for that, SD. To see Oppy’s face as he says those lines is…simply heart-wrenching. When I saw him say them, of course he had no lips, no eyes…but I did see the tear come from his…soul, I guess.
My stars. What a gift.
Quit tryin to make me blush. lol
Potok’s “..lights” book you rec’d to Aitchd. Got a bunch for a penny + ship of course on Amazon. Al kinds of readers rec’d but yours was enough for me. ;^)
Aitchwhat? I’m some 2000 miles east of y’all, but the heat from my blushing could blister y’all’s toenail polish ;o)
All modesty aside, when I was a demideus, in my Promethean research-writing courses for two or three terms I required as the case study text Jonathan Schell’s The Fate Of The Earth when it became available as trade paperback (1982?).
Last I checked, The Atomic Cafe complete movie is at YouTube. Gotta love watching the archival clip of Truman yukking it up just before he announces the Enola Gay event.
(After Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge warned of biochem threats, the advice became ‘duck tape and cover’. ‘Tom’? When did these monsters start using their sandbox names? Can you imagine a ‘Bob Oppenheimer’ or a ‘Frankie Roosevelt’?)
We’ll pursue re ex libras @ourleisure ;o)
A piece came in the other day on Liberty Underground’s newsletter saying that at the same time Obama is decreasing our nuclear stockpile, he asked for something like $50 billion to upgrade it. And your points are all right on the money, THD, although I might quibble with how far the lessons have been learned.
But…other than that, how did you like the
artplay, Mr. Tarheel, lol?Well, hell; I’d just watched Oppy stare at his memories, and shed a knuckle-wiped-away tear, hermit! So…that might account for a wee bit of it, no? LOL!
But damn; if ya don’t like the Potok, I might have to send ya the penny (no way on the shipping, bro). ;o) (Poor blind widdy here….)
Rec’d, wendydavis. After watching the clip of Oppenheimer, I think you have captured him very well. I can’t imagine how the Japanese people feel today, with Fukushima hanging over their heads.
Heck girl, I didn’t know ‘ol Einstein ever wrote anything but equations, so that book should fill that blindspot.
I’ve wondered if those super smart German Jews, like Oppy, were playing around with the lights of Kabbalah or other eastern derivative thought rewiring/reprogramming. I’ve suspected their intellectual expansion was triggered from some outside the normative sources of academia or training or whatever. Just a hunch, but one that your post reinforces and has relit that small question mark in the back of my mind.
Can genius be nurtured? The rigors of Jewish scholasticism is well known. I was going home from school to play baseball when my Jewish friends were going to the Synagog to learn Hebrew and such. The last couple of centuries are replete with examples of Jewish expansion of homo sapiens intellectual accomplishment. Your topic just happens to be one of the most troublesome.
Nah; no need fer blushin’, my friend. You’ll note I never even mentioned what the H might stand for. ;oP You bemy guest, though, in your ever self-mocking style (much like my own).
Shoot and arrgh: you reminded me of the asshats calling Bin Laden ‘Geronimo‘ (shut up; it was my first-ever try at a poem, obviously), and the room full of %*#@-heads watching the live-time killing of same. Too Ugly for mere words to convey the moral cowardice/evil, imo.
(I’d show ya what Mr. Freda did with it, but you would not thank me.)
Dunno the book, and never knew of the film. When on my recent post on PO Shock Doctrine, THD mentioned something Nixon did to the postal workers and service…I later realized I was almost a full decade without news other than a short stint near a radio at one very funky job at a general store near the WY border (and I seriously walked the three or four miles to work on a snow-covered gravel road). ;o)
All that by way of saying: I saw few films, no teevee…so I am behind the curve on so much of our recent history. Only saw Nixon resign because we moved my mum here to care for back in the day, and she did have a teevee.
Thanks for making me laugh. ‘Barrrrr-y’.
Einstein said his world view (there’s a German word for it mit a ‘W’) was most influenced by the philosophy of Baruch Spinoza.
“We enter this world soft, tender, and fresh as the Sabbath challah; roll and tumble through its vicissitudes as a bagel, still soft inside yet thick-skinned; and leave at the last, flat and breakable as the Passover matzo” — unattributed.
Hallo, hfc; so nice to see you. I wish I could remember more, but the former PM said something to the effect that citizens should go about their daily business after the meltdown, and spoke somehow about this being retribution from the past. Whether that was about not pacifying the gods or what…I simply don’t remember. What I do remember is that it was appalling, and he was forced to resign not long afterward. Maybe someone will bring some light to what the hell I’m talking about.
But: after saying they would NOT, they have put the nuclear power plants online again. Wow; are we idiots. Greg Levine keeps us up with the many critical dangers reported about Amurrican ones, and yet, unfixed…and sometimes on the ocean AND over major fault lines…they march on.
Yup, Jewish mysticism. Might lead to superior intellects; hemispheric cross-communication, mebbe? But why not baseball AND Hebrew school?
As a dedicated baker of bread, both leavened and un-; I love the metaphor. Even tried my hand at braiding challah a couple times. ;o)
Before I met him, Mr. HFC lived in a little town in Southern Nevada not far from the test site. One day some gummint folks showed up and knocked on his door and told him not to eat the food from his garden, just to be safe. That was more than 30 years ago but it’s happening again in Japan as we speak. We are idiots for dang sure.
With respect, I disagree: Few films and no teevee puts you waaay ahead of the curve (it takes one — who since 1972 never read a Time, Newsweek, USN&WR, USA Today, et al. — to know one).
Nixon ravaged our liberal democracy (I also mentioned his disestablishment of the US Postal Service in that thread) in myriad ways, none of which were covered on teevee, but were thoroughly analyzed and explained in many of the magazines and journals which his postal reforms succeeded in driving out of business. His gutting of the higher education subsidies effectively ended the horizontal and vertical migrations of academic intellectuals — new (and cheap) hires at universities all but ceased. What we didn’t have documentary evidence for was the so-called Powell Memo, recently made public.
Sandy Koufax is most remembered for not pitching on Yom Kippur in the 1965 World Series (although he, along with Bob Gibson, is why MLB lowered the pitcher’s mound some six inches).
Oppenheimer was a long time student of the sacred Hindu texts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_texts
I found the play paradoxical, as things tend to be. The clarity of Oppenheimer in 1945 gets put into relief by the eternal enormity of the consequences, whatever reality the human word “eternal” points to. If no one has made an tragic opera about Oppenheimer yet, “Oppenheimer in the Afterlife” would be a dandy title.
As for the modernization of the nuclear stockpile, there are two types of “modernization” being considered. The first is just reworking the nuclear bombs to ensure they can still be stored safely and work reliably when armed and fired. It’s a sort of preventive maintenance operation. The second is to take existing weapons out of the stockpile and replace them with newly engineered (to do what?) replacement weapons. The chickenhawks are pushing the second option (mostly out of ignorance because they jones for any new weapons). The DoD wants to do the maintenance first and then do the new technology. It is not encouraging as to the current operational state of the US nuclear stockpile that this “maintenance” has been hanging around since the Bush administration. Seems like the usual DoD “lots of money for poor performance” routine known as contractor welfare. Not sure how much of Obama’s $50 billion is in each category.
Meanwhile, we are still talking with the Russians about reducing the US and Russian stockpiles so that we collectively can only blow up the world 400 times instead of 1000 times. Both the US and Russia are aware that this is necessary if the non-proliferation regime is going to be maintained.
Do you mean before Trinity?
I hadn’t looked at the wiki texts entry, but the section on Hinduism, and a couple other Hindu sites. One stated that Oppy had quoted the Bhagavad Gita incorrectly, but I sure didn’t change the by now famous language.
The Trinity site was at White Sands. Do you mean Mr. hfc was warned after another/other tests not to eat the garden produce?
Somehow you triggered my now fuzzy memories of Rudolpho Anaya’s Bless Me, Ultima, though. Just to be sure, I checked the wiki, and found yes, it was a coming of age story with the bomb-changes-the-world-forever and his relationship to la curandera as a metaphor for the 60′s social movements, including of course Cesar Chavez.
But I found this quote: [The New Mexican people]
“The atomic bomb,’ they whispered, ‘ a ball of white heat beyond the imagination, beyond hell–’ And they pointed south, beyond the green valley of El Puerto.’ Man was not made to know so much,’ the old ladies cried in hushed, hoarse voices, ‘ they compete with God, they disturb the seasons, they seek to know more than God Himself. In the end that knowledge they seek will destroy us all–.’
~(Anaya, p. 183)
Whooosh.
Down to 900 each, I think I read. My stars.
Don’t recall the fellow’s name, a farmer and advocate for non-GMO labeling and growing, and all for good farming, reported on a late-night talk radio show (Coast-to-Coast AM) that California almonds and prunes have registered ungodly concentrations of radioactive fallout. I asked at Trader Joe’s if they know and what they’ll do about it, I was told “the USDA sets the guidelines for safety and informs them …” at which time my eyes had rolled behind my neck.
In the 1950′s Quaker Oats harvested radioactive grains (in Georgia?) on behalf of the US gov’t, for testing, which were fed to enfeebled children.
I came across this: It’s from the City of Hiroshima website: This is current. In case we think the suffering is over, it’s not.
“The following procedures are for persons residing outside of Japan who wish to apply for an Atomic Bomb Survivor’s Handbook.
1 Procedures for Applying in Your Country of Residence
According to a revision of the Atomic Bomb Survivors Support Law, as of Dec. 15, 2008, applications can be submitted at the Japanese consul of the country in which you are residing. They do not have to be submitted within Japan.
In such cases, persons who were exposed to the atomic bomb within the area of present Hiroshima City can submit their applications to Hiroshima City.Note that a type 1 proof of reception of medical examination certificate cannot be obtained through this process.”
etc.
http://www.city.hiroshima.lg.jp/www/contents/0000000000000/1263806388198/index.html
Sandy Koufax.
oops.
I assume it’s for Japanese nationals? But this kinda sums it up:
“This notification is in regard to the allowance/funeral assistance application procedures for persons residing outside of Japan.
From Nov. 30, 2005, atomic bomb survivors residing outside of Japan (referred to as persons who have received an Atomic Bomb Survivor’s Handbook) have been eligible to apply for aid without having to come to Japan in person. Applications for funeral assistance for atomic bomb survivors who have passed away can be applied for in the same manner.”
A lot of debris is hitting the West Coast now. Can’t think of anything to say about that, other than I hope residents are stoking up on pond scum and other iodine-rich foods, maybe bee pollen…to protect themselves a little.
What’s the ‘oops’ for, mafr? ‘Sandy Koufax’; sounds as though it’s so. Cool. ;o)
Googled; one source said ‘trace amounts’, and this says ‘laced with’…
Different fish certainly have shown at least traces…
Interestingly, wendy, that quote is also included in this book that I just now happened to spot on the library shelf directly to the right of me. The book is entitled: Brotherhood of the Bomb: The Tangled Lives and Loyalties of Robert Oppenheimer, Ernest Lawrence, and Edward Teller, by Gregg Herken. I probably won’t read this book in its entirety, but please allow me to post an excerpt from the last few paragraphs of the epilogue (citations omitted here):
“In 1983, when Teller rose at a White House reception to applaud Reagan’s SDI announcement, Bethe was next to stand and denounce Star Wars as folly. In response, Edward subsequently published an “open letter,” appealing to scientists to join the missile defense crusade. Although he addressed the letter to Bethe, Teller’s message might well have been directed to Oppenheimer’s ghost:
The one regret I have about the atomic bomb is that we missed the opportunity to attempt to end the war by a demonstration of the bomb to the Japanese….Oppenheimer persuaded me on that occasion that it was not the business of a physicist to give advice on such matters of policy. I was too easily persuaded. Later I learned that Oppenheimer gave advice on that very question, recommending that the atomic bomb should indeed be dropped. Not much later, Oppenheimer made his famous statement that “physicists have known sin”.
At the end of Edward’s letter was a decades-late rejoinder. “I would say,” Teller wrote, “that physicists have known power.”
(end of excerpt)
IMO it’s so grandly illuminating to consider how much more we seem to (intimately) know about violence, destruction and so-called “power” than anything else. Personally, there was the world before the bomb and the world after; unfortunately, I had to be fated to have made my earthy appearance only during the “after-time”. Subsequently, I can only hope that the depth(s) of depravity we’ve descended to here on Earth remain contained here, and never are given the opportunity to take hold anywhere else in the known cosmos.
Yes.
In Chap 11, pg 162, J Robert Oppenheimer, Shatterer of Worlds, by Peter Goodchild (1981, Houghton Mifflin Co, Boston), recounting the immediate reaction of the scientists after Trinity:
“A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent, Oppenheimer has said. “There floated through my mind a line from the Bhagavad-Gita in which Krishna is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty: ‘I am become death, the shatterer of worlds.’”
Forgot the damn link:
http://www.amazon.com/J-Robert-Oppenheimer-Shatterer-worlds/dp/0563177810/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1344297194&sr=1-4
If Truman could have negotiated the terms of surrender that he got after bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then clearly these bombs were totally unnecessary; how sad if they were merely a statement to Stalin of the US’s military might.
Of course, a million American lives may have been lost in a land invasion of Japan; however, I am not saying that would have been necessary: frankly I do not know. Does anyone know, though?
But would Oppenheimer and Einstein have been less critical of Truman if it were necessary to drop those bombs on Hitler if it proved necessary? It is my understanding that Oppenheimer did not oppose the use of the bombs until after Germany surrendered. The question then is why?
Again, I do not have the answers to any of this. I deplore killing, wars, weapons, our military-industrial complex, guns, violence, etc. I am a man of peace and I am disgusted with humanity’s cruelty, killing, treatment of wildlife, animals, the weak, the sick, the poor….
I am old and really fed up with all the greed and cruelty. Time for me to die.
On the contrary, at first glance you appear to be both old AND mature — admittedly not an easy accomplishment for modern homo um sapiens “flintstoneus”. Forgive me, then, if I’d rather you stuck around a bit longer…
“The true tragedy of the atomic bombing of Japan was that we ran out of bombs.”
“flagged the above vile post wishing for more of the same.
go write your own post extolling the virtues of atomic warfare.”
My respectfully understated comment has absolutely no relationship to virtue, and is not an invitation for additional atomic holocausts by any means.
It does have everything to do with revengeful justice, or if you wish, just plain old fashioned, unadulterated revenge.
Considering the unspeakable horrors that the nation and people of Japan inflicted on the world from 1907 to 1945, they actually got off rather lightly.
Now, if you want some idea what should have happened to Japan, the Romans set an excellent example with their ‘Carthaginian Cure’.
FWIW: You might consider reviewing in detail the Japanese methodology of conducting warfare and their ‘style’ of horror inflicted on the populations and prisoners of war under their savagely inhuman occupations: hint: you will have to read a considerable number of books, but if you have the time and patience, and a very strong stomach, you might even come around to giving some thought to the justice of the Carthaginian Cure.
Oh, you’re it and duly flagged.
Have a nice day
The main point to the bombing of Japan was not to end the war per se’ but to show Stalin that we had this horrible nuclear device.
Stalin was unimpressed. The Soviet Union already had one of their own.
Who’s next.
General Patton (in the movie): ” I love it. God help me I do love it so. I love it more than my life”.
Don’t think so. They knew about ours and were working on one.
Soviet atomic bomb project
I stand corrected.
See ‘Mokusatsu‘.
The logic of efficiency and proof of concept is why the A-bombs were (developed and) used on Japan. In Europe, it was a short trip from England to Occupied Europe, and relatively safe in 1945. The firebombing of Hamburg, Rotterdam, and Danzig killed many more civilians than both A-bombs. Same for the Tokyo fire bombings.
Sacrifice? Who’ll defend Churchill for not alerting and evacuating Coventry on the grounds that it would let the Nazis know he had their codes? I know, it’s a controversy (which American English accents one way, and the British another way).
“General Patton (in the movie): ” I love it. God help me I do love it so. I love it more than my life”.”
Patton loved war.
I loathe it.
Did you expect something different?
Are you disappointed?
Aren’t you kind. I feed the squirrels, the skunks, the birds, the possums, and anything traversing my yard for food….Can’t understand why there is so much cruelty, greed, selfishness, hatred, killing, fighting, instead of just sharing, peace, helping, and love. Don’t get it. Why are some so very mean-spirited?
In the movie, Patton describes the so-called Carthaginian cure, says he remembers because he was there in his prior life. Me I still don’t believe in reincarnation since I didn’t believe in it in my prior lives.
No deny about Japan’s inhuman atrocities, but explain how it’s your justice or vengeance that means anything here in the diary’s context.
All those books you read, any of them suggest that Japan learned well from the US occupation of the Philippines?
You loathe war but apparently loathe the Japanese even more, making nuclear war on them acceptable?
There were tests done at the Nevada Test Site (now the Nevada National Security Site) from 1951 to 1992; Mr. HFC would have been there in the late 1970s. The wiki says that:
Jesus, we were some sickos, weren’t we. Although I never saw a mushroom cloud up near Reno where I lived, we did take all the weird stuff we saw with a grain of salt. There would be something bizarre in the sky (like the thing they called “the big blue horseshoe,” what looked like a blue neon horseshoe shape) one night and then there would be some official “the Air Force was conducting tests” article in the paper the next morning.
I’ll have to find that movie you mentioned, sounds very intriguing.
Given that this same man applauded loudly for the fire-bombing of Dresden on my post in remembrance of that anniversary not very long ago…my guess is that your conclusion will fall on deaf ears, SD.
It’s kinda Hammurabi Code x 10 with zero defense allowable for the serfs. Beats me.
Oh happy day, I am surrounded by California almonds here in Chico. In addition to the links you posted, I found this: http://enenews.com/cesium-134-detected-in-california-prunes-and-almonds-a-fingerprint-for-radiation-from-fukushima-daiichi
well…it seems as though we’ll all need to eat iodine rich foods. It looks as though blue-green algae doesn’t have as much as I remember, but it’s late for my brain to do the math right. Navy beans, strawberries and cranberries, at least. Sick stuff that sea products have so much, eh? ‘Could I have a pound of your best Japanese sea kelp, please?’
I really hadn’t known that they were setting off nukes that recently.And no one wants to store the waste, but we keep making more. Brilliant we are.
Ah; it’s a book; I think it was only ever published in wraps, so….fragile. I’ll see if I still have mine.
Dear Dusty, I especially enjoyed the thought pictures that Oppenheimer uses throughout your play to describe what he is sensing,feeling and even hearing in his Afterlife. Fascinating and deeply moving reading.
What a thoughtful and artful way to commemorate a terrible day on this dark little planet of ours.
Thanks for your heartfelt work.
Welcome, sadavis; so glad you enjoyed it. Our jobs, somehow, some way, are to find the light. ‘To go into the dark with a light…is to know the light’.
Carlos & Everlast help bring the light sometimes. ;o)
I’m fer bed; gonna check for monsters under my bed…
Night everyone; sleep well, and thanks for such a great thread.
Sounds like a two-bit piss-ant attention seeker.
LOL! I’m gonna say let’s go with that, SD; delving any deeper into it ain’t a place we likely want to go.
I’ve fused fictional and biographical/historical accounts of why Uncle Albert and others suspected the Germans might be building a bomb. I did find this piece that talks about physicists Leo Szilard and Eugene Wigner causing enough concern that he signed the famous letter (ghost-written by Szilard) to Roosevelt. This quote we’ve read before:
“I made one great mistake in my life… when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made; but there was some justification – the danger that the Germans would make them.”
I’m reeling after reading Chris Hedges’ piece commemorating the day; I also read the 70+ comments. For now, all I can say is Occupy ought to get him the fuck away from the movement. What a dark Hobbesian/Freudian view of ‘the nature of humanity’ he’s hawking. It may be worth a discussion here, but for now…his anti-science screed stopped me in my tracks.
This is what wiki has on Germany’s nuclear program Uranverein, but the discussion page indicates there might be some major flaws in it.
Prestigious lunatics.
No, you’ve got Hedges wrong, wd. Military/corporate science and it’s compradors are touched by evil. Faust and Frankenstein, Oppenheimer and Ventner, the “nature of humanity” is defined by it’s winners.
Is it true, then, that the nature of science is amoral?
He could make that case as it’s being increasingly made: more and more science grants and university chairs are endowed by the MIC(C+) industries. But he underpins the whole piece with dark Freudian ‘man as barbarian’ crap (and I had Hobbes wrong, not Hedges, imo):
“Our first inclination, Freud noted correctly, is not to love one another as brothers or sisters but to “satisfy [our] aggressiveness on [our fellow human being], to exploit his capacity for work without compensation, to use him sexually without his consent, to seize his possessions, to humiliate him, to cause him pain, to torture and to kill him.”
All scientists are moral idiots, religion has been supplanted by science, and he’s pissed cuz science won’t hand us solutions to ecological disasters and beneficial economics?
I can’t subscribe to the view that the nature of humanity gets to be defined by the winners. Hedges said that science is amoral, but makes a whole ‘nother case about humans as self-servingly immoral at the same time.
Returning to more ancient ways to farm organically, non-monoculture, husband resources; low-impact communities designed to minimize the need for car travel…a host of simpler ideas, I’m totally down with. But science will play its part in new technologies for sustainability re: energy, food, health, nutrition, etc., even if it’s to deconstruct the dangerous trends of fracking, GMOs, ‘green economics’…any of that.
Understanding that ‘the enemy’ has coopted much science for killing is important; but this piece severely undermines the human capacity for goodness, sharing, cooperation, direct democracy, economics based on cooperative ‘we’re all in this together’ belief and thinking, which is what IS at the core of this social movement.
I hope not too far afield is my South Pacific memory of the attempt by Greenpeace to end the French tests off the coast of Tahiti. I was in New Zealand at the time, and French saboteurs, a man and a woman, had crept into Auckland Harbour where the Rainbow Warrior was moored, maybe twenty miles from where I slept. They set a bomb and escaped north to ‘mingle’ (unsuccessfully) with tourists. A photographer scrambled aboard (somehow word had got out about the pending destruction) to retrieve his precious cameras. He was killed in the explosion. The Rainbow Warrior was eventually towed to a north coast position and sunk as a memorial to be visited by divers from time to time.
Not much more than thirty years back that was. And yet, in terms of the mayhem we are presently inflicting upon the world and the destructive reflexes the world is inflicting upon us, it might as well have been happening on a distant planet light years away.
When plutonium is substituted for solar panels in space flight, that to me, Ludwig, is not simply amoral; it is immoral.
Well said.
As to Freud, who were his patients? Freud is responsible for Freud’s bullshit.
Do you notice you are constructing an enemy? Hedges does not say all scientists are moral idiots; rather, he says:
Neither does the refer to “man as barbarian”. Instead:
and
Hedges’ essay does exercise a trope of decadence: the assumption that civilization is the antithesis to barbarism:
Isn’t it interesting that the “nature of humanity” has provided it the ability to collectively war-monger in multifarious ways and yet civilization, the affordance of that nature, is opposed to barbarism?
Clearly, Hedges is wielding his pen against the humanity defined by “winners”, too, comrade.
p.s. – There is no devil to whom the evil of the MIC can be attributed to and thus the evil of science. Evil is a child of compradors.
Could solar panels be substituted for plutonium, juliania?
Sad, sad story about the Greenpeace activist murdered.
By it’s fruit it shall be known. Hmm.
Simply, an argument over “the nature of X” is an argument about X’s prospects. If science distances it’s beneficiaries from consequences, what is the nature of science?
Oppenheimer, avatar of Shiva and The Bliss, later defended Einstein:
Thus is the bourgeois conscience which once imagined itself Shiva incarnate.
How many times did Hedges reference Freud’s view of humanity as I quoted above? *He* then doesn’t leave Freud to Freud. He claims that knowledge and reason don’t limit barbarity, and further quotes Freud as I pasted in above:
“Our first inclination, Freud noted correctly, is not to love one another as brothers or sisters but to “satisfy [our] aggressiveness on [our fellow human being], to exploit his capacity for work without compensation, to use him sexually without his consent, to seize his possessions, to humiliate him, to cause him pain, to torture and to kill him.”
While it’s easy to know that those in power are arguably sociopaths without enough reason to understand that they’ll be brought down as well through the many ways they are destroying us, he claims that ‘naming and controlling those urges’ are what might save us.
OTOH, it’s some of those self-same soft sciences that are aiming to discover *if* there’s such a thing as human nature, what builds consciences (some say we’re hard-wired to share, cooperate, love), and what things might even be causing increased sociopathy. I have some theories on that, and I’d add that the poisons we’re exposed to may be causing more psycho-spiritual malfunctions away from authenticity and wholeness, the dearth of which might be spiking some devolution in the short run.
He doesn’t seem, for instance (contra conventional wisdom in times of sever economic stress), that violent crime is down, and that many people are building community and using the tools of science AND ancient, proven techniques and models to do end runs around The Machine.
I’ll agree that you fleshed out a few of his caveats about science and fools, but on the whole, this piece was akin to one not long ago wherein he rewrote the entire history of committed activists in the 60s and 70s as…bullshit self-serving worthlessness.
I’ll need you to explain your final ‘p.s.’: I’ve seen you mention that evil is a child of compradors, but to my mind, Hedges is calling science something close to that. And let me say that I’m not all that impressed by studies in neuroscience that seem to be front-loaded with bias toward what’s trying to be proven..or linked.
He sees science as replacing religion; but he’s a minister, so was his pop, and he may be…biased. He could have made the case that we need a major psycho-spiritual reset to work for a better world, but he didn’t.
[Edited to add once I saw it]:
“If science distances it’s beneficiaries from consequences, what is the nature of science?” I love the question, Ludwing.
signed,
Fragrant Orangepeel
Yes, a very late, rear-guard action. And though science is predictive, it’s monopolization of prescience is often thereby a means of exclusion.
Could it not be that one so familiar with religion would be well aware of it’s flaws, comrade?
Explain my p.s.? Rather, I’ll offer more aphorism: evil lies in the hearts of men (and women).
“Could it not be that one so familiar with religion would be well aware of it’s flaws, comrade?”
I assume you mean Hedges, not I, as I’m not very cued into religion. But is he aware? Can’t think he shows that.
Yes; we all harbor dark sides, and would do well do know that, and not always point the finger outward, as we are so wont to do. Just twigged, though: Chris may not get that, and it may be the author of the bias I see in him. Hmmmm.
Anyway, thanks for the good discussion, Herr Ludwig. I’ve enjoyed seeing you dig deeper.
@hotflashcarol:
Solartopia’s post made me go hunting for Arnie Gundersen video updates on Fukushima, and I found this radio broadcast he did with Helen Caldicott on CA fish: not safe to eat.
Yes, indeedy.
“In fact, in space as on Earth there are safe, clean alternatives to nuclear power. Before Curiosity, Mars rovers were solar-powered. A NASA space probe energized by solar energy is right now on its way to Jupiter, a mission which for years NASA claimed could not be accomplished without nuclear power providing onboard electricity. Solar propulsion of spacecraft has begun. And also, scientists, including those at NASA, have been working on using solar energy and other safe power sources for human colonies on Mars and the Moon.”
This is from a Monday article over at commondreams.org. I will retrieve link.
“Mars ‘Curiosity’ and Atomic Energy in Space” by Karl Grossman
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/08/06-4
Thank you; I’ll read it soon. When I’d googled the question, all I found was a piece from two years ago claiming it wouldn’t be possible, given the lack of…solar exposure. Cool. ;o)
Just comforting the afflicted, and afflicting the comfortable. Seems like your diaries usually need a lot of help in that respect.
Have a blessed day.
“Bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant… bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.”
~ Harry G. Frankfurt
Borscht!