As a Barely Repentant Tech Idiot, cybersecurity is pretty far out of my wheelhouse, so I’d like to present this as an Open Thread, hoping some of you can bring some light to this subject. Please excuse my clumsiness with the subject. That I haven’t read much about the threats I see in all of this may just be down to my ignorance on the subject. Feel free to talk me down…or not, and I suspect…not.
I hadn’t seen television news for at least a year or two, and just happened upon this part of the PBS The News Hour. In what was billed as a major cyber-policy announcement at a Business Executives for National Security forum in New York on Oct. 12, the Secretary of Defense had this to say in part:
The truth is, it’s been leaked everywhere that Iran is suspected of being the authors of the attacks on Saudi Arabia’s state oil company Aramco and Qatari natural gas producer RasGas, as well as suspicions that the DOS attacks on the banks (JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, BAC, USB, etc.) might be coming from China and Russia, or organized crime working as agents, or with/for, the state governments.
According to a number of sources, Panetta issued a warning to Iran especially, and According to CBS News:
“A former U.S. government official says American authorities firmly believe that Iranian hackers, likely supported by the Tehran government, were responsible for recent cyberattacks against oil and gas companies in the Persian Gulf and that they appeared to be in retaliation for the latest round of U.S. sanctions against the country.”
Nice strategic leak of classified info by an anonymous but Weighty Insider Notable. The financial pages are full of insider knowledge as well.
From the Army Times:
“The department has made significant advances in solving a problem that makes deterring cyber adversaries more complex: the difficulty of identifying the origins of that attack,” he said. “Over the last two years, DoD has made significant investments in forensics to address this problem of attribution, and we’re seeing the returns on that investment. Potential aggressors should be aware that the United States has the capacity to locate them and to hold them accountable for their actions that may try to harm America.”
Once targets are identified, the U.S. must be able to respond, and will, he said. Panetta referenced both offensive capabilities as well as a willingness to act not only against attacks, but also against threats of attacks.
“We won’t succeed in preventing a cyber attack through improved defenses alone,” he said. “If we detect an imminent threat of attack that will cause significant physical destruction in the United States or kill American citizens, we need to have the option to take action against those who would attack us, to defend this nation when directed by the president. For these kinds of scenarios, the department has developed the capability to conduct effective operations to counter threats to our national interests in cyberspace.”
That verbiage concerning ‘actions’ seems to imply ‘cyber actions’ yes? Or does it imply more? Various reports of Panetta’s remarks interpret his declaration that the DoD is in the process of establishing ‘military rules of engagement on cybersecurity’ differently. Fox News indicates that Panetta must have declassified some documents in order to bring some new information to light:
“Panetta spoke out about the potential need for the U.S. to retaliate or deter a future cyber attack.
“In the past, we have done so through operations on land and at sea, in the skies and in space. In this new century, the United States military must help defend the nation in cyberspace as well,” he said. Panetta warned that “this is a pre-9/11 moment” and said “the attackers are plotting.”
The Defense Secretary also appeared to declassify some new information, warning that intruders infiltrated computer control systems that “operate chemical, electricity and water plants and those that guide transportation throughout the country.” It’s not clear who was behind this attack.”
So what are the issues involved with and around Panetta’s announced cyber policy? I see a few.
First is the declaration to punish or wage preemptive strikes against aggressors or potential aggressors who have been identified as threats ‘to infrastructure that would cause physical destruction and the loss of life’. Does he agree with cyber-expert Michael Leiter in the video that in this country, American Power equals American financial institutions, thus see those as aggressive assaults on life?
Second, of course is the fact that the Lieberman/Snow Cybersecurity bill has been stalled in Congress since summer. One of the main groups opposing it has be (tada!) the Chamber of Commerce, citing onerous costs and regulations as their reasons; ergo: Panetta’s speech to the business group, hoping to change their minds. No mention was made of the:
“Privacy activists like the American Civil Liberties Union [7] and the Electronic Frontier Foundation [8] contend CISPA isn’t specific enough about just what constitutes a “cyber threat.” They say it enables Internet companies and service providers to hand over sensitive user information to intelligence agencies without enough oversight from the civilian side of government. Finally, they say it does not explicitly require Internet companies to remove identifying information about users before sharing. Opponents contend, for instance, that Facebook or Twitter could share user messages with the NSA or FBI without redacting the user’s name or personal details.”
CISPA also protects the private sector from liability even if they share private user information, as long as that information is deemed to have been shared for cybersecurity or national security purposes. Even though sharing is voluntary and not required under the law, privacy activists say the legal immunity CISPA provides would make it easy for the government to pressure Internet companies to give up user data.” [more from Pro Publica here]
Nor do they mention the compromise Wyden-Issa Internet Bill of Rights. But moving along, the day after Panetta spoke, Harry Reid vowed to pass S3414 in November. On the other hand, the shiver-inducing Joe Lieberman, assuming that Congress won’t even touch the CIPSA bill in a lame duck session, has been calling on Obama to issue an executive order cyber-bill with mandatory standards that will fill the vacuum he perceives.
But tada! It turns out that Harry Reid’s promise may be cover for the fact that the OBomba administration, in partnership with DHS, has been writing one.
“While renewing the legislative push, Reid also defended White House plans to beef up cybersecurity with an executive order, which has drawn concerns from a number of Republicans. Reid noted that “Secretary Panetta has made clear that inaction is not an option.
“Cybersecurity is an issue that should be handled by Congress, but with Republicans engaging in Tea Party-motivated obstruction, I believe that President Obama is right to examine all means at his disposal for confronting this urgent national security threat,” Reid said.
A group of House and Senate Republicans, including House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.), offered a number of criticisms of the planned executive order in a letter to President Obama Thursday.”
Open Congress says that the copy of OBomba’s version that Jason Miller at Federal News Radio got hold of is much like the House’s CIPSA, and the Lieberman-Snowe bill. (my bold)
“According to reports, the executive order would establish a voluntary cyberthreat exchange for companies to share information with the government and it would put the Department of Homeland Security in charge of conducting privacy assessments of the information that the government collects. Unlike the stalled cybersecurity bills in Congress that would have provided broad legal immunity for companies that violate privacy laws in the process of sharing their users’ information with the government, the executive order does not directly grant such immunity because the Administration is not confident that the legal authority currently exists for them to do so. Instead, the executive order calls for a report to examine possibilities for instituting immunity from privacy laws as a way to encourage companies to share more data. This inclusion of this report is significant because it suggests that the Administration may believe there is a potential work-around for the privacy laws that they previously insisted would take an act of Congress to be bypassed, as noted by former Homeland Security agent Stewart Baker.
On process, this is a basically complete abdication of the principals of transparency, accountability, and public-participation in government. The cybersecurity legislation did not stall in Congress simply because of dysfunction or disregard. Rather, it was the target of a massive grassroots effort that drove tens of thousands of calls to Congress and dozens of in-person meetings urging lawmakers to either add privacy safeguards to the bill, or vote it down. That action, which coincided with an industry-led attack on regulations in the bill, is what caused its demise. The executive order is a way for the Obama Administration to enact a bill that the public has clearly demonstrated they do not want. What’s worse, it is being drafted in secret by unaccountable government bureaucrats, and, unless leaked, it will not be available for public review before it goes into effect. The Administration is essentially taking all the worst qualities of how the legislative branch operates these days, turning them up to an extreme level, and using them to enact legislation that’s so unpopular even our corrupt and out-of-touch Congress can’t pass it.”
The update says that according to Mike Masnick at TechDirt, some of the EO on voluntary info sharing may actually be worse:
“While the President cannot grant liability protections for companies who share info with the government (a major concern we had), it sounds like this executive order will put tremendous pressure on companies to share info — noting that it will begin a sort of “name and shame” program for companies who fail to take part. That seems like a recipe for a privacy disaster.”
Do you trust this President, or any President, to safeguard your internet rights when issuing Cybersecurity rules by Executive Order? I most sincerely don’t, though I might not like what Congress would come up with, either. Call the White House, alert your friends if it flips your Zoris right off yer feet. What else can we do? And…why aren’t more people freaking out about this, and organizing against it. Or are they, and I’m simply unaware of it?
The ‘Contact the White House‘ link.
(It seems Karen Greenberg has a post up about it; too long for me to read for now.)



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Excellent. You need to worry when the representatives of the US military (or any military for that matter) are hyping fear; it generally is a plea for “more resources”.
If the US is worried about cyber-attacks on critical facilities, might it not be because of the highly developed US offensive cyber-war capabilities? There are persistent rumors that the Stuxnet virus that took down Iranian uranium-concentrating centrifuges was done as a US operation through equipment supplied from outside Iran.
Which raises a whole lot of questions about why the enterprises, primarily industrial production enterprises, are vulnerable to a network-based outside attack. Aside from orders and accounting, there is rarely any need for industrial plants to coordinate real-time processes. Which is why the refinery story doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. If these processes are isolated from the internet, only someone on site could sabotage the processes with cyber technology.
It smells like the whole PATRIOT Act stampede that was ginned up (With/after) 9/11 and the anthrax attacks on the very Senators key to passage of the bill.
It is time for the people to reclaim their power and wind down the national security state that was created 65 years ago. What better issue to do it with than this.
You are right with your “or any President” phrase. The current system is too dependent on the consistent trustworthiness of a single individual all the time. No checks. No balances. No transparency. No accountability. (No, elections are not accountability.)
Now is the time to start planning post-election efforts to roll this nonsense back.
This threat, is it just me or does it sound empty? Surely a demonstration would be more convincing? OTOH, between my computers and my cell phone I am pretty sure they could track me everywhere I go and everything I say or type, if they had a mind to.
Rec’d.
Hey, not a bad analysis and synthesis at all.
For every discrete issue, there are endless possible scenarios. But to your main point, I’ll respond that our democratic Constitutional form of government and governance isn’t up to the task, and won’t ever be. Better to call for a Constitutional Convention sooner than later when it might not matter anymore.
The invention of the printing press in the 15th century didn’t alter the world, it transformed and changed it. The harnessing of electricity in the 19th century soon transformed and changed everything again. There’s still plenty of anxiety over that transformation from the print age, which established ‘a public’, to the electric age, which established ‘the masses’.
Digital computing and the Internet have been transforming and changing everything again.
Old-fashioned responses are foolish, but it’s all we have.
Sorry to say, but the romantic (or Romantic) notions of ‘privacy’ are at odds with the world we’ve made and inhabit.
Some of the reports mentioned that they’d upgraded their cybersecurity software (including tracing hacks) to the tune of $3billion. But interesting points on plants, critical facilites, etc. By the by, Panetta’s voice and body language were…weird.
My largest concern is that O will issue his EO during this time we’re so busy watching the shiny baubles of electoral politics. Kinda like throwing an embarrassing item ‘out in the Friday trash’, and it will be a fait accomplis before anyone notices.
Thanks, THD.
The ‘demonstration’ is part of what I’m concerned about, harpsichord. Sure, it’s a warning, but it also may be about ‘justifications’ for when those demonstrations are put in motion.
And, much of all you name is about to be stored in Bluffdale, Utah. ;o)
Thanks for this informative post, Wendy. DOD is interested in working the civilian nets. Lt. General Richard P. Mills gave an informative talk in August. If you go to the bottom of this article there is a link to a video of his speech. In sum, at the end of the speech in the question and answer section, he admits that DOD is itching to be active on the civilian nets.
CLICK HERE.
The bulk of his talk was about their accomplishments in hacking the enemy in Afghanistan. But if you listen all of the way through, you realize that they’d be happy to do the same at home for businesses and other “vital systems”.
For us, those kinds of coded announcements are frustrating ambiguities. For the first-tier people in the world, I suppose they’re quite clear. Too bad none of those first-tier folks ever comment here.
I don’t think that folks like EFF will be watching the shiny baubles of electoral politics–nor a lot of folks at FDL.
And the folks who are watching the shiny baubles are not the folks who will grasp the connection if such an EO were to be signed. Also, folks pushing this line of thinking could push it through the legislative route as well–R and D. I would be watching the relevant committees in Congress like a hawk beginning on Nov. 7.
AitchD is right. We have to start thinking about civil liberties in terms more specific than “privacy”. What exactly was that guarantee supposed to accomplish in the first place? We have tried over the last decade to deal with this issue with the mechanism of anonymity, which has its own issues.
I’ll be content with your ‘not bad’ grade, HiDef, given…yada, yada, on my lack of knowledge…;oP
Some of what you wrote may take another look-see, but as to your point of ‘privacy’ being a thing of the past, many said it would be the theme of this century, and sadly, only for some it was true.
But given that the internet and social networking, not to mention alternative news to the corporate stenography kind…will either make or break any massive resistance cum revolution, methinks we need to fight hard against any MOTU/Security Apparatus constraints to it.
Our futures and more especially, the generations to come, will depend on it, imo.
Thank you for the link, TomThumb. I’ll listen soon as I have time.
One thing the Plutocrats hate is that we can bring alternate and civilian journalism to each other in our struggle, and any attempts at civilian Kill Switches, which may be in O’s EO (in disguise, of course) in the name of Security…worry me greatly.
Professor Lattimore didn’t assign letter grades, his evaluations were ‘not bad’, ‘not at all bad’, and ‘not bad at all’.
Re some of what I wrote: Our modern notion of privacy is just that, modern. The inventing of printing in the West made two things self-evident: an author and readers who could read an author in isolation (but with the awareness that there were many others also reading the same author in different places and at different times). We happen to notice in the middle of the 18th century an announced awareness of ‘the self’, as though for the first time, famously in English with Wordsworth and in French with Rousseau, and a few generations later celebrated in America by Whitman. Historians have pointed out that the American and French Revolutions, while essentially different, both had the new notions of individual liberty at their centers.
It’s not irrational to conclude that the new sense of self and the individual also developed a corresponding notion of personal privacy. It hasn’t always existed in human societies, it’s not universal, and it’s being re-evaluated.
Hmm.
Look at all that red ink. (Reminds me of flashing red lights and wailing sirens …)
Methinks, wendy lass, that you, TD, and others have well laid-out what concerns we should have.
Thank you (all of you) for not not being distracted overmuch by the shiny, glittering baubles bubbling busily about … as we are all intended to be very distracted … all the better to take us by surprise and seeking to frighten us out of our mind’s reason …
Recommended, of course, to the attention of everyone at FDL.
Honest and brilliant insight is a much different thing from the pulsing, all-dancing, choreographed synchronized displays of “partisan” invective and professed outrage of the “do what we say” class, professional and amateur which now seek to fill our every horizon, every surface … and the sky-is-the-limit non-stop circus of manipulated deceit of the Big Election and its ancillary, orbiting “opinion shaping fear-mongers” … and I thank you for it.
Exclusive intrusion is game of the “names”, ubiquitous, ever-present and … “if yer doin’ nuthin’ … then ye’ve nae need ta worry” … and don’t ya think otherwise.
Mayhap we might well be advised to have, as t’were, some forms of “back-upped” means of communicating?
Just in case.
(Yesss, sure then, ve had to destroy the ***whatever***, in order to save it … there vuz no choice.)
DW
Those are good points, and I had forgotten EFF, THD. They (we) will need to pay special attention to the definitions of ‘terrorists’ and ‘those who wish to create havoc’ (paraphrased), etc., which some claim is in the Lieberman-Snowe bill.
The ACLU is anxious about this EO.
Wot? No ‘purdy bad’? ;o)
But much of the rest concerning a developing sense of self shown by the philosophers and philosopher poets would make a wonderful diary. I would have guessed its emergence earlier than early 18 century, but I did go hunting Rousseau’s Wiki to refresh my memory.
The bit in Discourse on Moral Inequality (yeah, this is exactly why answering comments takes me for-bloody-ever) was fun purdy fun:
Added: And yes, on the Constitutional Convention. When I wrote up a diary on the discussion of one at Harvard (I think) some time back, the cranks came outta the woodwork. “Oh, no; there’s a Tea Party Person on the panel! Eek!” lol!
And there we went wrong, eh? Devotees of personal property, competition for wealth, and oh so often accumulating it through war, or on the backs of working people and the fruits of their labor.
Liberty. Freedom. Hmmm.
Thanks, Perfesser.
Hey, sweetie, I was aiming for ‘burgundy’. ;o) But yes, signifying alarms.
Election season promised to be hard to bare, didn’t it DW, and the only way I’ve survived it is to focus on issues, and there are so many. Now once in awhile Obama’s name might be attached to some of the issues, but I reckoned that was his fault, and his administrations, not mine. ;o)
Cheri and Jill kinda grabbed some of my attention lately, so I shifted gears a li’l bit, but still, long term, the big issues we need to pay attention to and organize around, won’t be goin’ away any time soon, no matter who is ‘Victorious’ in the whatchmacallit.
A pretty brilliant tech friend of mine mentioned that there *are* ways to navigate and communicate even with much of the web closed to us, but said it would be a monumental effort to create a simple version of how that is, and in the end, I wondered, how would we get it out into the web void in time?
I need to catch up on those couple posts if they’re not dead; I have some strong issues about the only possibility of the Greens or burgeoning Latino voter registrants *having to fold into the Democratic Party*. But…time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana…they say.
Thanks, David.
There’s my favorite Theysaying. They also say … outside of a dog, reading is a man’s best friend; inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.
Lol; I’d never heard that one.
On Red Dwarf last night, The Cat (evolved on the RD spaceship into a quasi-human over 13 million years) and Davey Lister were conversing while Davey watched an episode of the Flintstones on his computer monitor. Aside from a Hologram and a Servobot, they were the only two on the ship.
Davey remarked how incredibly sexy Wilma was; the Cat agreed, and then Dave asked the Cat’s opinion of Betty.
“Hmmm; I’d go with her”, said Cat, “but I’d be thinkin’ of Wilma.”
“Smeggit,” said Davey; “you think we’ve been in space too long? “Listen to us!”
Cat said, “Yeah; we’re smeggin’ crazy, aren’t we?”
“Yeah,” sighed Davey. “She’d never leave Fred.”
Another great diary, Wendy.
It has gotten to the point where the Executive Branch can do pretty much whatever it wants. It’s easy when you have both major parties and the news media as willing accomplices.
Your last paragraph sums it up nicely. I think the average joe has no idea what is going on and likely won’t know, or care, until it affects them and by then it will be too late.
What on earth are all the passive Democrats going to say when the next Republican president inherits this dictatorship by EO that Obama keeps expanding?
Thanks, timesthree. Your implication that no President will abjure those unitary executive powers unless they are forced to (I’d add, no matter how unlikely save a revolutionary remedy) is the whole ballgame, timesthree. Power, and absolute power, to boot, must be heady to those without conscience.
Bush had none, OBomba seems to have even less, but with more Pageantry Pretty Word Puppeteering, and who knows what’s next?
Is O so convinced of his coming ‘Victory’ that he’ll sign his own EO prior to the election? I can imagine that it’s so, but woe to us.
But yes, it will be so interesting to see if, perchance, Romney wins, and Dems and the Obama supporters in the blogosphere dare to bitch against the self-same policies. The internet wars will be hideous, as the ones involving Hillary/Obama supporters, not to mention the ‘It’s all Nader’s fault’ arguments.
All of which to me means: it ain’t the issues that matter, ya assholes; it’s the tribes. Jayzus.
wendydavis
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…X 2 again…stay with it wd…needs to be said and seen…thank you
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Welcome, arrow; and I will, as long as I am able.
I have a hunch that Michael Leiter saw War Games when he was 12 or 13, but I won’t stretch it that he was influenced because Matthew Broderick’s character was named David Lightman.
His remark that a firewall won’t protect us seemed condescending, especially since ‘firewall’ is metaphor in the first place. If you extrapolate his imagery, he might as well be saying that the most secure cyber systems are no better than Ford Pintos. Yet, he pointed out that these most recent ‘attacks’ by hackers did nothing worse than what many garden-variety hackers have done since the web emerged, namely, they flooded the banks’ sites with enough traffic to crash the sites — something that happens every day and probably every minute to millions of sites.
This was elevated by the host and projected onto Middle America’s kitchen table where someone tries to make a mortgage payment but can’t — and we can all figure out the rest: the bank forecloses and we have to use our iPad under the bridge where we now live.
I read the Karen Greenberg piece until I couldn’t continue. If anyone read all of it, I’d like to know if she included the possibility of malware being contracted from a toilet seat.
What’s needed right away are discussions from people who actually know something about how likely it is to take down the electrical grid for longer than a few hours, or to hack a jetliner’s computer and make it crash, or take over a bank’s system — not just overload some servers.
Cannae drum up the effort to respond to this fulsome comment, my friend.
Tomorrow, tomorrow. For now, from one of my favorite movies, but not yours. ;o)
I would watch Rip Torn mud wrestling, so it was worth it. ;o)
From one of my favorite school movies also, a year or so earlier.
Exactly. To my mind after twenty-five years in IT a lot of the scenarios are the extreme kind of risk scenarios you heard around Y2K. It turned out that the idea of checking the coffee-pot timers was worthwhile. Once you discovered that that generically was not an issue, a major risk analysis and mitigation expense was off your list.
State actors or corporate actors with lots of resources are to my mind a greater issue that networks of recreational hackers. To be sure, LulzSec did take down HBGary pretty thoroughly. Also IMO, rogue actors with drone capability are a greater danger than nonstate groups of hackers.
And human engineering (i.e. persuasion) to gain entry to secure systems and locations through cons is a more probable risk than a cyber-attack.
But the risk is directly related to the potential reward. Lowering the value of success is as important as increasing the effort cost.
And the big elephant in the room is reversing the bloated national security state.
Wendydavis,
Panettas plea for a more robust CyberWar is just another manifestation for an ever-expansive GWOT.
Only when our Elected Officals have to contend with any “loud voices” for bring back the military draft, will these Elected Officials respond affirmatively by reducing spending on both our National Security and National Defense schematics. Therefore, will Obama, after being re-elected, spend an additional $2 trillion that’s been suggested by Romney?
Jaango
Part of my surprise watching this was the incredible assists that Margaret Warren gave Jofee and Leiter, really. It was she who brought up the notion that Americans would lose confidence in the banking system, and then said, ‘You didn’t mention Iran’. I was glad at least, that she mentioned Mossad and the US as authors of Stuxtnet…
So, if most US ‘critical infrastructure’ software isn’t actually in much danger from hackers, doesn’t this mean this is all more nefarious a ploy to take power over the internet?
Panetta’s multi-pronged cyber and physical, on the ground scenarios were certainly colorful, but either ignorant or just…fabricated in aid of a larger agenda?
‘And the big elephant in the room is reversing the bloated national security state.’
Double bingo.
It’s hard to picture any voices loud enough to reinstate a draft, jaango, at least in this present incarnation of our nation. We seem to be pretty irrational about war, as well, in terms of polling. Americans reckon Afghanistan ‘wasn’t worth it, want our troops out’, but don’t care that much about the fact. Americans poll as loving drones, and not minding assassinations by drone, all while (I hope) knowing those killings ‘create more enemies’ of the US. The anti-Muslim propaganda machine’s been tragically too successful.
Dunno how the military budget will play out, though. Nick Turse and Tom Englehardt, when they’ve dug into that budget, find stuff hidden via creative book-keeping that just about doubles the amount that’s stated publicly. But while I was poking around for more info for this post, I saw Spencer Ackerman at Wired’s Danger Room saying that in Monday’s ‘debate’, Romney was the Peace Hippie in many respects. ;o)
His main deviation from that was apparently wanting to build a bigger navy? I didn’t watch, can barely care about what they say, knowing so few deliver on campaign rhetoric. But I strongly suspect that Obama’s promised military cuts are utterly smoke and mirrors. How many private mercenaries do you reckon will still be in Afghanistan after 2014? Or remain in Iraq, for that matter? And given that his stated policy is ‘pivoting to the China Seas’ or however it went…
Haven’t had time to check the links but this seems a good summation; no matter what the truth really is, it’s a really great new threat with which to reduce our online access and scare Americans further into submission. Well, back in Ought 13 or so, it turned out the innertubes were much too dangerous to be rode by the average joe, what with those scary cyberrapids around every bend . . .
Fine funny on your last sentence, Ms. Firecracker.
I’d say that between the lines, Panetta also made a case for military actions to *preempt cyber threats*. I sure do trust a unitary executive to make those calls, don’t you?
Best thoughts for #O25 in Oakland tonight. Be smart and careful, okay?
Yes, we will definitely be careful and we will try to be smart. We have four kitties who have asked to puhleeze not get arrested. It would seem prudent for OPD to take precautions on this anniversary. We know now that it was definitely an OPD officer, not one from some other agency as they have been claiming, who shot Scott Olsen. A few popo heads will be rolling over that, finally, although not the big head of HoJo. Federal receivership is so close they can taste it. Should be a good time in the old town tomorrow night fer sure.
And, oh yes, I totally trust a unitary executive to have my best interests in mind . . . although I keep hearing that Obama is going to knock that shit off because after we vote for him, we’re gonna hold his walking shoes to the fire. Or something like that.
Eeep…beep….meeeeeep…hotflashcarol channeling Brother Cornell West…the Nation Magazine’s editors…Daniel Ellsberg…meeep…Barack Ya Shouldda Made Me Do It OBomba….John Nichols… Now back to yer regularly scheduled program….
National Propaganda Radio!
I read that kitties *might* receive immunity, no promises.
But yes, what was the date for review for federal receivership? Not too long now, yes? I looked it up a month ago, and have forgotten. The 15 of some month. November?
Heading to town to put out some more cards. Not much friendly fire here.
It’s December 13th and here is a recent statement by one of the attorneys who is pushing for it (haven’t listened to this myself, although I have seen Jim speak at other events). OK, now I really gotta go.
P.S. – As a fellow prisoner of hope, I still love Brother Cornell. I must have been humming with my hands over my ears because I didn’t know Ellsberg had been bodysnatched too. Boooooo.
Well, some links woulda been helpful:
http://oaklandlocal.com/article/federal-receivership-oakland-police-department-likely-cost-big-money
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/10/20/18724172.php
About Panetta’s address to the bizcomm, I wish I could decode it. My reasonable-person guess is that the US already has the wherewithal to protect and defend — though not to prevent, of course — and wants support including public opinion to put another cabinet-level czar with matching budget appropriations into effect.
Online isn’t only our beloved web or even the Internet. Yesterday Barnes and Noble was hacked via card-swipe PIN dodads.
(“Ice cream? Children’s ice cream, Mandrake?”)
There are many ways to interpret that wendydavis giddiness. ;o)
I was glad when that Stuxnet attack news broke. Of course it was allowed to leak to let potential adversaries know. I was also glad if it disrupted any nefarious stuff.
Ain’t it fun, though, when nobody official on any side of any desk will mention the obvious susceptibility to attack of voting machines?
Hmm. I just wondered if this EO is intended to protect and defend the voting machines. Then I went, like, wow.
Might be, AithD. More Czars!!! More detentions!!!
But surely Panetta was at least trying to neutralize ‘business objections’ to the Lieberman bill…by scaring them silly. He’d been touting the $3 billion the DoD is spending on cybersecurity, but claims they now *can* identify the hackers, but isn’t that contra Leiter’s info?
The Republiccans fighting the bill agree with you that they already have the ability to P and D. Panetta wants ‘agility’.
Re: Aramco and RasGas, is this stuff partially to help out Our Partners in Peace, Saudi Arabia and Qatar? And could the hacks have murdered 30,000 computers? And is that a cautionary tale to those who fight the CIPSA-like bills or more?
Witches use mandrake root to fly, and if you’ve ever tasted it, you’ll know why. But I don’t know the allusion.
Plus, I love ‘I am waiting’. Anchored a whole post about it her once.
Chris Rock would understand about Cornell and Ellsberg. It’s an insurance policy so they won’t get arrested for what they say or do after November if Obama wins again. It’s self-serving and smart.
lol!
I meant that I was glad because this hacking has been authored by the US and Israel to start, although I’m not positive of that. And meaning: payback can be a bitch, depending on who really hacked whom.
Hacked voting machines. How might the EO fit in? Aren’t those closed systems? To my recollection, folks had to enter the voting places in the dark and do their magic.
Re my allusion: did you see Dr. Strangelove? Re yours: did you see Rushmore?
Er…isn’t that Brother Cornell, a Prisoner of Hope Deferred?
Yeah, some are claiming Chomsky; dunno what’s true. I got a call from Julianne Moore for Obama, and one from Susan Sarandon urging Yes on legalizing MJ in CO! Hooray! That subject was on 60 Minutes on Sunday; someone gave us a heads-up, and I’ll write it up soon. The CO US attorney was interviewed (dum-dum-de-dum…mebbe)
Come to think of it, did he say all that before or after his and Smiley’s show got cancelled?
Nope to both. Movie Deficient, she is. But hell, you didn’t even laugh at my Red Dwarf humor, so…
They will blame it on the selfish, pony-seeking purists for withholding the love from the grand man.
Love, which somehow, inexplicably, would “make him do it”.
Well, I don’t know what the EO encompasses but I’d guess everything, including real-time monitoring of I/O at any node.
Direct access to a machine isn’t required to hack its actions. Like rust, Moore’s Law never sleeps. ;o)
Oh but I did laugh and also thought better than to say the gag happens to be the entire plot device of My Geisha.
Teevee Deficient is I. Among the many reasons I would count everything Hanna-Barbera with their lafftracks.
Being deficient I don’t know: but, tell me, has anything teevee ever employed a scream track, y’know, to let the viewers know that what they’re watching is supposed to be scary?
And I will curtsey, then say, “You’re welcome”. It may be that I’ll have to look away from OBomba for the following four years, but I wish I wouldn’t even have to, actually.
This AJE piece is pretty funny, though I think they’re wrong about the financial industry bankrolling him. Besides the wars, I think I spent more blogging hours on him tanking *any* meaningful attempts at fin-reg, and am still bitter about how many Libruls told me Dodd-Frank wasn’t ‘all that bad’. Not even sure they ever finished the commodities/derivatives parts, actually. Gary Gensler always announces that ‘this time is it!’…and then…industry steps in…
As far as memory serves, the laff-tracks sound like screams, and with scary movies (don’t watch them), I’m guessing it’s Portentous Music…last movie that kinda cared me was Rosemary’s Baby, *if* that’s the one where the child’s head went into 360 degree turns.
(I sold 11 more cards in town!!! I’m rich!!!!) (pour moi)
Eleven cheers!!!!!!!!!!!
They use dog barks to alert you to trouble, fright is subjective. Two barks as quarter notes is a heads up for mere trouble, three barks as dotted eighths signals danger. It’s paternalistic, designed for honey to grab honey’s hand, and reverse Pavlov, the dog serving as the bell.
Thanks for that link, wendydavis.
Ditto on the libruals. When-oh-when are they going to follow up on the “starter home” mentality they use to rationalize their support for odious legislation. “It’s not perfect but we’ll fix it later” means “Sucka!!!”
And since I’m in a thanking mood, let me say thanks again, and a big thanks at that, for the great work you do with your diaries. Kudos to you, ma’am!
Do any dogs bark in My Geisha? Sounded scary… ;o)
When indeed? Another diarist had a link to this; dunno if it will turn yer crank, but it’s a thought… (good art, as well ;o) )
And how very kind of you on the thanks. Just might put a wee bit o’ starch in my topknot.
No dog barks, not even before or during the attempted rape (which was ‘comical’ and concluded with Shirley MacLaine doing a bad fake series of guffaws. Not needed I guess since Yves Montand always looked like like a Bloodhound, Edward G. Robinson always sounded like one, and Bob Cummings was sniffing like one throughout the movie.
Many years ago the perfesser was asked a question about an exercise item in his lowest-level developmental English class, about apostrophe’s — his second-most favorite punctuation after semicolon’s. The item was in fact ambiguous but not atypically so in those way-overpriced developmental texts, where there were many dubious ‘test’ examples along with incorrect answers available to the students, thus re-inforcing their sorry formal learning experiences. It was too frequent not to be a publishing conspiracy. Evil bastids. The sentence was something like ‘Some of the trees bark was damaged’, and the student was asposed to put an apostrophe in the correct place. Of course even a guy like Fowler or Strunk could stumble with plural possessive’s, plus you’re not allowed to use two apostrophe’s for possession (not to be confused with the double genitive).
The perfesser was raised on robbery’s rules of order and Jazz, so he went to the green blackboard and (like ABBA’s Björn) thinking while composing, wrote the following:
A tree’s bark and a dog’s bark are not the same.
A tree’s bark is rough; a dog’s bark is ruff.
Trees have roots but dogs have pedigrees.
It’s fun to walk through trees’ leaves, yet it’s awful to step in what a dog leaves.
And if you bark up the wrong tree you might get stumped.
;o)
‘…apostrophe’s —
his second-most favorite punctuation aftersemicolon’s. Stop that; yer makin’ me crazy.Double genetive: sounds like a congenital disease, or at least abnormality.
New rules seem to be now for possessives ending in S, though. When I was a young lad, you often added an apostrophe s, now some make it James’ house, not James’s house. Fuck em, I say. Mrs. Heidorf had a paddle in 6th grade. I learnt it HER way (got paddled once, too.) ‘Not Guilty!’ herself shrieked.
We agree, and rec’d.