I know it seems like a silly question.
First up is a video of 60 Minutes looking into the booming medical marijuana industry in Colorado that aired on Sunday night. It’s mainly for background, but most of it’s seriously cool.
“Deputy Attorney General James Cole has told US Attorneys not to waste resources prosecuting patients or caregivers that are in clear compliance with state medical marijuana laws.” [snip]
“Each case is gonna rise and fall on its own unique facts. Any of that is still in violation of the Controlled Substance Act of the federal law. We’re not interested in bothering people who are sick and are using it at the recommendation of a doctor. We are concerned who are using it as a pretext to become large-scale drug dealers.”
Soon after the segment previewed, a CBS affiliate had a piece online including this video with an outtake of James Cole speaking that didn’t make it into the segment that was aired in which he was asked directly what the DoJ would do if Colorado voters approve Amendment 64 in November:
“I think our posture is the same as it’s always been. That we’re going to take a look at whether or not there are dangers to the community from the sale of marijuana and we’re going to go after those dangers,” Cole said.
I just found this News Nation video with Ryan Grimm of HuffPo as well:
The Ballot Title and Submission Clause say:
“Shall there be an amendment to the Colorado constitution concerning marijuana, and, in connection therewith, providing for the regulation of marijuana; permitting a person twenty-one years of age or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana; providing for the licensing of cultivation facilities, product manufacturing facilities, testing facilities, and retail stores; permitting local governments to regulate or prohibit such facilities; requiring the general assembly to enact an excise tax to be levied upon wholesale sales of marijuana; requiring that the first $40 million in revenue raised annually by such tax be credited to the public school capital construction assistance fund; and requiring the general assembly to enact legislation governing the cultivation, processing, and sale of industrial hemp?”
Here is the full text. Oregon and Washington also have recreational reefer legalization on the ballot.
Most coverage announces that Cole’s statements ‘represent a big departure from Obama’s silence on the matter. Well, yes, given that he even had a television ad in which some stoners representing teevee’s Harold and Kumar, and expressing his Hope that they’re on board, cuz ‘we have to get this right”, tra la la…. His DoJ has cracked down hard on MMJ dispensaries in some states, but in CO, they have mainly pressed the federal ‘1000 feet from schools’ laws for drug activity that increases a regular bust to a greater crime; about ten years’ worth if I remember correctly (don’t count on it).
MSNBC quotes Ethan Nadelmann of the Drug Policy Alliance, which has helped fund legalization initiatives as saying, “Compared to what they did two years ago in California, to have their federal posture be essentially a wait-and-see approach is encouraging” and
“I think it is pretty clear from this video that the Obama administration won’t take any legalization measure lying down,” Kevin Sabet, a former adviser to Gil Kerlikowske, the Obama administration’s drug policy director, said in an email.”
So, my guess is that no matter which corporate candidate is elected, if any of the three states vote for legalization, things are going to get pretty dicey.
The New American website has extensive information on the issues that will likely be in play (my bold):
“In 2008, even the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government to stop its anti-medical marijuana campaign in California, correctly citing constitutional restrictions on federal power. The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, or to the people.” The ACLU is still involved in the fight.
Because the federal government has been delegated no legitimate authority in terms of prohibition — that’s why a constitutional amendment was required to ban alcohol — experts say states are standing on solid ground. However, that does not mean that the Obama administration will not fight to stop voters from defying the federal government by legalizing marijuana, especially because it could pave the way for more nullification successes in the future.
Drug warriors including former DEA bosses and White House “drug czars” have expressed vehement opposition to the initiatives, urging President Obama — he has admitted consuming marijuana — to publicly speak out, partly because legalization would supposedly violate United Nations treaties. So far, however, the administration, despite a ruthless war on medical cannabis in recent years that drew bipartisan ire, has refused to comment on the upcoming legalization proposals.”
The author mentions the numerous law enforcement groups that have rallied behind the initiatives as well, and says that leading the charge on that front is a non-profit organization made up of police officers, judges, prosecutors, correctional workers, and other criminal justice professionals known as Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). The National Black and Latino Police Groups Announce Endorsements for Amendment 64 have their own webpage supporting legalization in CO; just imagine how disproportionately black and Hispanic people are imprisoned for non-violent drug ‘crimes’.
All of the coverage assumes Obama will be re-elected; but Mitt Romney still sees MJ as a gateway drug, and opposes all use, so the battles will commence no matter who’s elected (unless a miracle upset happens, of course). ;o) Point of interest: Ron Paul campaigned on leaving the decision to the states.
I want to be able to grow it (jayzus, what a beautiful plant it is), and for everyone in our state to be able to grow both indica and sativa species as well as agricultural hemp. And I want the nation to legalize it, and end the incarceration of far too many brought to us by the corporate prison industrial complex. An end to the phony ‘drug war’ could only be a boon to the nation economically and would sincerely decrease the violence both on the borders and in inner cities, imo.
Full disclosure: a Doctor approved me for medical marijuana about a month ago for hurtin’ fer certain; it helps some days, and any help is…very welcome, and kinda fun. Even when I still hurt, I don’t care quite as much that I do, if you can catch my drift. The joint salves really do seem to help, too. I could probably think of more good reasons in favor of legalization, but…I’m kinda high. (j/k)




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As you point out, assuming O is remanded back to the White House, several things leap up onto the table. Neither the White House nor the DOJ has kvetched about CO’s threat (haha) to supersede the current federal narcotics classification for EmJay. So Ol’ Poker Man would be rightfully accused of checking-and-raising, which is sometimes considered dirtier than dirty pool. Also, if it passes but isn’t implemented straight away (CO legislature has until July 2013 to fine-tune stuff?), what can the DOJ do? I mean, Shakespeare’s Brutus deserved his sorry fate because he killed Caesar for what Caesar might later do, not for whatever he’d been doing, right? I’d guess all the DOJ could do prior to the first ‘lawful’ sale or cultivation would be to try to restrain with an injunction, and that would make it a federal case. So, here’s hoping wendydavis gets nominated to the Supreme Court and is confirmed 100-0.
If this amendment passes in CO it will be interesting to see how the Feds crush it. With MM in CA they waited a few years and then bankrupted the dispensers with tax law manipulation. I imagine that tactic will be used again against the other states who have passed MM laws resently and these new pot sellers.
Commercial hemp production is a great idea but the first large growers will face losing their crop to the Feds like the Sioux Tribe did when they tried to grow a crop a few years ago. I doubt that growers will be able to get crop insurance from anyone.
If you use MM under state license you are considered a drug addict by the Feds and cannot legally buy a gun and a drug test for pot is required for longterm opiate painkiller prescriptions now, test positive and no painkillers can be prescribed.
I am overjoyed that Colorado is going of Industrial Hemp too: That can lead to complete Economic Conversion.
O’s been running a very cynical game over MMJ and MJ legalization, yes. Reminds me of so many half-gifts, like the ‘modified Dream Act’ gift.
Seems that the amendment if passed, would require the state legislature to work it out, but…who knows what even might happen at that level to bog stuff down? But thanks for looking toward the hard pre-emptive strikes (or not).
Lol on the wd for SCOTUS; we tend to forget there really aren’t any requirements for knowledge of The Law. How many in Congress are/were attorneys? Just so. Laws are written to be inscrutable, aren’t they?
In CA I think they even seized the properties of the owners who freaking rented to dispensaries; that’s even more sick and cold.
and hoo-boy, thanks for the reminder of the Feds burning or whatever the Lakota hemp crop. Although First Americans are seen now as COINTELPRO-style objects of potential terrorism. The stuff going on in the Tohono O’odom lands is a big national secret (border drone bases at Ft. Huachuca, etc.)
Thank you, wayoutwesst, for the info on MMJ card holders/users and guns and prescription opiates; didn’t know any of that.
But yes; it will likely get pretty ugly, not to mention supremely hypocritical.
The hemp products are limitless, and the plants, as far as I know, will grow well within permaculture protocols. Pretty cool, normanb.
Hope you are well given all you’ve experienced.
Another excellent diary, wendydavis.
You brought together interesting information and pose astute questions.
I’m gonna riff off AitchD and say that Obysmal’s tenure has been one massive check-raise. I don’t expect any mellowing of him post election when he becomes completely unaccountable. Expect the worst.
Of course the DOJ will sue. They’re not prosecuting the crooks on Wall Street so they’ve got all those lawyers with nothing else to do.
too much money local police will lose if MJ is legalized. the Prison industry will also raise hell. the War on Blacks/Drugs will be under attack.
there is no way legal MJ will ever happen. too much money in the Prison/Police/anti black consortium.
if blacks ever get the right to vote, god forbid what would happen to America. lol
The Empire is watching and will lash back at the “appropriate” time and place like it did in California.
When I live in ZA, I believed MJ plants only grew 6″ high. After that height they vanished.
MJ was both legal & illegal in ZA at the time.
and was $5.00/Kg.
Woo-Hoo, wendy…! Front-paged again…! Luv’s ya, M’dear…! ;-)
Well…I kinda admitted it was a no-brainer. OBomba, pitchforks, Bank Fraudsters, yada, yada. Turns out, that time, he didn’t lie.
Thanks, kafka.
Amen, wendy…! It’s one of the most versatile plants on the entire planet…! This is one use that’s never mentioned either… Hempcrete…
Not that familiar with poker (asking ‘what beats what?’ around here immediately disqualifies you from a seat at the table), but I think I get your drift. Colorado was the first state to legalize abortion, so…I’m hopeful.
Oh, Lord love a duck. I just googled for the most recent polls, and ran into the new ‘Amendment 64 theme song’ at Huffpo. (Kinda wish I hadn’t, lol!) (Beatles rolling over in their graves…sorry, Paul, if ya helped write it.)
So many tax dollars have been collected, though. And there’s the whole ‘jury nullification angle (loved that the Boulder DA said so, my stars).
Okay, I’m a dreamer. But the states rights issues could be extraordinary, no? And the ‘no legal leg to stand on’ the ACLU cites.
South Africa, Synoia? How interesting. Did the plants vanish because they were confiscated or jacked for use?
Damn, they’re beautiful, and even make beautiful bouquets. Dunno if deer like them; I’ll have to check. At least for now I can grow six for home use, and (arrgh) Mr. wd, as my ‘caregiver’ has been asking about buying some starts (clones, I guess they’re called) at the dispensaries.
Tuttle! Isn’t that nice? Given ‘Just say now’, it makes some sense.
Mahalo, and let us know about the beautiful babby and an EEG, okay? (I’m not too bad at raising money here; not *great*, but not bad, either. ;o)
Goodness, that’s a new one on me. I’ll need to google hurds, though. Maybe seed shells?
Imagine the storybooks: The old woman who lived in the hemp house by the Golden River and told fortunes…
Yer too kind, M’dear…! I would like to chat with ya on the side tho, do you have my email addy…?
As a once and hopefully future cultivator, may I offer my all-time favorite Guess-What-It’s Really-About jingle?
Nopers; if you post it here, I’m pretty sure I can delete it (‘finally figure it out’, she sayed hopefully). But I think I have to flag your comment to do it.
Or else you could just spell it out in Hawaiian… Or pig-Latin (she groks that okay).
…X 2
Expect the worse.
Wisdom both truthful and sage.
B.Obama 2.0 will be all that B.Obama 1.0 was not being to win the WH again in 11/12 would not allow it.
As the Not Nice Witch in 1939 movie classic “The Wizard of Oz” put it …”all in good time my pretty…all in good time” along with the cautionary how to do it bit about doing it “delicately” as the Not Nice Witch expressed it…indeed … expect the worse……
Check your inbox or junkbox. ;o)
I would presume ya got it down, M’dear…! Good job, M’dear…! ;-)
Too lovely, my friend. Which was (tingle tingle) ‘Good morning, Mr. Leach; have ya had a busy day?’
Fook if I know; let me know. Sent a rufous hummingbird, all gilded up in his party clothes.
Can’t think he won’t rationalize that he ‘has an incredible mandate’ to move further into conservative territory and austerity.
Not even spam, M’dear…!
I’d forgotten the 0; bugger. ;o)
Let me just sing out in accord with Hempcrete: The manufacture of standard cement alone causes 2% of the world’s Global Warming every year. The Hemp used in Hempcrete structures is made largely of Carbon [Dioxide] extracted from the atmosphere. If we were serious about Global Warming we would insist that cement manufacture be replace with Hempcrete manufacture. I am. I do.
Seniors and the AARP should be on board for mj legalization.
My 80 year-old mother-in-law was recently here for a visit and, after listening to her discuss her aliments for a week, I can probably pass the boards in internal medicine.
This old woman has had terrible reactions to legal prescription drugs and can’t touch Budweiser anymore.
At one point, she said, “There is a pain everywhere – if I could just get out of this body.”
I immediately thought, “you need to get high”, and suggested she check out medical mj. A look of surprise and disgust came upon her face. I did make some headway when I pointed out that she has experienced how dangerous legitimate prescription drugs are and she knows how many people die each year from alcohol – no one has ever died of mj.
The AARP gets kickbacks from Big Pharma and Insurance, which is why, side-by-side with Obama, they fought tooth-and-nail against meaningful healthcare reform/
She could try the no-high pain pills, but it’s probably not all that likely, is it? In CO docs can write scripts for those for AIDS patients and folks going through chemo and other treatments.
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(googled, and in 2011 only 31% of seniors supported legalization) I do hope the teevee ads are better than the one with the creepy cover of the Beatles tune, though.
‘Fakin’ it’, t’was. ;o)
Bugger, though; Giants beat the Tigers 2-0.
Interesting video I just watched. It was billed as ‘Lawrence O’Donnell encourages voting third party’. I was pretty blown away, given it was O’Donnell. Great stuff until the end…’if you live in a swing state…you might tip the vote the wrong way…’ No chance to ask what the wrong way would be.
I’m not sure how the Feds “sue” any state over this.
Don’t the measures amount to, essentially, a state’s passive resistance or simply withdrawing from nearly all enforcement on its own? A state can also refuse to either oppose or assist the Feds in any way during Fedenforcement activities.
Yet one weapon remaining in the Fed’s hands would be to curtail Fed funding for a host of things a state might want. So it could be economic warfare.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Maybe enough states with decriminalization, legalization, and medical MJ laws will create a critical mass, and the Feds stance will eventually pop like a balloon. The political process, not courts, would take credit. Who knows?
I’m not sure why the ‘sue the state of Colorado’ has been used so often, maa8722. The American Interest voters guide article I linked to poses a lot of possible scenarios in which the feds could act to effectively neutralize legal access or even large scale farming.
The sentence about ‘“preempting” components of the legalization that positively conflict with the Federal Controlled Substances Act in regard to licensing, etc. may apply.
Seizing the taxes generated in the name of ‘criminal profiteering’ or close; seizing properties of stores or operations (as happened so often in CA); as you say, punishing by withholding federal funds.
Dunno if they might federalize state or local LEO, or it would be enough just to swing a load of DEA agents to CO cities and bust people or operations or not. All of depends on what they really intend to do.
The authors imagine it would take a huge budgetary increase to really shut it all down. I dunno; there’s always plenty of money for war and security state fascism.
Great questions; thank you.
Just for the record for NSA.
“I never inhaled”/s
That said, Glenn Greenwald had an interesting study of MJ legalization in Portugal. Just a quick drive-by but may post a link later.
Glad that you are finding relief from whatever has been paining you. Quality of life takes a huge hit beneath chronic pain, which many don’t understand lest they experience it themselves. Sad to say, but few have the means to place themselves in the shoes of another.
It will be interesting to see what the DOJ does in response. Interesting, because a large percentage of the population are in favor of its legalization … where is the tipping point on this issue, as on so many other things, I wonder? Sooner or later….
rec’d.
I just light a bud and breathe in./ns ;o)
This one from 2009 perhaps, JClausen? Another?
Only kinda/sorta so far, but thank you, bootsie. It sounds as though it’s familiar to you as well. Not much to recommend it, for certain. (builds character: so whattaya gonna do with all that character?) ;o)
50% do, I believe (polls may vary).
Even in this county, all the while local LEOs write scathing letters to the editor, and lie continually about crime rates going up and all that…the Man on the Street interview being the only interesting part of the Cortez newspaper: 4 out 6 interviewed said yeppers, they support legalization. One said ‘whatever happens…happens. ;o)
And this is the redneckest of redneck counties, and three of them were retired seniors. That told me a lot about how little threat folks see in it any longer.
Keeping the drug-war racketeering going is Big Corporate Business by now though.
Nice to see you, dear one. Keep walkin’ and talkin’ and singin’.
We keep hearing about “legalizing marijuana for recreational use”, but what it really appears to be is an attempt to legalize marijuana as a far safer alternative to alcohol.
According to the CDC, alcohol kills 80,000 people every year in the U.S. while marijuana kills none, and marijuana’s addiction potential is only about that of coffee.
Since marijuana is far safer and far less addictive than alcohol, we could GREATLY reduce the amount of harm and addiction in society by giving people the right to switch from the more harmful drug, alcohol, to the less harmful drug, marijuana.
Paranoid old men are keeping marijuana illegal and making our children LESS safe.
A few random off-topic thoughts that don’t seem to fit anywhere else:
Back in the time of the Carter years (and for decades later) reefer was the single largest cash crop in the US, i.e., US-grown reefer. Yeah, it got expensive by then. Coincidentally (hahaha), the annual underground/black market economy for all illicit drugs more or less equalled the annual federal deficit, when it was still hundreds of millions. Dunno, but that sounds like a lot of cash money was leaving the legit economy (going to Mexico like old Chevys, to France, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Colombia, etc., instead of being spent here, aka GNP revenue.
Every year like clockwork, around August/September, northern California had their huge wildfires, which I recall reading in some underground rag had been set by the US Army, to destroy the large pot plantations there around harvest time. Yeah, those locals were interfering with the ‘international drug trade’.
If pot is legal like alcohol, and if its being available renders the addictive hard drugs barely ‘needed’ or used, then what will the evil bastards contrive to ensure the abject wretchedness of the mass of people they want to keep wretched, craven, or locked away? Hmm?
Good points, jway. Not long ago I was looking for info on the pretty thoroughly discredited idea of marijuana ‘a gateway drug’. One of the largest studies in this country was done by the Rand folks, and what they discovered was that alcohol was far and away the gateway drug for kids. they did have sections on being predisposed to using any drugs, but it wasn’t all that complete.
The CO ballot initiative actually describes some mechanisms for police to decide whether someone is high enough to arrest; haven’t read the section, but it struck me as pretty funny. Having said that, I haven’t driven yet high on any of this stuff; people keep saying how much stronger it is than back in the day…sure smells stronger.
Sure can’t automatically subscribe to the CA wildfires being set by DEA agents, but I do remember them spraying fields with paraquat, wasn’t it? A hideous herbicide.
Yep, just checked, and the Feds were using it as late as 1988. Cripes. Wonder what they spray poppy fields in Afghanistan with? Or was the poppy-to-pomegrantes and wheat program a flop, and they gave up? One website has it that ISAF soldiers are guarding the fields… ;o)
But your last paragraph is confusing me (as per usual, lol). Given that oodles of Americans are on anti-anxiety meds, reefer calmness might seen to ‘taking the blue pill’. Hell, how do I know how their minds work? I dunno if they even *believe* it’s all that dangerous given the available data.
But I can’t think is really so: ‘…its being available renders the addictive hard drugs barely ‘needed’ or used…’ Explain or amplify? I’m trying to find nude male art for a new piece, and this is all purdy funny in terms of being dislocating. ;o)
I can’t explain any of it, but I can mention some history, like the so-called Opium Wars when Great Britain tried to subdue populations of the Orient. Or a 1960 Yale University study (Freudian analysis) of (needle) drug addicts and alcoholics, which pointed out a high proportion of weak or absent father figures in addicts’ families. Extrapolation: aid to dependent families (welfare as we knew it) wasn’t available if an ‘able-bodied’ male (parent) lived in the home; not unusually, many fathers lived away so the family could receive the aid (and of course there are endless permutations of other issues). And let’s try to keep in mind that post-postmodern ‘urban’ has replaced the postmodern ‘inner-cuty’ to avoid saying ‘ghetto’ instead of the pre-1970′s name for those places, ‘slums’. So (if it’s to be believed), built into the welfare system was the guarantee of wretchedness. Predictably, drug addicts and alcoholics would not generally become gainfully employed. As trash collectors (cf., August Wilson’s Fences).
1969 (pre-paraquat poison): Nixon’s Operation Intercept at the Mexican border, summertime. Everyone is stopped and searched coming across. Chaos. Effect: a complete pot drought. Consequence: a huge spike in heroin use (and addiction).
1980′s: CIA drug running (explained as a way to fund the illegal funding for the Contras). Crack being pushed into slum neighborhoods by CIA? Forget the name, but the San Jose News (?) reporter of that trafficking killed himself?
And, of course, the sentencing disparities during all that time between crack and cocaine convictions.
I can pretty much stipulate to the history you’ve named (except for the Nixon part at the borders), but I have a very hard time accepting that a dearth of reefer causing people to use hard drugs instead.
Crack I might believe just about anything about in terms of its being made abundant, cheap, and deadly. Don’t forget the entire ‘newborn crack addicts’ advertising that turned out to be bogus.
I dunno, AitchD; I’ll consider it, but blacks seem to use ganja less than whites, according to studies. Another myth, perhaps.
Yeah, O’s justice department would sue. O seems to have this strange bugaboo about weed. Look what he’s doing in, and to,
Mexico. I think his views on MJ are of a piece with is views on marriage equality. (It’s really icky but I gotta finally pretend I’m for it.) and pregnancy prevention for teenage girls. (I’ll be damned if I’ll let them just walk into a pharmacy and get a fuckin pill).
He’s a conservative. And conservatives are kind of…cruel.
And double, triple Bush’s deportation of immigrants from the south. The bone he threw Latinos was…a bone, imo. Funny, though, we seem to predict O will the President for a second term.
Mexico; what a bloody mess with gun stings, marijuana, drones on the border, friendly fire DEA deaths. Cripes. Thanks, arcadesproject.
You bet, wendydavis. I cannot get over how many people I once thought were liberal/progressive, are willing to lick this guy’s spittle. It’s always heartening to meet someone who won’t follow him over the cliff.