Writing at the Guardian, Karen McVeigh says that there is burgeoning outrage over army Lt Col Marion Carrington’s recent statement to the Military Times that troops assisting Afghan police forces were on the lookout for “children with potential hostile intent”. (my bolds throughout)
… Carrington told the Marine Corp Times that children, as well as “military-age males”, had been identified as a potential threat because some were being used by the Taliban to assist in attacks against Afghan and coalition forces.
“It kind of opens our aperture,” said Carrington, whose unit, 1st Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, was assisting the Afghan police. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”
Another unnamed ‘Marine official’ questioned the original New York Times account of three children, Borjan, 12, Sardar Wali, 10, and Khan Bibi, 8, from Helmand province in October, as having been gathering dung for fuel as they were killed by a drone rocket strike.
However, the US official claimed that, before they called for the strike on suspected insurgents planting improvised explosive devices, marines had seen the children digging a hole in a dirt road and that “the Taliban may have recruited the children to carry out the mission”.
Well, digging holes; there you have it: iron-clad innuendo, eh? Worth killing with impunity.
McVeigh links to Human Rights Watch, ‘Taliban Should Stop Using Children as Suicide Bombers’ which says that evidence belies Mullah Omar’s pledge to protect women and children.
The United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan has collected evidence that the Taliban has been recruiting children ages 11 through 17 to carry out activities including armed combat, planting improvised explosive devices, and smuggling weapons across the Pakistan-Afghan border. The Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission confirms increasing use by the Taliban of child suicide bombers. The Afghan government has reported that as many as 100 children who were recruited as suicide bombers by the Taliban are in the custody of the National Directorate of Security.
HRW chronicles a number of suicide bombings by children as young as seven claiming that the Taliban had given them amulets containing verses from the Quran they said would protect them, but not their targets, from the blasts. Others were apparently threatened with mutilation unless they carried out a suicide bombing.
Who could argue that those actions by the Taliban would be not just disgusting, but evil? Children should never be tools of violence, for any number of reasons, including the fact that they’re too young to reason. Perhaps we can also agree that ‘the Taliban’ is now a catch-all term for anyone on ‘their side’ being considered as ‘working against US interests’.
Let’s hope McVeigh is right, and there IS increasing outrage at this ‘aperture opening’, and that it’s not policy, or de facto policy. Pardiss Kebriaei, senior attorney for the ACLU is troubled:
Under the rules of law you can only target civilians if they are directly participating in hostilities. So, here, this standard of presuming any military aged males in the vicinity of a war zone are militants, already goes beyond what the law allows.
When you get to the suggestion that children with potentially hostile intent may be perceived to be legitimate targets is deeply troubling and unlawful.
Ironically enough, former IDF Gazan legal adviser Amos Guiora, a law professor at the University of Utah specializing in counter-terrorism, says:
I have great respect for people who put themselves in harm’s way. Carrington is probably a great guy, but he is articulating a deeply troubling policy adopted by the Obama administration.
The decision about who you consider a legitimate target is less defined by your conduct than the conduct of the people or category of people which you are assigned to belong to … that is beyond troubling. It is also illegal and immoral. If you are looking to create a paradigm where you increase the ‘aperture’ – that scares me. It doesn’t work, operationally, morally or practically.
The definitions from the OBomba administration concerning who he, the CIA and Joint Special Operations (the Dark Army) chooses to assassinate have morphed significantly, from Moving in a Tactical Fashion, to deeming all males of military age reasonable or even desirable targets, including the ones retrieving bodies from earlier drone assassinations. The current alternative verbiage to ‘terrorist’ is now ‘militant’, a conveniently broad brush for either ‘anti-terrorism’ or ‘anti-insurgency’ tactics.
In an April speech at the Woodrow Wilson Center, OBomba’s anti-terrorism czar John Brennan made the case for a recent change in policy switching from the threshold of ‘imminent threat’ to ‘significant threat’, which essentially means ‘we think that person may do something against US interests. Of course, he also tried mightily to make the case that his boss’s drone program killing ‘al Qaeda’ is: within international law; ethical and conforms to the ‘necessity for national defense’ bar; proportional; distinctly targets ‘military objectives’ and minimizes civilian death; legal, and just. In regard to when and how it should be used, he says it’s better than ground wars or occupations, heh, and that ‘none of this is casual’. Then:
Still, there is no more consequential a decision than deciding whether to use lethal force against another human being, even a terrorist dedicated to killing American citizens. So in order to ensure that our counterterrorism operations involving the use of lethal force are legal, ethical and wise, President Obama has demanded that we hold ourselves to the highest possible standards and processes.
This reflects his approach to broader questions regarding the use of force. In his speech in Oslo, accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, the president said that all nations, strong and weak alike, must adhere to standards that govern the use of force. And he added: Where force is necessary, we have a moral and strategic interest in binding ourselves to certain rules of conflict. And even as we confront a vicious adversary that abides by no rules, I believe the United States of America must remain a standard-bearer in the conduct of war. That is what makes us different from those whom we fight. That is a source of our strength.
“Every empire, however, tells itself and the world that it is unlike all other empires, that its mission is not to plunder and control but to educate and liberate.”
~ Edward W. Said
Bizzarely, imo, then he goes on at length about their awareness that the US is now setting “establishing precedents that other nations may follow, and not all of those nations will be nations that share our interests or the premium we put on protecting human life, including innocent civilians. So…they’re focusing on morality, responsibility, care in choosing targets, reviewing standards, yada, yada.
Will a reporter ever ask him or Leon Panetta about targeting children whom they might believe are militantly working against US interests? What percentage of Americans polled would support the drone killing of children if the poll added that they were acting with potential (sic) hostile intent’? Frankly, I shudder to think how many would.
In related news from RT:
The private military company Academi — formerly Blackwater and, more recently, Xe — is the proud winner of a no-bid contract that will keep them profiting off Uncle Sam’s wars for the next few years. Under a deal first reported by Wired.com’s Danger Room, Academi will assist the recently created US Special Operations Joint Task Force–Afghanistan with housing facilities and office space on their massive 10-acre compound in Kabul named Camp Integrity.
According to Danger Room reporter Spencer Ackerman, Academi won the rights to lease Camp Integrity to the special ops team through May 2015, providing accommodations for some 7,000 elite troops.
“Humanism is the only – I would go so far as saying the final- resistance we have against the inhuman practices and injustices that disfigure human history.”
~ Edward W. Said
Get the US the hell out of Afghanistan. Stop drone killings in Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan…where over 200 children have been killed by American drones, as have many, many other civilians.
Just as an aside, this news didn’t cause anger in me so much as sadness, and the concomitant bit of depression. I decided that I’d need to compartmentalize a bit in order to even write it up. I want to say that I was aided when I went to search flickr.com for this particular photo that I’d used before. The boy looks like one of my grandsons, and so pulls at my heart even more. Most all the photos of Afghani kids were taken by…you’ve got it, ISAF forces. I refuse to use those, and it pissed me off seeing the kids with troops. Anger was preferable to grief, iow.
Photo by Lauras Eye under Creative Commons license.




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This would seem to me to be the end of the end game in all wars – when the invading force has overcome whatever repugnance it may have had against targetting civilians and considers that even the children are terrorists; when the indigenous force has reached the nadir of its own defenses in employing said children to harass the invaders.
We saw it in Iraq. There, the carnage extended to families out in their cars not stopping for whatever reason at the enforced checkpoints and being mowed down by rifle fire. To bystanders rushing to help when something from the sky fell onto a group of kids or an old man or woman fossicking in some debris. To families sleeping safe in their homes whose doors were kicked in during the night and they all slaughtered in their beds.
Children. This is the slaughter of the innocents decreed by Herod to eliminate the one that would replace him. And the wise men, when they heard of this, went home by a different way.
We need to go home by a different way.
With the caveat that we don’t know how widespread this metric is, it’s sincerely sick to even make announcements that it’s reasonable to presume the guilt of a child’s ‘violence potential against the US’…and consider murder as a cure. I was at least somewhat heartened by the comments at the Military Times.
Yes, the night raids with killings and renditions this administration (and Brennan) pretend they’ve stopped, but only redefined…has recruited far more to ‘militancy’ than they can kill by drone. Insupportable.
We need to go home a different way, which means: stopping the rain.
Thank you, juliania. Hard stuff to hear, harder to bear.
Got to give this a big RECOMMENDATION.
Ten years of lies and assassins and drones. And it comes to killing children. This is what General Petraeus and General Allen have given us as they party with posers and military contractors.
It is a never ending bloody failure that the war profiteers plan to continue after 2014.
Cripes, Frank33; I’d thought we were almost at the end of eleven years. The new commander in Afghanistan tells the SASC:
I love a parade.
The genesis was established by FDR, formalized by Truman, enforced by Ike (‘I Kill Everyone’), and cemented with the Carter Doctrine.
Even if the US eliminates the unitary POTUS office (which is our first, best hope), Obama will still rank among the top-50 US presidents. Not too shabby for a rookie.
Noted white people humorist Praise TBoww! sez ho hum, you forgot that these aren’t Obamamerican children, or even Bassett hounds, just Moslemic child terrorists, so fire away.
Another, heart wrenching post, wendydavis.
It is a bitter moment to realize they are killing to instill terror in a version of the legendary free-fire zones.
Recommended.
Top 50 how, AitchD?
Did he say that, or even imply it, UCT1? Oh: I forgot. Here I’d just been pontificating about how many good American citizens wouldn’t give a royal fuck about it. Thanks for proving my point, and for reading and caring.
Glad I left The Big Tent. Too Many Bassets./s
Some time back I wrote a post from my imagined viewpoint of a kid out with his family’s sheep…all alone and far from home, hearing the bzzzz of a drone approaching. Frozen into immobility, maybe peeing his pants in helpless dread, unable to even make it back to his village to see for whom it had come.
Imagine. Who are the terrorists? Oh; we’re the Good Guys cuz we assassinate with scrupulous review, and only a few at a time. Sick bastards.
Dunno, but this 2024 date sounds about right:
But hey; OBomba will have ‘extricated us’ from another war, eh? Like he takes credit for in Iraq. Such hooey.
Thanks for caring and reading, Tom Thumb. You’ve been doing good posts lately; sorry I’ve had no words.
He’s the 44th man to hold the office, I don’t think more than 2 or 3 will be elected before it’s abolished. What do you think?
Please forgive an addle-pated old crone half asleep for missing your barbed humor; I really do need to hitch-hike the waste management truck one day soon.
I keep trying to remember who first noted that OBomba isn’t simply the most effective evil as per Glen Ford, but the necessary evil. Maybe Otto Grendel, but whoever said it made a good case, as I remember. Since I can’t remember, I flip through a lot of mind pictures to paste into that truth, and find far too many.
Thank you, and again: sorry I missed the absurdity. Ye gods and little fishes, but I’d hoped never to have to look at him again. At this point, his smile makes my skin crawl.
Rec’d.
I think that’s about right. If that many.
Good job, Wendy. Recc’d.
Thank you, wigwam.
Thanks, Barbarian. How about a verse or two of ‘Swing Low, Sweet Chariot’ for the MOTUs and the political class that serves them so ably on their way to fame and fortune?
Rec’d. Getting to be a bad habit. :)
What I know is that there are cities in which kids are shot by the police because the police “felt threatened”. A part of it is assumptions of danger (and realities). Another part of it is the ambiguity of decision-making when confronted quickly–is that a toy gun or his daddy’s automatic that that 8-year-old kid is holding pointing at me. Another part of it is flat-out racism. And having to make decisions under fear (the dirty little secret of macho guys is that they are scared to wetting their pants–but that is part of the thrill of the job).
From the article, it is clear that US soldiers are killing kids. I’m not sure that “targeting” quite gets at it. Targeting makes it seem like the CO orders “go out and kill 10 kids today”. What they are doing is not assuming that a kid is not dangerous. And given the nature of the things kids do, it is very easy to read a situation very wrong.
And if the US story is true and the Taliban are using kids to plant ordnance in roads, that tells that the Taliban are not willing to risk putting their troops in harms way. That is a sign of at least stalemate.
This is not making excuses. But the original mistake was thinking that an imperial power with the moral pretensions of the US can fight a counterinsurgency in someone else’s country without being Roman army, Nazi, Red Guard draconian in the suppression of the people. Because it is either ineffective or produces revulsion on the home front. Once the original mistake is made, it is almost inevitable that kids will be targeted. And the longer it goes on, the easier it is for troops who have kids of their own to shoot other peoples’ kids.
After watching 47 years of this movie, I am outraged out. And having known Vietnam vets and Iraq vets and their stories, I am not inclined to get on my moral high horse about it.
This situation is built into the way the US fights wars today, which is built into the US expectation that war is the primary tool of international relations, which is built into the fact that when you spend half a trillion a year on national security institutions you feel like that money is going to waste if you don’t use them somehow. Which is as bassackwards a way to conduct foreign relations as austerity is to end a depression.
Refrain: It’s time to tear down those 65-year-old national security institutions and start over. (Title: Half a trillion dollar hammer looking for a nail)
I’m good with that habit, THD. ;o)
I agree that bullies are fear-based, the swagger and power are their covers. And yes on automatic reactions; guts react in milliseconds, reasoning can take up to three or four seconds. And yes to all the rest, except:
I think Carrington saying, ‘it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”…
and:
It’s amazing how the worse case interpretation of “may” and “might” can lead folks to do terrible things.
This cold makes me fuzzy-headed. I went back to the article and the Guardian is using “targeted” all over the page. So you are correct.
I found this interesting:
Carrying is not not placing. And there is no sense that they are being used for suicidal missions.
And rocket strike is not necessarily a drone strike. There are conventional small rockets that most army units have as part of their artillery, not to mention shoulder-fired rockets. And if they are rockets, they can likely locate a target based on GPS coordinates.
Also, this is exactly the issue:
There is a built-in bias that if you are a youth or a kid in an insurgent area that you are in fact an insurgent. Much of US tactics in Vietnam were built on this sort of thinking.
There have been patrols over the past three years (and likely since day one) who have made the same kinds of assumptions about kids. And killed them with rifles or from helicopter gun ships. We should not let a focus on drones obscure the effect of more conventional weapons.
and Dick Cheney and his spawn live
world upside down
reccd
Recc’d wendydavis. Begs the question of, “who are we?”
Caught serious flack from conservatives at a neighboring town meeting for not joining in the pledge of allegiance to dawg and
flagpony last week. Asked two of them if they were really proud of 800K to 1M children in Iraq who are without one or both parents in response. Then asked them if they visited or donated to the local food pantry lately.Recc’d. Thanks wendydavis.
“Every empire tells itself and the world that it is unlike all other empires, that its mission is not to plunder and control but to educate and liberate.”
That’s always been a lie. We don’t need an American empire, we need an American peace train.
Reject the empire. Imperialism in all of its forms is death. Peace is life.
Come and join the living,
It’s not so far from you,
And it’s getting nearer,
Soon it will all be true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLG91tOLPdQ
Sorry to hear you have a cold, THD; I remember they can be miserable, especially when your head feels like a pressure cooker ready to pop its cork (weight).
As I’d remembered it, and just checked, the three kids were said to have been killed ‘by an ISAF airstrike’. I suppose it could have been a plane or maybe even a helicopter, but I wouldn’t have thought that would have been the same kind of ‘seeing’, which I’d reckoned was sat imagery, as chronicled in the Terror Tuesday sit room teleconferences. Silly brain just gets hold of images, and they’re hard to shake. It’s true that drones have haunted me for years, so your warning is one to heed. White phosphorus and depleted uranium are the others that do me in, though cluster bombs, especially videos, are among the top ten horrors for me. ;o)
An emphatic ‘yes’ to the quote you highlighted!
Remember, too, the added fright of the Vietnamese living in tunnels underground…never knowing when they might pop up. Any sound might be worth shooting at, and any person might be Viet Cong.
No, no, sadly yes; this is a Democratic administration!
(thanks for reading and for the rec, dear.)
Ah, sweetie; how brave of you! It’s a fine distinction as to who ‘we’ or ‘they’ are by now; I struggle with that a bit, and could likely argue either side of the equation. But there needs to be a point where either *we* stop this, or some outside force does; I can envision a few different scenarios, some of them more *realistic* than others. Nice to see you, and again, good on you.
I’ll be your audience ran down and gave food to the pantry, or at least we can hope.
Ah…Yusef. It will sound hard to believe, but I almost used another version of that, but decided against it because I may use it almost too often. Thank you for bringing it, and understanding that peace fueled by love or acceptance, in the end, is our only possible hope.
Is it silly to believe it’s coming, that we really are on the cusp of a great shift in consciousness globally? I think I believe both because some days I feel it, and some days I just need to believe.
All my best, Isaiah 88.
You know, like your diaries, it really doesn’t take any bravery at all, it merely requires honesty to oneself. A little preparation, knowledge and conviction helps immensely though. Facts confound some people.
I prefer “We Got the Guillotine,” by The Coup, but that’s me.
Heh; I agree with both you and HotFlashCarol; I was waxing more ‘in the natural order’ death. ;o)
Yes, and you make a good point about being prepared. Going into a situation which may need some counter-argument is best. For me, when I’m jolted by that for which I was unprepared, I react viscerally too often, and forget to reason out loud, offering thoughts that might be convincing to those of a whole ‘nother persuasion.
When I get attacked on posts (not simply disagreed with), I do very poorly for that reason, at least too often, though I am trying to learn. ;o)
True story: we are not religious, so brought up our kids pretty ecumenically, celebrating at least minimally all the major religious holidays, even if we did tend to go to more First American ceremonies…
But it left our children open to proselytizing and conversion, and parents would often invite our kids to church with them. One Sunday our then nine-year-old son came home sputtering about the Church of Christ minister laying buckets of hate on gays. Apparently our Jordan stood up in the middle of the service and denounced the hatred! Such courage…no…not courage: conviction…it took!
The conviction and truthful innocence of children. Exactly why we feel so desperately helpless for them sometimes and why we are compelled to speak.
Thanks wendydavisfullofheart (changed your name a bit there) ;-)
Well and truly said, nonquixote.
Too often it’s: wendydaviscorazonespinado, though. I melted down a bit yesterday, but am recovering with a little help from my friends, both human and meditative/musical. ;o)
No, no; the video lyrics say ‘abused heart’; I know it as ‘pierced heart’, very different.
If you have sailed upon water, the third to the last still photo (ribbon tied on a cable) in the slide-show video is a wind indicator, a tell-tale, as in tell-tale heart or, you don’t need a weatherman to know which way your heart aches. I get Santanaized regularly.
Peace and Resolve.
I hate these Goddam fucking wars! I’ve been saying this now since 1991. 21 Goddam fucking years of seeing us go down this insane path. Only took us 18 months after the downfall of the USSR to unveil our true inner empire.
Thank you, wendydavis, for the kind of diary I’ve learned
to expect under your name!
During the preparations in the U.S.A. for the First
World War, it was warned that the militarists wanted
to “Prussianize” the country, remaking it in the image
of the supposedly arch-villain the Kaiser.
Now its “opening the aperture” to intentionally target
children — not to mention the ones “collaterally”
killed by drones.
This goes hand in hand with a vigilante mentality
endorsed by no other than Barack Obama himself. When
interviewed about the assassination of Osama bin Laden
shortly after this unconstitutional act, he remarked
that any of us who didn’t think the victim “deserved to
die” should have their heads examined.
That’s simply not how killings in legitimate
self-defense are justified. The one valid argument is
“absolute necessity” — that the person, whether a
perpetrator of genocide or an innocent victim of
insanity, posed an imminent theft to human life and
simply couldn’t be restrained or subdued in any
nonlethal way that a reasonable person would recognize
at the time of the fateful decision.
And once “rules of engagement” license homicide in
revenge or for political convenience, children may be
next in line.
In moral philosophy, there is a term which fits child
soldiers who may coerced in various ways to take part
in lethal violence: “innocent aggressors.” And any
sane morality says that, even if such children are
indeed involved in military or terrorist operations,
as opposed to merely present in the area or digging
holes of unknown purpose, one must use all possible
means to avoid or minimize the risk of killing them.
Historically, your post reminds me of the “Electronic
Battlefield” campaign about 40 years ago in Vietnam
and bordering nations likewise emphasizing airborne
attacks and available high tech sensors as a
counterinsurgency strategy. The idea, of course, was
to minimize casualties for the U.S.A. and make the
killing of Asians more politically palatable.
That war also made “free-fire zone” a household word
for a policy simply presuming that anyone present in
an area may be treated as a “combatant” and killed.
Destroying the village in order to save it is, sadly,
still official bipartisan strategy. And it is also
destroying the regime of international humanitarian
law, including the Geneva Conventions, which is our
global immune system for the recognition of terrorist
conduct, whether by private parties or states.
Freddie Kreuger Kagan and Mrs Freddie Kreuger Kagan are just two members of the terrorist Kagan family. These chicken hawks have catapulted the propaganda for years. They probably are embedded in the secret war government. Government officials, such as the Kagans, now use the word “defeatism” describing opposition to their unpopular wars.
The secret war government has decided to continue the war against Afghan children. Certainly, Vickie Nuland Kagan, Mrs Robert Kagan is also making the decisions for more war. The disgraced Petraeus and the disgraced Kagans are closely embedded.
The Kagans and General Petraeus and their network of military contractors continue to win the information war. But their failures in real wars become even more epic.
Good morning, all. Lots to answer here, you’ve made me dig into some history. But for now, this AP story just came in on the Liberty Underground newsletter. Now I tried hard to be restrained in my reportage of the targeted children as I took time to work it through my system ahead of writing. But this news combines just about everything I loathe about war, including the Dark Prison at Bagram (Parwan), which after four years of promises by OBomba, the US still operates.
(In a in a report sent every four years to the United Nations in Geneva updating U.S. compliance with the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child):
US: 200 teens have been detained in Afghan war
Labeled ‘enemy combatants’, preventing them from returning to the battlefield, not charged with crimes, therefore, no legal counsel, etc.:
The authors quote Hamdi v. Rumsfeld: ‘”the law of armed conflict permits the United States to detain belligerents until the end of hostilities without charging such individuals with crimes, because they are not being held as criminals facing future criminal trial.”
And ask: how the fuck do you ever determine when the ‘hostilities end’ or the ‘End of the War’ is?
O, you lying dog Masters of War; do you think that you can ever buy back your souls?
Your comment caused me to go Wiki-ing the first Gulf War, ET, for a few reasons, but among others to see if I could find the name of the ad agency partially responsible for the propaganda that essentially sold the war to the public and a few holdout Congress-critters. April Glaspie’s name we’ll never forget, false stories of Iraqi forces massing at the border, possibly the 850,000 TONS of bombs that were rained down on Iraq, now we know full of depleted uranium, white phosphorus. Stormin’ Norman Schwarzkopf (for President! Booyah!).
Re: my question about human rights organizations, here’s something I never knew; from the ‘Justification’ section:
It started in ’90, apparently, and lasted a mere 7 weeks, if I’m reading right. Total press blackout, Smart Bomb Success, no coverage of the millions who marched. The knowledge of those bombs through me into my first ever depression, and I’ve tried to learn from that ever since.
Who said that propaganda is the art of convincing people of stuff they were predisposed to believe?
Thanks, Margo Schulter; lots in your comment that I didn’t know, one about the Prussianization theme, but I didn’t take the time to look into it. But the Electronic Battlefield was another, and I’ve only made it through a tenth of the info, not even understanding much of what i read. ;o) But my stars.
John Brennan tried to make hash of the concept you speak of with the illustration of Bin Laden’s killing; I’m sure he convinced his audience.
Thanks for the moral philosophy term ‘innocent aggressors’, and the corollary principle dictating that ‘one must use all possible
means to avoid or minimize the risk of killing them.’
Heh. I attempted to write my first poem on ‘Operation Geronimo’ here, and I’m sure it sucked, but it did serve to at least to act as a safety valve for some of the rage that threatened to blow up my brain then.
Thanks for the considered comment; I loved it.
So basically, what we’re going to need to do to “win” in Afghanistan is kill everyone: military-age men for obvious reasons, women because they can conceal any sort of weapon beneath those robes, and children because they can be persuaded to become weapons themselves.
This is Viet Nam all over again, and I saw what watching children kill and having to kill children themselves did to people who fought there. And just like Viet Nam, the whole damn mess is based on a lie.
Yikes, Frank33, the Giraldi piece is da bomb. I had no idea the Kagans were so central to the ‘neo-con entrepeneurs’ (great term, by the by). And until you’d said, I hadn’t known Vickie Nuland was Robert’s wife.
But to paraphrase, he’s right that it’s utterly obscene that these Lying Dogs of a Dog are allowed to spread such war propaganda in what pretends to be print ‘polite society’. I’ll bet they’re avidly sought for diplomatic parties, too. We hear Fareed Zakaria is as well (who by the way, apparently is now dialing back on his war lust).
“But their failures in real wars become even more epic.” Yes.
Defeatism: Reminded me of Nixon saying that ‘opposition to the war in Vietnam is the greatest single weapon…working against the US‘.
The long series of lies and justifications are more for public consumption, imo, gesneri, including (among others) appealing to Libruls that ‘we must stay for the women!’. It worked for Bill Moyers back in the day.
You’ll want to read Philip Giraldi’s piece Frank33 linked to; his take on what OBomba’s thinking is re: decreased occupation, etc. is interesting, though I’ll need to read it more carefully later. But it did cause me to flash on this piece by Anthony Freda.
It’s time to toast; I’m feeling a bit peckish. ;o)
fascism…
It may be true that some Afghani children are making war on US troops stationed in Afghanistan.
The primary legal-moral issue, however, is not whether these children are legitimate targets of American aggression but whether every American who served in the Afghanistan War and Occupation is a war criminal per se. The reason the latter takes precedence over the former? If the United States is guilty of the crime of waging aggressive war, as it most certainly is, then it alone is responsible for every death and all suffering produced by its war making. Since the people of Afghanistan never attacked the United States, they always have the right to defend themselves against the aggressor. This is a matter of international law and was invoked by Justice Jackson in his opening remarks to the Nuremberg Trials. Jackson also stated the obvious: “…whatever grievances a nation may have, however objectionable it finds the status quo, aggressive warfare is an illegal means for settling those grievances or for altering those conditions.” The 9.11 Attacks cannot justify the War in Afghanistan and the subsequent occupation. These attacks could never justify America’s actions even had the Taliban government ordered and executed the 9.11 attacks.
Is it a terrible deed to have children make war against the United States troops in Afghanistan? It surely is. But America is responsible for creating the Hell that made child soldiers and suicide bombers a practical response to an ongoing situation.
Front page, top of the page – now that’s what I call a Sunday sermon. Thank you, fdl.
“…It kind of opens our aperture,” said Carrington…”
If this statement isn’t blasphemy, I don’t know what is. To one who has borne many children, it is a calumny of the highest order to equate the expansion of the war effort to the very process in which a child comes into the world.
wendy, your photograph above is iconic. The child is crouched almost in a fetal position and he/she looks as if she/he is praying, though we know that is accidental. I have such a photo of a child of mine, only she is standing, looking prayerfully down at her cupped hands. She is not praying, however. She is looking at a tiny insect, invisible to us, that she has captured and will let go in the next moment.
I love this picture, as I love yours and the telling of the story about your 9 years old son standing up in church and defending the right. My calendar reading this Sunday tells of Jesus healing a bent woman to be standing straight on a Sunday, for which he is blamed by the ruler of the synagogue for ‘working’ on the Sabbath. His answer goes to the heart of the matter:
“You hypocrites!
Does not each of you on the sabbath untie his ox or his ass
from the manger and lead it away to water it?”
pagostino had yesterday an excellent thread focussing on what has become ‘the modern doctrine of the world.’ As wendy’s diary presents this doctrine, we can see very clearly that it is the doctrine of death.
You, gentlemen of the military,
HYPOCRITES!
Sorry I can’t edit, or I would correct ‘standing straight on a Sunday’ to read ‘standing straight on the Sabbath’. My bad for not being more careful.
Excellent point on “opening the aperture”.
My reading of it was that it was a photography metaphor about what you include in your seeing. But your reading of it is striking.
Yes, I think we can all agree that children should not be forced or tricked into waging violence, or being ‘innocent aggressors’ as per Margo Schulter. But yes, the root cause, to the extent which it may be happening, is an illegal war and occupation of choice based on lies, as was Iraq to an even greater degree. Afghanistan is already a failed state, held together only by bales of American money, and a government whose reach doesn’t extend past Kabul and Karzai’s putative friendship with the US Empire.
Thanks for the quote by Justice Jackson, too, szeilinski. To the Hague with all of them!
The CIA has for years favored the targeting of children on the premise that children of intellectual and ideological movement members will just grow up to continue the movement or insurgency.
Ah. Thank you, FDL; for many of us, this is an important part of the narrative of the grotesque nature of War Everlasting, and the negative spirals that are being caused by the desperation of knowing that there can be no ‘winning’ in Afghanistan, only Occupying it for its prisons, its
multi-billion dollar airfield/city at Bagram, its mineral/pipeline opportunities, the West’s dirty vision of The New Silk Road.
I hadn’t seen the ‘aperture’ remark as a birthing dilation, either, but even on a camera it’s what lets light in, and I took that to mean more: what you *believe you might see* in your mind’s peripheral vision, almost.
Ah, the photo. It’s impossible not to wonder about his thoughts, musings. Here’s a larger version of the Shepard (sic) Boy. He looks like my grandson, Ja, or would without the photographer-induced grin, so tugs my heart that extra yard. But see? He doesn’t even look at the camera, but far away from the garbage dump at which the goats graze. Whoosh. Maybe he dreams of soccer that day.
‘Standing straight on the Sabbath’; ;o) It’s the second night of Hannukah, too. Scratch that; I just checked and it’s the first night. Time Warp; but Safeway had no candles for the menorah in any event.
Thank you for the bold perspective, juliania.
On edit: I’d meant re: the mind’s peripheral vision seeing ‘Danger + Thus What’s Permissable/Advantageous in knowing a child might be The Enemy’.
If I take your meaning, Talking Stick, that sort of pragmatism is seriously depraved. Thanks for reading and caring, my friend.
I finally ran out of excuses not to read this. As others have mentioned, the language of war is one of things that makes me catch my breath:
opening the aperture – I thought of a camera, too, but juliania’s take is even more chilling; in any case, it implies some sort of precision, that certain kinds of killing are acceptable.
child suicide bombers – WTF is that? We’re accepting the fact that a child can make that sort of decision?
ensuring that our use of lethal force is legal, ethical and wise?
Academi? Academi? Really? How many times do these fucking mercenaries get to change the name of their illegal killing machine in order to suck up more of our tax dollars?
Camp Integrity? All I can do at this point is just babble.
More than one way of looking at things is so helpful, TD. I was struck by your imagery also.
Excellent reminder of moral philosophy.
It strikes me that the concern about Prussianization during the First World War was a consequence of (1) the rise of the pacifist movement in response to the US Civil War and other wars that were extensively photographed, (2) the rise in theological fashion of the social gospel, which revalued the idea of dealing with the social dimension of murder, theft, poverty, and oppression, (3) the growing popularity of the socialist movement in its many forms during the turn of the 1900s. Those cultural and political elements have been deliberately stripped from American society first through the New Deal and the Second World War, then through McCarthyism and the Cold War, and finally through the policy of war without end and the bogus culture wars on political correctness. Political and cultural movements created that fear among politicians, and establishment repression or co-option of political and cultural movements made that pressure on politicians recede. To the point that Obama’s cavalier statements using self-defense to justify the murder of Osama bin Laden was the expected form in which that announcement had to come from a “Kenyan Muslim socialist communist fascist.” Anything less folksy, less harsh, less of the vigilante would have been openings to delegitmize the President’s authority over the military because he was “soft”. We have a huge problem with the public culture, especially the political culture, that continually focusing on leaders delays us dealing with.
Leaders genuflect to moral philosophy and the doctrine of just killing and wars only because and when they must in order to obtain public consent. Those occasions are becoming rarer. More often the rationalization for a US President is his “obligation under the Constitution to protect this country”. Cite that article of the Constitution please, Big Daddy. I think that is a big stretch of the language. More people should call it the BS it is.
Vietnam was the first counter-insurgency that the US engaged in since the Indian Wars (unless you want to count the pursuit of Pancho Villa). What most folks thought in the romanticism about “Special Forces” and “Green Berets” was that “surgical strikes” to take out just the enemy instead of all-out war was a good thing.
What they forgot is that counter-insurgency in a country that is not your own is a matter of greater or lesser total war to the point of genocide (regardless of its stated intentions). It was exactly so in that celebrated winning counter-insurgency by the British in Malaya. No outside army, occupier or not, can effectively conduct counter-insurgency. Period. Without destroying villages in order to “save” them. Without killing not just children but infants in their mothers’ arms.
The problem with the Geneva Conventions is (1) the governments that signed it are exactly the same who have to enforce it, (2) most governments look at international law and agreements from a position of exceptionalism justified by “national sovereignty”. (The US is not unique in that regard.)
There was a time in the late 1970s in which global public opinion and political pressure could restrain most governments in some areas of interntional law. The reversal in US policy from supporting international institutions and international law to undercutting it and frustrating its extension has changed that. And the actions of the Bush administration have given license to an “anything goes” attitude by nations with respect to international law–including Bush’s successor and the current prime minister of Canada, the former president of France, and the current and two former prime ministers of the UK. Not to mention the rest of the “civilized world”.
A global public movement to enforce the Geneva Convention provisions on occupied territories in the case of Israel’s occupation of Palestine is long overdue and could be the vehicle for restoring that culture in which nations would be circumspect if not restrained from flagrant violation. And would set a clear precedent for any action that might be taken against the US over its past and current occupations.
Every time they need reincorporation to shed the legal liability from their previous crimes.
One of the Sunday liturgical invocations that has always impressed me carries the phrase ‘…that with boldness and without condemnation, we may dare…’
In my reading of Bulgakov’s ‘The Master and Margarita’ I was similarly struck that the vice he attributes to mankind, the one we all need to strive to overcome, [and which children embody in all its innocent antithesis], is cowardice.
In TBK, Ivan uses the example of a suffering child, shaking its tiny fist against the implacability of a tyrannous God, to overwhelm the faithful Alyosha – it is not about faith or nonfaith, (which each take a stand in apparent opposition), but about human integrity. There is no justification for the abomination of the destruction of children, these little ones. Ivan is right.
Yes; ahem….Brennan’s speech was a seriously disturbing speech, but I read some of the same from a self-professed Moral Philosopher praising Obomba’s drone program. He was a bit of a sensation, and I do remember Diachronic digging out his name for one of my recent threads. No matter, Brennan may have plagiarized, but what he have here is a multitude of demagogues:
(hat tip Otto Grendell)
Thank you, amigo. I reckoned someone would educate me on Prussianization if I waited long enough. ;o)
Hmmm. There is what I’d call ‘social cowardice’, as in defying conventional societal norms (much of our bane), and then there is the graver cowardice of not acting on one’s carefully considered ethical principles. But we do need to celebrate those who have behaved and written boldly in the face of great oppression and condemnation. They would be the sung and most often, unsung heroes people seek so strongly.
Too often they turn out to have clay feet, and devotees are mightily disappointed. And yes, I’m thinking of the number of heterodox, counter-culture political heroes who…voted for OBomba in the end just now.
I don’t even know what to say anymore. How heartbreakingly vile.
“… No outside army, occupier or not, can effectively conduct counter-insurgency. Period.”
You would think this lesson on counterinsurgency would be in the American dna – even with more than half the Colonists believing themselves to be British citizens, the British couldn’t win here against an insurgency that was laughably ill-equipped and undermanned.
When will they ever learn???
Yes, you would. But doing the “fear” dance and waving hypnotically that Stars and Stripes seems to disable that DNA. Just like it disables the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments.
The dead adults were children too, they are all somebodies children.
It is; and yet:
A virtual friend of mine wrote an essay a couple years ago about the tremendous amount of love that was evidenced by parenting down the generations. I used it in a diary that was anchored by this wonderful song, tjbs. Let it heal your heart a little bit; it’s a musical prayer. It’s one of my all-time favorites.
Those that voted for their lesser evil got it in spades , ANYONE who voted for the chief assassinator has blood on their hands, forever.
It’s a good point. There are some days when I don’t feel like laughing, but I always hope that I can laugh the next day. I hope that my capacity for laughter, and for seeing at least a little hope in even the darkest situations, never dies.
In the end, I would never trade the ability to feel the full depth of emotion, even periodic despair. To be thunderstruck by the sublime and the absurd both require it, I think. Yeppers, if we have a history of it, we know that laughter will come. Some say laughter is pain turned sideways; I dunno, but after a cascade of hard times, Mr. wd thinks I got funnier. Come to think of it, it took a long dark night of the soul beforehand, but usually it’s not required. Thank goodness. ;o)
Targeting Afghanistan is targeting children.
The majority by well over half of the population is under 18.
I did not know that, 21stcentury.
There’s enough associational blood on the hands of everyone in the world to last several eternities. Hope that rant made you feel better.
Thank you wd for another excellent myfdl diary. Many good comments.
If China had declared in 1990 that it would confront Saddam Hussein over the invasion of Kuwait by Iraqi military forces and then went on to mount a attack on Iraqi military forces occupying Kuwait in early 1991 and then proceed to impose NFZs on Iraq WashingtonDC would have not condoned this.
If China had started bombing Afghanistan in late 2001 and moving Chinese military units and building long stay bases across Afghanistan and then threatening and molesting Pakistan as well WashingtonDC would have not condoned China doing so.
If China were to have declared during 2012 that it was going to “pivot” it’s naval and air forces to the Gulf of Mexico and across the Caribbean as a means to show the Chinese flag and to project Chinese militarism on USA WashingtonDC would have surely condemned such Chinese action(s) as being belligerent and hostile.
If China were killing innocents and children across Iraq,Afghanistan and Pakistan and this was known and knowable how then would WashingtonDC react and would WashingtonDC strongly condemn such conduct? It seems quite likely WashingtonDC would be doing so being this would be in service to American propaganda purposes of painting the Chinese as being brutal and wanton death dealers.
However it was not China that did any or some of the above.
It was WashingtonDC,the USA and Americans who agree to serve in American military forces and support American Militarism.
The word hypocrisy begins to describe this but at some point it too becomes incapable as a word to encompass the wickedness that is done by Americans who claim to be what they are not.
At some point one is left only with the hope that one day the Americans and American Militarism will be stopped doing what they so easily and willingly do by someone. Until then what wd lays out above will continue to take place and American leaders such as Barack Obama,Hillary Clinton,G.W.Bush,Robert Gates,Leon Panetta and several ranks behind and below them will continue to claim to be doing good when it is much more about being wicked and telling lies about being something good.
China surely has done many bad acts and deeds since 1950 but it is WashingtonDC that has circled the planet since 1950 with its militarism and imperialism intents while claiming to be the champion of humans and democracy. The knowable and known record of WashingtonDC conduct and acts since 1950 presents hypocrisy done,lies told and human innocents being killed to serve the deeper imperial goals of WashingtonDC. American propaganda and the lies it conceals is some of the very best ever done. Who else has unleashed HollywoodUSA on the planet? Barack Obama is a warmonger and warcriminal who Americans just re-elected and are now celebrating. Americans claim to be doing good and the bringers of good. That has been a false claim for a very long time.
Thank you wd…your star here at FDL is one to reliably navigate by.