If you’re wondering who the rather sanguine-about-it-all Augustin Ruiz is, from what I’ve found he’s the spokesperson for the Bay Valley USPS in California, not the entire USPS. Searching kicked up this tidbit from a piece at the berkelydailyplanet.com covering a July protest over the closing of the landmark PO concerning some remarks Ruiz had made in front of City Hall:
He said that two California post offices in Yountville and Oakville had been kept open after public objection and everything that would be said at the meeting with the Council “becomes part of a public document that goes to Washington.” “Everything we’re doing here is very transparent.”
Ruiz was shadowed by another, unsmiling and silent, man also wearing government ID who hovered behind him and periodically appeared to be snapping pictures of people in the crowd.
Asked if the Post Office indeed intended to sell the Downtown building Ruiz said, “in this case, since we own the building, we’re attempting to sell, yes.” But “the only thing that will change here is that the retail counter will be elsewhere.” I asked where that would be. “We’re looking at other sites, but we haven’t started negotiations with anybody yet”, he answered. I asked about the process for the sale. “We have a firm that’s looking into that”, he said. “So far we haven’t had any buyers yet.” “We have a realty firm to help us with the sale…that is all internal.”
Very transparent, but…internal. Feds snapping photos of protesters. Ack! Domestic Terr’ists! Call Homeland Security! And Mr. Richard Blum, or should I say, “Mr. Diane Feinstein”…just givin’ some helpful advice, profiting nicely by selling buildings that taxpayers…paid for.
In July I posted on the initial shock doctrine steps toward privatization of the PO after I’d read Peter Orszag’s (formerly Obomba’s director of the OMB) recommendations at Bloomberg News that the USPS be privatized. Aghast at his reasoning, I started digging into it.
Nothing’s been solved by Congress, and the next axes are about to fall without some major changes, including changing the mandates requiring the pre-payment of health benefits for employees seventy-five years in advance. The suggestions about setting up public banks in post office branches as they do in Europe, or at least Switzerland, would be a great benefit as well.
This week things are heating up again. From Gray Brechin at savethepostoffice.com:
The National Academy of Public Administration has released a “Work-in-Progress” report entitled “Restructuring the U.S. Postal System: The Case for a Hybrid Public-Private Postal System.” The Academy is now embarking on a study of this proposal, which would privatize a large portion of the country’s postal system.
The Academy’s study is billed as an “Independent Review of a Thought Leader Proposal to Reform the U.S. Postal Service.” Unfortunately, no study conducted by a four-man panel chaired by David M. Walker, the former President and CEO of the libertarian Peter G. Peterson Foundation, can seriously claim either the independence or non-partisan objectivity that the Academy itself boasts.
It has been my experience over the past 30 years that “hybrid public-private partnerships” are often little more than a sedative euphemism for the private sector taking the profits while the public bears the costs. Such is the case with this “reform,” which will, as is so often claimed in such instances, “unleash the power of market forces” by transferring the USPS profit centers to the private sector while saddling the public with the cost for “the last mile.” Meanwhile, the public is already being stripped of its assets in broad daylight while the media sleeps.
The proposal is predictably one-dimensional — as befits men who seemingly have little or no sense of the public service mission for which the Post Office was created 238 years ago under the direction of Benjamin Franklin. Its purpose, then as now, was democracy and equality, not efficiency or profit. Thus, the report omits much.
Nowhere in the proposal is there any mention of unions, let alone of living wages, so one can only presume that a primary means of reducing costs will be to drive down the income of those postal employees who remain after the USPS is radically downsized and diminished as proposed.
The postal workers are unionized, of course, so not only is this an assault on the public, but on workers and labor unions…again. Estimates of workers who’ll lose their jobs are varied, since the plans do keep changing.
From the American Postal Workers Union on Jan 3, 2013 (my emphasis throughout):
Congress’ [sic] failure to enact postal reform in 2012 means the legislative fight to Save America’s Postal Service goes on, APWU President Cliff Guffey is telling union members.
Postal reform legislation that was introduced in the 112th Congress — but not signed into law — died on Jan. 3, when the members of the 113th Congress were sworn in.
“New legislation must be introduced this year to reform USPS finances and undo the mess Congress made when it passed the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act (PAEA) in 2006,” Guffey said. The, PAEA requires the USPS to pre-fund healthcare benefits for future retirees 75 years into the future and has driven the Postal Service to the edge of insolvency.
“I will be calling on APWU members to join with their co-workers, neighbors, friends, and family members to demand that Congress preserve and protect the USPS and our nation’s commitment to universal service for the American people,” he said. [snip]
Through much of December there was talk of attaching postal legislation to bills to avoid the “fiscal cliff,” but hope for an agreement on postal issues evaporated in the acrimony over nation’s tax policy and the deficit. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) never even brought a postal bill to the House floor for a vote, Guffey noted.
“Many politicians were willing to allow taxes to go up for 98 percent of America’s citizens, in order to protect tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires, Guffey said. “I hope union members will take note of who they were and punish them in 2014,” he added.
Lamenting the past three decades of the failed (for us, not ‘them’) neoliberal ‘experiment’, Gray Brechin noted that on a number of the New Deal era WPA-built structures in California bear inscriptions by the Roman poet Virgil:
THE NOBLEST MOTIVE IS THE PUBLIC GOOD.
You can either write your Congress Critters, suggestions here, but you might want to add something about rescinding the draconian requirements of the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, or even adding the suggestion that PO branches open public banking accounts. Or you can sign a petition here, or do both. I love the Post Office.
The pdf of the next round of proposed closings is here.



78 Comments

Thanks for this, wendydavis, recommended. Another dark moment in the neoliberal destruction of the commons.
Close military bases, not post offices.
Great post, recommended. Federal Express, DHL and other private companies have been liberally throwing money at both parties, and both houses of Congress, for years. This is the predictable result.
Dang wd, what happened to your cheery diaries [ducks]. Something else to watch. Another vampire squid tentacle with a USPS spokesperson sucker.
Thanks for the heads up. So now it the real estaters in addition to the parcel services that want a piece of the action.
Wonder if political speech is still protected in the mail the way that Benjamin Franklin intended it. Oh wait, we found that out in the McCarthy era.
A history of the US revolution I read recently (can’t find the reference) recounts how the Committees of Correspondence set up their own postal service for their political communications. A Philadelphia sympathizer set up a competing commercial service that was attractive to the more conservative members of the Committees. After a year, that service failed financially (no bankruptcy then). The implication was that that experience was why Franklin wanted a postal service as a function of a democratic government.
We got the current USPS as a Nixon attempt to crush the postal workers union in the strike that began in 1970. No doubt that still is the motive for privatization. Delivering mail to everyone in the country is a losing proposition commercially.
Welcome, maryn in IL, and thanks for caring about The Commons; they are disappearing rather rapidly now, eh?
And yes to closing bases, not POs! Here, the schools used to be Community Central, but over the years, that faded for a number of different reasons. Now the PO is really the Meet and Greet place, as well as serving so many other necessary functions. They say they won’t close rural branches, but here…some to the north of us have already been closed. Can’t imagine what the old, infirm, or poor do instead.
Neoliberal Lemon Socialism; we assume the debt, they make the profits. Nice work if ya can get it…
Yeppers, we can just imagine this President using his bully pulpit to demand Congress fix this, eh?
I have never in my life understood the conservative hatred of the post office. Getting stuff from point A to point B I have always found the service remarkably efficient in my personal experience. In the long history of the post office how much money did they successfully transfer to business from point A to point B over 200 plus years?? It’s a mystery to me.
Hey dude; you know I always look on the bright side! You just couldn’t see my smile hoverin’ below this report (cut-and-paste though it is).
Didn’t Ruiz just have ya bangin’ your head? Wot? Whose side is on??? Oh, I fergot.
Yeah, I read some about Nixon’s 1970 law when I was hunting down the ‘ehancement’ to it, lol.
I dunno; a lot of people have weighed in about the possibility of the PO breaking even, but I dunno who’s right exactly. But before the 2006 law it did break even, or close. I know times have changed, but still.
Thanks, THD; next one I’ll make happy as all iddy-up for ya (she sayed hopefully). Wot? More Monsanto mebbe? ;o)
And the more employees they’re making redundant, the slower and more dreary the service, and tra la la. But government IS the problem, remember, even if…the USPS isn’t funded by the G; go figure. But it does have a Union, and a lot of prime real estate, so… Another case of ‘Leave no revenue stream untouched’, and ‘some entrepeneurs (Cato Man) can do it better’, lol!
Since when have serfs needed post offices?
The Post Office is un-American. It should be privatized. Free enterprise – that’s what America is all about. I can see the Founding Fathers rolling around in their graves. How can anyone actually believe they intended the postal service to be a government function?
Fact: July 26, 1775, Congress establishes the United States Post Office and names Benjamin Franklin the first United States postmaster general.
But why let facts get in the way?
I wonder, if there is an effort to dimsantle the post office could a sucessful court case be joined based on a constitutional arguement?
Sec 8 of the Constitution, states:
“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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To establish Post Offices and post Roads;”
BTW the next clause addresses the matter of copyright. Kind of interesting to see how its been perverted in the name of profit by the media companies. I suppose the same thing would happen here too with the Post Office. Wonder how many rednecks in the hinterlands are going to be griping about the high cost of gun and ammo delivery by Fedex, Parcel Post, etc. – if they even deliver to rural areas at all, no profit in it you know.
The fierce People’s Warriors Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, along with their People’s Posse in Congress — the Democrats — will never let this happen. Add the President, who is both fierce and historical, not to mention fiercely historical, and WE CANNOT LOSE! However, priorities naturally dictate that they strengthen Social Security before they strengthen the Post Office.
Do not worry, Comrade. The Democrats will stop this.
Buwahahahahaha!
The Berkeley Post Office really is a beautiful building; that was a stupid cage to rattle on the part of the USPS. Berkeley can be deadly serious about such stuff.
The bigger picture is, as you mentioned, the fact that poor and rural communities bear the brunt along with the postal workers. Not everybody has internet access or a checking account with which to pay their bills or receive direct deposits. But it’s OK, because those entrepreneurs the CATO asshole is talking about will step right up.
LOL! Thanks, Isaiah.
Needed to get a PO Box when apparently my “librul,” views expressed in the local papers, made it impossible to keep a serviceable rural route box at the end of the driveway. Motion sensor camera inconclusive for evidence. Law enforcement not interested in investigation of these things, ever.
I’m skeptical of internet banking security, fortunately I don’t require that service. USPS, an absolutely needed and required service.
Thanks wendydavis.
And we all know Ben wuz a Rotten Commie…
Thanks, welshT, for this and…all the other on your good post.
You get one of the purdiest tunes ever played. It’ll melt ya away, I promise.
If I remember it, gray Brechin brought up the Constitutional clauses, but I’d reckon that there may be no one who would bring a lawsuit, and were they to, there might be be existing shell of a postal service that Scalia and Roberts (hell, mebbe even Kagan) point to and say, “See? She ain’t dead; she’s just runnin’ better now!” (Leaving out the facts of $30 letters to the tulies thru FedEx, etc.)
But do keep it mind for the future, techgeek.
Ha! I forgot to give ya love over ‘rednecks gripin’ about the cost of ammo delivery’!
‘Strengthen Social Security’: remember when we used to laugh at Republicans naming bills backwards from what they really were? Lord, Lord, and lol!
Srsly: I got a note from the White House yesterday, I think it was. David Plouffe gargling on about how freaking cool is is that (wait for it…):
We all have the President’s back! Cool way to view the relationship, eh wot?
The relationship us better defined as us having the underside of O’s comfortable shoes (or comfortable trampling jackboots, as the case may be).
Democrats = Vox Populi. Got it!
;o)
Beautiful tune, Wendy. Thank you.
She sounds more like Bonnie Raitt than Bonnie Raitt.
Love the reference, comrade. Lol, indeed.
The one mural we could see looked lovely; wish I’d stopped the video to look more carefully, really. It’d make a lovely boutique mall, wouldn’t it? Or FBI offices?
We don’t pay bills online; we want them ol’ hard copies right in our hands, and our bank statements, too, although ya never get a canceled check back now, just a row of info (blech). There’ve been protests in
Sacrament, too, and Arkansas (the rural areas, and they’re well-organized), but the save our post office site had many of them, so I didn’t keep a list.
Thanks for caring, hotflashcarol.
Welcome, nonquixote. I’d read you saying that your letters to editor earned you some community notoriety, but I hadn’t dreamed your mailbox might have been vandalized. Ish. I will say the editors of our rag haven’t printed my stuff for…years, I guess, but then it’s a redneck county with three Republican commissioners, always now. Locally party affiliation can make some differences even now.
Like on medical marijuana, and soon…’recreational’ marijuana, land use, recycling, etc.
Tricky Dick Nixon started this back around 1970, in a blatant effort to take away the parcel business from the US Post OFFICE, as it was known before, and give it away to UPS and FedEx. And he succeeded, with Democratic support.
It’s been accelerated by every president with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter since. The Postal Service and its employees have been vilified for more than a generation.
Why, ask my coworkers, do postmen get paid so much? Ever tried doing work like that, I reply? Why SHOULDN’T they be paid a salary that will provide them and their families a decent lifestyle? If I don’t get a blank look, I’ll get jealousy. But, they whine, they make more than I?
To which I reply, yes, but why should YOU be paid as little as you are? They get confused and shamble away.
Most are Republicans. Most are ignorant exurban people. Silly wabbits.
REC’D. Catch the spelling, WD?
PS, put an M in the middle and you might be on to something.
Shoot, how silly of me, UCT1, but I saw with those boots and shoes something so different for a flash. I’ve been watch the best movie a friend here at the Lake sent me (along with many others); this one is 84 Charing Cross Road, incredible cast, incredible all of it. A story of love and friendship and the small acts of kindness that make life better for everyone involved. But a snippet from a Yeats poem Anne Bancroft read aloud:
I knew that would get a rise out of you. Still, its probably going to turn out true like so many things. Odd how all those poor conservatives that tend to depend so heavily on institutions like Social Security, medicare, USPS, etc. are equally intent on their destruction. Or at least they play the lackies to their dogmatic conservative leaders. Go figure.
Welcome, welshT; it really is a lovely and evocative tune, and yes, she sings better than Bonnie. ;o)
But then, given that the Dems are in love with privatization more and more, who’s left to have The People’s backs? (or is it ‘The Peoples’ backs? Where’s AitchD when we need him, lol?)
Rednecks wanna reduce the size of government so they can drown it in a bathtub; Libruls wanna make government work for Elites and the Revolving Door, but they make nicer noises and smile when they mess ya over, eh?
I like the zing in this comment lots and lots UCT1 … ;->
…thanks wd … this USPS Coming Giant Debacle needs some/lots seeing and saying …
@ times3 @ #13… Ds/Obama? So much yuk! Am so done with the Big D junk.
Ah, your co-workers must look forward to ya needlin’ em around the water-cooler, Barbarian. ;o) But someone needs to ask them the questions; we’ve been so complacent for so long when you figure that wages have been frozen at 1973 levels. As Bill Purdue points out so readily, labor needs to organized under a new banner, new party to change that.
Nice on the ‘rec’d', and I’ll skip the M, dear; they have to be lower case letters, anyhoo. ;o)
LOL! Mine eyes can barely read that, but er…welcome, arrow. (timesthree can take his own bow)
It don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that zing!
Heh. Told ya I couldn’t read it…blew right by da zinger. ;o)
You fling a mean zing, comrade :)
Praise TBoww!
Illegitimi non carborundum, as the grand betrayal continues…
They may privatize the mail, but never our hearts. :)
Here’s a music/vid for any frayed nerves…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX2wk9MKiF8
We’ll only let the bastards get us down…once in awhile, eh? That was nice. Ponderosa a FL band? Isn’t that where you live? Let’s tip a shot of Rebel Yell to em, eh? ;o)
They’re from Atlanta, I’m a Houstonian– first I’ve heard of’em.
“…first I’ve heard of’em.”
Which begs a big ol’ question: HOW THE HELL DID YOU KNOW TO PUT THE VIDEO UP THEN???
So sorry; long day; needed to vent, lol!
But goodness, Houston? So many Texicans at fdl.
Timing correctly with publishing dates to one paper gets you posted immediately at their website, and the first three to five letters get moved to the print addition that week, depending on content length.
Notoriety, both good and less good. Post offices, each little village is served, main “commons,” contact with residents everyday. Rural small shops/industry depends on them.
Picky, picky. Coloradan. :)
Lol! I meant, before someone recently shared the vid with me @ Stumbleupon. You funny.
Water coolers? Too expensive. We don’t have them at my place of employment.
We do have sinks in the restrooms, thank the Odd Gods.
I love the post office? Have you watched ‘Larkrise to Candleford’ series on PBS? The center of the Candleford World is…the post office. It’s glorious, all about class, early unionization, and working through the distinctions and futures, ending each episode with some degree of human understanding and unity.
Yes; common people like myself, need post offices. I sincerely have so many memories of meetups with people there, both on the ‘getting into their mailboxes’ side, and the ‘behind the counter’ side.
Hey darlin’; it ain’t me. This place wouldn’t even sell me either a space or a friggin’ upper case letter when I registered. I.e.: it ain’t me, babe.
Ah, hell; shall we take up a water-cooler collection for ya? What’s the tap water taste like? We’re sooooo spoiled here; we drink snowmelt, never been through a water treatment plant. ;o)
Well, silly; at least now it makes about 40 cents worth of sense… ;o)
Which makes more sense than cutting P.O. jobs– when a jobs program is needed.
Yeppers; and iirc, the main recipients of Obomba’s stim program that touted ‘shovel ready projects’ were…highways, in which major contractors get the bids (cost ever-runs okey dokey) and a few locals are hired to…lean on shovels or do flagging. Meh!
Think of where that money could have gone.
Yountville and Oakville? Really? Those tiny little bergs are so threatening that some zero had to take pictures of the crowd. Like there was ever a crowd in Yountville and Oakville. Jesus H. Christ drinking a merlot from Sonoma, I have driven through these places often. It takes a millisecond. But that doesn’t mean they don’t need their own post office.
The stuped Congress in 2006 (I think that was the year), made the post office fund their retirement and health care plans 75 years into the future. This meant that they were forced to fund people not yet born. This was a union busting and privatization plan. Nothing but.
Assholes.
Well, you nailed it, marymccurnin. Long project, bearing some measure of fruition unless we can stop it somehow, but really, what are the chances except in particular locales where enough citizens make the heat and noise?
And yes, it was 2006, and the Assholes are winning for now. Ever since Reagan blew the air traffic controllers out…and did it with a smile. And so many of the same profiteers are in the middle of this one; funny how the same names and families keep poppin’ up, eh? Makes ya think they all are in cahoots.
Concur on marymccurnins @51 comment…liked it’s parting shot ;-)
The small town where I spent part of my early years had a way cool 1930′s era Art Deco/Modern U.S.Post Office with solid, well crafted and fitted wood trim,doors and worked metal grilles thruout the well constructed interior.With poured terrazzo patterned flooring. The exterior had plenty of Deco flourishes and punctuations. It was built to last and likely still largely looked in late 1960′s much like it had when first built back in late 1930′s.
On either end of the Lobby on the upper walls were murals which just seemed so Great Depression Optimistic. This was not a large scaled building but there was a solid wooden door off the Lobby titled in gold leaf lettering that proclaimed ‘POSTMASTER’. The guy who held that position looked and dressed like Fred McMurray and had a air one only saw back then in small town America that tho the world was wicked crazy this was not so in this POSTMASTERS domain.
We had two times a day mail delivery when we moved to town in 1967. Once in the AM at about 9:05AM Mon – Sat ( set your clock to it punctual ) and once in the early PM say about by 2PM.This went on up thru early 1970′s. No doubt was discontinued due to Richard M. Nixon meddling where Nixon should not have been.
The thing that has been just finally and simply inexcusable about Barack Obama becoming POTUS is how much Obama has tried to not even get close to being a post 2009 FDR D Party POTUS. Just left to wonder now about how or why Barack Obama could be so deceptive,so willing to betray,so eager to not do what at the start of 2009 just had to be so very obvious to anyone not doing paid off/bought off politics and policy picking/making.
This whole “gut the U.S.Post Office” junk just reeks of wanton disregard for what was good ( not perfect ) and right about the USA. If you have ever spent much time in lands where what happens to mailed items after you post them is unknowable in ways that leaves you not wanting to post mail the U.S.Post Office was a paragon of American competency and reliability.
Out in the rural area on a small Wisconsin farm where we lived during the early/mid 1960′s our mail box was at the end of the P.O.service area so the mailman( or lady) used our farm drive way to turn in/back out and head back. During the winter months our country road could and did look like something from Ice Road Truckers…the mail was there when we went out to get it.
Wrecking/Sabotaging/Privatizing/Corporatizing/WallMarting out the U.S.Post Office is some damn stupid BS being done so very likely for the worst of motives and reasons by some of the worst kind of ignorant/arrogant USians. Well … better hit the brakes here… going to cue up some Fleetwood Mac on this computer…lets see….Hypnotized….yah…that’ll do. :-)
…stay with it wd
Sure, David Walker’s a Republican. It’s not nonpartisan. You’re right about that.
But the fact remains that post offices have to be closed. Why? You should know why. If you don’t, do a little research about something the Internet and electronic mail.
The public and public sector unions are not the same things. The post office unions represent a small cadre of post office workers. They do not represent me and they do not represent the public at large.
I think we do need a post office, and I hope it remains at least a partially public institution. I don’t want it to be privatized, so on that we can agree. But I don’t want it to be some communist style institution where a union is there to prevent cost savings which do, in fact, accrue a serious benefit to the public at large.
Do yourself a favor and begin to get used to the idea that the post office is going to get smaller.
They do represent me, and I wouldn’t at all mind a communist style institution, but I don’t think unions exist to prevent cost savings. they are there to demand a living wage and benefits.
And I erred in not speaking of ‘corporatization’ rather than ‘privatization’, because that’s what it is. Sure, e-communications have bitten into their volume a bit, but as others have pointed out, the PO could offer other services that could keep them closer to the black.
And I wouldn’t even mind if taxpayers underwrote some of the debt, but for god’s sake, at least rescind the 2006 mandates for health coverage pre-payments.
When Fed-Ex doesn’t feel like driving a package to may house, ya know where they leave it (delaying it)? The post office. UPS takes it back to their distribution center, then asks me if they should leave it: at the post office (more delays). Not always, but often enough to irk the hell out of me. And yeppers; it will be down-sized even more, but not because it’s a healthy thing for our country. On that we don’t agree, cal222.
I’ll look up ‘Hypnotized’; don’t remember that one. I got curious about the WPA murals, and there are sites dedicated to different buildings and POs. Some of them were described as ‘Treasury Fine Arts’ or something close, and not WPA. I found this slideshow of some of the buildings that are on the block.
Cool Americana, arrow; thanks. ;o)
What I mused upon when I read this last night,wd, was how the times have degenerated – from my father’s war when returning GI’s got the GI Bill and an education, to Vietnam when they got jobs in the postal service, to now when they presumably get to don their gumboots and wade in on increasingly devastating climate change disasters, or stay dry and dress up in plastic helmets for the occasional OWS protest or things like that there.
It does seem an uninviting scenario. Perhaps there will be fewer recruits?
Not a bad outcome, but I sure don’t want to sacrifice my post office to that deficit-hungry god, peaceful though it may become down the road. (I am looking down there since they that can change this don’t listen to us peons.)
Looks like an idle idol, our current way of doing things, to me. But we may indeed become the Egyptians in their springtime, facing our own progeny as they do Uncle Sam’s bidding…
Or do they?
I hope very much that your son is safe, working on being part of the solution down that road as he faces, and endures. Strength to him and you.
That is simply heartbreaking, Wendy, your link. I hadn’t been thinking about the buildings. They really do want to destroy our heritage, as they did to Iraq.
Question: What beautiful buildings from past historic times does FedEx have?
It’s not about electronic mail, wonderful as that is. And by the way, I want my tax forms delivered by the postal service! And booklets telling me how to wade through that stuff. (While we’re on the subject.)
> But the fact remains that post offices have to be closed.
> Why? You should know why. If you don’t, do a little
> research about something called
Neoliberalism. Next?
Once the competition is gone expect rates to rise :(
Thank you for the link — will spend some time checking it out. I find some of the Youtube stuff about old buildings that are being left to decline or simply abandoned always interesting. One in particular is the Michigan Central Rail Terminal Building in Detroit,MI. Years ago when I was driving semi I made many runs into Detroit and saw this building often. I was always curioius about why it looked so in decline/ruin.
It has been the triumph of Youtube to find lots of info/images about such buildings. So many classic American examples of church buildings,public schools,commercial buildings and private homes simply being allowed to go into steep decline,states of being abandoned and ruin. There is a church building in Gary,IN that now looks like it was bombed during WW2 and never repaired/restored — I think it was a Methodist church building built in late 1920′s for around a one miilion dollars — was a impressive structure — was left to a terrible fate in the 1970′s as I recall — now just a hulking ruin.
Detroit,MI in and of itself is one long sad story in this regard. There is so much decline and ruin being allowed to take place. USians had no damn business going into Iraq,going into Afghanistan or meddling in Iran. Lets just stay home and take care of what we did do right,built with so much time,labor and money. Clinton,Bush and Obama have betrayed USians so very much with the choices they made/make/have not made/do not make.
I will point you to this truly nice Youtube video of the old cannabis time classic Fleetwood Mac song “Hypnotized”.
Turn the dial to Youtube and type in ‘Fleetwood Mac Hypnotized’ in Youtube Search and once at that Youtube spot seek out the “Hypnotized” video that was put up by “germanssgirl” ( I know — it is odd but never mind the avatar ) which is titled “Fleetwood Mac “Hypnotized”(High Quality) 1973″ and spin that one as it is a very pleasant Youtube to watch /listen to of this classic Fleetwood Mac song.
Back in the day “Hypnotized” was for the humans I ran with or rode around with in vintage 1960′s Imperials a favorite cannabis time selection. As was some David Bowie from “Diamond Dogs” and “Spiders From Mars” or stuff done by Yes or Traffic.
As the words go in Lou Reed’s immortal “Sweet Jane” —
“those were different times”
–and indeed it seems now they were….. :-)
Oh my! There are some beautiful buildings listed. I wonder what treasures of American history and art they hold. There are a couple I recognized and actually used. Imagine the stories that could be told about those old buildings and the letters/packages that passed through them. My heart aches with sorrow to think of the loss the sale of these buildings represent. Even some of the modern ones represent an architecture style of the era in which they were built. In some cases, they may be the last surviving example of it. Many buildings represent a link to an America of another age when there was pride in citizenship and committment to community and nation. Now, make no mistake there are those with no goal other than some perverse worship of the almighty dollar. We have become a nation of consumers, not citizens. Disgraceful.
Regarding decay in Detroit, I’m still haunted by a picture in National Geographic I saw a year or so ago, of an abandoned grand hotel with a baby grand piano on its side in the middle of a once opulent but now trashed ballroom. To this day it gives me the heebie geebies to wonder how such an event could have occured.
On my last diary about this dreck I either had a link or saw a bunch of magnificent PO artwork, so I started poking around yesterday thinking I might see something Diego Rivera or someone had done for the Bezerkeley PO. Suzanne Scheuer was one artist; don’t remember the others.
But as ever, I got sidetracked looking at PO murals all over the US, though many artists were left unnamed, and spent way more time than I should have.
But art should be for The People, and all that architecture and art was publicly financed, but will be sold by profiteers and used for some elitist bullshit offices or malls or something. Pisses me off.
;o)
You mean entrepeneurs won’t keep it cheap?
I feel your pain, arrow. I’ve forgotten where you are, and please know I may ask again a month from now (cottage cheese memory), thus it will signify nothing insulting.
The trend toward efficient architecture (like windowless prisons) in schools and public buildings now is too sad. I’ve always admired cultures like the Japanese and others for whom every functional object or tool…could also be artistically designed, unlike in this country with ugly and clunky too often ruling.
It’s lovely, and I had just had a couple breaths of MMJ before I went searching for it; thank you. I’m hypnotized (were those CETI dishes?).
We do seem to be in some period of forced devolution culturaly, if there is ‘an American culture’ per se. It’s not as though in the future we’ll need to simply settle for less, but we’ll need to somehow figure out how to value…what our lives need materially. I’m not saying what I mean correctly, but the way most of us ‘consume’ voraciously, and then throw things in the trash, not even considering passing things on to thrift stores or shelters…needs to end.
The hotel with the baby grand would have been iconic for some of this era, wouldn’t it?
If we’re indeed at the beginning of a shift in consciousness (as in higher, lol) it may be that soon we will get that, and it may be need that augers the new understanding. We can imagine that it may be so; I hate to say that I’m kinda counting on it, because I must.
Thanks, techgeek.
You think I’m being neoliberal when I say some post offices have to close? C’mon.
At one time there was a huge industry making ice blocks off the waters in the Great Lakes, for iceboxes. But then refrigeration came along. That was just technological change, and it was a good thing.
Hi Wendy, to see a truely horrific commentary on our lack of respect for the past, see this article with pictures of Detroit in this article in the UK’s Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370199/Detroit-Haunting-photos-crumbling-remains-highlight-decline-Motor-City.html
It contains the picture of the piano I mentioned.
And you are so right about our consumption, it drives something like 80% of the economy I think. I wonder, how many of those people who got i-Junk under the xmas tree will remember what they received in 6 months. How much of it has already gone to the land fill? One of the reasons I detest the “holiday season” is the orgy of spend, spend, spend often for stuff made in China with questionable product and quality control. Abd let’s not forget the crappy xmas music that bombards you everywhere you go. The same old tunes over and over. Sheesh.
Unless ya couldn’t afford a refrigerator or electricity.
Haunting as hell, techgeek, now a piece of Tragic Americana; whooosh. Only time I was there was in its heyday, about 1962 I reckon. The grand piano tipped onto its back was indeed iconic, but the decayed dance ballrooms even more so in a way. The splendor that once was for romance of even old married couples dancing the old dances to the old tunes, in muted lights and vibrant colors, maybe a mirrored ball added for ‘modernity’ at some point.
Having never seen a ballroom, the lovely, but simple imagery from films will always be with me, but to those mind pictures will be added those photos. Not just days gone by, or a way of life gone by, but that their value was lost in the pinch of capitalistic profiteering.
One of the most galling parts of this administration was that it didn’t arrange zero interest loans or require bailed out banks to do so, to municipalities that can only adapt to the New Normal by laying off workers, closing parks, libraries, or worse: selling off the Commons and public utilities.
> You think I’m being neoliberal when I say some post
> offices have to close?
1) You feel they have to be privatized, as if it were Destiny, and you admit of the possibility that all of them may have to be privatized, although you give lip service toward wanting at least some to remain (though the reason why is unclear; nostalgia?).
2) You disparage the union as a communist organization, while stating that the purpose of this communist organization is to prevent cost savings. Obviously, you dislike unions so much that you are willing to misrepresent them and their purposes.
These are neoliberal gibberish viewpoints. You want to privatize society’s necessary infrastructures. That is a disastrous philosophy which leads to the benefit of only the new owners and not the general populace, as has been demonstrated time and time again. So find something new to idly jaw about with your brainy old friends over the cracker barrel, please. I think metamars would love an invitation.
Happy to see you checked out “Hypnotized” Utube vid and liked it wd …:-)
Church building now abandoned/in ruins I mentioned @ comment #63 was/is known as City Methodist Church in Gary,IN — punching that title into YouTube Search will take you to some vids of this once striking structure which now tells a sad story of Oblivion Ruin.
Ta, dear; if I have time I will check it out. Thank you. ;o)
My stars; hang tight. These days are testing my soul, and finding me wanting.
Now and then I find it useful and beneficial to impose FDL Time Outs on myself as a method of keeping this computer screen in perspective and my inner self composure in better wholeness of indivisible yin yang.
Or I just pull up a nice video such as Hypnotized — that works too. :-)
It is so easy to get taken up in this political stuff due to issues becoming burning issue(s) traps and due to humans being either just plain simpletons and craven or incapable of being decent/honorable. When humans also want to be insulting and infuriating and outright charlatans? Not easy to take it in silence and wait yet time often will serve this task well enough if it is given space to do so. Or not.
Being merciful and compassionate tho not easy to do so very needful.
I use to comment at several sites but now only do so here at FDL…I guess the day may come when it is time to move on … I think about it as being a growth process…will maybe find a new and different place when the need presents itself…I like visiting FDL most of the time … I understand it is a commons and everyone needs to be given space….somedays that is not easy to do or grant or tolerate but all the same commons can only be commons when most get(s) tolerated often.
I try to overlook the annoying or just plain dim ones…most of the time I succeed… on days or at times when doing so is difficult I just need to do FDL Time Outs…so far this seems to have been a adequate work around. As a rule I have not posted diaries but only do comments which at times can/will run long if I am in the mood and so inclined.
Keep your inner peace wd as best you can — so much in and with/about politics we cannot do much about short of going radical and zealot like politically with flag waving and that is a place that should be very and most carefully stepped towards or into as the consequences can be genuine and lasting.
As seen with what was done to Aaron Swartz by Obama’s DOJ Terror Inquisition thugs and wickeds the legal system/regime here in USA has become what Franz Kafka wrote about so knowingly in “The Castle”.
Most days I just take life and living one hour at a time. We can not do much about so much of the big life stuff as this stuff is most often written across decades and centuries and epochs.
One hour? That is easy … :-)
It’s very wise advice, arrow my friend. And I admit I am not at peace just now, struggling in seven directions. And as this place gets more and more homogenized by so many of the most interesting and brightest characters being banished, or even banishing themselves…and the readership goes down, makes it hard to want to write or comment. We’ve lost so many good ‘uns who’d throw some healthy elbows in order that we might learn more, or at least by my lights, since I’m deficient in so many areas of learning. See? I never read The Castle. ;o)
Periodically I watch some of the EMDR and meditation videos on youtube, and play Gregorian chants on my laptop. I’m so funky right now that most music has even lost its appeal.
After reading Greenwald’s piece on Aaron, and how little his infractions truly were, and to what internet freedom he’d devoted his life to…his suicide-by-prosecution is even more tragic.
And I have been disposed to taking breaks from writing, and maybe more are in order so that I can find more of the poet, more of the artist in myself. I find it hard that so few artists and songwriters are attending to this incredible time of social change. What? We get fucking Tom Morello? ;o)
love to you, arrow; and thank you for all your great comments,
wd
p.s. I’m so glad I checked back into this diary. and…if you ever need to get in touch, go here (this is my angel) and leave a message. if you’ve signed in, i’ll get an email notification of the messaage, okay?