Good morning. It’s another Terror Tuesday, and today we finally have the memo that Obomba’s DoJ says claims outlines their legal justification for assassinating Americans…or anyone else they want to murder. (my bolds throughout)
From NBCnews.com:
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.
NBC says such strikes are emerging as a central issue just before John Brennan’s confirmation hearings to head the CIA; Brennan, of course, being a ‘key architect’ of the program, and acknowledging them in a speech last year claiming drone assassinations were “consistent with the inherent right of self-defense.” AG Eric Holder endorsed the constitutionality of the targeted murders of Americans in a speech last year when “government officials determine the target poses “an imminent threat of violent attack.”
But the white paper brings an even more expansive parsing of ‘self-defense’ and ‘imminent attack’ than either had described earlier.
It refers, for example, to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than actual intelligence about any ongoing plot against the U.S. homeland.
Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack *and* “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”
The paper lays out a three-part test for making the targeted assassinations of American lawful. The capture of the suspect must be ‘infeasible’, *and* the strike must be conducted ‘according to the law of war principles’.
If, for example, ‘US officials’ determine that a capture operation might pose ‘undue risk’ to US personnel, then assassinating them is okey-dokey. No muss, no fuss; no risk to our Special Forces or contract mercenaries, etc. Remember also that any male of ‘military age’ anywhere near other putative ‘bad guys’ can assassinated, but he can prove posthumously that he was ‘innocent’, his family might receive blood money from the military’s coffers.
The undated memo is entitled “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen who is a Senior Operational Leader of Al Qa’ida or An Associated Force.” It was provided to members of the Senate Intelligence and Judiciary committees in June by administration officials on the condition that it be kept confidential and not discussed publicly.
Whew. The members of the Senate Judiciary and Intelligence Committees had to remain silent; I’m sure they wanted to object (for the cameras, mebbe).
The white paper also includes a more extensive discussion of why targeted strikes against Americans does not violate constitutional protections afforded American citizens as well as a U.S. law that criminalizes the killing of U.S. nationals overseas. It also discusses why such targeted killings would not be a war crime or violate a U.S. executive order banning assassinations.
Read this heinous White Paper here and weep for our nation’s soul. Then get pissed and tell everyone you know about this. Organize, resist, and take care of one another.
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number ~
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you ~
Ye are many ~ they are few.
~ Percy Bysshe Shelley
You can also read at this morning’s Guardian: ‘CIA rendition: more than a quarter of countries ‘offered covert support’. Report finds at least 54 countries co-operated with global kidnap detention and torture operation mounted after 9/11 attacks.’ (by the Open Society Justice Initiative (OSJI), a New York-based human rights organization)




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Let’s face it, our President acts like a bloodthirsty kid-killer.
As do so many in his administration. It’s hard to look away from so many of those sentences in the memo, normanb.
This is a so transparent “limited hangout” to try to shut up Ron Wyden, who wants to see the actual memos. And Kevin Gosztola is right to ask why Michael Isikoff is not all of a sudden sharing a cell with Bradley Manning.
This is not going to be swept under the carpet. There are at least 11 Senators who feel their prerogatives for oversight (and their power) are at stake.
What is all so very interesting is the silence of those who yammer the most about the “Kenyan muslim socialist”.
About the three-part test. There is a carve-out for Pakistan. And if you apply the three-part test to the assassination of al-Awlaki the elder, that act does not pass the test.
Yes indeed.
Exactly the right response. And start demythologizing the magic of “imminent threat”. No attack in history has not been anticipated. Or had the possibility of being defused by political means. Wars, and attacks, are instruments of politics. To prevent wars, fix the politics.
Thanks wendydavis, this is why I’m here– we’re turning fascist… like watching a friend self-destruct– only with scarier consequences.
“The paper lays out a three-part test for making the targeted assassinations of American lawful. The capture of the suspect must be ‘infeasible’, *and* the strike must be conducted ‘according to the law of war principles’.”
So, we simply leap over the question of the assassination of people in general, and go to that segment of the human race that we really, really care about – us. Taking for granted that as we have been indoctrinated into thinking, us is the only thing that matters, and by focussing on us everything else becomes logically thinkable.
NOT!
We have not been, and never will be, indoctrinated into thinking that the only members of the human race we care about are us! Such thinking proves that we are the LEAST worthy members of the human race!
Now I understand the symbolic significance of the discovery of the bones of Richard the Third, whom the BBC is trying very hard to tell us was, like Obama, a Very Good King.
“This is not going to be swept under the carpet. There are at least 11 Senators who feel their prerogatives for oversight (and their power) are at stake.”
Are you serious ?….we live under in a corporatocracy.Almost all of our congress people works for corporations.
I would be happy if something comes of it but it’s most likely that nothing will be done…
Assassination is now a form of “justice.” Recently top administration officials, Clinton etc., have been bragging that they “have brought bin Laden to justice.” Various folks in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Yemen are being “brought to justice,” and this includes at least two Americans, Awlaki and son in Yemen.
One of Obama’s first acts four years ago was to prohibit the CIA from detaining and torturing “suspected terrorists.” In return the CIA was allowed to assassinate “suspected terrorists” including Americans. This DOJ white paper is a part of that new policy. The government lawyers are now authorizing assassination in a similar way to their past authorization of torture.
Government lawyers do what they’re told to do, or they don’t remain government lawyers. It has nothing to do with law or the Constitution.
Yes, and thank you for the extra info, THD. I saw that DSWright had it up by the time I’d gotten this pasted in earlier, and reckoned I should press Publish anyhoo. As many eyes as can see it…must.
How many synonyms for ‘depraved’ are there?
emptywheel has an interesting tweet:
If you ever wondered why the framers INSISTED that congress issue a declaration of war. Individual congress people would have to face the voters as to whether the war was needed and achieving it’s ends. I don’t think they ever envisioned this globe trotting murder machine either just a defensive force to be called up when needed and the need to know who to shot i.e. declaration of war. It would lay out the grievance and remedy, a discernible beginning and end.
This “war” isn’t constitutionally lawful and you can’t amend the constitution with any act which the lying congress claims is AUMF is a declaration of war, which it’s not.
“One of Obama’s first acts four years ago was to prohibit the CIA from detaining and torturing “suspected terrorists.”
This is fluff put out to make Obama look good.But folks are still being tortured in Yemen and Sudan…Like everything Obama does or says take it with 10 lbs of salt…If GWBUSH lied as soon as he said a single word,Obama lies as soon as he makes an effort to open his mouth.
Panetta was just saying that torture led to Bin Laden….validating torture.
Eyeballs and ears smoking, Scrabbleddie. We knew, but reading the sentences…goddam him…and the others.
Yes, I was about to speak to that. From the Times ‘poor Obomba’ May piece, some illumination on the ‘no torture/no detentions for same’ memo:
“The day before the executive orders were issued, the C.I.A.’s top lawyer, John A. Rizzo, had called the White House in a panic. The order prohibited the agency from operating detention facilities, closing once and for all the secret overseas “black sites” where interrogators had brutalized terrorist suspects.
“The way this is written, you are going to take us out of the rendition business,” Mr. Rizzo told Gregory B. Craig, Mr. Obama’s White House counsel, referring to the much-criticized practice of grabbing a terrorist suspect abroad and delivering him to another country for interrogation or trial. The problem, Mr. Rizzo explained, was that the C.I.A. sometimes held such suspects for a day or two while awaiting a flight. The order appeared to outlaw that.
Mr. Craig assured him that the new president had no intention of ending rendition — only its abuse, which could lead to American complicity in torture abroad. So a new definition of “detention facility” was inserted, excluding places used to hold people “on a short-term, transitory basis.” Problem solved — and no messy public explanation damped Mr. Obama’s celebration.
“Pragmatism over ideology,” his campaign national security team had advised in a memo in March 2008. It was counsel that only reinforced the president’s instincts.”
Don’t let him get away with the pretense! Wing it abroad and aloft! What calumny!
It’s Tuesday folks
wonder how many teenage brown skinned kids
Obama plans on murdering today.
Doesn’t the mafia have a “Made Man” or something after your first kill.
Wasn’t that when he gave the orders to assassinate the three “pirates’ whom we had in our care, custody and control. Remember they were attached to the Navy ship by a rope and being pulled closer , kinda like fish in a barrel or over a barrel ?
That test was very early into his term and he blew them away as if his finger was on that trigger.
Well done, juliania, and add in that those brave undaunted Marines and Special Forces might get hurt capturing some suspect, oy, what hypocrisy. Why do we think they killed bin Laden instead? So they could capture his porn stash to show the world?
Damn, I don’t think I want to see how polling questions on this are framed…nor the results.
(I did link to my Terror Tuesday diary in the OP.) On this day I usually bake and cook and give away food to dishonor the day. Today’s Mr. wendydavis’s birthday, so I’ll only bake a pie for him. Oy.
With all this droning going on that’s probably just another lie only updating the kill list on Tuesday afternoon. This is like our old draft law in reverse for those on the receiving end of Justice coming your way.
Obama prohibited the CIA from detention (by executive order) and torture, but as you indicate the CIA does what it does. Probably much of what the CIA does operationally is illegal, including its involvement in drugs.
The point remains: Officially assassination replaced detention & torture.
Panetta is a fool. He’s set a record for verbal gaffs. Quoting Panetta is a joke.
Thanks WD..somehow the image of this creep,Obama.as decent,honest & honorable still pervades…this guy is a creep of the highest order.He has no problems dropping bombs on innocent little kids.
Public response is part of keeping the issue alive.
About the 11 Senators, we will see. But based on a sample of my friends and neighbors, the public is not pleased when they find out the details of this white paper. And public awareness is what is driving those Senators who are concerned. The test will be whether they use the Hagel nomination as a lever to pry out the actual DOJ memos instead of a sanitized white paper.
It’s all to easy to paralyze yourself by reifying the notion of the corporatocracy. In this case, there is not going to be easy alignment of interests between the executive, particular Senators, and the Wall Street players in foreign policy. These actions are driven by the institutional interests of the DoD and CIA, not the institutional interests of corporations.
If the Prez wants to stoop torture he can do it.
“The point remains: Officially assassination replaced detention & torture.”
Maybe…..But I don’t buy anything our Govt says.
Iraq had WMDs and was 45 minutes away from a launch.
Yoo, Koh…yes, they are simply craven minions serving their Masters.
But I curse them as well.
My FB post about this to my wide range of friends:
Happy birthday to Mr. wendydavis!
I shall continue on my Richard III theme, as for me it was the height of impertinence for the BBC to question Shakespeare’s depiction. Surely, indeed, lameness is not something to villify, but the manner of Richard’s reign and how he dealt with his infirmity must have been generally whispered and known very much as Shakespeare depicts, or he could not have even written the play – the people knew the story, surely.
That incapacity to love peace when the throne’s not his at the beginning of the play – that’s what we have longtimelived endured, and have now. Here’s what the scrivener has to say,(and we with him) partway through, after the division Richard has devised brings on murder:
“Here’s a good world the while! Why, who’s so gross
That cannot see this palpable device?
Yet who so bold but says he sees it not?
Bad is the world; and all will come to naught
When such ill dealing must be seen in thought.”
And here’s, earlier, Richard’s dissembling comment:
“What, think you we are Turks or infidels?
Or that we would, against the forms of law,
Proceed thus rashly in the villain’s death,
But that the extreme peril of the case,
The peace of England and our persons’ safety,
Enforced us to this execution?”
And so we writ a White Paper to this effect.
Yes, they only defend the Second Amendment ~ oh, and Freedom of their speech. All the rest? Pffft. They have no need, they think.
This and the newly released report on torture. Yes, we knew. We knew about this and so many other things and we see the lies that are entrenched with our leaders and legislaters. How innocent we were. How the knowing in spite of the lies burned. How the knowing that we knew burns now with a steady flame. I do hope something happens soon. I do feel that one day perhaps far away, all this will be understood.
Query: At what precise point should the Germans have actively resisted the Nazi machine, or, failing to do that, have forever lost any reasonable claim to a lack of intentional and knowing moral culpability? It seems to me that that is the direct challenge right now for any who chose to vote for Obama and the Dems again last year, while actively ridiculing and attacking any who insisted that something different must be tried, even voting third party. Pressure for change needs to increase if we are to be saved from perpetual total fascism, and that pressure can not come from the less than 1% who voted third party, for they have already showed their awareness and commitment, rather it must come from those who acted like “compradors” and blindly voted for their Dem team. Now the fascism is right out in the open, not to be denied in any credible way. So, are there any readers who voted Dem, voted Obama, who now have the integrity to admit they were wrong to do so, and declare that they have now learned that they must resist the real enemy, even if that enemy hides behind a D label? That is where the numbers are, and if we don’t see a wave of those people coming forward to renounce their own voting choices, even in the face of this new and irrefutable evidence of what Obama has wrought, then we are truly lost. Recommended, with aa heavy heart.
Excellent comparison, juliania. I’d see the bones discovery at the Guardian, and hadn’t even clicked in.
‘Yet who so bold but says he sees it not?’
…seems to be a part of what notofascism asks below (sorry; I always scroll to bottom when I come back to posts; bad habit).
Thank you. In this case, our safety isn’t considered, just the profits and control of our Empire’s goals. What have we become? Again:
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number ~
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you ~
Ye are many ~ they are few.
~ Percy Bysshe Shelley
(back to da peachy-pie)
maybe Panetta is a joke…but isn’t your juvenile fantasy of the POTUS,Barack Hussein Obama outlawed torture but some pesky bigots at the CIA are the ones still doing it a bigger joke ?
But moreover,if Panetta is such a joke,wasn’t it Obama who nominated him to the position where he can’t speak about torture…Seems to me donbacon that Obama is the joke ? No ?
Isn’t it incredible what people will do to polish the image of the murder-in-chief ?
He outlawed it but it’s those lesser creeps that are still doing it.
Wow!
Blame the DoD and CIA but not all the interconnected elements our lobbyist government? There’s a corporate MIC, corporate lobbyists, and corporate media playing a critical supporting roll in neocolonialism. Don’t tell me you’re a corporatocracy denier.
Your comment pings two things for me, reader. One is that while reading for my AFRICOM post from yesterday, I came upon an article that told of an insider who’d told the author that there are indeed many Dark Prisons in Africa, but he couldn’t name the Deep Throat, and wouldn’t give the ocations since there was no corroborating evidence…yet. Where is Sy Hersh? Oh, that’s right: they smeared him as crazy so his reputation would be tarnished forevermore.
Remember when he told an audience that soldiers in Afghanistan had spoken to him of battefield executions? He never published it, or no one would publish it, but now we know that wasn’t the half of it.
Knowing: On that AFRICOM thread, our friend shootthatarrow poignantly spoke to the fact that he hadn’t been naive for a long, long time. As I am still naive about some of our nation’s leaders committing heinous crimes in the past, although I’m catching up, partially due do reading foia docs and ‘found’ paperwork (like the underpinnings of the ‘October Surprise’. Perfidy writ large, as were so many other hidden-to-the-public events.
Even as my knowledge grew, I *still* managed primary campaigns for some seemingly good Democrats…who never made it once the DSCC and DCCCfunded the corporate candidates.
So… there’s knowing, suspecting, and…knowing what’s in plain sight that so many still refuse to see cuz it doesn’t fit with their tribal allegiances. And that’s seriously hard to witness, as all are the lies.
Hang in there, reader. We’ll bring The Light, and then…? ;o)
LBJ set the precedent with the war against Vietnam. I remember that at the time I wasn’t sure whether we should go to war or not, I simply didn’t know what was going on. What I did know is that the President on his owm say-so was taking the nation into war with no Congressional input, the Tonkin Gulf Resolution notwithstanding. For several years my opposition to the war was mainly on Constitutional grounds. It all seems so quaint now.
This is a non-issue, from what I read about it at the pragprog balloonemo sites. Or will read about it if they ever decide to weigh in on the matter. My question is, who is forcing our gentle and wise President Obama to let his twisted, bloodthirsty Commander in Chief kill women, children and other innocent civilians based only on his depraved personal whims? That CiC dude should be replaced asap, Mr. President. You’re being way too nice to these people who are disrespectfully pushing you around. But it’s probally all my fault for not understanding your chess moves, and you GOT this, so never mind.
They are timely and important questions, notofascism. Sheldon Wolin calls what we’re living with ‘inverted totalitarianism‘ and that every citizen is a silent enlistee in its cause. Yes, and MLK said, the day we remain silent while we know what’s afoot, we begin to die.
Now I imagine your questions aren’t rhetorical, so you must want any of us who voted for Obomba to say so, and that we know enough to know to start raising all sorts of hell until we can have an actual participatory Democracy (big D)? If so, I’ll gladly say that I voted for Stein and Honkala, and am proud of it.
What will historians make of these days? Will they liken our relative complicit silence to the silent Germans? I guess it depends who wins in the end, as the history belongs to the Victors. Will we end up being Gitmo-ed for screaming out loud against this regime? God, I hope not; I’d sure prefer to be dead. (wry half-smile)
When the light of the world itself has gone dark, internal emigration is most alluring.
If you read the book on Ambassador Dodd’s tenure in Berlin (1933-38), you will find that there was no time past the Spring of 1933 when the general public could have resisted. The Nazi’s started rounding up labour leaders, socialists, and communists from the get go, and the SS were pulling people off the street (including Americans) and beating them up. The only possible effective focus of resistance was the army, and it was very conservative. Hitler made sure there would be no resistance from the High Command by humiliating and removing the head of the army and the General Staff.
In this respect (though not others) Hitler’s Germany is not a good analogy to what is going on in the United States. The Late Roman Republic is a possible comparison, but the institutions ate so different it seems pointless to try. I think we are witnessing something that is essentially new, and quitessentially American.
And yet there it was in the New York Times, but seriously, we can’t read everything. We all have our niches for writing and staying current, and there are a hell of a lot of sources online and some that aren’t all that reliable. But when I read the emails from the White House, I’m frequently…sick at heart with the palaver they get away with.
Reading at Black Agenda Report allows me to see that Obomba’s base may be the last folks who join the revolution, and it’s kinda depressing.
As you were posting your response to notofascism, I was looking for this, which sums up my reaction to your post. I’ll see you in Gitmo.
And in keeping with that theme, this is the sound of the compradors notofascism asked to step up and take some responsibility for their Commander in Chief.
Hell, see Praise Tboww! on the front page…
IMO, there’s no need to be overly anal about the analogy. Resistance, even of the guerilla type, is ALWAYS possible. The Germans were too scared and/or indifferent to risk themselves, just as is the case with most Americans now. I would say the Occupy people showed that the threat of militaristic reprisals from the government is already on the table here, as it was in Germany post-1933. The essential question is both instances is the same-how far down the path of moral turpitude are we, individually and as a People, willing to be dragged before we actively resist? The future belongs to the most determined.
Three words. Tien an Men. I was in China the day it happened.
Yes, it’s remarkable, if not surprising, that some of the names that were so prolific in their pro-Obama postings before are now, apparently, all cowering silently in their closets nursing their purely self-centered LBGT and women’s issues, isn’t it? Wake up, you guys, it’s about more than your groins and what you can do with them. How much groin-freedom do you really have when you have no actual life-freedom? (Forgive my crude directness, but it’s always been hard to get a mule’s attention.)
Given your comment, I just googled it, and hey: endtimesbibleprophecy.com has it. But it’ll be interesting to watch; there weren’t any mentions of it at the conventional sites. Wonder if I deleted the word ‘Americans’ if I’d get any more hits? (arrggh: mebbe)
We might ask how he can kiss his kids at night as well, but he insists that he alone used to choose the ‘signature strike‘ targets in Yemen and Somalia (the other guys choose the other two thirds) because he wants the moral responsibility to be his own, so says that NYT piece.
And our friend Tboww! reckons that the outraged comments to this ‘needs moar WAKE UP SHEEPLE!‘ Nice to see him on the front page so often; guess it’s a Big Tent… Bah!
Those interconnect elements do not always agree on a particular issue. And this is driven from the national security interest in increasing their bureaucratic and technocratic power. Some of the other players might start looking over their shoulders if they thought for half a minute. Oh, the corporatocracy is definitely influential, but sometimes they cannot agree how they want that influence to play out. This could be one of those times; we will have to wait and see. (But not passively.)
Howdy, Seamus Bóithre; welcome. I don’t think I remember your name (but I’m hell on screen names, and I don’t read at the front page much). But welcome.
Would you explain what ‘internal emmigration’ is? Prolly not sticking our heads up our asses, or high colonics or something, I’d guess. Flee to Canukistan? They wouldn’t even let us into their country in 1973, so… Costa Rica maybe, but damn, we’re too old to leave now, and have too much family to abandon now.
Zounds, knut.
Offering a massed target may not be the smartest way to go, Knut, but every people’s resistance that used guerilla tactics that I know of has worked, eventually. Even in the past few years, see Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. The point now is not to debate possible tactics, but rather to focus our determination, if we have any. As in, live for nothing, or die for something. For those who expect to have a long future ahead of them, it’s a matter of self-interest, isn’t it? Right after we figure out why the power failed at the Super Bowl, of course.
Great sound effects, dear Firecracker. I’ll admit to just stone.cold.fury.and.deep.burning.inside. Steam, not even smoke, I reckon. I’m hearin’ this, myself.
ouch!
Some of the other players?
Some points are exaggerated in this piece, I hope, but it mentions some of the other players.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/01/31/in-amerika-law-no-longer-exists-the-extermination-of-truth/
s/b “Injustice Department … ‘Illegal Case’”.
Thanks for posting this, Wendy. I’ve been troubled by the Blackhawk commando training exercise they did in downtown Miami recently. This memo feels so “hand-in-glove” with strafing Miami streets from military helicopters.
Rachel Maddow did a good job with her report,imo.
“internal emigration”—I love it! What is the half-life of a fruitfly?
Great link, Scrabbleddie. It’s so strange to see someone of Paul Craig Roberts’ stature use the term Amerika. We’re all enemies of the State now!
Or: ‘Department of Two-Tiered Justice’ and ‘Heh, heh Legal Case’; we could go on all day, no, normanb?
Goddam.
Especially for the former Asst. Dept. of the Treasury…under Reagan. But yes, Counterpunch carries his columns now. He tells some truth now.
Welcome, openhope. How grim, how portentous. We know from the foia’ed FBI files that they were scared of OWS resistance. I’m hoping against hope that Idle No More (slowed a bit for now), OWS and uncaptured and breakaway labor movement smight join forces to resist come Spring, and put the hammer down.
Haven’t watched Maddow since she dissed Julian Assange publicly long ago; glad to hear she’s reporting something worthwhile. ;o)
I read internal emigration as a turning away from the world, turning inward. I.e. Start reading Deepak Chopra instead of the Guardian. Deciding politics is “uninteresting” and using “spirituality” to spackle over any cracks in your conscience…
You offend me, Obi-wan! I’m a major fan of DeepPockets, I’ll have you know. And I know that you know he was The One who convinced me to give up the NYT for my ouija board! And I’ve been doing bucketsful of videos to heal my pineal gland…aaaaaaahhhhhhhooooooohhhhhmmmmm…</em
Okay, that part's true, on accountta brain cases r us and all. Hope to hear about your new endeavors one day. Q sends his love.
Consciences? What are they, Obi-wan? What we plea once we're Inside…and hoping for parole? May The Force be with you…and especially…us.
Added, cuz I’m gonna try to get ten winks, a song from your youth. ;oP Correction: Tis I who be in herslf’s dotage, lol, not thee.
And here I thought “internal emigration” meant progressives taking over Mississippi like in 1965.
Ha! Ok then, replace “deepak chopra” with “dreams of my father” in that sentence. ;0)
Any nombrilistic self-fictionalization parading as elevated philosophy will do. Oops I did it again, didn’t I… ;0P
Q?! Whats that man up to? He shows up in my twitter feed every now and then. He’s either developed some really sophisticated encryption, or speaking in tongues, or is purely interested in Leaf arcana these days! Tell him to start dropping some more of those pearls of wisdom on us once in a while…
Not sure what the fuss is.
Obama prefers 3-pointers rather than drive for the basket – cool reservedness easier than sweating the little stuff.
And he always feints left but drives right.
Path of least resistance, and if someone clears the lane for him, is it his fault?
It is only when imminence is no longer imminence to anything other than itself that we can speak of a plan of imminence. -Obama’s gone all french philosopher nincompoop
thats the fuss…
Just as a flashback, this whole issue first arose as a result of the Fort Hood mass killings. A muslim Army psychiatrist who had been treat PTSD cases at Walter Reed is reassigned to Fort Hood, and for whatever reasons opens fire on US soldiers. Would be very interesting to know what he learned about US practices in Iraq from the soldiers he was treating for PTSD.
He happened to go to al-Awlaki’s mosque in NoVA and after his rampage al-Awlaki from Yemen published a blog post lauding the action.
The putatively, the Undiebomber confessed that he was sent to the US by al-Awlaki, but that confession, being obtained in interrogation is somewhat suspect.
That is the known public evidence of the “imminent threat” that al-Awlaki posed to people in the US. But if you add threats to “US interests”, then there is a lot of Yemeni politics that gets added. And if you expand the notion to potential threat, you can create all sorts of hypotheticals. So what really turned the decision? The US public is not allowed to know.
Create a convincing story about how X is related to al Qua’ida and you can get rid of them. Isn’t that convenient?
Eight b-j topics as of 2:30pm Pacific, none about “President Kill Again.” (Note: outraged Praise TBoww! blog post title from 2006. Times do change, don’t they?)
I think one question is whether Obama himself thinks he is acting in accordance with the law as it stands. And one indication would be whether he’d be happy with any other administration following the same OLC guidelines. The mad scramble to restrict the relevant interpretation of the law in case of an incoming Romney administration shows pretty clearly that he thought his interpretation of the law would be too permissive in the wrong hands.
Well, Christ in a rowboat, Pug; I’ve been tryin’ to get you two together for half of forever or longer. ;D Whassa a twitter feed? Where ya put out seed for the wing-ed ones?
But ach; he’s been abjuri’ writing at blogs for more serious writing (about time, too; the man’s got some major game). And unless mine eyes deceive me, Des is on the boards! Old home week, looks like. Sweeeeet.
(Just woke up, had goofy dreams; lemme drink java n wake up.)
Thank you , Seamus Bóithre; I’d even googled and only found a wild page about Sicily. So Obey was half-right the first time?
(If someone has something erudite to say, please do…as I can’t.)
Well where do we find this “serious writing” of which you speak. is it going to involve paper and bindings and a year long editing process then an annoying wait while my amazon pre-order gets filled?
Man, I don’t have that kind of time anymore.
Nor the attention span… ;0P
That’s my sense too.
Yikes, Des. A home-run. When the leather-bound Dreams of My Father is published ($59.99, with raised bands, gold leaf edges) I hope they ask you to write the new Forward.
Plus you helped us see that it’s just his nature, not his fault at all. But could you work ‘eleven-dimensional chess’ into the prose?
(Nice to see you; did you really leave that other accursed place?)
Is that a Tweet? Could you add some characters to it so I can understand better, Mr. Cryptic? (Of course, THD’s timeline is long, and I can’t remember my way through it, so…it’s a 50/50 gamble…) But I assure you I love Tboww! gossip.
Yeah, he got in the White House and went all Nihilistic on…them other folks: fer real! And you made me remember Frenchie at dagblog, lol.
But wot? Nothing on the Lavigne video? Phooey.
Many Obama/Democrat supporters wouldn’t want to know that they have an imperial, omnipotent, neocon presidency, so corporate/gov/media will soften the blow. Fox “News” seems to be playing it down. Racist authoritarians of all stripes won’t know what the fuss is about.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/05/senators-threaten-confrontation-with-obama-nominees-over-drone-concerns/?cmpid=cmty_plus_fn
Aloha, wendy…! I was astounded by Touré today, with Jay Carney calling the killing of American citizens without due process “legal, ethical, and wise”…
What happened to the Touré of 7 weeks ago…
*gah*
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/toure-and-msnbc-contributor-jimmy-williams-in-heated-fight-over-morality-of-torture-in-war-on-terror/
Bugger, scrabbleddie; I made it through to the end (cross-eyed, admittedly) but there weren’t any comments. That would have been informative, eh? Feinstein wasn’t one of the Senators who signed ‘the letter’. Oh.
Which of you will watch those hearings? I’d rather stick icepicks in mine eyes.
Reckon how you’d arrange to pay a “government lawyer” enough to get him to come up with this shit? I can’t picture anybody doing it for under $250,000.00/An. I think the phrase goes: a lawyer will do anything for money, but not for any small amount of money.
MSNBC makes my computer hang, so I’ll take your word for it. I confess, when he used to on Ratigan, all his peeps were idiots I’d reckoned. If he said something with a moral compass evident in the past, that’s good. What happened since I couldn’t possible say.
‘Legal, ethical and wise’. It’s none of the three; they know drone killings and night raids create more enemies, so we have to conclude…that they WANT more enemies. A blurry ‘War on Terror’ being permanent, and a Prez who says it will take a generation to ‘subdue them’ or whatever he said to the NY Times…it’s like the Empire Killing Machine, Weapons Dealers and contract mercenary/rebuilding folks (hearts and minds) are so twined it all has a life of its own, and Obomba is only the current Captain of the Ship…that will sink one day. It can’t go on, really, just as the financial sector will crash again.
Wow. I don’t which was more surprising. Toure or everyone else. Like seeing folks waking up and rubbing their eyes.
What has FoxNews been doing on this?
LOL! I got to the page (but it hung), and could see ‘Radio host suggests steak and oral sex for Valentine’s Day’…but that prolly wasn’t what you meant. There might be a metaphor with all this in there come to think of it, but Des’d be the one to dig it out.
I did see a bit of a headline that said the fight was with Jimmy Williams over ‘Zero Dark Thirty’. Sorry, and mahalo for the try, Tuttle.
Contra Toure and Carney:
US Constitution Article 3, Section 3
For related info I go to Glenn Greenwald: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/05/obama-kill-list-doj-memo
Glenn’s the main reason the Guardian is on my Firefox drop-down menu; thanks. I hadn’t read it yet (jammed day).
That Mediaite link was for the 7 weeks ago Touré…! Sorry that the MSNBC link didn’t work…!
*heh* I found myself agreeing with Sippy Cupp, for the first time evah…! ;-)
Isn’t ti a strange world we live in – Allende is killed, and the usual suspects trot out the “fact” that he had a stash of porno, and a copy of Mein Kampf” in his office on the day he died. Years later, the same type of suspects supposedly kill Bin Laden – and again, in his office, he has a stash of porno, and a copy of “Mein Kampf.”
Are you saying the government-issue CIA-Seal assassination kit includes porno and a copy of Mein Kampf? And they haven’t updated the ruse?
Of course the reason these “suspects” must be assassinated, and can’t be afforded due process, is that the U.S. as with the poor souls in Gitmo has no proof that they’ve conducted a crime. That’s the category that Osama bin Laden fit into.
And since they haven’t committed a crime, the government lawyers have come up with the concept of ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States being a — crime? no. situation? what? — worthy of assassination. Thank you, government lawyers, which is why there are jokes about you.
From the Justice (or “Justice”) Department White Paper: “Targeting a member of an enemy force who poses an imminent threat of violent attack to the United States is not unlawful. It is a lawful act of national self defense.” Israel and the US have threatened Iran; there are warships off Iran’s coast. Does that mean it’s okay for Iran to target the Israel Prime Minister and the US president? No.
The National Security Strategy of the United States treats terrorism as a crime. “Legal Aspects of Countering Terrorism: The increased risk of terrorism necessitates a capacity to detain and interrogate suspected violent extremists, but that framework must align with our laws to be effective and sustainable. When we are able, we will prosecute terrorists in Federal courts or in reformed military commissions that are fair, legitimate, and effective.”
And in Obama’s foreword: “In all that we do, we will advocate for and advance the basic rights upon which our Nation was founded, and which peoples of every race and region have made their own.”
One of Obama’s first acts four years ago was to prohibit the CIA from detaining and torturing “suspected terrorists.” In return the CIA was allowed to assassinate “suspected terrorists” including Americans. This DOJ white paper is a part of that new policy. The government lawyers are now authorizing assassination in a similar way to their past authorization of torture.
We must be thankful that other governments don’t operate this way.
Ach, it’s my laptop. It’s not that old, but already it doesn’t have the capability to upgrade to…whatever IE, and I reckon its lameassitude has something to do with the hang/freezes. Irritating as all giddy-up. But: I’m seriously appreciative of the fact that we can pay our (contracted) internet bills, which to me means we’re pretty damned well off compared to a lot of folks.
Looks like others watched it, and were surprised, so good on you, Tuttle.
L-fucking-OL! Nice tag-teaming, elisemattu and THD; I love it to pieces.
Srsly, when I hit the ‘bin Laden’s porn’ article yesterday, I read the headline to Mr. wd and just went into laughing-meltdown mode. Ack! The evil! (Mr. wd snarked about porn stars in hajib, lol!)
Thank you wd … recommended … many good comments …
The institutional interests of the Pentagon and CIA.
…good point THD
I concur with this “x-ray” of the institutional politics involved.
Barack Obama(DLC) and Obama White Fun House Of Mirrors(DLC) having gamed the 2012 WH election calendar and predictably won due to likely UniParty script that had the Rs passing this time around to set up a so very likely Jeb Bush WH run in 2016? Now only two months after November 2012 elections is “telling”/ letting us “know” us what Obama WH had decided/has decided is “legal” regarding Obama WH policy,Pentagon and CIA KillZone ROE and the nature of the Drone Killer ROE. CIA has not been leashed and curbed by Obama WH and this leads to valid inquiry as to what might happen if a duly elected and so inclined POTUS did try to leash and curb the CIA at this point in 2013? Another 1963?
At this point in 2013 abstract and applied definition(s) of Rule of Law and what is legal or illegal has/have been sent thru the Pretzel Logic Factory so many times since 2000 the lines and points of what is legal,illegal,noncriminal and criminal USG,WH,Pentagon,CIA,NSA and DHS conduct,actions and ROE or ROKillZone have been made squishable and moldable on terms often kept hidden or given full shapeshifter status by the Siths who have brought this about. Hence we have two War Criminal POTUS who plainly are not facing legal peril of being in a jail for war crimes.
Pentagon and CIA? No one goes to jail for all the wretched conduct and malconduct since 2001.
No one goes to jail on Wall St. Rule of Law has seemingly become Rule By Divine Right most often in Bush and Obama WH regimes. Extreme claim? Who gets to decide who is killed seems to be very centered in the Oval Office and WH. Oh! But we elect these guys! It is fair to suggest the WH election calendar dates have become very gamed affairs to arrange what is going to be done or said / announced to game the election cycle and game WH agendas around. Can’t do anything now until 2016 can we? How convenient for Obama WH and whoever Obama WH is fronting for at Pentagon and CIA.
So where are the hundreds of USian Lawyers who are objecting and pushing back on all this hocus pocus LegalSchmeegle BS? Where?
What is Rule of Law in these United States? Where is Rule of Law if and when the Laws are ridddled with cutouts and insertions or as seen with Wall St. grifting and grifters since 2009 simply ignored/not used?
Legal as a concept seemingly now is a somewhere / nowhere / anywhere plaything being rewritten or reinterpreted or not interpreted to suit and please WH,Pentagon and CIA goals/desires. With proviso lurking in the mix that WashingtonDC and American Empire can do this but no one else around the planet can without American Empire permission or permit.Or consequences will likely ensue. As seen with/in so much of the creation / formation of post 9/11 GWOT policy and protocol definitions and implementations.
Since 2009 Barack Obama has plainly continued with or expanded on what Bush/Cheney were doing. The Pentagon and CIA have not been put on any leashes and plainly do not face any leashes being put on as long as Barack Obama is in the WH. At this point it seems the Pentagon and CIA are safely isolated from genuine political curbing due to decades long propaganda throws and how the massive MIC/Security/Imperial budgets and open ended funding streams have been integrated into how the politics of War,Security and Corporatism/Imperialism are and get done in WashingtonDC on Capitol Hill and WH and K Street.
Who can stop this? Who is going to stop this? The Killer Drone regime just told us who is not going to stop it.
Anyone care to test this Obama WH “line in the sand”?
As for Pentagon and CIA when do we ever see these two major political interests on any election ballot?
American Militarism and Empire Security since 1945 have left a long trail of evidence that tells a knowable story some six decades later.
What Pentagon / CIA have been doing / not doing since 1950 has led to this reveal now being peddled by Obama White Fun House as presented above by wd and several others as well here at FDL.
The markers are being placed and to ignore what led to this point in 2013 or may proceed from this point is the worst of ignorant politics.
535 Americans in WashingtonDC have a responsibility to be doing what needs to be done and doing it competently and with integrity. If they can not or will not or simply are incapable of doing so due to being too stupid,too corrupted or too willing to deny the obvious then this group of 535 USians needs to step down and another more competent group selected and installed.
Barack Obama,the Clintons and the George Bushes are one part of the problem.
U.S.Congress is the another part. It needs to be fixed.
Who is going to do the fixing?
This part. Enough more engaged,interested,educated and politically active American citizens who vote for change or march until change happens.
It may well be needful to not vote for the Clintons,the Obamas and the Bushes or the 535 in Congress. Be they Rs or Ds. Both. They work for us and we can fire them all by simply Not Letting Them Get Enough / Any Votes. Plainly saying No Confidence In You. Power Taken Away. Start Over.
Sooner. Better.
A little tidbit going around the tweets:
Sounds like Jeh Johnson-speak, no?
Mr. wd listened to NPR while he was driving home from work. Their report on this was ‘fair and balanced’ (heh). Ron Wyden was on and drove Mr. wd nutsy-fagin with his dissembling; he said all he could hope for was that Wyden would finally answer ONE question with an unequivocal ‘yes’ or ‘no’. Amy Goodman covered it, too. (Jameel Jaffer). Another segment covered the Open Society Justice Initiative report I linked to in the OP.
Does anyone know if these leaked ‘white paper’ memos have something to do with Anonymous’ hack of the Justice Department and their threat to release ‘armed warheads’ to various news outlets in retaliation for Aaron Schwartz’s suicide? Is there a remote possibility that these may be part of that? Or am I being too much of a conspiratist?
Wyden is the third senior Dem member of the Senate intelligence committee, after DiFi and Jay Rockefeller (who is retiring). He is likely to become chair of the committee at some point if the Dems retain control of Congress. There is stuff he can talk about and stuff he can’t if he wants that chairmanship. So he’s walking a fairly delicate line by even pushing for this information from the Department of Justice. I’m not surprise that he was equivocal. In this case, we have to see if he can shake the information loose.
I FB’d the link to the Open Justice Initiative report on torture and rendition to all my diverse (and I have some Tea Party types and DeMint Republican, and a whole lot of seven-day avoiders) list of friends. It’s a fascinating experiment to see what they will Like and what they will Share. And I try to pass on the factual stuff like the Open Justice Society report as not so much the polemics (unless they’re my WTF polemics).
I don’t know. The fact that this was leaked through Isikoff means it came from the administration. I’d not expect either the administration or the Anons to admit it at this point, if it were related. There were a total of nine “warheads” according to the publicity, one for each Supreme Court Justice.
The Aaron Schwartz memorial in DC drew some big names, including Elizabeth Warren and Darrell Issa. Your question is not unreasonable.
The WH attorneys’ work pre-dated the Anon threat by far, but who leaked it is up for grabs, though my guess would be the WH itself, given that they want it out before Brennan’s confirmation hearings start on Thursday.
As THD said, by all rights Isikoff should be bunkmates with Bradley Manning (bless his heart), but of course, it won’t get investigated cuz the fix will be in one way or another. The sole exception *might* be if partisan politics get involved and finger-pointing for theatric effect get going.
But I seriously like your idea. Do you know how to access what you’re looking for at Pastebin? I just looked on youtube and don’t see anything, but proves zip. Had they been involved, they may be doing the equivalent of the rancher wolf-kill Three-S acronym: Shoot, Shovel and Shut up.
But this wouldn’t be any bomb at all, imo. Just business, but it’s only my take, archibird. Crazy when all our paranoia turned out to be…not. Turned out we weren’t thinking just *how perfidious* the Masters would get. ;o)
good and interesting on the FB things.
But as to Wyden: sorry, when our civil liberties have been stolen to this extent, and assassination of foreign nationals guilty of nothing more than contrived and convenient suppositions, including the *incidental* murder of women and children, and what that means for this nation’s future: the man should step up and denounce it, and fuck his bid for chairmanship, imo. That’s the kind of parsing of ‘greater good’ calculations that so often have gotten us right where we are now.
(with all due respect, of course, lol.)
He doesn’t have to denounce it if he has the power to do something about it. The question is whether he has that power from the third seat on the oversight committee. We are not talking public politics here but within-the-Senate maneuvering. It’s a watch and see what happens moment. The tell is whether he can pull together enough Senators of both parties to threaten the Hagel nomination. He’s likely not a happy camper after Harry Reid screwed over the filibuster reform. What he does is more important right now than what he says publicly. Getting some authentic Congressional oversight going is the first step, and that means shaking loose the real documents and not the lawyers brief bullshit that Isikoff released. And the leverage that he has at the moment is the fact that the DOJ seems to be blowing off the Senate Intelligence Committee and then using them as their cover. Senators don’t like not to have power or at least the appearance of power. It’s office politics more than “greater good”. Having failed at filibuster reform, Wyden is under the gun to preserve his progressive image by delivering something.
So on this one, it’s wait and see. It’s going to be difficult to get 41 Senators to block Hagel, even as a bargaining chip. Wyden has 11 supposedly (but Durbin is one of the names and he’s the WH snitch). So he needs 31 more, with John McCain backpedaling on McCain’s Hagel hatred. He either gets the documents coughed up and a set of hearings with some toughness started or we are where we already are. If’n you’re feeling social, you could chat up Udall and Bennet’s staffs to see where they are on this issue. The trick is to get the DC office and get beyond the intern with spreadsheet to talk to their legislative staff who is their national security gofer. It’s a fun experimental to see if you can get through. If you actually figure out how to talk to the Senator himself, you get bonus points. It’s no different from probing a police line to see what direction you can move. An experiment that gives you helpful tactical information.
Dept of Justice drone strike white paper makes the whole world a battlefield as a way of sidestepping all framework of law
Cenk weighs in with Michael Shure, Ken Dilanian, and Juan Cole.
I do believe this story is getting legs.
You have far more faith in the system working than I, THD. I’ll yield, it’s time to sleep and watch a tape. ;o)
Arrow: tomorrow I’ll answer, even though you were speaking to THD. G’night all.
Story legs: check out youtube; lots of teevee and alt teevee coverage.
As I wrote over on EW’s post…
Tis a shame that we’re no longer signatories to the ICC, eh…?
The United Nations is to set up a dedicated investigations unit in Geneva early next year to examine the legality of drone attacks in cases where civilians are killed in so-called “targeted” counter-terrorism operations.
Lady Justice sure takes her sweet-ass time, eh…? ;-)
Hey wendydavis, would you do a post on that Paul Craig Roberts piece?
If what he says is true, then much of what we’ve talked about is off-the-mark and greatly censored. Just instigating.
Belatedly tonight I watched the Sunday Bill Moyers piece on drone warfare, some good points but very much blunted by misplaced devil’s advocacy being practised by the host and a lack of outrage on the part of both guests – however, in answer to your question, the lady guest (sorry, I did not catch names) made a strong point, maybe her strongest, that all of the list compiling and passing it on up the chain needed but did not have any underlying law structure of the sort Bush trotted out for his torture program.
So okay, maybe they didn’t watch the program ahead of time, but no doubt that sort of engagement was on offer as soon as the NYT piece went over like a lead balloon.
I’m sorry, Mr. Moyers, but you have lost it, and I used to be a fan.
[wendydavis, this is a great thread - I love 'internal emigration'. My thought was of a bohemian jewish young woman sent to a German concentration camp who wrote that even in her cell from the top of her head she felt her connection to the center of the universe, so she had all the space she needed. Brave woman.]
Has nothing to do with faith in the system at this point. It’s an experiment to see if the issue has the attention of anyone but Wyden and if they will play hardball to protect Senate oversight prerogatives. In the past, D and R Senators would be all over this oversight issue just because of the loss of institutional political power. It’s seeming like the Congress is a bunch of whipped kitties even on issues not directly related to their donors. If Udall or Bennet, who are not the most likely to act on something anyway, will sign on with Wyden, the “whipped kitties” hypothesis might not be as true. How shut is the door slammed on checks and balances?
I’m listening to the interview now, and then I’ll check out his comments on his website. My ‘faith in the system’ comment had more to do with whether or not Wyden’s full-throated denunciation of what he calls the ‘trust me’ pretense of legal justifications for these assassinations would gain more traction among the populace, meaning getting them riled enough to make a difference,rather than pulling his punches because wants a more influential gig on the committee with more influence.
He’s very difficult to understand at his best, and in this interview…even harder. But one chich I have right off the bat is his claim that Obomba has done some right things about torture (phooey), and when asked if all this could be compared to what Bush did concerning Yoo’s faux justifications for torture…he squeaked a bit. I’ll listen again, and read more.
I do assume you meant to reference Brennan’s confirmation, not Hegel’s above, but you might have meant what you said.
I’m trying to imagine how hearings might illuminate this, and it’s hard to imagine anything like truth emerging. Yeppers, you are way more rational about it all, my friend. Right now my hair is on fire and I ain’t likely gonna simmer down soon. ;o)
Nope, the votes are dicey for Hagel’s confirmation because of the Republican backlash. That’s where the political pressure can be applied. Brennan is a GOP fave; he’ll sail through.
The hearings I am talking about are investigative and oversight hearing that begin to bring out all of these “secret” legalistic arguments. When Krystal Ball gets the issue, you know that it will be easy for the public to get it as well but only if it’s laid out in hearings. That’s if the door is not already slammed shut. And I remember that the door seemed slammed shut on any investigation into the Watergate break-in until all of a sudden it wasn’t. That’s an observation, not a hope.
Here is a case study where people power succeeded in winning one important battle.
Fall of SOPA explained in 3 minutes
Please understand that I’m trying to hear you. But from where I sit, ‘transparency’ as per Wyden totally misses the mark (reading at his website on his 2011 proposed amendment to the Patriot Act). What I’d want him or anyone in his position to do is study the Constitutional Scholars who cite exactly why murdering any citizens is wholly unconstitutional, and must end now. And to explain exactly why all three descriptors of the ‘program’ is ‘legal, ethical, and wise’ in addition.
Point taken about Watergate, but it’s tough to extrapolate that to these times, but okay; we’ll see what pops. And I’ll try to save time today to call Udall and Bennett.
But reading Naomi Wolf this mornin’ on Scahill’s and Rowley’s new film further shows how far adrift we are as a nation. The Shadow Military really flips my socks off.
I’ll watch your video as I can, and thank you.
BTW, it occurs to me that if the CPD operated under the principles outlined in this white paper, I might not be writing this comment. Vague definitions, fabricated evidence, political motives.
It is now kinda personal.
I didn’t even know the US was ever a signatory to the ICC, Tuttle. Thank you.
Depends how much yer willin’ to pay, scrabbleddie. ;o)
Seriously, the piece didn’t seem full enough to write up (as in: it doesn’t sing to me), but you could sure do it. In the Toolbox at the top write, you click Write Post; there are plenty of directions, and most of us would help ya if you have questions. There are just so many things to write about, and I usually have several I’ve started, then set aside for something else. Additionally, I seem to be getting slower at all this. ;o)
A friend just sent me this Reuters piece, archiebird, and it definitely is an Anon affiliate. ;o)
Whoosh; yes, it would be, THD. But isn’t the vagueness of the Chicago terrorism law/s just what the Nato 3′s attorney are claiming and fighting? I haven’t kept up well enough, obviously.
Yep, right now they’re bring a constitutional challenge to dismiss the case. I believe the hearing in 2/15.
I disagree about O and torture, but I went hunting for info about his intended EO on cybersecurity, and this is all I could dig up. It’s based on a piece at Computer World, but it messed with my computer. Not my bailiwick, but it’s hard to imagine internet freedom advocates will like it.
Along the way I clipped this link to his nominee to head Interior, Sally Jewell. Endorsed by both the Sierra Club and Western Energy Alliance, lol! Knox News’s take on Ken Salazar doesn’t jibe with mine, however. ;o)
Agree on Moyers; it’s a damned shame, too.
Nice on the concentration camp woman’s endeavors; I’m glad that you understood what Seamus was saying. Embarrassing that I wasn’t able to, really.
But Richard III: here’s a video on the computer simulation of his face based on the underlying bone structure I ran into trying to find the original piece I’d seen on Obomba’s intended cyber security EO. ;o)
I simply would like to see point by point comments on both these coming hearings, as I think FDL could do an important service to the community – no way would it be Watergate, but we need to know who these charlatans are – obviously they are charlatans all because they toe the party line whichever one it is, and I count Udall and Wyden right in there with all the positionscramblers – so please, if anyone can live blog these, starting tomorrow – take for granted your readers are ninnies and fill in the important background details.
Not asking for much, am I?
Heh. Medea Benjamin offers 10 questions that John Brennan should be asked.
I’ll post it, but I’m listening to Scahill and Rowley on Amy’s. It’s hard to know how to compartmentalize the knowledge they bring, and Jeremy always has. Internal emigration, I reckon. Scorpio was up this morning, and that…helped. And I watched some earth films from the space station; it also helped, as did…‘Overview’ from the Planetary Collective at adbusters.org.
I’d guess Kevin will live blog the hearings, yes?
@THD: We will all hope and pray the case is dismissed.
Earth films from the space station? Sounds more like extra-terrestrial emigration to me. ;0)
‘Allo, Pug. How it you always come while I’m sleeping? It was nice, I mean the film. Do I sound more coherent, more copacetic?
Just for the sake of posterity, I’ll add this info a mega-outraged friend just sent me.
Feinstein Won’t Allow Anyone to Testify Against Brennan on Targeted Killings
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California), chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, will not allow anyone to testify against John Brennan’s nomination to head the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Brennan will be the only witness at tomorrow’s hearing.
In a letter to Feinstein, Ralph Nader and former Justice Department official Bruce Fein wrote that “experience teaches that the adversarial system is best calculated to discover the truth.”
“By refusing to entertain witnesses who would challenge Mr. Brennan’s nomination, you are impoverishing the public debate that should inform the confirmation process,” Nader and Fein wrote.
Fein said that he requested to testify “in person against the nomination because of Brennan’s notorious complicity in unconstitutional and criminal predator drone killings which combine prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner in a single person — the high water mark of tyranny in the view of the Constitution’s makers.”
“Brennan is unfit for office because he’s the brainchild behind unconstitutional and secret predator drone killings — both targeted and signature — in violation of due process,” Fein told Corporate Crime Reporter.
“What he’s doing is more egregious in the eyes of the law than the CIA assassination attempts revealed in Church hearings — Castro, Lumumba, Trujillo — that provoked an executive order prohibiting CIA assassinations,” Fein said.
“In secret organizations like the CIA, leaders unflaggingly devoted to the rule of law are urgently needed because customary checks and balances are at their low water mark. Brennan cannot be trusted to adhere to rule of law.”
Oh beautiful for spacious skies…for amber waves of drones…
Looky what the Brits are usin’ in Afghanistan, those brilliant devils! They’re fer real! Stocking Stuffers!